BIOSHOCK - Gen. Discussion & Info

Alright...how long until the movie comes out for "Rapture"? Seriously, i don't think i've seen a better setting in a game for a movie translation. Follow the same story as the game (not strict, but not loose)...only question i can think of is CG or Live Action?
 
[quote name='mr ryles']the ending he described would have been so bad ass.


As Atlas lies defeated before Jack, you are given a minute to choose to kill him or save him while he utters the last words "Would you kindly save me?" Failing to choose and he dies. Choosing to let him to die carries out revenge fantasies for "the good guys." Choosing to save him means doing his bidding. Which choice you consider to be truly free will always be subjective. Here, I would turn off the game, and start playing this wonderful tale all over again.


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Eugh. No!
You have no reason to want to save Fontaine. He tried to kill you at least twice, claimed he would murder Tenenbaum and the Little Sisters. I mean, Fontaine's opportunism did not kill nearly as many people as Ryan's "For your own good" brand of tyranny, but Fontaine was still a bastard. To cast that as a "free will... or is it?" strikes me as just an intellectually weak attempt at shoving Randianism down our throats; something Bioshock miraculously avoided.

I am usually never convinced by these sorts of video game analysis...essisisi...sii?... While this one was better than most, it still really didn't touch on the focal point of the game's morality and the sole decider in the game's denouement; the Little Sisters. Maybe in an earlier draft, you might have been a slave to Tenenbaum as well, but Tenenbaum is the only person in Bioshock who deals straight with you... or at least LIVES long enough to do so. Her every action now is predicated on the plight of the Little Sisters she created. That's obvious. Considering how, depending on your outlook, the Little Sisters are either the only route you have to power, or the only compassion you may show, the analysis is flawed in not discussing their impact on the story. The author also touched on the Fontaine/Atlas dichotomy but didn't really catch it, only misattributing capitalism to Fontaine, while not really exploring the socialism/populism of Atlas. I hate to be a pedant, but I don't think you CAN analyze Bioshock without addressing that multi-faceted approach. Hell, if you listened to his logs, Ryan was all for free-market capitalism as well, claiming that he cannot regulate the ADAM market and saying that if his folks want to stop it, they should offer a better product.

How quickly all THAT changed.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']i think the movie would work if it was based right before the game starts, like Rapture in its prime.[/quote]

Yeah, i was thinking prequel that acts as a compliment to the game. People play the game then watch the movie to see Rapture go from thriving underwater Utopia to a chaotic underwater grave...or watch the movie and then people want to play the game ;)
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']Suggestion: Change the topic to "Bioshock - WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS OF VALUES HA HA HA HA"[/QUOTE]

I personally liked the ammo one.

"HOLA AMIGO! blah blah blah AMMO"

This thread is getting too advanced for me. And I think a movie using the game's plot would be retarded. They'd have to change a few things.

Genetically modifying a baby, implanting memories and commands into it's head, letting it live on the surface, then have it hijack a plane and crash it exactly where Rapture lies, then use it to do your bidding seems a bit much.
 
Just beat the game and I got to say THANK GOD I stayed away from all these spoilers and all the pod casts mentioning this game b/c it was sooo nice being suprised by some things in this game. It was just by chance that I got the full ending b/c I didnt know how to gun for it.

Anways good stuff and I hope there are more great games like this comming out this year. I am about 2min away from starting Metroid 3, I cant wait. I love all this FPS action we have going on atm.
 
can anyone tell me if
one of the little sisters dying at the end (during the escort mission) will affect the dont kill any lil sisters achievement?

^^^ endgame spoiler (sorta)
 
[quote name='elsnow77']can anyone tell me if
one of the little sisters dying at the end (during the escort mission) will affect the dont kill any lil sisters achievement?

^^^ endgame spoiler (sorta)[/QUOTE]
No.
 
A live action movie would only work if that guy that made batman begins made it. HE obviously knows what makes a good movie. They could have fun with it though. I would make it a blend of the Utopia Rapture and then crap Rapture.

My movie idea/spoilers

They could start it with the plane thing extended then when he crashes they could go to a flash back of Jack as a baby in Rapture. Build the story from there and then when he reaches proper age go back to the main story. Or they could start with him as a child build the story and then go to the plane begining. The only problem is that near the end when Fontain tells you he made you it may ruin it. The only other thing I could think of is during the random parts where jack has a flashback of pictures they could show childhood scenes
 
[quote name='slickkill77']A live action movie would only work if that guy that made batman begins made it. HE obviously knows what makes a good movie. They could have fun with it though. I would make it a blend of the Utopia Rapture and then crap Rapture.

My movie idea/spoilers

They could start it with the plane thing extended then when he crashes they could go to a flash back of Jack as a baby in Rapture. Build the story from there and then when he reaches proper age go back to the main story. Or they could start with him as a child build the story and then go to the plane begining. The only problem is that near the end when Fontain tells you he made you it may ruin it. The only other thing I could think of is during the random parts where jack has a flashback of pictures they could show childhood scenes[/quote]
I think the best route they could go for a movie would be a prequel to the games story. I like the idea of starting with the plane crash and then flash back to the early days. I would really love to see the 40's and 50's. The director/writers would have to do a good job of pacing the movie from when the city first 'opens' to the slow progression to chaos that we know as Rapture in the game...how about;

Opening - big ballroom with music, dancing, everybody is enjoying themselves, it is the Utopian city everyone had hoped for. Cut to family, father and mother arguing when all-of-a-sudden the mother cracks and takes a frying pan to the fathers head. Blood splatters on the wall as we see a shadow on the wall repeatedly pound the piss out of the fathers head, more and more blood splattering against the wall.

Cut again to a mob that is now terrorizing a a section of the city. Citizens still sane have blocked the mob from getting into that section any further. The mob grows, and the citizens holding the blockade(s) are frantically trying to figure out what to do. Zoom to a man in a corner a short distance away from the sane citizens, knees to his chin, arms covering his head. He stands up, pulls out a gun from coat pocket, points it at the crazed mob...then quickly points it at another man among the sane and pulls the trigger. Seconds later the mob breaks the blockade down, women scream, guns going off left and right.

Blood all over. Bodies are scattered on the floor(s). A few people are aimlessly wandering the halls, all is very quiet. This is where the movie introduces the main characters for this prequel; a man and woman, both desperately looking for loved ones - the man looking for his wife and daughter, the woman looking for her fiance. This prequel tells the story of these two characters, their journey through the city of Rapture, and ultimately their demise...all leading up to the plane crash.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']And I think a movie using the game's plot would be retarded. They'd have to change a few things.

Genetically modifying a baby, implanting memories and commands into it's head, letting it live on the surface, then have it hijack a plane and crash it exactly where Rapture lies, then use it to do your bidding seems a bit much.
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I tell you what I bet John Woo would love to do the Bioshock movie. I mean remember the inspiration for Hard-Boiled was a Japanese madman who went around killing babies.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Got a Live update for BioShock. Anyone know what it's for?[/QUOTE]
It appears to exist solely to cause constant stuttering a second long freees. My game ran flawlessly until I got it tonight. Not long after I hit Fort Frolic though, so perhaps the new area is to blame. Not sure why though, it doesn't seem significantly different. In any case, it's extremely aggravating.
 
[quote name='RollingSkull']Suggestion: Change the topic to "Bioshock - WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS OF VALUES HA HA HA HA"[/quote]

After the last week of hearing me playing every night, my wife was freaking out telling me she was hearing that in her dreams.
 
[quote name='Damian']It appears to exist solely to cause constant stuttering a second long freees. My game ran flawlessly until I got it tonight. Not long after I hit Fort Frolic though, so perhaps the new area is to blame. Not sure why though, it doesn't seem significantly different. In any case, it's extremely aggravating.[/QUOTE]

I am noticing the same thing after the update.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']watch midway on the vid... Bioshock on 103inch HDTV... >_<

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/100411.html[/QUOTE]

And this is why I tell everyone I know to get a projector :) They've gotten really cheap and they're absolutely out of this world awesome to game on.

edit: there was a point to this message.
After you beat the game once (I harvested all the Little Sisters, so I know I'm going to get the bad ending), can you re-play using your existing file (and so it'll maybe save the diaries you already picked up?) Or do you have to start afresh..
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[quote name='slickkill77']A live action movie would only work if that guy that made batman begins made it. HE obviously knows what makes a good movie. [/QUOTE]

Christopher Nolan is amazing. Batman is good but his reigning achievement is Memento. The Prestige is not far behind. I'd put Begins third on his list of films only topping Insomnia, which is also a good flick.

All in all, he hasn't made a bad movie yet. I could get behind him on Bioshock.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']And this is why I tell everyone I know to get a projector :) They've gotten really cheap and they're absolutely out of this world awesome to game on.

edit: there was a point to this message.
After you beat the game once (I harvested all the Little Sisters, so I know I'm going to get the bad ending), can you re-play using your existing file (and so it'll maybe save the diaries you already picked up?) Or do you have to start afresh..
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no
 
I finally played the demo last night... Holy...Crap.. That was the most intense 45 minutes of gameplay I've had in a long time. Wow. I NEED to get this game now!
 
After I played for a bit, I went back to get a diary list to make sure I picked them all up.

Of course I missed one of the two at the very beginning that you can only get right then. Bah.
 
I just got rick roll'd. It was fuckin hilarious.

So on topic: Bioshock or Metroid Prime 3??? Anybody....anybody...???
 
[quote name='pittpizza']I just got rick roll'd. It was fuckin hilarious.

So on topic: Bioshock or Metroid Prime 3??? Anybody....anybody...???[/quote]
bioshock. I have never been much of a fan of the prime series, the aiming always seemed wonky to me.
 
Possible Plasmids coming soon through DLC:

A forum member by the name of Zemlor has unearthed some good evidence of possible downloadable content, entitled Plasmid Pack 1, in the install files of the PC version. Examine a part of the code below:
;Downloadable content announcement
ManualTopicName=PlasmidPack1
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;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;Downloadable content announcement
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
[PlasmidPack1]
TopicType=Gene Tonics Unlocked!
FriendlyName=(Downloaded Content)
bHidden=true
Entry=\nNEW FROM RYAN INDUSTRIES!
Entry=\nHaving concluded clinical trials on four new Genetic Improvements, Ryan Industries is proud to announce the general release of their newest products:
Entry=\nMachine Buster
Entry=Vending Expert
Entry=Sonic Boom
Entry=EVE Saver
Entry=\nLook for them at a Gatherer’s Garden near you!

If you don’t feel like looking at it closely, the pack includes the following plasmids: Machine Buster, Vending Expert, Sonic Boom, and EVE Saver. That’s not all though, as the scavenger also ran into a galore of other unused plasmids and descriptions. Even more downloadable packs planned for release in the future? It certainly looks like it. Please do know that none of this has been confirmed and could just as well be some useless “junk code”. Nonetheless, if nothing else, it sure gives us hope that somewhere down the line downloadable content might become available for one of the biggest hits of this year.
http://www.xboxic.com/news/3620
 
Same here. I might play through it one more time to see the other ending/see what is different when you're evil but unless those add-ons come out soon and are free, I can't see myself bothering.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Same here. I might play through it one more time to see the other ending/see what is different when you're evil but unless those add-ons come out soon and are free, I can't see myself bothering.[/QUOTE]

The evil ending blows beyond belief. And
NOTHING is different except the ending movie.
 
[quote name='A Happy Panda']The evil ending blows beyond belief. And
NOTHING is different except the ending movie.
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that's too bad

i kinda liked the 'good' ending, even if it was predictable and a little cheesy

was hoping the other side would be cool too
 
So wait a sec, in the "evil" ending...
Tenenbaum is still all, "Go! Save Rapture! Here, let the Little Sisters help you!" I was hoping the whole last 1/4 - 1/5 of the game would be different. Poo.
 
[quote name='Halo05']So wait a sec, in the "evil" ending...
Tenenbaum is still all, "Go! Save Rapture! Here, let the Little Sisters help you!" I was hoping the whole last 1/4 - 1/5 of the game would be different. Poo.
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Yep.

Just found this hilarious video review from Digg

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IBkT0Oi97E[/media]

(waits for angry mob)

And FYI, I loved playing through Bioshock, so don't take this as flamebait.
 
Pretty hilarious review. Predictable PC elitism abounds however; I'd love to see the reviewer try to handle something like Guilty Gear XX or Ikaruga. Touting complexity as a necessary ingredient in worthwhile games also seems like he's bagging on the entire history of videogames which speaks volumes about his videogame knowledge in general.

Anywho, I can't imagine he has much fun playing games seeing as how his "Gallery of worthy FPS RPGs" consists of a whopping 3 titles. I don't know how many times one can play through System Shock 2, Deus Ex and Stalker but I hope for his sake, it's dozens. Each. Into infinity.
 
anyone kno the next best weapon to upgrade?

im in
fort frolic on my 4th power to the people machine

ive already upgraded the shotty fully and nade launcher immunity
 
I used the machine gun by far the most throughout the game (w/ antipersonnel ammo it is fantastic) and the upgrades for it are a must (especially the reduced recoil one).
 
[quote name='torifile']No widescreen fix? Boo.[/QUOTE]
Widescreen isn't "broken". If they do change it it's only because people cried about it so much. The developers decided that a certain field of view was ideal for gameplay. Since they decided black bars weren't good because it would reduce the actual playable game area, they decided to trim the top and bottom from widescreen because it had little affect on gameplay.
 
One question:

Where the hell is the
chemical thrower? I have maxed out it's ammo but still don't have it. I'm about 2/3 through Arcadia.

Also, isn't it kind of gay that electro bolt interacts with water but winter freeze doesn't?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']One question:

Where the hell is the
chemical thrower? I have maxed out it's ammo but still don't have it. I'm about 2/3 through Arcadia.

Also, isn't it kind of gay that electro bolt interacts with water but winter freeze doesn't?[/QUOTE]

You're pretty close to getting it. I remember thinking the same thing.

Also, seeing splicers or Big Daddies slipping on ice would be hilarious.

Oh and 2k, how about an update to sync up the damn audio and subtitles?
 
Just finished the game -- here's my review:
I've got mixed feelings about it - on the one hand, it does a lot of things right - the environments, the enemy models and animations, the AI and the audio were all highlights for me, some of the most impressive I've seen in any game. I really loved the art style, the painstaking details on every nook and cranny of the diverse environments, and the way the splicers moved and dressed gave me the creeps. I'm actually excited to take the game to school with me to watch someone else play it so I can soak in the environments without sweeping the room on high alert.

Other atypical elements like the hacking minigame, plasmids, the decisions around upgrading, and the inclusion of money were hit or miss. I loved being able to commandeer turrets and cameras and watching them take out my enemies (and I think a mini-game makes sense there), but I got unbelievably bored of it about halfway through the game after hacking my 500th vending machine. I eventually started an autohack/replenish at u-invent station combo but that isn't really a sustainable solution until the later stages of the game, and by then I was already sick of them.

Searching bodies for loot was entertaining at first, but similarly, after my 500th cavity search it became painfully tedious and I started double-tapping A without even reading (which led to me getting drunk a few times, but there was no real penalty for it -- I would just stand there and wait it out, so what was the point?)

The concept of plasmids is a fun one (and there were moments when they worked to perfection), and I only wish I had more opportunities to use more obscure ones. As it stood, I only used electric shock/telekenesis/enrage because with limited ammo stores I went for the most effective kill combinations first. I felt like I was stuck in too many situations with all the wrong ammo (the game is suspiciously devoid of auto-anti-p ammo later on in the game) and had to resort to stunning, wrenching, and telekenesising my way out of things because I was afraid to use other ammo lest I need it more a little later on.

Finally, some things were just outright disappointing, the story being the biggest letdown of all. I found the combination of radio chatter and recorded diary method of revealing the story to be a little awkward. I appreciated the individual character storylines, but the game never really gave you enough to be invested in them, and in the end they were sort of lost in the shuffle.

I'm not even going to talk about the ending - I got the "bad" one (and was so unsatisfied I proceeded to watch the "good" one on youtube and unfortunately I think that one sucked too). If anything it serves to reinforce how weak the overall plot was to begin with. I can certainly appreciate a "wtf" or "out there" type of story (I think MGS2 has one of the best videogame plots of all time), but this one just fell flat on its face.

I think that the best videogames are a combination of two criteria: riveting story and exciting gameplay. While Bioshock failed to some degree at delivering the former, it succeeded admirably at the latter, and that's all I needed to keep playing with a smile on my face. I found myself thinking the same thing I thought while playing Gears - I don't really know or care why I'm shooting these things, but I sure am having a good time. The flaws I mentioned above keep me from giving it "true classic" status, but it has to be at least in the running for GOTY at this point, and I'm quite glad that I got the chance to play it.
 
[quote name='2Fast']For some reason the
Hypnotize Big Daddy
plasmid never works for me, I have no clue why.[/QUOTE]

That's lame. Maybe glitched? Try upgrading it and see if that works.

Also
I found that plasmid to be both a gift and a nightmare. I had that electric shock tonic on me where if I got hit, I'd emit electricity. Man. You could imagine the look on my face when I hypnotized a Big Daddy, get hurt, and then see his eyes turn red and rushing at me...not fun.

As a result, I hardly used it unless I really needed the help.
 
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