Best WR In The League!?!?!

[quote name='johnnyoski']I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.[/quote]

I agree with you. All I said is that his style conflicts with Randy's and is holding Randy's personal accomplishments back. Putting Culpepper with Moss is like Putting Phil Jackson with the Bad Boys Pistons of the 80's. Both are great, but their styles don't fit.
 
[quote name='" I would put Keyshawn Johnson becaue he gets a lot of TDs[/quote']

A lot of touchdowns, He has scored a total of 9 in the last 3+ seasons (that's including this year). How is that a lot of touchdowns?
 
While talent-wise Moss and Owens are at the top of the NFL receivers, when it comes to team stability they have some black marks. Both have caused turmoil in the past almost singlehandedly destroying the locker room camraderie of a team.

Marvin Harrison doesn't and has some incredible stats to boot. That's why I'd say he's the NFL's top receiver.

I am a big Steelers fan so I have to give some love to Hines Ward, he's in on every play and blocks like a fullback. Add that to his ability to catch the ball and he's my favorite receiver to watch.
 
[quote name='johnnyoski']I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.[/quote]

I have to agree with you accept for one stat.

70 fumbles in 60 games.

Other than that it's hard to argue against his performance. He's a very good QB.
 
actually they were talking about it last night (madden and the other announcer) that mcnabb rarely fumble's, i dont know about the other QB's though. Did anyone else catch them talking about the size of culpepper's hands, and because there so small he has a hard time holding on to it.?
 
I think the Vikings actually have a good recieve corp. We have Moss and Robinson as deep threats/ tall recievers for jumping and can play for possesion, Burleson I think will become a great #2 reciever to Moss, similar to Cris Carter when they played together. Nate has good hands and he's not a burner which Moss is so Burleson can play the possesion and Moss can go deep. Then you have Kelly Campbell who although is very small is a very good deep threat in small doses. And I have another good recieving group that no one has said yet, Seattle. They have Darrell Jackson, Koren Robinson, and I believe Bobby Engram.
 
Culpepper has 70 fumbles but only lost 28 of them.
McNabb and McNair have a similar amount of fumbles lost and Vick is on pace to have more than any of them.
 
Culpepper's fumbles are horrible, but that's cuz he has little carnival worker hands. Can't fault a guy for not developing a set of manpaws. He just has to work at protecting the ball and getting it out faster.
 
R. Moss, M. Harrison, T. Holt.

I've always used Santana Moss as my primary reciever in all games since his rookie season, and I really have no idea why. I'm not a 'Canes fan or a Jets fan, so it's really a mystery.
 
[quote name='johnnyoski']I don't see how anyone can bash Culpepper.
The guy had 5 TD passes in week one and moved the ball well last night until they got in the red zone.
Let's also not forget that they were playing against one of the better defenses last night and he rarely had enough time to hold the ball long enough for any kind of a deep pass.
If you don't want Culpepper I know Lions fans will gladly take him off your hands.[/quote]

Did you hear him singing Bridge Over Troubled Water last night? End of discussion.
 
Wow not a single person has mentioned Jimmy Smith. Ignoring last year when he had the drug issues, and problems with a new quarterback and coach... Jimmy Smith has been the most consistent and productive over the past 5 years. Remember those 3 seasons that the Jaguars were dominant? Jimmy Smith was a major factor in that.

Anyway right now I'd say Randy Moss is still #1, simply because he's so much more athletic than Owens. TO is so strong though, but look how far that's gotten David Boston.

As far as the future goes, look out for Roy Williams, he's gonna be a beast. He's looked great in these first 2 games. Could be the Lion's first decent receiver since Herman Moore (before his injuries).
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Remember those 3 seasons that the Jaguars were dominant? Jimmy Smith was a major factor in that.

[/quote]

They were really only dominant 1 year ('99) and got trounced in the conference finals that year by Tenessee. The 2 previous years they were good, but I wouldn't say they were dominant.

Jimmy Smith is good though!
 
Is there any debate at all? Randy Moss easily. The guy is a game changer, he forces defensive coordinators to alter their game plans to contain him with all kinds of crazy cover schemes and he still puts up pro bowl numbers and makes circus catches.
 
As great as TO is, I dont see him doing well in a bad system/on a bad team.

If he gets traded to say, the chargers and has drew brees throwing to him, hes gonna look awful, start complaining and mentally bench himself. I dont see that happening with guys like marvin or ward.

Marvin, tho, has a great qb in manning and they operate as a great tandem. Take him out of that system, and I am sure he will adapt well, but his greatness is inflated because his wagon is hitched to another star.

With ward, he puts in solid efforts game after game, regardless of how many balls are thrown to him, what his personal stats might be or who his qb. Of the great wide recievers listed, ward easily has had the most incosistent qb's throwing to him.

You can have all the talent in the world, but that doesnt mean your the "best" if youre out there half-assing it or bringing down teammates
 
[quote name='greendc27'][quote name='" I would put Keyshawn Johnson becaue he gets a lot of TDs[/quote']

A lot of touchdowns, He has scored a total of 9 in the last 3+ seasons (that's including this year). How is that a lot of touchdowns?[/quote]

I was joking about that. He thinks he is so Moss. That's why they make Bud commercials about him.
 
I like Chad Johnson as one of the best, especially considering his supporting cast and his age. Sure Owens, Harrison and Moss are all great WRs, but they've always had pretty decent QB's throwing the ball to them and another reciever or running back that can take the pressure off them if need be. Johnson seems to do well despite lacking those things. Plus Johnson pulls off some amazing catches from the jump balls that Palmer and Kitna have thrown his way. Harrison is very, very good too, but I think he's afraid to take a hit sometimes, which can cost them some valuable yards on occasion.

Best WR Core, 1 position through the slot position, I'd have to say Pttsburgh. Burress and Ward are both damn good, and Randle El has explosive speed and can get open just about anytime & anywhere from the slot, though he needs some hands work and more oppertunities. Oh yeah and a better QB.
 
For me it also comes down to Moss and T.O. I'm a Vikings fan so I'll go with Moss. Not only does he make defensive coordinators completely alter their game plans as you guys already mentioned, but he is an incredible decoy which really opens things up for the Vikings other recievers, and makes the Vikings offense even more lethal.
 
Harrison, TO and then Moss. A lot of good young ones coming up, Roy Williams-Lions-gonna be great. Rice is the best of all time.
 
Marvin Harrison all the way - - he's good in every area, including blocking and running his routes well even if he isn't Manning's target at the time. TO is a close second, and Moss gets third because of not trying hard enough to run his routes and fool the secondary if he isn't the go-to man on that down. I mean, Moss is awesome and all, but he's not the complete WR.
 
[quote name='chickenhawk'][quote name='Zenithian Legend']Remember those 3 seasons that the Jaguars were dominant? Jimmy Smith was a major factor in that.

[/quote]

They were really only dominant 1 year ('99) and got trounced in the conference finals that year by Tenessee. The 2 previous years they were good, but I wouldn't say they were dominant.

Jimmy Smith is good though![/quote]

Trounced is a bit strong a word... they were 14-2 that season, and kicked the shit outta everyone except Tennessee... that was a rough year for me to watch. The Jags only 3 losses were to the damn Titans.
 
[quote name='Othergods'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='pimpinc333'][quote name='dafoomie']Better to have 3-4 good recievers than one great one. A guy like Ty Law can take you out of the game.[/quote]

What team do u think has a lot of good WR. The only teams i can think of are the Cowboys(Johnson, Glenn, Bryant), Vikings( Moss, Burelson, Robinson), there are probably other teams I am missing because I just woke up. Keep the posts coming. Thanks again.[/quote]

Yeah, I'd agree that the Cowboys have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Also Jason Whitten and Dan Campbell are two beasts at tight end. Whitten is a Pro Bowler in the making. He showed up Winslow Sunday.[/quote]

Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.[/quote]

Actually, did you hear that he broke his jaw again Sunday? He said it wasn't as bad as the first time, but from what I've read, his jaw was really red and swollen.
 
I'd have to go with Eric Moulds of the Bills. Considering what he's been able to accomplish without a real quarterback behind him the last few years, it's scary to think what his numbers would have looked like on a real team.
 
[quote name='Othergods']
Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.[/quote]
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']
Actually, did you hear that he broke his jaw again Sunday? He said it wasn't as bad as the first time, but from what I've read, his jaw was really red and swollen.[/quote]

Yeah I read that. I hope is not as bad as last year, I need him to preform great this year since Julius Jones broke his shoulder.
 
[quote name='Othergods'][quote name='Othergods']
Yeah Jason Witten is awesome!!! He is a better TE than Winslow and Shockey and tougher than both put together. The way he played last season with a broken jaw really impressed me.[/quote]
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']
Actually, did you hear that he broke his jaw again Sunday? He said it wasn't as bad as the first time, but from what I've read, his jaw was really red and swollen.[/quote]

Yeah I read that. I hope is not as bad as last year, I need him to preform great this year since Julius Jones broke his shoulder.[/quote]

That's too bad about JuJo. But now I'm hoping Reshard Lee can step up and show that he's for real. If he does, then I think he could overtake Julius on the depth chart when Jones returns.
 
What a horrible week for injuries. And I thought these sudden flux of injuries only occured in Madden.

My vote's still for Harrison though.
 
[quote name='6hitman9']I'd have to go with Eric Moulds of the Bills. Considering what he's been able to accomplish without a real quarterback behind him the last few years, it's scary to think what his numbers would have looked like on a real team.[/quote]

Way too many fumbles and drops for him to be considered a top receiver. He is above average, but not elite.
Too his credit, it was the threat of Moulds that made P-Less Price a good receiver while he was in Buffalo. Look how bad that guy's struggling as a #1 in Atlanta.
 
[quote name='johnnyoski'][quote name='6hitman9']I'd have to go with Eric Moulds of the Bills. Considering what he's been able to accomplish without a real quarterback behind him the last few years, it's scary to think what his numbers would have looked like on a real team.[/quote]

Way too many fumbles and drops for him to be considered a top receiver. He is above average, but not elite.
Too his credit, it was the threat of Moulds that made P-Less Price a good receiver while he was in Buffalo. Look how bad that guy's struggling as a #1 in Atlanta.[/quote]

I think every reciever struggles to get catches when Vick is the quarterback. That's not to say Vick can't thorw or isn't a good weapon (or that Price is really that good), he just doesn't put it in the air as much as...well as any QB. i mean c'mon, rarely does he ever pass for more than 250 yds and even fewer times does he pass for over 18-20 completions, when he's healthy. In contrast, I think having the possible threat of Price when he was on the other side of Moulds is sometimes what allowed moulds to do as well as he did. Having a decent 1-2 WR combo helps out both players.
 
Why doesn't anyone ever ask who's the best offensive lineman in the league. They are way more important than WRs, IMHO. Of course they get dissed every which way, money, press, etc. They just sit in the trenches and take a beating every game, while the WR prances downfield and makes a couple of catches and gets all the publicity.
 
obviously TO caught that pass and was so talented and gracefull with it he made it seem it was a td on mon night. He won the battle with moss and my eagles will wreck shit with any team. like i said before everyone stop watching football if u arent an eagles fan cause all your teams suck. 129.4% QB rating for Mcnabb #1 in nfl. all your corny puss teams and players are done. eagles have dominated the nfc for 3 yrs but the philly sports curse of getting close and choking prevented them. this year wont be any different. i feel sorry for all you corny midwest west coast and ny fans. eagles are the best and TO will make u cry and kearse and westbrook and pinkston and chad lewis and brian dawkins................
 
I think it's because everyone forgets about the O-line, hell even the NFL doesn't offically keep stats on the OL positions.

IMO the best O-line has to play as a unit, one guy can't get it done, and this is represented in the performane of the offense. I'd have to say the best o-line playing right now is in KC. Guys like Willie Roaf, Jason Welbourn and Will Shields can just kill the effectiveness of just about any D-line.
 
[quote name='cag1000']. eagles have dominated the nfc for 3 yrs but the philly sports curse of getting close and choking prevented them. this year wont be any different.[/quote]

Ok. You said it yourself buddy.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']I think it's because everyone forgets about the O-line, hell even the NFL doesn't offically keep stats on the OL positions.

IMO the best O-line has to play as a unit, one guy can't get it done, and this is represented in the performane of the offense. I'd have to say the best o-line playing right now is in KC. Guys like Willie Roaf, Jason Welbourn and Will Shields can just kill the effectiveness of just about any D-line.[/quote]

Yeah you're right that the O-line has to work as a team, that's why football is the greatest sport, that teamwork. Kansas City's O-line is awesome, if only the defense had a clue they'd be dangerous.
 
I fall in the category of passive fan. I enjoy football and follow a few teams, and watch Sportscenter for the highlights but that's about it. I can't name the starting line-up for any team and pretty much am only aware of the "stars".

That being said, I think I fall pretty much in the mainstream. Why don't linemen (either side) get much attention? Because their position isn't glamorous. They do the same repetitive thing over and over again.

It's good work, don't get me wrong. Unappreciated, yes. Work harder than anybody else on the field, probably. But interesting? Not to me. When I think about what is glorious about football I'm flipping through images of Randy Moss pulling in a touchdown over 3 defenders, Keyshawn getting flipped 2 weeks ago against the Vikings, Vick or Daunte Hall (I know, totally different positions) running circles around the other team.

Even in the realm that linemen tend to do their jobs the people in other positions are more exciting. When is the last time you saw a 300-lb lineman lay a wicked blind-side block on an opposing player at full-speed? Almost never.

I know it's because I haven't played on the line and don't know the intracacies of the game, but to me watching the line is a lot like watching a bunch of fat people run into each other. Mildly amusing the first 100 times I see it but it gets a bit repetitive. Occasionally the redundancy is broken up when one of them gets their paws on the ball, or heaven help us all if one of them actually gets the ball and heads for the endzone, but 99.9% of the time they just push each other around out there.

It's a thankless job - under-rated, and hard as heck. But it's not exciting for this pseudo-fan to watch on a Sunday afternoon. And to me, it's hard to rate who is the "best" at pushing the other fat guys around out there. Usually it does seem to be the entire line that either does a really good job or a really poor job. To try to say "that guy's the best"...how?
 
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