Black Woman is tortured in W. VA mobile home

[quote name='loserkid']To a degree, I concur with CoffeeEdge here. You see, I am from Logan County, not but maybe 10-15 minutes from the crime scene. My mother, a paralegal for a local worker's compensation law firm, actually knew some of these people. It's a sickening crime and I'm not taking away from it in the slightest. All I'm saying is that people find it terrible to attack other races (and I agree, it is sickening) but some have no trouble at all attacking southerners and Appalachian Folk. Some (not all) people see us as nothing more than inbred backwoods folk (and obviously this story does nothing but to perpetuate the stereotype).

That's another point, the media has probably the single-most powerful ability to form the nation's outlook on a certain race, gender, or even in this case, region. Tell me, anytime you hear of WV on the news, it will have to do with a mining or something awful like this. There is rarely a positive mention of the state. I don't think crunchb3rry or cracka said their original comments with malice, but that's a fine example of the way we can be treated due in large part to the media.

I'm a smart kid. Not a genius, but I can hold my own. You know what sickens me? When I move from West Virginia to get a job, I'm going to have change my accent for the chance that I will be labeled as incompetent or dumb because of my dialect and accent. You could say I'm overblowing this, but sadly it's the truth, and in all honesty you're part of the problem.

I'm by no means a perfect kid and I know I've judged people in the past, so don't think I'm trying take a "holier than thou" approach. I just feel Appalachian Folk are dealt a raw deal, and the worst part? Nobody cares.[/QUOTE]

No I definitely wasn't meaning anything mean by my original comment, and I wasn't referring to southerners as inbred backwoods people either, (i'm from the deep south).
 
[quote name='loserkid']I'm by no means a perfect kid and I know I've judged people in the past, so don't think I'm trying take a "holier than thou" approach. I just feel Appalachian Folk are dealt a raw deal, and the worst part? Nobody cares.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you guys really have it rough. When somebody locks you in a small shed, feeds you animal waste, stabs you, and sexually abuses you all because you're from the South, maybe I'll sympathize.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Indeed. Like I said, already, I'm being made the bad guy, because I took offense at this regionally-based (joking or not) statement.[/QUOTE]
Oh, and here I thought it was because you were being a douche.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No, actually, you just can't find a way of making an offensive joke about a stereotype of Southern/Backwoods/Appalachian/whatever people okay when you're confronted about it, and you're taking the easy way out.[/QUOTE]

I'm from the south, why would I try to stereotype myself?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No, actually, you just can't find a way of making an offensive joke about a stereotype of Southern/Backwoods/Appalachian/whatever people okay when you're confronted about it, and you're taking the easy way out.


Why? Would you vote to ban becuzimbrown if he stood up for himself over someone insulting his race/ethnic group/regional group/whatever?


Give up, I see? Eh, you were too easy.[/QUOTE]

Hang this cracka
 
[quote name='Cracka']No I definitely wasn't meaning anything mean by my original comment, and I wasn't referring to southerners as inbred backwoods people either, (i'm from the deep south).[/QUOTE]
So, you can make offensive and stereotypical hate speech, as long as you declare it as a joke/didn't-mean-it sorta thing afterwards.

Delightful.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']So, you can make offensive and stereotypical hate speech, as long as you declare it as a joke/didn't-mean-it sorta thing afterwards.

Delightful.[/QUOTE]

I'd like you to point out this terribly offensive and sterotypical hate speech for me there buddy
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Yeah, you guys really have it rough. When somebody locks you in a small shed, feeds you animal waste, stabs you, and sexually abuses you all because you're from the South, maybe I'll sympathize.[/quote]
So, being negatively stereotyped (often to the point of being denied opportunities, in the same way that that women and minorities often suffer), often as inbred, degenerate, and murderous by millions of people isn't anything to complain about, because, statistically, more black people are kidnapped and tortured by whites, than whites by black (which does happen, I'm sure). Huh. Glad to know.

So, when my family was nearly run out of a coastal community which my dad saved for his entire life to buy a piece of property on, by a bunch of rich retirees from up north because we didn't quite fit in with their elite vision for the neighborhood, we shouldn't have been upset at all, because hey, we weren't lynched that week, huh? Well, God bless us, every one!

Yeah, you are definitely the douche here.
 
[quote name='Cracka']I'd like you to point out this terribly offensive and sterotypical hate speech for me there buddy[/QUOTE]
Uh, when you claimed that hearing banjo music is cause for alarm, because it appearantly indicate that one is soon going to be kidnapped and tortured by "backwoods people"? How "bad" that statement was is inconsequential. It's hate speech nonetheless.

Again, if I said "watch out, because when you hear rap music, it means you're going to be caught in a drive-by from some black gangstas," yeah, that wouldn't have flown too far. But these two statements are exactly the same, only the names have changed. And yet, it's okay to say one, but not the other.

Yeah, that's a bit of a double standard.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh, when you claimed that hearing banjo music is cause for alarm, indicating that you're soon going to be kidnapped and tortured by "backwoods people"? How "bad" that statement was is inconsequential. It's hate speech nonetheless.

Again, if I said "watch out, because when you hear rap music, it means you're going to be caught in a drive-by," yeah, that wouldn't have flown too far.[/QUOTE]

No i didn't say change my words around and give me some more asshat analogies, i said what did I say.

I said Backwoods people are messed up. When you hear the banjo you better run like hell.

I'm not sure how many times i'm gonna have to point this out until it starts making sense to you but that comment was referring to the movie Deliverance.. which if you recall is a movie about "backwoods people" who "kidnapped" and "tortured" people after playing a "banjo". And in the movie "hearing the banjo music" was a "cause for alarm."

You keep saying this shit about hearing rap music meaning you're going to be shot in a drive-by, like that is in any way related to what I said. My statement was a reference to a movie, yours is just some random sentence you pulled outta your ass.
 
[quote name='Cracka']No i didn't say change my words around and give me some more asshat analogies, i said what did I say.

I said Backwoods people are messed up. When you hear the banjo you better run like hell.

I'm not sure how many times i'm gonna have to point this out until it starts making sense to you but that comment was referring to the movie Deliverance.. which if you recall is a movie about "backwoods people" who "kidnapped" and "tortured" people after playing a "banjo". And in the movie "hearing the banjo music" was a "cause for alarm."

You keep saying this shit about hearing rap music meaning you're going to be shot in a drive-by, like that is in any way related to what I said. My statement was a reference to a movie, yours is just some random sentence you pulled outta your ass.[/QUOTE]
Okay, fine, what you said was a joking reference to the movie, I fucking get it.

But if I said the thing about black/rap/drive-by in a thread detailing a racial crime against a white person, but I meant it as a reference to, I dunno, Boyz in the Hood or something, I'd still be strung up, no doubt. That's the point. There's a huge double standard.

What I'm offended by now is less your post itself, but the double standard evident in the way people react to your post.
 
While he did not reply too kindly to my "water poisoning" quip, I do have to agree with CoffeeEdge here. Whether the remarks be made toward African Americans, Hispanics, people of Asian descent, or " Southern folk," racist or ignorant remarks are just that: racist or ignorant remarks. Why is it acceptable to make remarks about whites, or Southern individuals, and have it not only be accepted, but encouraged by our society, and yet treat remarks about other groups, such as African Americans, as completely hateful? The fact is, any joke made with malicious intent, drawing out and making fun of stereotypical features of ANY group of people is hateful, regardless of the group. Just because something is "socially acceptable" doesn't mean it's right.

Oh, and just as a side note: My "water supply" comment? Wasn't joking.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Okay, fine, what you said was a joking reference to the movie, I fucking get it.

But if I said the thing about black/rap/drive-by in a thread detailing a racial crime against a white person, but I meant it as a reference to, I dunno, Boyz in the Hood or something, I'd still be strung up, no doubt. That's the point. There's a huge double standard.

What I'm offended by now is less your post itself, but the double standard evident in the way people react to your post.[/QUOTE]

How bout this, In the movie Friday Big Worm drives an ice cream truck. He later does a driveby on craig and smokey. If somebody made a post in a thread and said Inner city people are crazy, if you hear the ice cream truck comin you better run. Nobody would be offended, especially if they knew what the reference was from.

There's no double standard, people reacted to my post the way they did because it wasn't offensive, and people reacted to your posts the way they did because you're going out of your way to be a douche
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']AAAGGHHH. I'M GUNNA BE A DOUCHEBAG FOREVER. I'M BEIN' RECORDED ON THE INTERNET FOR ETERNITY BEIN' A DOUCHEBAG. WHEN MY BODY RETURNS TO THE LOOM AND THE CITIES ARE BUT DUST, ALIEN CIVILIZATIONS WILL KNOW THAT I AM A DOUCHEBAG. THEY WILL KNOW. THE NEROMANCERS WALKING THE WASTELANDS WILL CARRY HIGH MY STANDARD OF DOUCHEBAGGERY. I AM ONE WITH THE GODS. [/QUOTE]

You're gonna miss everything cool and die angry.
 
[quote name='Cracka']How bout this, In the movie Friday Big Worm drives an ice cream truck. He later does a driveby on craig and smokey. If somebody made a post in a thread and said Inner city people are crazy, if you hear the ice cream truck comin you better run. Nobody would be offended, especially if they knew what the reference was from.

There's no double standard, people reacted to my post the way they did because it wasn't offensive, and people reacted to your posts the way they did because you're going out of your way to be a douche[/quote]

Its coffee edge, get used to it. He is a giant douche that does not know when to shut it.
 
[quote name='Cracka']There's no double standard, people reacted to my post the way they did because it wasn't offensive[/QUOTE]
You keep telling yourself that.

Sensitivities are subjective, different in every person. Of course some people won't find it offensive, just like some people don't take "nigger" offensively.

But I thought it was really offensive, and to think that I'm wrong for that, well, that's pretty fucked up, I think.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']You keep telling yourself that.

Sensitivities are subjective, different in every person. Of course some people won't find it offensive, just like some people don't take "nigger" offensively.

But I thought it was really offensive, and to think that I'm wrong for that, well, that's pretty fucked up, I think.[/QUOTE]

Ok goodnight
 
[quote name='joshythegreat18']While he did not reply too kindly to my "water poisoning" quip, I do have to agree with CoffeeEdge here. Whether the remarks be made toward African Americans, Hispanics, people of Asian descent, or " Southern folk," racist or ignorant remarks are just that: racist or ignorant remarks. Why is it acceptable to make remarks about whites, or Southern individuals, and have it not only be accepted, but encouraged by our society, and yet treat remarks about other groups, such as African Americans, as completely hateful? The fact is, any joke made with malicious intent, drawing out and making fun of stereotypical features of ANY group of people is hateful, regardless of the group. Just because something is "socially acceptable" doesn't mean it's right.

Oh, and just as a side note: My "water supply" comment? Wasn't joking.[/QUOTE]
Thank god, someone with some sense. But sorry, you're going to get shot down for believing that way, because, of course, only racism towards minorities counts. Sigh.

Oh, and no real reason, by the way. Just saw it and ran with it.
 
Look at the eyes of those six sick fucks and there is no soul. I wish all six of them could get the death penalty.....
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Thank god, someone with some sense. But sorry, you're going to get shot down for believing that way, because, of course, only racism towards minorities counts. Sigh.

Oh, and no real reason, by the way. Just saw it and ran with it.[/QUOTE]

The difference being that he can get his point across without a thousand-word diatribe, without false bravado, and without bein' a bitch.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Thank god, someone with some sense. But sorry, you're going to get shot down for believing that way, because, of course, only racism towards minorities counts. Sigh.

Oh, and no real reason, by the way. Just saw it and ran with it.[/QUOTE]

Are you now implying that i said something racist?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Thank god, someone with some sense. But sorry, you're going to get shot down for believing that way, because, of course, only racism towards minorities counts. Sigh.

Oh, and no real reason, by the way. Just saw it and ran with it.[/QUOTE]


I'm assuming you're now calling me a racist?

I'm white, so if I say the word "cracka" do you consider that to make me a racist? just curious

I dont feel like waiting for your answer, and really dont want to read the ignorance that you're going to post anyways so I'll go ahead and make this point real quick.

Racism is showing hatred towards another race. My sn and avatar saying cracka isn't racist. I'm white, and my sn and avatar aren't showing hatred towards any race , therefore it's not racist.

backwoods people, is not a race therefore not racist.

And i was showing no hatred towards any group.

Stop making false accusations, and if anything your posts were racist and offensive.

the end
 
[quote name='Cracka']I'm assuming you're now calling me a racist?

I'm white, so if I say the word "cracka" do you consider that to make me a racist? just curious

I dont feel like waiting for your answer, and really dont want to read the ignorance that you're going to post anyways so I'll go ahead and make this point real quick.

Racism is showing hatred towards another race. My sn and avatar saying cracka isn't racist. I'm white, and my sn and avatar aren't showing hatred towards any race , therefore it's not racist.

backwoods people, is not a race therefore not racist.

And i was showing no hatred towards any group.

Stop making false accusations, and if anything your posts were racist and offensive.

the end[/QUOTE]

"racism" wasn't the wrong word, I guess. "Group-name-here-ism," how's that?

You seem to think that because you're white, you can make negative, stereotypical statements like that about any specific group of people who just happen to be white. Shit, dude, we're all humans, so by extrapolation, your explanation means that we can all make hate speech towards each other, because we're all humans.

You made a generalized statement negatively stereotyping a specific group. Tell me how that isn't hate speech. Just fucking try. Not super hateful, perhaps, but hate speech by definition.
 
Random trivia: Did you know the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia? Of course, anywhere else and it would have been called the teethbrush.;)
 
[quote name='mikej012']Random trivia: Did you know the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia? Of course, anywhere else and it would have been called the teethbrush.;)[/QUOTE]
Hate speech!! :roll:
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']"racism" wasn't the wrong word, I guess. "Group-name-here-ism," how's that?

You seem to think that because you're white, you can make negative, stereotypical statements like that about any specific group of people who just happen to be white. Shit, dude, we're all humans, so by extrapolation, your explanation means that we can all make hate speech towards each other, because we're all humans.

You made a generalized statement negatively stereotyping a specific group. Tell me how that isn't hate speech. Just fucking try. Not super hateful, perhaps, but hate speech by definition.[/QUOTE]

If the fictional characters in Deliverance that i was referring to were offended by my post then i sincerely apologize to them.

If they actually existed i'm sure they would greatly appreciate your effort
 
Perhaps I can alleviate some of the "hard feelings" on here by trying to explain what CoffeeEdge is trying to say (and some people may not be willing to listen to because of what they see as self-righteous or long-winded speech). Please correct me, CoffeeEdge, if I'm mistaken:

The main point isn't that certain individuals on this board are outrageously offended, the real point that CoffeeEdge is trying to point out is the double standard that exists, not necessarily on this board (although he feels that way), but in society in general.

Certain stereotypes in our society are deemed "socially unaceptable." These stereotypes typically revolve around individuals who have suffered great persecution, such as African Americans or the Jews. Individuals who make stereotypical remarks about such groups of people are considered "racists," or at the very least, are said to have made "racist remarks," and are often belittled for their views. If any of us were to go into an area that is predominantly African American and use the "N word," it's hard to argue that we wouldn't be either the object of great disgust, or worse, perhaps "taught a lesson" (either rightly or wrongly, depending on your views). It's a fact of life that some things are just looked down upon by society. This happens to be one of them. Perhaps because individauls feel responsible for certain wrongs perpetrated against these groups in the past, or because of other reasons, I don't know, but it's clear that many in society try to steer clear of making certain types of remarks about such groups.

However, in the same society, one could argue (as CoffeeEdge has) that similar remarks made against other groups (in this case, Southern individuals) are not only accepted, but encouraged. If you go around town and make remarks that are based on stereotypes of Southern people, chances are that not only would you not be sanctioned for such remarks, but perhaps would even be encouraged to continue with such remarks (by either friends' laughter, or simply by the fact that you weren't told to quit it). Even if you don't consider this to be racist or "wrong," it's also a fact that groups of people who were not persecuted in such ways (such as those from the south) are not treated the same when it comes to jokes or stereotypes. It's just more commonly accepted to make fun of these groups.

I think the point that's being missed is that, while many people don't see it as equivalent or as harmful, some on this board do. And, personally, while I'm not really offended by either type of remark (I'm just not that sensitive to remarks, no matter how ignorant they are), I tend to agree with CoffeeEdge. As somebody else mentioned, and which I believe (although I haven't personally been a part of it), stereotypes can be just as harmful to Southern individuals as they can be to African Americans. I can't imagine going into a job interview and being turned down because somebody thought I was "stupid," "backwards," or "inbred." Nor can I imagine how I'd feel if I went into the same interview and was stared at as if I was about to attack somebody, steal something, or be turned down because I was thought to be "too lazy" (stereotypes associated with African Americans).

Cracka, I think what CoffeeEdge was trying to get at with you was that your name and avatar use the term "cracka," which, while many may not find offensive, is a back-handed slang term referring to white people. I personally didn't get the reference (I never saw the movie), but "backwoods people" is, in the same light, a term referring (from what I gather) to those from the south. The point (at least I believe) is the inconsistency in which these types of terms are used. If I were to say the N word, which is just a way of referring to African Americans (no matter how horrible people may find it), I would be flamed nonstop. If I were to use these other terms, however, nobody would even think twice about it. I think the point that CoffeeEdge was making is, "What's the difference?" It's our society's perception of what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not, that determines why we react the way we do to each of these terms. CoffeeEdge and others think that there is no difference between referring to different groups by such names, as they're each simply terms that (as seen by many) poke fun at or degrade these groups. Just because society tells us one is ok, and one is not, doesn't mean that it's right. I think the whole point wasn't that you're being racist, but simply to point out the inconsistency with which our society could argue the N word (used to degrade or poke fun at African Americans) is unacceptable, while at the same time paying no attention to terms such as "cracka" or "backwoods people."

Sorry for the extremely long-winded post. I tried to be as brief as I could while still trying to give my take on the situation. Also please forgive me if I wasn't as clear as I could be. I'm tired and have to be up for class in 4 1/2 hours :roll:. Comments are always welcome.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Okay, I get it, you gave up. You don't have to keep proving it.[/QUOTE]

It's like some fuckin' Bizarro world where Al Sharpton is white and argues on the internet. Shittily.
 
[quote name='Greetard']It's like some fuckin' Bizarro world where Al Sharpton is white and argues on the internet. Shittily.[/QUOTE]
It's even more embarrassing because he seems to be under the impression that I *care*.

By the way, post #64 made me laugh loud enough to get looks from my coworkers. Good work.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Hmmm ...



You know, I think I'm just going to sit this one out. :whistle2:k[/QUOTE]
Wow, I can't believe that I hadn't added that pedo fuck to my ignore list yet. Done.

At this rate, the thread will end up looking the same way for me, too.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']It's even more embarrassing because he seems to be under the impression that I *care*.

By the way, post #64 made me laugh loud enough to get looks from my coworkers. Good work.[/QUOTE]

I ripped it from Patton Oswalt's Werewolves and Lollipops. He was handling a heckler who kept on "wooo"-ing during his routine, and now it's my favorite insult.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Wow, I can't believe that I hadn't added that pedo fuck to my ignore list yet. Done.

At this rate, the thread will end up looking the same way for me, too.[/QUOTE]

It's funny pathetic that you claim other people are giving up on the "argument", yet you ignore them so that you can no longer see them proving you to be an incompetent fool.

Way to be, cracker, way to be.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']West Virginia...there's places you don't want to go up in those hills.[/quote]


fuck yeah virginia and west virginia both. both those states disturb the hell ou tof me because of areas like that. just stick to the mian roads and never never fuckin try and take a short cut or scenic route.
 
[quote name='lokizz']fuck yeah virginia and west virginia both. both those states disturb the hell ou tof me because of areas like that. just stick to the mian roads and never never fuckin try and take a short cut or scenic route.[/QUOTE]


trust me PA aint much better, In between Philly and Pittsburgh, there is nothing besides Harrisburg. You might as well be below the mason dixon line for the amount of confederate flags you see if you go off the turnpike. PA used to have one of the highest number of Clan members in Northern America and a Grand Dragon used to have a kid in my school district.
 
ok after reading some of these posts everybody needs to freakin chiil. people are way too damn sensitive these days and its too damn sad. race shouldnt be an issue all that matters is some sick fuckin people treated a human being in an extremely less than human way. race only enters into it because yes they said they targeted her because she was black.

shit liek this happens on both ends of the spectrum diff races target diff races for the color of their skin and it sucks. its exreme cases like this that kind of rattle you out of your comfort zone because as bad as the world can be its pretty disturbing to get examples liek this that let you know you cant et too comfy in your world because crazy liek this exists.

were all diff races here and many of us have probably experienced some form of racism covert or overt and maybe some fo us have even done or said things that could be considered racist . but cmon why the fuck the need for a freakin riot on the boards? this is one of the few message boards ive been on where you dont get alot of racist hate crap or drama or arguments over race. and though i think its cool to be able to discuss all topics lets not get over excited about it.

dont dwell on the skin its not whats most important and at the very least lets all just agree that what happened was very very wrong and those responsible should be punished.
 
Is Coffee Edge banned yet? They should just somehow ban him from OT and put him in Politics so he can get raped intellectually.
 
Its a shame that such a horrible event happened.

Its also a shame that its being overshadowed because someone got picked on from afar when he rode the bus and feels the need to protect his race because of that...

Seriously after page 2 its been 3 pages of arguing over bullshit. Make another damn thread for your own personal issues. The girl was told while being tortured that it was because she was black.It is a hate crime and should be treated as one.

I dont give a fuck about the little argument on the side, because it has nothing to do with the topic in which i came to read, If i wanted to read about it i would have went into that thread(hint hint)
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']To draw a parallel that really pisses me off to no extent: Back when I used to ride the city buses here in town, I'd always have a half-hour or so wait at the stupid transfer station downtown. From time to time, I was harassed by typically high-school aged African-American individuals, who, aside from the usual "geek" cracks, weren't afraid to toss combinations of profanity and slurs of all sorts at me, usually from a distance, while passing by, followed by bouts of snickering, all perfectly audible by anyone sitting nearby. No one would ever say a word.[/quote]

I know what you're saying here, unfortunately I think you let the "OT Police" posters bait you into losing your cool.

JoshyTheGreat really summed up the issue well.

As a side note, I was watching Morning Coffee with Jeff Scarborough this morning (it was at the gym) and he said - "let's just skip this story, no good can come from talking about it" Come on - what a BS excuse, esp when the next story was Britney Spears.
 
Here's something I'll throw out to those arguing (to men only I guess):

Do you get offended when women make jokes about men? Do you think it's serious/damaging? Why?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Racism ain't just Archie Bunker and Don Imus - as Coffee Edge points out, not only is it highly unlikely that this kind of overt act will ever go away, keep in mind that covert racism goes on every day, all around us, in our very lives.



I guess you just want to have an opinion, regardless of how misinformed you may be. I will also guess that you've never looked over the FBI criteria for classifying a crime as a "hate crime."[/QUOTE]
you are correct, i have never looked at the FBI criteria for a hate crime, and i bet you have never calculated the number of hate crimes reported in the news that were anyone being charged other than a caucasian or non caucasian individuals being convicted of a hate crime

also i dont consider threadcrapping stating your opinion on the op's thoughts or purpose, especially in the off topic forum.

i do not, however, in any shape or form condone or support the actions these idiots took with this girl. on the same note, someone responded with a stereotype of individuals living in WV and stated "we know how they are there" implying that all WV's are racist. that is absurd.

i know my location is northern VA but i am in the military and from Louisana and i dont sterotype any area with everyone, maybe a majority, but not all occupants of a geographic area
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Hmmm ...



You know, I think I'm just going to sit this one out. :whistle2:k[/quote]Yikes, that sort of ignore list must make CAG an awfully boring place at times. :lol:
 
EDIT: I've now read the past 5 pages, and expect my ass-raping post haste. BTW, Joshythegreat did an excellent job of summarizing the topic and alos my feeling on the issue.

EDIT 2: I'm just going to remove it. It won't be received how I intended it, and Lord knows this thread has carried on long enough.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Indeed, I notice this in the media as well.

To draw a parallel that really pisses me off to no extent: Back when I used to ride the city buses here in town, I'd always have a half-hour or so wait at the stupid transfer station downtown. From time to time, I was harassed by typically high-school aged African-American individuals, who, aside from the usual "geek" cracks, weren't afraid to toss combinations of profanity and slurs of all sorts at me, usually from a distance, while passing by, followed by bouts of snickering, all perfectly audible by anyone sitting nearby. No one would ever say a word.

But I'll be damned, if I was to (COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICALLY, BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER ACTUALLY DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS NOT COOL AT ALL) shout something along the lines of "fuck off, niggers," good lord, I'd be either carried, thrown, or beaten right the fuck out of that terminal, probably by the on-guard police officer (who, by my recollection, was an African-American individual himself, for what that's worth).[/quote]

I have a story to share. I've lived in Baltimore county for around 10 years now. I moved to the county from the city where I lived another 8 or so years. I moved to the United States from the USSR.

When I first got here, I had never seen a black person in my life. Obviously, I was intruiged. I soon began to experience racism and an overall double standard when it comes to black-on-white racism. I went to middle school in the city where black-on-white racism was not only tolerated, but pretty much common. My middle school was about 70/30 black/white. My high school in the county was about 70/30 white/black. There, racism was pretty much unheard of. If any "incidents" ever did arise, it was kept on the down low a lot of the time.. I guess to protect whoever was involved.

For the longest time, I hated black people. I didn't understand why they could talk shit to you but you couldn't say anything back. Eventually, I realized that not all of them were like that... and just like you have racist whites, you have racist blacks too. That being said, I don't think I'm racist now... but I have a lot of Russian friends who haven't been in the country as long as I have who absolutely despise black people for some of the things they're allowed to say and get away with...
 
Here's the main point that everyone who is backing coffee seems to be missing.

Coffee states that white on black racism is highly untollerated, but black on white racism is let to slide. Thus he tried to argue the hell out of me about my screen name and avatar

I don't know if one is more tollerated than the other, but that has nothing to do with my sn and avatar considering 'm a white male with a sn that can be taken as racist against white people. I'm not racist against my own race. And even if that were the case, that would be white on white racism which would have nothing to do with whether white on black or black on white racism is more tollerated.

He has been making this entire argument as if I am a black male with a sn and avatar that is racist against white people.
 
[quote name='Cracka']Here's the main point that everyone who is backing coffee seems to be missing.

Coffee states that white on black racism is highly untollerated, but black on white racism is let to slide. Thus he tried to argue the hell out of me about my screen name and avatar

I don't know if one is more tollerated than the other, but that has nothing to do with my sn and avatar considering 'm a white male with a sn that can be taken as racist against white people. I'm not racist against my own race. And even if that were the case, that would be white on white racism which would have nothing to do with whether white on black or black on white racism is more tollerated.

He has been making this entire argument as if I am a black male with a sn and avatar that is racist against white people.[/QUOTE]
The entire "It's okay if we say it" belief is one of the worst forces that is perpetuating racism to the extent that it is in this country.

You could be the most down-home billy-bob cracker ass honky alive (PS, the preceding text was used to make an example), and it still doesn't excuse you freely using negative, storeotypical, derogatory slurs towards that, or any other group, whether it's a fucking joke or not.

Again, you're using the justification that it's okay to say this shit if it's a joke, but I'm sorry, I just think that's bullshit.

And if people here do believe that, then I think I'm going to change my signature to say that "Nikes are for Niggers," because that's setting a precedent that has to be universal. You can't be selective in which racism/whatevergroup-ism is okay, and which whatever-ism isn't.
 
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