Black man shoots kills unarmed White Hispanpanic WHERE THE OUTRAGE

Wow. I don't agree with this being a hate crime but I do agree there should be equal if not more outrage. For christ's stake the victim was mentally challenged and from what I read the shooter shot from his car
 
For those not versed in slidecage's antics I'd suggest seeking out some of his greatest hits.
 
[quote name='slidecage']http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/new...-victim-was-holding-leash-not-weapon-4-4-2012


come on AL and JESSE WHERES THE OUTRAGE HERE


o i forgot a black person cant do a hate crime[/QUOTE]

Uhhh...the guy had a mental illness that made him violent. I'm not saying that he deserved to die or be shot, but that's something that the driver couldn't have known while someone was allegedly attacking the driver. I'd even go as far as to say that neither party profiled eachother, which precludes the possiblity of a hate crime. Of which you need to learn the definition and application of.

Either way, I'm fairly certian the cops aren't going to fuck up the case like Sanford PD. If there's a drive through, there's a camera.

Or maybe you need to stop shitting up vs. like the OT forum. If it wasn't for your reg date, I'd suspect that you were gargus.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Uhhh...the guy had a mental illness that made him violent. I'm not saying that he deserved to die or be shot, but that's something that the driver couldn't have known while someone was allegedly attacking the driver. I'd even go as far as to say that neither party profiled eachother, which precludes the possiblity of a hate crime. Of which you need to learn the definition and application of.

Either way, I'm fairly certian the cops aren't going to fuck up the case like Sanford PD. If there's a drive through, there's a camera.

Or maybe you need to stop shitting up vs. like the OT forum. If it wasn't for your reg date, I'd suspect that you were gargus.[/QUOTE]


Really?

I saw the word "altercation" used but nothing to denote any sort of physical violence from the victim.

In fact it mentions he swung his fist at the driver's window and although I can't tell from this story it makes it sound like the driver shot from his car which would be messed up however if instead the shooter got out of the car then it would still be messed up.


Edit: To be clear I don't think this has any racial overtones what so ever.. the fact the driver is black and the victim was "white hispanic" as OP referred to him doesn't matter and shouldn't matter.

If anything I think there are more racial overtones to play in the Martin shooting.

I just get upset with the media and reaction or lack thereof with incidents like this.
 
as an outsider looking in, you guys realize you all just go round and round and round right on every topic right? I mean, it's like you all have roles to play in every thread. Just making an observation.

I do find it amusing that dohdough speaks for black people though.
 
The only outrage should be that no one has shot an unarmed slidecage. And by unarmed, I mean physically and mentally...
 
no the point is if a black person kills a white person people go MOVE ALONG

if a white person kills a black person its a HATE CRIME and BURN the city down if we dont have justice

that is the point

the national news picked up the florida case yet We havent seen a single thing about this story...



the black dude was never charge yet but there is noone bitching about that now is there




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At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them -- but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.


yea i really trust the driver after making up a lie like that


like i said THIS WONT MAKE the national news yet the other one does .... and none gives a Care about it

that is what is #)*%_#$ up

and where do you see HE ATTACKED THE DRIVER he swung at the door he never even came in contact with the driver
 
[quote name='GBAstar']Really?

I saw the word "altercation" used but nothing to denote any sort of physical violence from the victim.

In fact it mentions he swung his fist at the driver's window and although I can't tell from this story it makes it sound like the driver shot from his car which would be messed up however if instead the shooter got out of the car then it would still be messed up.


Edit: To be clear I don't think this has any racial overtones what so ever.. the fact the driver is black and the victim was "white hispanic" as OP referred to him doesn't matter and shouldn't matter.

If anything I think there are more racial overtones to play in the Martin shooting.

I just get upset with the media and reaction or lack thereof with incidents like this.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...I thought I read that his mental disability was of the violent type. I must've misread something then. My mistake. It's horrible what happened to Adkins.

But actual witnesses to the incident state that they got into a verbal argument and Adkins started beating on the car. Still doesn't he deserved to be shot. It's only a fucking car. Hell, not to mention that you'd have to be in a pretty crazy situation to discharge a firearm in a car too. Shit like that can make you deaf.
 
[quote name='slidecage']no the point is if a black person kills a white person people go MOVE ALONG [/QUOTE]
Most attacks are intraracial and white people attacking black people happens far more than black people attacking white people. Not to mention that black people tend to get caught and processed through the judicial system with greater impunity. If by moving along, you mean arrested and sent to court, then yes, you're absolutely right.

if a white person kills a black person its a HATE CRIME and BURN the
city down if we dont have justice

that is the point
There's been a Very long history that continues to this day where white offenders get off much more easier than they should. The only recent case that comes to mind where punishment fit the crime was where New Orleans Police Officers gunned down black people in Katrina and covered it up. Feel free to educate yourself on that case.

the national news picked up the florida case yet We havent seen a single thing about this story...
If you didn't, you wouldn't have mentioned it.

the black dude was never charge yet but there is noone bitching about that now is there
Please contrast and compare, in detail, this case and the Sandford case.

At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them -- but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.


yea i really trust the driver after making up a lie like that
Good thing that there's more than likely video of the incident.

like i said THIS WONT MAKE the national news yet the other one does .... and none gives a Care about it
Compare and contrast little buddy.

that is what is #)*%_#$ up
Lots of horrible cases don't make national news.

and where do you see HE ATTACKED THE DRIVER he swung at the door he never even came in contact with the driver
If he swung at the door, that's technically assault.
 
[quote name='slidecage']no the point is if a black person kills a white person people go MOVE ALONG

if a white person kills a black person its a HATE CRIME and BURN the city down if we dont have justice

that is the point

the national news picked up the florida case yet We havent seen a single thing about this story...



the black dude was never charge yet but there is noone bitching about that now is there




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At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them -- but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.


yea i really trust the driver after making up a lie like that


like i said THIS WONT MAKE the national news yet the other one does .... and none gives a Care about it

that is what is #)*%_#$ up

and where do you see HE ATTACKED THE DRIVER he swung at the door he never even came in contact with the driver[/QUOTE]

We actually have had a bit of hate crime here in Hawaii that does not get charged as that and usually the offender/s get off or get off with a slap on the wrist. Here though I think it has to do with tourism. It quickly gets swept under the rug.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Most attacks are intraracial and white people attacking black people happens far more than black people attacking white people. Not to mention that black people tend to get caught and processed through the judicial system with greater impunity. If by moving along, you mean arrested and sent to court, then yes, you're absolutely right.[/QUOTE]

this is just my thoughts exactly even though they don't have the guy at this time I bet it will be less than a week I want to say 3-4 days max before they find and arrest him not like the Zimmerman guy who had the chance to escape before they decided to lock him up and prolly if he didn't decide to go "missing" he would still be free it's just a fact they are double standards that blacks don't get an equal rights compared to /whites/Latinos or anybody in America it's nothing new it's been that way the last 300 years
 
[quote name='confoosious']as an outsider looking in, you guys realize you all just go round and round and round right on every topic right? I mean, it's like you all have roles to play in every thread. Just making an observation.

I do find it amusing that dohdough speaks for black people though.[/QUOTE]

No he/she doesn't. He/she speak for themselves. He/she may pretend to be the VOICE but that is all it is....pretend.

edit: forums are filled with self-appointed spokespersons for certain groups from political to ethnicities to white or black people. I dare say that most are not the elected spokesperson for anyone except themselves.
 
[quote name='dohdough']If he swung at the door, that's technically assault.[/QUOTE]

Ticky tack, but legally that wouldn't be assault. Assault is the verbal threatening of someone with the ability to initiate that attack. Battery is hitting someone. Hitting a person's car? Not really sure what that is called. That's why you often hear people being charged with assault & battery, because they say they're going to kick your ass (assault), then they do (battery).

Maybe dmaul can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's always been my understanding.
 
Yeah, that's the legal distinction between the terms.

It's just a case where the legalese is outdated based on modern usage of the words. Even most cops use assault to describe a physical attack and many department record them as assaults in their data. In the UCR data the FBI compiles serious felony attacks are called "aggravated assault," and academics use assault to describe attacks (hardly any studies deal with verbal assault anyway).
 
[quote name='dohdough']
Now I don't know if you read the entirety other thread, and I assume you haven't, but those kids found in your video will be relentlessly pursued and prosecuted.

Contrast this with how Zimmerman case was handled by the Sanford Police. It took public uproar and national attention before they got serious about even considering charging him with anything.


Well, the reason why you don't hear about black people beating up white people is because they hardly ever get off the hook, whereas you can't say the same for white people. Are both capable of racially motivated crime? Absolutely. But it's not that simple because prejudice is a very complex thing that isn't always equal.

edit: The kids that did this should be punished, no doubt.

edit2: toned it down a bit.[/QUOTE]

I will just drop this here.

And before you go on your rant about how the police in time will gather evidence (VIDEO CAMERA!!!1!11!!) and charges will be filed when they figure out what happened, think that most people were simply saying the exact same thing in the Martin case. Sharpton, and MSNBC, etc all pushed it to be a racial thing.
 
Ahhhh, slidecage. The greatest joke character the internet has ever seen.

[quote name='confoosious']as an outsider looking in, you guys realize you all just go round and round and round right on every topic right? I mean, it's like you all have roles to play in every thread. Just making an observation.[/QUOTE]

Yah bro. Sort of like the exact same thing that goes on in every other CAG subforum. We have had the conversation about how we all say the same shit several times.

lol
 
[quote name='slidecage']no the point is if a black person kills a white person people go MOVE ALONG

if a white person kills a black person its a HATE CRIME and BURN the city down if we dont have justice

that is the point

the national news picked up the florida case yet We havent seen a single thing about this story...



the black dude was never charge yet but there is noone bitching about that now is there




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At first, the couple claimed that Adkins had a metal pipe that he swung at them -- but it turns out he was holding a dog leash with his yellow lab on the other end.


yea i really trust the driver after making up a lie like that


like i said THIS WONT MAKE the national news yet the other one does .... and none gives a Care about it

that is what is #)*%_#$ up

and where do you see HE ATTACKED THE DRIVER he swung at the door he never even came in contact with the driver[/QUOTE]

So the trolls are saying you are a troll I don't know your history but in a village of trolls when somebody comes out and starts pointing out other trolls to the troll village it's like "yea and?"

I understand your original post and I think we know why Al and Jesse don't show up... one it's their racism and it doesn't have the formula they look for to take a crisis and exploit it for their own benefit. Anyone with half a brain knows what those losers are about but the media still gives them attention because it starts the circus and people will tune in for a good side show.

Other than that I think generally most people are good and are just to wrapped up in their own lives to "show" outrage for every murder bad thing that happens and aren't even aware of most of it for various reasons.
 
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Hmmmm... seems like the South has a problem with trigger-happy people who want to shoot guns at every scare... "stand your ground"... what a load of bullshit for mentally deranged violent sociopaths.
 
[quote name='Rockinjs']this is just my thoughts exactly even though they don't have the guy at this time I bet it will be less than a week I want to say 3-4 days max before they find and arrest him not like the Zimmerman guy who had the chance to escape before they decided to lock him up and prolly if he didn't decide to go "missing" he would still be free it's just a fact they are double standards that blacks don't get an equal rights compared to /whites/Latinos or anybody in America it's nothing new it's been that way the last 300 years[/QUOTE]


It's been two weeks and no arrests have been made...

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/new...an-shot-at-taco-bell-talks-to-fox-10-04142012

So maybe these "injustices" go both ways?
 
Guys, guys this is clearly a fluke. Every other time the black person would be hunted down and arrested on the spot. /sarcasm
 
This case has actual eyewitnesses, there's more than likely a video of the shooting, no one called 911 and went on a foot chase, and there aren't more than 10 pages of posts defending the guy with ridiculous scenarios saying that the shooting was probably justified. These are just a fraction of the differences here. The shooters father also didn't mail in a letter to the local paper saying that the shooter can't be racist because his mother was white and speaks english.

No one here is "waiting for evidence" to come out and exonerate anyone. If you chuckleheads want to discuss this, then do so and make valid comparisons. Complaining about a lack of coverage is asinine and can be applied to so many other crimes that it's not even worth discussing.
 
You forgot to add that a major thrust of conservatives in the Zimmerman case is that it is race baiting, while you have this case being highlighted as much more of an example of race baiting due to the simple fact that there's almost no similarities between these two cases aside from the cross racial nature of victims involving a claim of self defense against an unarmed person.

The simple fact is that the conservatives are trying to champion this case as an example that Zimmerman didn't involve race in almost the exact same way people have tried to claim racism is dead because we elected a black president.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You forgot to add that a major thrust of conservatives in the Zimmerman case is that it is race baiting, while you have this case being highlighted as much more of an example of race baiting due to the simple fact that there's almost no similarities between these two cases aside from the cross racial nature of victims involving a claim of self defense against an unarmed person.

The simple fact is that the conservatives are trying to champion this case as an example that Zimmerman didn't involve race in almost the exact same way people have tried to claim racism is dead because we elected a black president.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right. I'm glad other people can remember for me. :D
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']
The simple fact is that the conservatives are trying to champion this case as an example that Zimmerman didn't involve race in almost the exact same way people have tried to claim racism is dead because we elected a black president.[/QUOTE]

"that zimmerman didn't involve race" What does that mean? Did zimmerman involve race? When asked by the 911 operator he replied with it. If that is involving race than okay. It has appeared to me that race baiters of all sorts have made the zimmerman/martin case their event for a call to their race baiting cause or agenda.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You forgot to add that a major thrust of conservatives in the Zimmerman case is that it is race baiting, while you have this case being highlighted as much more of an example of race baiting due to the simple fact that there's almost no similarities between these two cases aside from the cross racial nature of victims involving a claim of self defense against an unarmed person.

The simple fact is that the conservatives are trying to champion this case as an example that Zimmerman didn't involve race in almost the exact same way people have tried to claim racism is dead because we elected a black president.[/QUOTE]


That and no arrests were made for quite some time after the killings and both families have been crying for justice... Actually, it seems like quite a lot in common....

So does it only involve race when the white hispanic is the suspect and not the victim?

I mean you've got Trayvon, eating skittles drinking ice tea... minding his own business shot in cold blood. Then you've got this dude, mentally retarded, walking his own dog, shot in cold blood. Witnesses to both incidents so why are they so different?

The only differnce I see is that you don't have the media throwing up pictures of the white hispanic victim when he was 12 to garner sympathy and you don't have the media plastering the paper with mug shots of the black accused.
 
[quote name='GBAstar']That and no arrests were made for quite some time after the killings and both families have been crying for justice... Actually, it seems like quite a lot in common....

So does it only involve race when the white hispanic is the suspect and not the victim?

I mean you've got Trayvon, eating skittles drinking ice tea... minding his own business shot in cold blood. Then you've got this dude, mentally retarded, walking his own dog, shot in cold blood. Witnesses to both incidents so why are they so different?

The only differnce I see is that you don't have the media throwing up pictures of the white hispanic victim when he was 12 to garner sympathy and you don't have the media plastering the paper with mug shots of the black accused.[/QUOTE]

I'll throw it out there. Truth be told "some" of the people who were outraged over zimmerman/trayvon martin case can only be bothered to be outraged it is was one of their own that was the "victim". Or even call it outrage because it is not one their own. I think the same thing can be said about "some" people of many different races in these cases. It's sad but we have to remember those types are a minority among their own races and the human race as a whole.

Also we know how the media drums things up and picks cases based on what can get them ratings.
 
Does the OP seriously not understand why people were outraged at the whole Treyvon Martin situation? If that's the case, he would have to be a really terrible person.
 
[quote name='YendelTrex']"that zimmerman didn't involve race" What does that mean? Did zimmerman involve race? When asked by the 911 operator he replied with it. If that is involving race than okay. It has appeared to me that race baiters of all sorts have made the zimmerman/martin case their event for a call to their race baiting cause or agenda.[/QUOTE]
So what's your criterion for race baiting then?

[quote name='GBAstar']That and no arrests were made for quite some time after the killings and both families have been crying for justice... Actually, it seems like quite a lot in common....[/quote]
If by common, you mean all cases that result in a shooting death, then you'd be correct. Unfortunately for you, the situations are so radically different that you'd have to stretch it pretty far to get to your point.

So does it only involve race when the white hispanic is the suspect and not the victim?
So the shooter doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt? This is news to me because you were posting link afer link after link in the other thread about Zimmerman as if his previous encounters with the police were irrelevant to the shooting as if they were libel.

I mean you've got Trayvon, eating skittles drinking ice tea... minding his own business shot in cold blood. Then you've got this dude, mentally retarded, walking his own dog, shot in cold blood. Witnesses to both incidents so why are they so different?
No one witnessed Zimmerman shoot Martin, there wasn't any possibility of video, there were no witnesses or record of what happened after the 911 call and before the struggle. I'd say these are pretty important differences. And again, no one is defending the shooter here.

The only differnce I see is that you don't have the media throwing up pictures of the white hispanic victim when he was 12 to garner sympathy and you don't have the media plastering the paper with mug shots of the black accused.
This is actually hilarious because in the other thread, you said that race didn't matter and that this should be an indictment on lax guns laws. The irony is palpable.
 
[quote name='dohdough']
No one witnessed Zimmerman shoot Martin, there wasn't any possibility of video, there were no witnesses or record of what happened after the 911 call and before the struggle. I'd say these are pretty important differences. And again, no one is defending the shooter here.
.[/QUOTE]

So there were witnesses and video of this incident that proves right off the bat that charges should be filed? Are charges filed yet?

You are right there are important differences. The other case did not have that as you said.

Are you outraged? Were you outraged by the trayvon/zimmerman case?

Were you outraged from the get go on trayvon/zimmerman case with the little information that was at hand? Are you outraged from the get go on this case with the information that is known about this case?

Why or why not to all the questions?

edit: to answer your first question I can go along with this definition ...."Race baiting is any form of speech, actions, or other forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or race of people",...

edit: I am curious though that you question ME on it ^ when the person I was replying to used race baiting in their post that I quoted more than once but it seemed to be only directed at conservatives. Instead you posted what in your reply to them on the same subject?
Why is this? Aren't you usually the one to post that it isn't always ONE side that does such things? Why not with that poster and his seemingly one-sided view?
HMMMMM Shouldn't you have questioned them on their criteria for race baiting? HMMMMM
 
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[quote name='YendelTrex']So there were witnesses and video of this incident that proves right off the bat that charges should be filed? Are charges filed yet?

You are right there are important differences. The other case did not have that as you said.[/QUOTE]
You mean like actual eyewitnesses to the entire incident that would've led to the immediate arrest of the shooter because charges could've been filed if what you're asserting is true in the Atkins case? You didn't think this through very much, did you?

Are you outraged? Were you outraged by the trayvon/zimmerman case?
No one's being portrayed as a white knight or thug in this case nor does either party respectively have a habit of arguing with random dog walkers or random cars at a drive through. Atkins was developmentally challenged and he shouldn't have been shot, but that doesn't mean that they're the exact same thing that warrant the exact same public out cry. Hell, since you're so outraged by it, why don't you gather up some like-minded people and do a march at the nearest/biggest black neighborhood and proclaim that you want justice for Atkins.

Were you outraged from the get go on trayvon/zimmerman case with the little information that was at hand? Are you outraged from the get go on this case with the information that is known about this case?

Why or why not to all the questions?
Why should I have the same outrage if the only things the case have in common is someone being shot and killed with one person being black and another white. If you're trying to expose me as a hypocrite, you're going to have to look deeper than using tenuous reasoning.

edit: to answer your first question I can go along with this definition ...."Race baiting is any form of speech, actions, or other forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or race of people",...
So in other words, you and all the other white knights in this thread are race baiting. Glad we cleared up your confusion.

edit: I am curious though that you question ME on it ^ when the person I was replying to used race baiting in their post that I quoted more than once but it seemed to be only directed at conservatives. Instead you posted what in your reply to them on the same subject?
Why is this? Aren't you usually the one to post that it isn't always ONE side that does such things? Why not with that poster and his seemingly one-sided view?
HMMMMM Shouldn't you have questioned them on their criteria for race baiting? HMMMMM
Hahaha...why should I question him? I know exactly what he means and I agree with him. I'm not the one denying race was an integral part of the Martin case and while there might be a racial component in this one, it's still not the same type(not talking black shooter:white victim) and it's from a perspective that you don't really understand, one of which is that you don't get to trot out the race card while throwing out the history of race relations(more like domination) in this country.
 
dohdough why don't you answer the questions instead of playing your usual spin doctor and BS answer a question with a question ploy and inserting things I didn't say? You know like saying that I am "outraged by IT".

How am I race baiting genuis?

Oh yes and I didn't throw out a "race card" "while throwing out the history of race relations".

What the f is wrong with you. Oh and I don't have to point out that you are a hypocrite you do a fine job all on your own.

I know I know you will not answer any questions. You really don't have to as your ramblings are enough for anyone to see what kind of person you are.
 
Here I will answer my own questions...

So there were witnesses and video of this incident that proves right off the bat that charges should be filed? Going on the posts here YES.
Are charges filed yet? NO as far as I know and from the posts here.

Are you outraged? NO
Were you outraged by the trayvon/zimmerman case? No
I didn't have an extremely strong reaction of anger or shock. Both cases are tragic as many other cases are as well.

Were you outraged from the get go on trayvon/zimmerman case with the little information that was at hand? NO
Are you outraged from the get go on this case with the information that is known about this case? No




See not so hard.
 
[quote name='YendelTrex']dohdough why don't you answer the questions instead of playing your usual spin doctor and BS answer a question with a question ploy and inserting things I didn't say? You know like saying that I am "outraged by IT".[/QUOTE]
If you're going to ask me yes/no questions in order to guide the conversation, save yourself the effort and just make your point. Asking me about the existance of video or an actual arrest are inconsequential because while we can assume with very high probablity that there is actual video and that there was no arrest, you're implying something. If you're saying that I'm avoiding your questions by not providing yes/no answers, then I'd have to say that you're asking loaded questions considering your whining about me playing spin doctor.

How am I race baiting genuis?
You provided your own definition. Now apply it to yourself, slidecage, and GBAstar to see if it fits. Oh, and show your work.

Here's what I came up with using your definition:
- slidecage is the biggest offender because he consistantly brings up the lack of outrage when a black person kills a white person. Hell, just look at the thread title and who made up the thread. slidecage is known for making stupid threads with stupid posts.

- GBAstar doesn't do it as much and started off rather neutral, but started skirting the same line as slidecage on this very page
[quote name='GBAstar']That and no arrests were made for quite some time after the killings and both families have been crying for justice... Actually, it seems like quite a lot in common....

So does it only involve race when the white hispanic is the suspect and not the victim?

I mean you've got Trayvon, eating skittles drinking ice tea... minding his own business shot in cold blood. Then you've got this dude, mentally retarded, walking his own dog, shot in cold blood. Witnesses to both incidents so why are they so different?

The only differnce I see is that you don't have the media throwing up pictures of the white hispanic victim when he was 12 to garner sympathy and you don't have the media plastering the paper with mug shots of the black accused.[/QUOTE]


- As for you, well, you're just jumping into the same bandwagon as the other two.
[quote name='YendelTrex']So there were witnesses and video of this incident that proves right off the bat that charges should be filed? Are charges filed yet?

You are right there are important differences. The other case did not have that as you said.

Are you outraged? Were you outraged by the trayvon/zimmerman case?

Were you outraged from the get go on trayvon/zimmerman case with the little information that was at hand? Are you outraged from the get go on this case with the information that is known about this case?

Why or why not to all the questions?

edit: to answer your first question I can go along with this definition ...."Race baiting is any form of speech, actions, or other forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or race of people",...

edit: I am curious though that you question ME on it ^ when the person I was replying to used race baiting in their post that I quoted more than once but it seemed to be only directed at conservatives. Instead you posted what in your reply to them on the same subject?
Why is this? Aren't you usually the one to post that it isn't always ONE side that does such things? Why not with that poster and his seemingly one-sided view?
HMMMMM Shouldn't you have questioned them on their criteria for race baiting? HMMMMM[/QUOTE]
Pffft...as if every shooting in the world is the same.:roll:


Summary is that if you aren't trying to incite a particular group about...oh wait, you never provided a definition that defined what that "about" is. I guess I'll just have to assume that you were talking about race and issues regarding race. Or maybe I should just leave that part out and take you literally. So when you're calling me an idiot, I guess you're race baiting me there too...according to the definition you provided.

Oh yes and I didn't throw out a "race card" "while throwing out the history of race relations".
You made an equivalence between this case and the Martin case while saying that no one gives a shit when the victim is white. Where's the outrage, right?

If you can't understand the difference, then it's obvious that you're throwing out the history of racial domination in this country in regards to how context changes when there's a white shooter:black victim and vice versa.

What the f is wrong with you. Oh and I don't have to point out that you are a hypocrite you do a fine job all on your own.
Evidence?

I know I know you will not answer any questions. You really don't have to as your ramblings are enough for anyone to see what kind of person you are.
AhaAHAhAha...what kind of person am I? Provide examples with proof.
 
[quote name='YendelTrex']Why or why not to all the questions?
[/QUOTE]

It's apparent that this asks for or to give the reasons/reasoning behind the answerrs to the other questions.

The rest is just the same old rambling BULLSHIT from doddough.

Dude is a mental case at best.
 
[quote name='YendelTrex']It's apparent that this asks for or to give the reasons/reasoning behind the answerrs to the other questions.

The rest is just the same old rambling BULLSHIT from doddough.

Dude is a mental case at best.[/QUOTE]
Uhhhh...wut? Didn't you just assail me for NOT answering your questions the way you wanted me to in TWO posts on THIS VERY PAGE? Shit, this thread is only two pages long and you've only posted on this one. edit: and your last post makes it three!

I don't think I'm the one with the problems here, buddy.

I might've mistakenly shit on bob because I was trying to keep up with 3 conversations at once, but you only need to follow this one. What's your excuse?

[quote name='YendelTrex']dohdough why don't you answer the questions instead of playing your usual spin doctor and BS answer a question with a question ploy and inserting things I didn't say? You know like saying that I am "outraged by IT".

How am I race baiting genuis?

Oh yes and I didn't throw out a "race card" "while throwing out the history of race relations".

What the f is wrong with you. Oh and I don't have to point out that you are a hypocrite you do a fine job all on your own.

I know I know you will not answer any questions. You really don't have to as your ramblings are enough for anyone to see what kind of person you are.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='YendelTrex']Here I will answer my own questions...

So there were witnesses and video of this incident that proves right off the bat that charges should be filed? Going on the posts here YES.
Are charges filed yet? NO as far as I know and from the posts here.

Are you outraged? NO
Were you outraged by the trayvon/zimmerman case? No
I didn't have an extremely strong reaction of anger or shock. Both cases are tragic as many other cases are as well.

Were you outraged from the get go on trayvon/zimmerman case with the little information that was at hand? NO
Are you outraged from the get go on this case with the information that is known about this case? No

See not so hard.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='pippin']Does the OP seriously not understand why people were outraged at the whole Treyvon Martin situation? If that's the case, he would have to be a really terrible person.[/QUOTE]

no im sick of the people like jesse jackson and the rest of them just sticking their nose in it to blow it up 1000X bigger then it should of been..and love how noone is calling BS about all of the FAKE TAPES NBC And other have put out about what the person said .. they edited the tapes so bad just to make it look like a hate crime


should zimmerman been arrested yes..

i find it funny how people can put a bounty out on head of zimmer yet the police dont look into that.


good luck trying to find a jury to try this and it was just plain stupid to go for 2nd degree murder they should of tried for something lower cause its going to be very hard to get a 2nd degree done .
 
[quote name='dohdough']So what's your criterion for race baiting then?


If by common, you mean all cases that result in a shooting death, then you'd be correct. Unfortunately for you, the situations are so radically different that you'd have to stretch it pretty far to get to your point.


So the shooter doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt? This is news to me because you were posting link afer link after link in the other thread about Zimmerman as if his previous encounters with the police were irrelevant to the shooting as if they were libel.


No one witnessed Zimmerman shoot Martin, there wasn't any possibility of video, there were no witnesses or record of what happened after the 911 call and before the struggle. I'd say these are pretty important differences. And again, no one is defending the shooter here.


This is actually hilarious because in the other thread, you said that race didn't matter and that this should be an indictment on lax guns laws. The irony is palpable.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely failing to see what people are pointing out between these two cases. Besides the nutjobs noone was saying that zimmerman shouldn't be arrested. They were pointing out that the public had already convicted him based on 1) His race to the victims race 2) Rumors and half facts 3) Fortune tellers. They were basically saying to let him get a fair trial in all of this. Sure you can argue people were just as pushing the self defense line, but most people touting that were talking about a trial or police investigation.

So here is a question for you, let's remove race from this topic. Is it still an injustice when a man kills another man for no good reason and does not get arrested? Why is it that this case didn't make national news? As you say it is even more cut and dried than the Zimmerman case with all the witnesses and cameras, I would think it would be even easier for the media to get upset over someone not getting arrested.
 
[quote name='Knoell']You are absolutely failing to see what people are pointing out between these two cases. Besides the nutjobs noone was saying that zimmerman shouldn't be arrested. They were pointing out that the public had already convicted him based on 1) His race to the victims race 2) Rumors and half facts 3) Fortune tellers. They were basically saying to let him get a fair trial in all of this. Sure you can argue people were just as pushing the self defense line, but most people touting that were talking about a trial or police investigation.[/quote]
I'm not failing to see shit. It's the fucking thread title and in several posts. This is exactly the type of sentiment that spilled over from the other thread regarding how people only care if it's a black person beat/shot/killed by a white person/people. It's a lame attempt to highlight the joke of a concept called "reverse racism."

So here is a question for you, let's remove race from this topic. Is it still an injustice when a man kills another man for no good reason and does not get arrested? Why is it that this case didn't make national news? As you say it is even more cut and dried than the Zimmerman case with all the witnesses and cameras, I would think it would be even easier for the media to get upset over someone not getting arrested.
Why doesn't every single case make national news then? There are about dozen cases that I've been following for the last year that haven't made national news that are very similar, and in some cases worse, than the Martin case because they were actually perpetrated by the police.

You don't get to remove race from the topic when you've already established that it's an integral part of your argument. It's the whole reason why we're talking about it in the first place.
 
I think someone forgot to bump the thread where they asked me to answer some questions in detail(which I did), got pissy when I didn't answer them in a yes/no fashion, got even more pissy when I called them out on it, and doubled down on said pissy-ness by saying that I should've answered the questions in detail to begin with.

You can't make this shit up.:rofl:
 
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