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[quote name='triforcer']he's talking about the splicers that rush you when you turn on the smoke.

and it does get annoying, but i still tried searching everything, i must have turned on that machine a dozen or so times and gone in there to find anything.[/quote]

Yeah, it's a splicer factory in there... I got to Fort Frolic or whatever it's called and my 360 started overheating (again) so I had to quit.

After an hour or so the thing just gets too hot and the sound starts to cut in and out - also the light on my HD-DVD drive turns red and my camera ceases to function too. I can't even watch a movie all the way through. When I turn everything off and leave it for an hour I can play again for another hour... it's so annoying and I'm on my 3rd 360 and it's almost Christmas so I don't want to be without it. God what a piece of shit system.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Yeah, it's a splicer factory in there... I got to Fort Frolic or whatever it's called and my 360 started overheating (again) so I had to quit.

After an hour or so the thing just gets too hot and the sound starts to cut in and out - also the light on my HD-DVD drive turns red and my camera ceases to function too. I can't even watch a movie all the way through. When I turn everything off and leave it for an hour I can play again for another hour... it's so annoying and I'm on my 3rd 360 and it's almost Christmas so I don't want to be without it. God what a piece of shit system.[/QUOTE]


The sound cuts in and out in the PC version too when a splicer gets too close and there is a gun/bash fight.
 
haven't had an issue with the system ringing out from bioshock, but my system did RROD a while ago when i streaming media from my pc.
 
Just beat the game tonight 1000/1100. Had a list of tonics and radios up at all times to make sure I didn't miss any of them.

Amazing game, the first since RE4 to give me this kind of a rush/fulfillment by the time i got down with it. I'm not that good at fps, so it took me a while to get decent, but by 6 hours in I was tearing through everything. My game of the year, and totally justified my 360 purchase of a month ago.
 
Beating down a Big Daddy early in the game with just a wrench would be a bitch.

My guess is the rumored 'no vita chamber' achievement is the 100 point addition.
 
[quote name='ThatDamnDave']Beating down a Big Daddy early in the game with just a wrench would be a bitch.

My guess is the rumored 'no vita chamber' achievement is the 100 point addition.[/quote]

A few people have done that and it didnt unlock. So either that isnt what the achievement is, or it just isnt active yet.
 
I beat the game on medium getting 585 of the achievement points. I haven't played this game in months since I just rented it when it came out and didn't get to borrow it from a friend until a couple days ago. The ending wasn't as awesome as I was hoping for, but he game as a whole was fantastic.

I'm replaying it now on easy, and it's a lot of fun with the decreased difficulty. I've never died, and all of my ammo and health kits/eve hypos are full after just killing Steinman. I'm going to try and get the other 415 points with this playthrough.

EDIT- As hohez said, except for that one achievement.
 
[quote name='sj41']I beat the game on medium getting 585 of the achievement points. I haven't played this game in months since I just rented it when it came out and didn't get to borrow it from a friend until a couple days ago. The ending wasn't as awesome as I was hoping for, but he game as a whole was fantastic.

I'm replaying it now on easy, and it's a lot of fun with the decreased difficulty. I've never died, and all of my ammo and health kits/eve hypos are full after just killing Steinman. I'm going to try and get the other 415 points with this playthrough.[/quote]

one of the achievements is beat the game on hard difficulty, so you wont be able to get them all on an easy play through.
 
I've heard that Levine was working on some DLC for this game.

In a video I've seen when the game was in develeopmetn there were some different plasmids, i'm prett sure there was a teleport one but have not seen it in the game.
 
Almost at the end of the game. About 16 hours, and 650 achievement points (with 200 G 100% guaranteed to be mine at the end of the game). Not sure if I'll get the diary one, but I'm going back through all the levels so hopefully I don't miss anything.
I saved all of the Little sisters!
And I'm
seconds before the Little Sister escort mission
The only non-story achievements I don't have are: (invent 100 times-(can still get), 53 tonics-(really close), and the diaries-(how do you know how many you have/missed), and Hard Difficulty ones (playing on normal) ). Hopefully I'll end with 960 :D
Later on, I'll definitely play the game again.
 
I'm about 1/2 way through Fort Frolic right now. I stopped right at the part where I think I'm meeting up with Sander Cohen. I can see a dude playing piano through a glass door... I still have a lot of research to do - I'm taking pictures of everything but I'm not getting much out of them. I've also upgraded my machine gun and shotgun to maximum capacity (meaning I've found 4 Power to the People stations). I hope I haven't missed any so far - I've been looking EVERYWHERE though so I think I'm OK. This game is seriously awesome. I am loving every second...
 
I'm at about the same point, javery, getting thru the Sander Cohen bit. My 360 froze up yesterday when I tried saving. No red rings yet, but I'm getting the feeling that it's coming soon. Grrrrr.

And as for the weapon upgrade stations, I've been using this youtube vid for all the locations....I guess this could be considered a spoiler so I'll just post the link to it. I've gotten four of them as well, so I don't think you've missed any:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2isuTD8zO8
 
Don't worry about the research jav, if you've been following my advice and snapping 4 photos of every new enemy it won't be long before you'll have everything done. THe last two to get completed are the nitro splicer adn the BDs.

Regarding dairies, youc an hit start, then scroll over to a diary list that groups them by category. You basically need to get a FAQ to find out how many you're supposed to get in each area, count the ones you have, then by process of elimination find which ones your missing and go diary hunting using an faq or something. If you're against using faq's to help you get 1000/1000 ach pts, well then have fun roaming around aimlessly scouring every single corner.

EDIT: I feel that I should repeat this because it was so G-ddamn ubeleivably fucking frustrating when it happened to me. If you're going to attempt to get every tonic and diary (1) Dont harvest more than one LS, and (2) Make sure you get the diaries from the three areas you cannot return to, which are (a) Welcome to Rapture, (2) Control room and (3) SMuggler's hideout.

As to the Avid Inventor Ach, just keep inventing inventing inventing, you'll get it eventually. Invent stuff even if you don't need it, just leave it lying there on the floor if you're full and grab it later or don't ether way it makes teh ach easier.
 
Inventor was easy for me. i basically invented one of each ammo and then the 3 tonics you can invent and held onto everything after that. at end game the 2 invention tonics, one makes everything cost 1 less and one doubles the results, made it very easy to hit 100. the double results counts as 2 each, and i only had to do 45 or so combines before the final boss and i got it.

I was so paranoid about using my adam and not being able to get all of the tonics, I ended the game with about 950 left over adam. I went almost exclusively wrench through the entire game.
 
I'm low on ADAM right now (55) and I haven't bought much. I've been saving the Little Sisters as I go and I've saved them all up to Fort Frolic (haven't seen any in there yet).
 
Some tips on spending ADAM:

You need to conserve SOME ADAM to get the Tonic Collector Acheivement, but so long as you have enough to purchase all the tonics avail at the gatherer's gardens (GG) then you will be fine. Buy all the tonics from GG's as soon as you can even if you don't use em, you'll need to get em anyway if your going for the ach.

Also keep in mind that things go down in price. For instance if you hold off on upgrading your plasmids, you may even be able to skip a level or get them cheaper at the next GG you come across. WHen you get to the last level (you'll know it) just be conscious of having enough adam left to buy the last tonics.

At the end of the game I think I bought everything except a plasmid or two (I saved up and bought some later for about half the adam) and I upgraded health and eve twice.
 
Ok, I beat this game today! Amazing game! Got the best ending, and finished with 850 achievement points. I created a save right at the end of the last level, (in front of the very last Gatherers Garden) so I can go back for the diaries, inventor and tonic achievement.
In the end, the first game of the year for me to get a 9+...9.5
The only other competitor is Ratchet, who could end up higher..we'll see.

CLEAR TIME: 16H 51M
 
Just beat it myself on a rental. Got about 800 points if I remember right. Missed a couple of audio diaries, some research, and an upgrade station. Was more focused on finishing the game than 100%ing it. Awesome game, I'd put it on par with the Half-Life single-player games. Really easy final boss though.

My only gripe, which I feel is more of an overall game design theory problem, is the illusion of choice. I mean, the game handled it pretty well with the story, but for a game that was promoted as all about moral choice I never felt I had a hard choice to make. Everythng was linear as usual. But, I understand it's tough to properly design a game that actually allows meaningful choice, so.... *shrug*
 
Finally beat it tonight, have been putting if off for a couple weeks and finally today and yesterday I just chugged through the last couple of parts. Man the game was great, but like everyone else
I thought the last boss was a joke, I used one medikit, and that was because I thought he might do some crazy move that would take half my health. Still a great game, its up there with mass effect and orange box for my game of the year.
 
[quote name='Charron']Just beat it myself on a rental. Got about 800 points if I remember right. Missed a couple of audio diaries, some research, and an upgrade station. Was more focused on finishing the game than 100%ing it. Awesome game, I'd put it on par with the Half-Life single-player games. Really easy final boss though.

My only gripe, which I feel is more of an overall game design theory problem, is the illusion of choice. I mean, the game handled it pretty well with the story, but for a game that was promoted as all about moral choice I never felt I had a hard choice to make. Everythng was linear as usual. But, I understand it's tough to properly design a game that actually allows meaningful choice, so.... *shrug*[/quote]

I think it really depends on how you look at it: at first I thought the same thing, but then I realized that it really fit with the theme of the game, considering
your character himself is under the illusion of choice, and, once you're freed from that, there's really only one course of action.

That aside, the biggest gripe I had was the final boss. He felt like a joke compared to the first Big Daddy battle.
 
Bioshock Noob here, but do I have to kill any solo Big Daddy's? I have had a few encounters with some of them who weren't escorting little sisters, I used them to the best I could but in the end found them annoying as they shook up the screen too much and not much of protection.

Also im on the PC version.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Bioshock Noob here, but do I have to kill any solo Big Daddy's? I have had a few encounters with some of them who weren't escorting little sisters, I used them to the best I could but in the end found them annoying as they shook up the screen too much and not much of protection.

Also im on the PC version.[/quote]

You don't have to kill any solo Big Daddies. Once you've harvested the Little Sisters in a level, they're nothing more than scenery.

Well, scenery that'll murder you eight ways from yesterday if you accidentally graze them with a bullet.
 
[quote name='IOnceWasLegend']You don't have to kill any solo Big Daddies. Once you've harvested the Little Sisters in a level, they're nothing more than scenery.

Well, scenery that'll murder you eight ways from yesterday if you accidentally graze them with a bullet.[/quote]

They can be valuable allies if you hypnotize one and take it into a room full of splicers...

I played some more last night -
Fort Frolic is a long (and damn cool) level. I've taken 2 of the 4 requested pics to complete the "masterpiece" and I've saved all three little sisters on this level. Also, for the first time in the game, I took down 2 Big Daddies without dying! I just went into the strip club and found an audio diary under the bed... I'm not keeping track of the ones I've found but maybe I should. I also finished researching two more things (Houdini and Spider Splicers) and found another Power to the People vending machine - this one was pretty well hidden in a back room in a bar that you had to push a button to access. I really didn't want to put it down last night but it was midnight and I wake up at 5:45... so tired...
 
Ugghhhh that happened to me with bioshock too Jav. I spent a lot of days at work draggin ass b/c I couldnt put the game now. That hasn't happened to me in a while since Bioshock.

Regarding the diaries, I just cross checked my inventory against a list of them at the end of each level.

Congrats on moving along with your research, pretty soon you won't have to take any more pics of anything. You probably figured this out already but if you have somethign fully researched it wont let you take a photo so you dont have to worry about wasting film on something thats been compelted.
 
[quote name='Azumangaman']Ok, I beat this game today! Amazing game! Got the best ending, and finished with 850 achievement points. I created a save right at the end of the last level, (in front of the very last Gatherers Garden) so I can go back for the diaries, inventor and tonic achievement.
In the end, the first game of the year for me to get a 9+...9.5
The only other competitor is Ratchet, who could end up higher..we'll see.

CLEAR TIME: 16H 51M[/QUOTE]
That is a really good idea... I'm gonna have to do that. I'm at 395 right now, but will have 150 more at the end of the game plus whatever I get between now and then. I want to get every achievement, though, so I will just do that.
 
[quote name='IOnceWasLegend']You don't have to kill any solo Big Daddies. Once you've harvested the Little Sisters in a level, they're nothing more than scenery.

Well, scenery that'll murder you eight ways from yesterday if you accidentally graze them with a bullet.[/QUOTE]


OH GOOD.... yea I had two big daddies go after each other and I wanted to help my big daddy out so I fired a shock blast at the other big daddy with my shotgun...and accidentally hit my big daddy. The game warned me I hit it and thought oh it was just a light hit, and the bid daddy will not come after me.. BIG mistake... as soon as he finished off that big daddy, mother fucker came after me!!! holy shit.

I predict that I will be finishing this game and not giving up on it.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']OH GOOD.... yea I had two big daddies go after each other and I wanted to help my big daddy out so I fired a shock blast at the other big daddy with my shotgun...and accidentally hit my big daddy. The game warned me I hit it and thought oh it was just a light hit, and the bid daddy will not come after me.. BIG mistake... as soon as he finished off that big daddy, mother fucker came after me!!! holy shit.

I predict that I will be finishing this game and not giving up on it.[/quote]

Seriously. I love this game with a passion; single-player only, but I'm perfectly willing to shell out the money for it and keep it in my collection, permanently. The only gripe I have with it is that the GS I work at got a Limited Edition in with a broken Big Daddy, and they're no longer replacing the figures :(
 
More progress last night!
I finished Fort Frolic (completed Cohen's masterpiece) and made it to just outside Andrew Ryan's office on the next level. I'm having so much fun. The splicers are getting easier and easier to kill but I can't seem to find anymore Nitro Splicers to take some pictures of. Also, I have a ton of tonics but I seem to be doing OK with the ones I have equipped so I'm not experimenting as much as I should. Also, I use the machine gun way too much. I barely touch the crossbow or the chemical thrower. I've got about 155 ADAM left but I'm holding off on buying stuff because people have said prices go down later in the game and I want to be sure I have enough to buy everything for the achievements.
Tonight I'm going to do an inventory of all the audio diaries I've found so far to make sure I'm on the right track...
 
[quote name='IOnceWasLegend']I think it really depends on how you look at it: at first I thought the same thing, but then I realized that it really fit with the theme of the game, considering
your character himself is under the illusion of choice, and, once you're freed from that, there's really only one course of action.

That aside, the biggest gripe I had was the final boss. He felt like a joke compared to the first Big Daddy battle.[/quote]

Well, I was kinda relieved to have an easy final boss, after the number of Big Daddies I dealt with (and died at). The whole ending felt rushed honestly, between the escort mission and the boss. But oh well.
And yea, my complaint about choice is really more accurate on non-Bioshock games. Fable comes to mind. At least Bioshock's ending is affected by multiple actions, even if they are essentially the same action.
 
They shouldn't have had an end boss. End bosses are cliched and boring, and they could have spent the time wasted on the end boss improving the final escort mission, which showed real potential.

Then again, escort missions usually suck, and there was something amazingly awesome about [endgame spoiler]
watching all the little sisters jump out and save your life by attacking the final boss (won't call him by his name: no need to put that spoiler in here).
 
How much of the game is left after Fort Frolic? I'm halfway through that with the main photography tasks. I just don't have much time to put into games, perhaps hearing that I'm nearing the finale will spur me on.
 
To answer the above question, about
one third of the game is left after Fort Frolic.
It may seem like more judging by the number of areas, but the last couple areas are much smaller.

Glad to see you're progressing Jav, don't forget to be sure to get all the diaries from the areas you can't return to.

Itdefex, you absolutely should finish the game. Lots of people bitch about the final boss fight and the endings but I liked em both (even though I did think it was pretty easy). Besides, some of the best parts of the game are in the latter levels so you might as well just continue playing another hour and beat it.
 
I liked the last boss. It was a pretty cool encounters. And as I hate hard games, and especially LOATHE hard bosses, I was glad that it was easy to do in one try. :D

It was a cool battle, wrapped up the story nicely, and didn't frustrate me. Pretty much the perfect way to end a game for me.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']Glad to see you're progressing Jav, don't forget to be sure to get all the diaries from the areas you can't return to. [/quote]

I think I'm OK... but I'm not 100% sure. I've been putting off going through the audio diary checklist because if I've blown it already I'm going to be pissed. I've been very thourough in my searching - I'm taking it all in because I love the atmosphere of the game so I think I'm OK... None of them were particularly hard to find were they? I mean if you visit every area on the map are there a lot that aren't in plain sight?
 
[quote name='javeryh']I think I'm OK... but I'm not 100% sure. I've been putting off going through the audio diary checklist because if I've blown it already I'm going to be pissed. I've been very thourough in my searching - I'm taking it all in because I love the atmosphere of the game so I think I'm OK... None of them were particularly hard to find were they? I mean if you visit every area on the map are there a lot that aren't in plain sight?[/QUOTE]

Yes. There are a couple in vents, IIRC. A couple in hidden rooms/crawl spaces, and I distinctly remember one under/behind a couch.
 
Finished it last night... Wow. This game was amazing. It has stuck with me these last few days- usually I finish a game and am done, but this one was astounding. Definitely GOTY for me.
 
I agree 100%. GOTY for me too!

Jav fear not, the only diaries that were really tough to find were ones in the areas you can return to (i.e. accessible through bathysphere stations). THe ones in the three areas you can't reaccess were in pretty much plain sight.
 
I'm still in Fort Frolic, but am also a little worried about getting all the diaries. I've been really good about checking out every corner and corridor (and crate) in all the rooms/areas thus far. But I have a question - when can I no longer use the bathysphere to visit the other areas? Can I still go back after the "final boss or mission" is complete? Or is Bioshock one of those games that completely closes the world off after a full playthrough?

I just don't want to halt my momentum by going back for any (possible) missing diaries until I absolutely have to (for the achievement).
 
More progress last night. I'm right outside Andrew Ryan's office.
I went inside a crawl space and found two audio diaries but I missed one that was supposed to be in the giant room right before the crawlspace so I quit playing because I don't think I can go back and get it. Plus, I didn't get a chance to fully explore the room. The fetch quest in this level was actually really fun for a change because it fit in with the story and didn't take too long to complete. I think the finish line is in sight even though I don't want it to end. I'm also not sure how many tonics I have or how many I'm supposed to have at this point. I don't think I've been finding that many of them...
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Fear not tonic seekers! You can go back to all of the areas in the game except for (1) Welcome to Rapture, (2) Rapture Control Room, and (3) Smuggler's Hideout. (I may have 2&3 switched in order). There are only 2 or 3 diaries each in these areas and they are IIRC placed in fairly obvious places.

Be sure to save before the final boss fight, or even before you escort the little sister and you will have no problem returning to areas other than those three via the bathysphere.

Jav, do what I did when its over your first playthrough: Replay it on hard. I hardly ever do this with videogames and I can say with all sincerety Bioshock was the only one I ever began replaying immediately after I beat it the first time. Achievements make it worthwhile and they're easier to get if you know youre going for them from the get go. You also can use more online help w/ diary lists, etc. since you dont have to worry abotu spoilers.
 
I am really really tempted to replay it on Hard right away but I have Mass Effect and CoD4 which I haven't played yet... plus Christmas is coming. I'll probably replay it some time early next year.
 
should i just buy those hacker tonics in the gatherer's gardens? they're version 2 and i don't like buying any version two items cause i rather wait for version 3. or does it not matter and i still need to get them for the achievement?
 
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