BIOSHOCK - Gen. Discussion & Info

Yeah the bit about Sander was tough to know without finding out about it the first time. I got 1000/1000 (before the DLC) in 2 playthroughs. I suppose it is possible to do it on one.

If you're using lists, be careful: One of the diaries is listed in an incorrect area, like its in the markets or something when its listed under Arcadia. My second playthrough I just made sure I had all the diaries in the location I was in before I accessed the bulkhead door to a new place.

Also be aware that there are 3 areas you cannot return to, so be sure to ge teh diaries there: Welcome to Rapture, Central Control, and Smugglers Hideout.

To the person that asked about BD's and LS's, on teh start screen across the middle of the bottom there are pictures of each LS for the area you're currently in, If they are represented with a BD over their shoulder and behind them, you have not dealt with them yet, if its just a LS face then you've already taken care of it. Go to different areas (via bathysphere stations) to see what LS's you have not dealt with if you're concerned about the achievement.
 
[quote name='yousuredo']big question here...
in poseidon plaza there are some stairs going down with grates
and in the area where you watch the person playing piano die
there is a booth seat with a plasmid there and i can't seam to get in or go down?
...........sorry for asking so much

thanks for the Cohan info[/quote]The first one, I think we're talking about the same place, there should be a room with a bar. I forget what it's called, but there's a statue of a guy on a table in there. Behind the bar, towards the opening where you enter, there's a switch to open up that grating so you can access the area. Be careful down there, though. Be quick with your trigger finger on the crossbow.

As for the second, the door is barred going into that specific balcony, right? You can still access other balconies, but you can do some platform hopping and get across to it, skirting on the edges of the balconies. Alternatively, you can use your Telekinesis.
 
OMG, I tried and tried adn tried to hop accross to get that tonic on the balcony in the theatre (and eventually did it on the third try I think).

All without ever thinking to grab it with TK.
 
I just finished it a few hours ago and...wow. I haven't played a single player game this enthralling since the original Half-Life. Although I completely dominated Frank at the end...he wasn't too hard, even on the hardest setting.

(Oh...and the final achievement...beat the game on hardest setting without dying...wow...I'm not even attempting it)
 
I just started this game earlier today, and I must say, wow. It's incredible. It's one of the rare games that I've played that has really lived up to all of the good things I've heard about it.
 
[quote name='Nealocus123']I just finished it a few hours ago and...wow. I haven't played a single player game this enthralling since the original Half-Life. Although I completely dominated Frank at the end...he wasn't too hard, even on the hardest setting.

(Oh...and the final achievement...beat the game on hardest setting without dying...wow...I'm not even attempting it)[/quote]

yeah - that final achievement is a joke. Talk about trial and error - you'd have to save and reload about a billion times which really isn't indicitive of any skill - just insanity and nothing better to do with your time, IMO.
 
[quote name='javeryh']yeah - that final achievement is a joke. Talk about trial and error - you'd have to save and reload about a billion times which really isn't indicitive of any skill - just insanity and nothing better to do with your time, IMO.[/QUOTE]

Ya, I keep going back and forth on whether to go for it. I can never seem to bring myself to it.
 
[quote name='javeryh'] Talk about trial and error - you'd have to save and reload about a billion times which really isn't indicitive of any skill - just insanity and nothing better to do with your time, IMO.[/quote]

These are precisely my sentiments about beating COD4 on Veteran. Some amorphous combination of luck and skill. (Mostly requires time/determination/luck IMO).

Now, believe it or not, I'm playing Endless Ocean. QUite the change of pace from Bioshock eh??? I can't put the game down, I always want to find one more fish, one more new area to explore. It's really addicting, though I doubt I'll log close to the 90 hrs i put into two playthroughs of Mass Effect.
Now that I took a break, I really don't see myself going for a third playthrough.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']These are precisely my sentiments about beating COD4 on Veteran. Some amorphous combination of luck and skill. (Mostly requires time/determination/luck IMO).

Now, believe it or not, I'm playing Endless Ocean. QUite the change of pace from Bioshock eh??? I can't put the game down, I always want to find one more fish, one more new area to explore. It's really addicting, though I doubt I'll log close to the 90 hrs i put into two playthroughs of Mass Effect.
Now that I took a break, I really don't see myself going for a third playthrough.[/quote]

While CoD on Vet is completely trial and error, IMO you develop skill...at least I did. In order to get past those tough parts you had to string together head shots and make use of cover. But you right, it is trial and error.

As for endless ocean...it would so be in my collection if I had a Wii.
 
i did the brass balls achievement... it is a bitch. I thought CoD4 and Gears on the hardest modes were much more brutal though. I only had to reload probably 10 times.
 
THat is such a sick deal, too bad I got it and beat it twice for free on a 7 week gamefly trial or I'd be playing darkness too. Oh well bioshcok for $0.00 beats Bioshock and Darkness for what $49.99?

Are they very similar games? They really don't seem so to me so I wonder why they're bundled?
 
They're both 2K games that came out last summer. The Darkness was solid and probably didn't sell as well as it should have, hence 2k bundling it.
 
Eh. I was mesmerized by Bioshock immediately and couldn't put it down. Fabulous powers to use, a gorgeous environment, and a solid plot (although i think people kinda got overexcited about the story). I got bored with Darkness after 2 hours. Darkness seemed very generic with cookie-cutter mob characters, bland scenery and a sort of uninteresting demonic aspect. Apparently your demon powers get cooler as the game progresses, but I didn't give it that much time.
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']i did the brass balls achievement... it is a bitch. I thought CoD4 and Gears on the hardest modes were much more brutal though. I only had to reload probably 10 times.[/quote]

CoD4 was nuts on veteran...pity so many achievements are tied to it. The last stretch going through the bunker with the timer is just nuts. The game won't give you a checkpoint if you're not going quickly enough, so if you die you're fucked. Granted, it may save you frustration from running out of time later, but even so it's ridiculously annoying...and then soon after that you get Mile High Club, which is a whole additional barrel of fun.

I didn't find Gears too bad on insane other than the fucking mine carts and RAAM...although RAAM was more because I did it solo than because of any intrinsic difficulty.

As far as taking Sander out in his apartment, I may have just gotten a lucky shot, but when he ran out of his secret room I hit him with 4 quick shottie blasts, then drilled him in the head with a crossbow shot and he was finished almost before he even got out of the doorway. Seemed MUCH easier than when I took him on earlier in the game the first time around.
 
[quote name='TahoeMax']CoD4 was nuts on veteran...pity so many achievements are tied to it. The last stretch going through the bunker with the timer is just nuts. The game won't give you a checkpoint if you're not going quickly enough, so if you die you're fucked. Granted, it may save you frustration from running out of time later, but even so it's ridiculously annoying...and then soon after that you get Mile High Club, which is a whole additional barrel of fun.

I didn't find Gears too bad on insane other than the fucking mine carts and RAAM...although RAAM was more because I did it solo than because of any intrinsic difficulty.

As far as taking Sander out in his apartment, I may have just gotten a lucky shot, but when he ran out of his secret room I hit him with 4 quick shottie blasts, then drilled him in the head with a crossbow shot and he was finished almost before he even got out of the doorway. Seemed MUCH easier than when I took him on earlier in the game the first time around.[/QUOTE]

I 1000/1000ed COD4, so I know how difficult it can be, but for some reason I found it far more enjoyable than Bioshock on hard, I'm not sure what it is.
 
[quote name='TahoeMax']CoD4 was nuts on veteran...pity so many achievements are tied to it. The last stretch going through the bunker with the timer is just nuts. The game won't give you a checkpoint if you're not going quickly enough, so if you die you're fucked. Granted, it may save you frustration from running out of time later, but even so it's ridiculously annoying...and then soon after that you get Mile High Club, which is a whole additional barrel of fun.[/quote]

I died so many times on the timed level that it eventually gave me checkpoints as I went down the mountain.

Mile High club was fun though IMO.
 
[quote name='TahoeMax']CoD4 was nuts on veteran...pity so many achievements are tied to it. The last stretch going through the bunker with the timer is just nuts. The game won't give you a checkpoint if you're not going quickly enough, so if you die you're fucked. Granted, it may save you frustration from running out of time later, but even so it's ridiculously annoying...and then soon after that you get Mile High Club, which is a whole additional barrel of fun.

I didn't find Gears too bad on insane other than the fucking mine carts and RAAM...although RAAM was more because I did it solo than because of any intrinsic difficulty.

As far as taking Sander out in his apartment, I may have just gotten a lucky shot, but when he ran out of his secret room I hit him with 4 quick shottie blasts, then drilled him in the head with a crossbow shot and he was finished almost before he even got out of the doorway. Seemed MUCH easier than when I took him on earlier in the game the first time around.[/quote]

I'm going through CoD4 on Veteran right now, and it's pretty insane... I'm also trying to get the Brass Balls achievement on BioShock, and I have to say, apart from surviving Big Daddy fights, CoD4 is much harder. They're both so fun, though, that every time I die on either, it just makes me want to get past that part more.
 
Yeah the brass balls achievement never really seemed that difficult to me because you can easily accomplish it if you know you're going for it from the beginning.

Once proficient, the game is not that difficult to begin with (esp. if you research and pick and choose and map out your BD fights) and if you save often, like really often, vita chambers aren't even necessary.
 
I've been meaning to ask...how do you hack a turret? Everytime I try to get near one kills me. I'm possibly somewhere in the middle of the game, I'm thinking I must have missed a deactivated turret somewhere in the beginning.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I've been meaning to ask...how do you hack a turret? Everytime I try to get near one kills me. I'm possibly somewhere in the middle of the game, I'm thinking I must have missed a deactivated turret somewhere in the beginning.[/QUOTE]

Hit it with lightning first, it deactivates for a few seconds.
 
I was in unbridled love with BioShock at the outset, but that feeling subsided bit by bit until the end. By the last half, I felt like I was fighting the same fights, using the same tactics, and completing the same fetch quests. Even the level design seemed a little sloppy. Why would they load me up with two non-combat Plasmids right before the final fight.

Overall, BioShock was an incredible experience, but I can't stand behind the perfect scores that some reviewers gave it.
 
I'm one of those people who bought a 360 late and missed the Bioshock bandwagon. Now that that is has been announced for the PS3 (with additional content and improved visuals), would anyone recommend waiting for that release, or would I be just as well off buying the 360 version now?
 
Nobody really knows what "improved visuals" means, other than they have gone back and spent a little extra time on stuff they didn't have time for.

I doubt the experience will be any different on either system, except you have achievements on 360.
 
I have a question about the Big Daddys. The first one that you ever get to fight killed me. I wound up in a Vital Chamber and now can't find him and the Little Sister again. Where are they? I looked everywhere but can't seem to find them.
 
They roam around. If you come across him again and the LIttle Sister isn't with him, just hang out for a few. He'll walk up to a hole in the wall and bang on it and she'll come out. On a positive note. All of the damage that you did to him should still be there when you meet up with him again.
 
[quote name='Lokki']They roam around. If you come across him again and the LIttle Sister isn't with him, just hang out for a few. He'll walk up to a hole in the wall and bang on it and she'll come out. On a positive note. All of the damage that you did to him should still be there when you meet up with him again.[/quote]

Yeah I found him again. He was in a different location though. It's cool that the damage you did to him previously still holds over.

When can I start upgrading weapons?
 
[quote name='Blackout542']Yeah I found him again. He was in a different location though. It's cool that the damage you did to him previously still holds over.

When can I start upgrading weapons?[/quote]

You will come across "Power to the People" stations, there you can upgrade your weapons.
 
[quote name='BackInBlack']You will come across "Power to the People" stations, there you can upgrade your weapons.[/quote]

Oh ok. I am really enjoying the game so far. It has really drawn me in. Bioshock is probably one of the coolest games I have played in a long while.
 
Also if you run up against one without a little sister and you kill him, you'll have to kill him again when she's with him.

The first time I fought one, I got within one shot of killing him when he got me. I got excited, so I busted out of the vita-chamber and shot and killed him as soon as I saw him. I then realized he didn't have a girl with him, so I had to kill another one.

Then I accidentally did it again :)
 
^ Same thing happened to me. I pumped a bunch of ammo into him yet he didn't have a Little Sister near him.

Noooooo! The submarine!!! *cries*
 
Yeah, ignore them if they don't have little sisters with them. Or if there are still little sisters on the area follow it around until it knocks on the wall and calls one to him.

If there's not little sister with them they won't bother you at all unless you shoot them first.
 
Just started this game on Saturday and it is pretty amazing. Quick question, I received a thing (forgot what it was called), but it said whenever I hack a machine, I would receive some health. How do i equip this thing or is it already equipped?
 
That is a tonic. Early on you equip them as you get them but can only hold so many so later you have to find a tonic machine to change out which ones are equipped. Chances are that you equipped it when you got it.

It was a screen that had an old school elevator like dial at the bottom of the screen with 4-5 bubbles around it. You equip them there. Does that screen sound familiar? It's been about nine months since I played so I'm going on a fuzzy memory. :)
 
IIRC it's not the gene banks but a different terminal. I think there are three kinds of stations, the gene/plasmids, tonics, & weapon upgrades.
 
[quote name='Corvin']IIRC it's not the gene banks but a different terminal. I think there are three kinds of stations, the gene/plasmids, tonics, & weapon upgrades.[/QUOTE]


Gatherer's Garden - You just buy plasmids and Tonics here with ADAM

Gene Bank - Swap out tonics configurations

Power to the People - Upgrade one weapon once per machine
 
Thanks to all that answered. I'm in the Medical Pavilion right now and I guess I have to
kill dr. steinmen. About to enter the funeral place.
 
Man, I love this game.
I just passed the part where you kill Andrew Ryan. Wow! I am hooked on this game. I can't wait until the showdown with Fontaine.

I'm going to try to beat this tonight.
 
Lurking this thread reminded me on how awesome Bioshock is, I got it when I had such a huge backlog of games, I really need to go back and finish it.
 
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