Blu-ray surpasses HD-DVDs in sales
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[quote name='dallow']I think the gap he's talking about is the relative cost of the player.
Something costing $2000 and something else $2500 doesn't mean a thing to me as they're both too far out of reach.
But when they get down to being $500 and $1000.
Then that $500 item looks mighty appealing.[/QUOTE]
oh ok. yea, i read it again, and I see.
That does make sense.
Something costing $2000 and something else $2500 doesn't mean a thing to me as they're both too far out of reach.
But when they get down to being $500 and $1000.
Then that $500 item looks mighty appealing.[/QUOTE]
oh ok. yea, i read it again, and I see.
That does make sense.
[quote name='dpatel']How is a $400 gap any different from what it was before. Wasn't the gap initiall $500? So, if anything, Blu-ray players are getting relatively cheaper, faster than HD-DVD players.
Hasn't BR always been 'twice' as much. It hasn't really hurt it too much before.[/QUOTE]
Each time the price drops the 'magical price point' for some people becomes a reality. A $400 HD-DVD player is EXACTLY what they wanted, not $500. Each time HD drops, BR does, but HD does it faster. By HD doing it faster it means it has a greater chance of being purchased by someone who wants it at a lower price, and will not pass up on BR since THATS still too expensive. Same thing happens with videogame consoles. How many people here will pass up on a 360 or PS3 until it hits 'that pricepoint' that they want?
Hasn't BR always been 'twice' as much. It hasn't really hurt it too much before.[/QUOTE]
Each time the price drops the 'magical price point' for some people becomes a reality. A $400 HD-DVD player is EXACTLY what they wanted, not $500. Each time HD drops, BR does, but HD does it faster. By HD doing it faster it means it has a greater chance of being purchased by someone who wants it at a lower price, and will not pass up on BR since THATS still too expensive. Same thing happens with videogame consoles. How many people here will pass up on a 360 or PS3 until it hits 'that pricepoint' that they want?
[quote name='gizmogc']Each time the price drops the 'magical price point' for some people becomes a reality. A $400 HD-DVD player is EXACTLY what they wanted, not $500. Each time HD drops, BR does, but HD does it faster. By HD doing it faster it means it has a greater chance of being purchased by someone who wants it at a lower price, and will not pass up on BR since THATS still too expensive. Same thing happens with videogame consoles. How many people here will pass up on a 360 or PS3 until it hits 'that pricepoint' that they want?[/QUOTE]
Ah ok. I must've misunderstood your post. I see what you are saying though.
I am really hoping the BR camp responds to this quickly. The only positive that I have with HD-DVD is that it keeps BR prices in check. Once prices are low enough for BR, HD-DVD should be gone as quickly as possible, in my opinion.
Ah ok. I must've misunderstood your post. I see what you are saying though.
I am really hoping the BR camp responds to this quickly. The only positive that I have with HD-DVD is that it keeps BR prices in check. Once prices are low enough for BR, HD-DVD should be gone as quickly as possible, in my opinion.
Honestly, I think the price of the players won't really be an issue until they get to $200 or less (maybe $300). Right now the people buying them are home theater enthusiasts who don't mind spending several hundred dollars on a piece of equipment. When it gets to $200, you'll start to see a lot more "ordinary" people getting them. But unless HD-DVD gets more studios to support it, these people are unlikely to bite even if it is cheap.
[quote name='icruise']Honestly, I think the price of the players won't really be an issue until they get to $200 or less (maybe $300). Right now the people buying them are home theater enthusiasts who don't mind spending several hundred dollars on a piece of equipment. When it gets to $200, you'll start to see a lot more "ordinary" people getting them. But unless HD-DVD gets more studios to support it, these people are unlikely to bite even if it is cheap.[/QUOTE]
True. Like it has previously been said, HDTV owners are in the minority. And most people that buy HDTVs are the early adopters willing to pay the extra money to get the latest and greatest. They are usually more knowledgeable than the average, casual consumer. So, I can see a spike in sales once HD-DVD players drop, but I have a feeling that price isn't the only issue that is preventing people from getting HD-DVD. Some may just want to wait until the clear winner is determined, others may already have their hearts set on blu-ray.
Sales will increase with the release of the $400 player, but with hi-def being a somewhat small market (a market that is mainly filled with people willing to spend extra money if necessary), I can't see it helping TOO much.
True. Like it has previously been said, HDTV owners are in the minority. And most people that buy HDTVs are the early adopters willing to pay the extra money to get the latest and greatest. They are usually more knowledgeable than the average, casual consumer. So, I can see a spike in sales once HD-DVD players drop, but I have a feeling that price isn't the only issue that is preventing people from getting HD-DVD. Some may just want to wait until the clear winner is determined, others may already have their hearts set on blu-ray.
Sales will increase with the release of the $400 player, but with hi-def being a somewhat small market (a market that is mainly filled with people willing to spend extra money if necessary), I can't see it helping TOO much.
[quote name='MrX']That is where I am at right now. No point in wasting money on something that may not even be around in another 6-8 months[/QUOTE]
Yea, probably best. I did want Blu-ray initially, and, since it was forced with the PS3, I am sorta bound to it now. I don't regret it, but, if I would've had the choice, I probably would've waited on it.
Yea, probably best. I did want Blu-ray initially, and, since it was forced with the PS3, I am sorta bound to it now. I don't regret it, but, if I would've had the choice, I probably would've waited on it.
[quote name='MrX']That is where I am at right now. No point in wasting money on something that may not even be around in another 6-8 months[/QUOTE]
I'm willing to own both formats because the war will not be ending anytime soon, if ever. Why wait when I have a great TV and want to take advantage of it? Its hard to watch DVDs anymore because they just look so...bland.
If you have a 360 the $200 add-on is an awesome value.
If you buy a PS3 you already have the ability to watch Blu-Rays.
I'm willing to own both formats because the war will not be ending anytime soon, if ever. Why wait when I have a great TV and want to take advantage of it? Its hard to watch DVDs anymore because they just look so...bland.
If you have a 360 the $200 add-on is an awesome value.
If you buy a PS3 you already have the ability to watch Blu-Rays.
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[quote name='gizmogc']I'm willing to own both formats because the war will not be ending anytime soon, if ever. Why wait when I have a great TV and want to take advantage of it? Its hard to watch DVDs anymore because they just look so...bland.
If you have a 360 the $200 add-on is an awesome value.
If you buy a PS3 you already have the ability to watch Blu-Rays.[/quote]
I just dont wont to have to rebuy my whole movie collection(at least whats on either format at this point) I argee that 200 (181 @ sams) for the HD DVD is not a bad price but I want a full on player, I guess that is the gadget snob in me, plus I dont have 1080p....yet
(by the by I already have an upconverting player so this is what is making my choice even harder...)
If you have a 360 the $200 add-on is an awesome value.
If you buy a PS3 you already have the ability to watch Blu-Rays.[/quote]
I just dont wont to have to rebuy my whole movie collection(at least whats on either format at this point) I argee that 200 (181 @ sams) for the HD DVD is not a bad price but I want a full on player, I guess that is the gadget snob in me, plus I dont have 1080p....yet
(by the by I already have an upconverting player so this is what is making my choice even harder...)
[quote name='MrX']I just dont wont to have to rebuy my whole movie collection(at least whats on either format at this point) I argee that 200 (181 @ sams) for the HD DVD is not a bad price but I want a full on player, I guess that is the gadget snob in me, plus I dont have 1080p....yet[/QUOTE]
Rebuy?
Rent! Some Blockbusters and Hollywood Videos have both HD/BR for rent, as does Netflix and BBOnline.
Rebuy?
Rent! Some Blockbusters and Hollywood Videos have both HD/BR for rent, as does Netflix and BBOnline.
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yea dvd's plain sucks ass now and are hard to watch... an upconverted movies still look like crap..
like said above... the hd add on is a no brainer if you already have a nice setup...
if you can get a used ps3 at a good price then its worth it just for br...lord knows i dont use mines for games
like said above... the hd add on is a no brainer if you already have a nice setup...
if you can get a used ps3 at a good price then its worth it just for br...lord knows i dont use mines for games
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I'll just be sticking with the plain, old, and boring standard DVD format for the time being. If it isn't broken, why fix it?
As for the whole Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD debate/pissing contest, I'm going to wait and see. I personally don't care which format "wins" and as a result I'll be on the sidelines. Once a new format becomes standard and the players become more affordable I'll venture into the high-def movie market.
As for the whole Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD debate/pissing contest, I'm going to wait and see. I personally don't care which format "wins" and as a result I'll be on the sidelines. Once a new format becomes standard and the players become more affordable I'll venture into the high-def movie market.
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[quote name='gizmogc']Effective April 1st the HD-A2 will have an MSRP of $400. That not makes it the cheapest HD-DVD Player available...[/quote]
Meh, you can get the HD-A2 more than a few places at $400 and have been able to for probably around 6 weeks at that price. I don't think sales of it will increase as much as you think they may.
Meh, you can get the HD-A2 more than a few places at $400 and have been able to for probably around 6 weeks at that price. I don't think sales of it will increase as much as you think they may.
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Meh, you can get the HD-A2 more than a few places at $400 and have been able to for probably around 6 weeks at that price. I don't think sales of it will increase as much as you think they may.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but it was NOT the MSRP. Best Buy, Circuit City etc. sell it at MSRP and most people will buy it from retailers, not some random online store. dpatel and I already had this arguement a few weeks ago on MSRP vs. Street prices.
Yes, but it was NOT the MSRP. Best Buy, Circuit City etc. sell it at MSRP and most people will buy it from retailers, not some random online store. dpatel and I already had this arguement a few weeks ago on MSRP vs. Street prices.
[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, but it was NOT the MSRP. Best Buy, Circuit City etc. sell it at MSRP and most people will buy it from retailers, not some random online store. dpatel and I already had this arguement a few weeks ago on MSRP vs. Street prices.[/QUOTE]
Actually you claimed the $6 HDMI price does not exist because casual consumers will not find that price. I believe we were talking about you specifically, so, in that argument, the actions of the casual consumer were irrelevant. In this argument, they ARE relevant because we are talking about how overall sales will be affected.
Actually you claimed the $6 HDMI price does not exist because casual consumers will not find that price. I believe we were talking about you specifically, so, in that argument, the actions of the casual consumer were irrelevant. In this argument, they ARE relevant because we are talking about how overall sales will be affected.
The people who *really* want dedicated HD-DVD or Blu-ray players pretty much already have them. What's left are the casual users, and I really don't think that a small reduction in price is going to get people to bite on either format. People aren't sitting around waiting for a player to drop $100. They're either waiting for a clear winner to emerge, or for their favorite movies (big name movies like the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Pixar films, etc) to start showing up on the HD formats.
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[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, but it was NOT the MSRP. Best Buy, Circuit City etc. sell it at MSRP and most people will buy it from retailers, not some random online store. dpatel and I already had this arguement a few weeks ago on MSRP vs. Street prices.[/QUOTE]
Amazon, buy.com, NewEgg, Vanns, Onecall, J&R, etc. Those aren't exactly random online retailers. It's true, the casual consumer doesn't shop online for big items really, but $400 is still to high to be considering casual consumers IMO.
[quote name='icruise']The people who *really* want dedicated HD-DVD or Blu-ray players pretty much already have them. What's left are the casual users, and I really don't think that a small reduction in price is going to get people to bite on either format. People aren't sitting around waiting for a player to drop $100. They're either waiting for a clear winner to emerge, or for their favorite movies (big name movies like the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Pixar films, etc) to start showing up on the HD formats.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, except that I think a fair number of early adopters are still waiting on the sidelines, but not always because of price points. I think if anything this may encourage some folk who ponied up for a BD player to get an HD-DVD player as well, but obviously those folk aren't terribly strapped for cash.
Amazon, buy.com, NewEgg, Vanns, Onecall, J&R, etc. Those aren't exactly random online retailers. It's true, the casual consumer doesn't shop online for big items really, but $400 is still to high to be considering casual consumers IMO.
[quote name='icruise']The people who *really* want dedicated HD-DVD or Blu-ray players pretty much already have them. What's left are the casual users, and I really don't think that a small reduction in price is going to get people to bite on either format. People aren't sitting around waiting for a player to drop $100. They're either waiting for a clear winner to emerge, or for their favorite movies (big name movies like the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Pixar films, etc) to start showing up on the HD formats.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, except that I think a fair number of early adopters are still waiting on the sidelines, but not always because of price points. I think if anything this may encourage some folk who ponied up for a BD player to get an HD-DVD player as well, but obviously those folk aren't terribly strapped for cash.
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[quote name='icruise']The people who *really* want dedicated HD-DVD or Blu-ray players pretty much already have them. What's left are the casual users, and I really don't think that a small reduction in price is going to get people to bite on either format. People aren't sitting around waiting for a player to drop $100. They're either waiting for a clear winner to emerge, or for their favorite movies (big name movies like the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Pixar films, etc) to start showing up on the HD formats.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, except that I think a fair number of early adopters are still waiting on the sidelines, but not always because of price points. I think if anything this may encourage some folk who ponied up for a BD player to get an HD as well, but like I said in my last post those people are terribly strapped for cash.
Agreed, except that I think a fair number of early adopters are still waiting on the sidelines, but not always because of price points. I think if anything this may encourage some folk who ponied up for a BD player to get an HD as well, but like I said in my last post those people are terribly strapped for cash.
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Amazon, buy.com, NewEgg, Vanns, Onecall, J&R, etc. Those aren't exactly random online retailers. It's true, the casual consumer doesn't shop online for big items really, but $400 is still to high to be considering casual consumers IMO. It's still in the early adopter phase, and they generally aren't afraid to shop online as much (though on the flipside price isn't as much as a concernt o them either).[/QUOTE]
Even if $400 isn't that high for some casuals, you also have to factor in that the same casual has to buy an HDTV and HD movies. Only the player is decreasing in price (even that decrease is slight), the other two requirements are still pretty high for casuals, so I think its safe to say that there won't be any casuals jumping on this price drop.
Even if $400 isn't that high for some casuals, you also have to factor in that the same casual has to buy an HDTV and HD movies. Only the player is decreasing in price (even that decrease is slight), the other two requirements are still pretty high for casuals, so I think its safe to say that there won't be any casuals jumping on this price drop.
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[quote name='dpatel']Even if $400 isn't that high for some casuals, you also have to factor in that the same casual has to buy an HDTV and HD movies. Only the player is decreasing in price (even that decrease is slight), the other two requirements are still pretty high for casuals, so I think its safe to say that there won't be any casuals jumping on this price drop.[/QUOTE]
Exactly I said the price is still too high casuals. I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with gizmo or disagreeing with me though.
Exactly I said the price is still too high casuals. I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with gizmo or disagreeing with me though.
[quote name='dpatel']Actually you claimed the $6 HDMI price does not exist because casual consumers will not find that price. I believe we were talking about you specifically, so, in that argument, the actions of the casual consumer were irrelevant. In this argument, they ARE relevant because we are talking about how overall sales will be affected.[/QUOTE]
Yes, again, most average customers will buy from Best Buy and get the $70 HDMI cable and the $400 HD-A2. Its unlikley they will go online, search, and buy either one of these at a lower price. But again, whatever. Feel free to spin out however you like dpatel as you usually do.
Yes, again, most average customers will buy from Best Buy and get the $70 HDMI cable and the $400 HD-A2. Its unlikley they will go online, search, and buy either one of these at a lower price. But again, whatever. Feel free to spin out however you like dpatel as you usually do.
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Exactly I said the price is still too high casuals. I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with gizmo or disagreeing with me though.[/QUOTE]
I was agreeing with you, just adding more arguments to your point. I probably should've quoted gizmogc. Either way, my point still stands, people won't jump on a $100 price drop on an HD-DVD player, when HDTVs and HD-DVDs themselves are still pretty expensive.
I was agreeing with you, just adding more arguments to your point. I probably should've quoted gizmogc. Either way, my point still stands, people won't jump on a $100 price drop on an HD-DVD player, when HDTVs and HD-DVDs themselves are still pretty expensive.
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Exactly I said the price is still too high casuals. I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with gizmo or disagreeing with me though.[/QUOTE]
$400 is still too much for the casuals, but that $400 MSRP just opened the doors to possible new owners, just like the $600 Blu-Ray player will. Just remember, Toshiba is not taking a loss on these while Sony is swimming in debt over every PS3 and Sony Blu-Ray player sold. There reasoning of course is they will make it up once their format *wins*. However with all the recent Buy 1 Get 1 Free and 50% off sale, Sony and Fox have now taken more of a loss since they are paying back these retailers for each disc sold at a discount.
$400 is still too much for the casuals, but that $400 MSRP just opened the doors to possible new owners, just like the $600 Blu-Ray player will. Just remember, Toshiba is not taking a loss on these while Sony is swimming in debt over every PS3 and Sony Blu-Ray player sold. There reasoning of course is they will make it up once their format *wins*. However with all the recent Buy 1 Get 1 Free and 50% off sale, Sony and Fox have now taken more of a loss since they are paying back these retailers for each disc sold at a discount.
[quote name='dpatel']I was agreeing with you, just adding more arguments to your point. I probably should've quoted gizmogc. Either way, my point still stands, people won't jump on a $100 price drop on an HD-DVD player, when HDTVs and HD-DVDs themselves are still pretty expensive.[/QUOTE]
Tell it to a CAG who just last week was Pro Blu-Ray with a slight edge towards HD-DVD. Now he is considering the A2.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2762060&postcount=482
He's just one. A $100 pricedrop is 20% off MSRP. Thats pretty damn big.
Tell it to a CAG who just last week was Pro Blu-Ray with a slight edge towards HD-DVD. Now he is considering the A2.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2762060&postcount=482
He's just one. A $100 pricedrop is 20% off MSRP. Thats pretty damn big.
[quote name='gizmogc']Feel free to spin out however you like dpatel as you usually do.[/QUOTE]
I don't really recall spinning anything. If anything, you are the one who is usually guilty of this. But, whatever.
I do recall you blaming Sony for all of BRs faults, when it is clearly an entire association responsible for this. Your excuse was that the discussion was focused on Sony, and you didn't want to get off topic, that's fine. Then when I bring up DVD, you downplay Sony's involvement by listing the entire DVD association, which you specifically said you didn't want to do in the past because the argument was focused Sony.
I could go on, but you and I both know your posting habits. Please, don't accuse me of 'spinning' anything again.
[quote name='gizmogc']$400 is still too much for the casuals, but that $400 MSRP just opened the doors to possible new owners, just like the $600 Blu-Ray player will. Just remember, Toshiba is not taking a loss on these while Sony is swimming in debt over every PS3 and Sony Blu-Ray player sold. [/QUOTE]
Of course it will open doors to new owners. I just don't think it will help HD-DVD as much as you think it will.
[quote name='gizmogc']There reasoning of course is they will make it up once their format *wins*. However with all the recent Buy 1 Get 1 Free and 50% off sale, Sony and Fox have now taken more of a loss since they are paying back these retailers for each disc sold at a discount.[/QUOTE]
How are the sales a bad thing? Sure it leads to short term losses, but it is clear what their strategy is. I thought it was painfully obvious as to why these movies were being sold at a discount, but apparently not. With the recent sales in blu-ray movies, it has given that little push that BR needed to get ahead. Strategies like this will pay off for them in the long run, making these short term losses pretty negligable.
I don't really recall spinning anything. If anything, you are the one who is usually guilty of this. But, whatever.
I do recall you blaming Sony for all of BRs faults, when it is clearly an entire association responsible for this. Your excuse was that the discussion was focused on Sony, and you didn't want to get off topic, that's fine. Then when I bring up DVD, you downplay Sony's involvement by listing the entire DVD association, which you specifically said you didn't want to do in the past because the argument was focused Sony.
I could go on, but you and I both know your posting habits. Please, don't accuse me of 'spinning' anything again.
[quote name='gizmogc']$400 is still too much for the casuals, but that $400 MSRP just opened the doors to possible new owners, just like the $600 Blu-Ray player will. Just remember, Toshiba is not taking a loss on these while Sony is swimming in debt over every PS3 and Sony Blu-Ray player sold. [/QUOTE]
Of course it will open doors to new owners. I just don't think it will help HD-DVD as much as you think it will.
[quote name='gizmogc']There reasoning of course is they will make it up once their format *wins*. However with all the recent Buy 1 Get 1 Free and 50% off sale, Sony and Fox have now taken more of a loss since they are paying back these retailers for each disc sold at a discount.[/QUOTE]
How are the sales a bad thing? Sure it leads to short term losses, but it is clear what their strategy is. I thought it was painfully obvious as to why these movies were being sold at a discount, but apparently not. With the recent sales in blu-ray movies, it has given that little push that BR needed to get ahead. Strategies like this will pay off for them in the long run, making these short term losses pretty negligable.
[quote name='gizmogc']But by how much? How much is Sony/Fox losing by the constant 'Buy 1 Get 1 Free' and Amazons 'Half-off' sale? The retailers are not taking any hit on these, Sony/Fox is paying the difference on them. Sony is eating the costs to boost sales, write some more BS articles claiming they won again, and to encourage casual PS3 owners to buy titles since they are the same price as the SD versions. Not shocking, and a very smart move the HD camp should do. However since they have not they must not feel BR is a threat.[/QUOTE]
So, given the price drop in the HD-DVD player, I guess you agree that HD-DVD feels blu-ray is a threat.
So, given the price drop in the HD-DVD player, I guess you agree that HD-DVD feels blu-ray is a threat.
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[quote name='gizmogc']Tell it to a CAG who just last week was Pro Blu-Ray with a slight edge towards HD-DVD. Now he is considering the A2.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2762060&postcount=482
He's just one. A $100 pricedrop is 20% off MSRP. Thats pretty damn big.[/QUOTE]
I'll readily admit to being a sole owner of HD-DVD at the moment. However, IMO Blu-ray is doing alot of things right too and I'll buy a PS3 by the end of this year. As a bigtime movie watcher I can't wait around for the ongoing war to end, but really I think a number of movie lovers will end up like me with both format players in their homes at some point.
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He's just one. A $100 pricedrop is 20% off MSRP. Thats pretty damn big.[/QUOTE]
I'll readily admit to being a sole owner of HD-DVD at the moment. However, IMO Blu-ray is doing alot of things right too and I'll buy a PS3 by the end of this year. As a bigtime movie watcher I can't wait around for the ongoing war to end, but really I think a number of movie lovers will end up like me with both format players in their homes at some point.
[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, again, most average customers will buy from Best Buy and get the $70 HDMI cable and the $400 HD-A2. Its unlikley they will go online, search, and buy either one of these at a lower price.[/QUOTE]
And yet these same consumers will go to Fry's (a retailer only located in select states), wait for a sale to buy the lower quality $10 VGA cables? I don't understand this part of your argument. If you are going to use 'standard' prices for your arguments, at least be consistent with them.
And yet these same consumers will go to Fry's (a retailer only located in select states), wait for a sale to buy the lower quality $10 VGA cables? I don't understand this part of your argument. If you are going to use 'standard' prices for your arguments, at least be consistent with them.
[quote name='dpatel']So, given the price drop in the HD-DVD player, I guess you agree that HD-DVD feels blu-ray is a threat.[/QUOTE]
Duhh! Same as BDA seeing HD as a threat otherwise they wouldn't keep publishing BS reports ever 3 days that makes Brittany Spears look sane.
Duhh! Same as BDA seeing HD as a threat otherwise they wouldn't keep publishing BS reports ever 3 days that makes Brittany Spears look sane.
[quote name='dpatel']And yet these same consumers will go to Fry's (a retailer only located in select states), wait for a sale to buy the lower quality $10 VGA cables? I don't understand this part of your argument. If you are going to use 'standard' prices for your arguments, at least be consistent with them.[/QUOTE]
Is that $10 VGA cable at Fry's? Yes. Do they have to go online, look, search, and buy it? No. Again, what's your point? I am comparing items you can buy an actual location, not some random website online. $400 HD-DVD Player, $70 HDMI Cable, $10 VGA cable.
Is that $10 VGA cable at Fry's? Yes. Do they have to go online, look, search, and buy it? No. Again, what's your point? I am comparing items you can buy an actual location, not some random website online. $400 HD-DVD Player, $70 HDMI Cable, $10 VGA cable.
[quote name='gizmogc']Duhh! BDA see's HD as a threat otherwise they wouldn't keep publishing BS reports ever 3 days that makes Brittany Spears look sane.[/QUOTE]
Of course they feel HD is a threat. I thought this was common knowledge. I was just pointing out that your previous statement of HD-DVD not being threatened is now invalidated by the news of a player price drop.
I knew that they both see each other as threats. I was just wondering why you felt that HD did not see BD as a threat.
Of course they feel HD is a threat. I thought this was common knowledge. I was just pointing out that your previous statement of HD-DVD not being threatened is now invalidated by the news of a player price drop.
I knew that they both see each other as threats. I was just wondering why you felt that HD did not see BD as a threat.
[quote name='gizmogc']Is that $10 VGA cable at Fry's? Yes. Do they have to go online, look, search, and buy it? No. Again, what's your point? I am comparing items you can buy an actual location, not some random website online. $400 HD-DVD Player, $70 HDMI Cable, $10 VGA cable.[/QUOTE]
What about the people who don't have a Fry's nearby. I'm sure there are more people that are willing and able to go to a 'random' (read: common) website and buy cables, rather than go to California, TX, or wherever else Fry's is located to buy poor quality VGA cables on sale.
And, FYI, you were not comparing prices at actual locations. You were comparing prices of places that the 'average consumer' would shop. I don't think a retailer that isn't available nationwide, a limited time sale, or an off-brand lower quality item qualify as an item that the 'average consumer' would buy. Wouldn't you agree?
Edit: and I love how you make online shopping sound so hard. Oh noes! you have to look! Oh noes, you have to search! Oh noes, you have to buy it! I'm so glad B&M stores don't require all of that. The item just plops into my hand as soon as I step into Fry's and I can just be on my way.
What about the people who don't have a Fry's nearby. I'm sure there are more people that are willing and able to go to a 'random' (read: common) website and buy cables, rather than go to California, TX, or wherever else Fry's is located to buy poor quality VGA cables on sale.
And, FYI, you were not comparing prices at actual locations. You were comparing prices of places that the 'average consumer' would shop. I don't think a retailer that isn't available nationwide, a limited time sale, or an off-brand lower quality item qualify as an item that the 'average consumer' would buy. Wouldn't you agree?
Edit: and I love how you make online shopping sound so hard. Oh noes! you have to look! Oh noes, you have to search! Oh noes, you have to buy it! I'm so glad B&M stores don't require all of that. The item just plops into my hand as soon as I step into Fry's and I can just be on my way.
[quote name='dpatel']Of course they feel HD is a threat. I thought this was common knowledge. I was just pointing out that your previous statement of HD-DVD not being threatened is now invalidated by the news of a player price drop.
I knew that they both see each other as threats. I was just wondering why you felt that HD did not see BD as a threat.[/QUOTE]
When did I post that? The HD camp has always known BR would be of some thread due to the PS3.
Keep in mind this is the first time a player has dropped in price and its been out for close to a year now. The A1 was discontinued and never received a pricedrop of any kind. So far all the Blu-Ray ones have, except the recent Sony model.
I knew that they both see each other as threats. I was just wondering why you felt that HD did not see BD as a threat.[/QUOTE]
When did I post that? The HD camp has always known BR would be of some thread due to the PS3.
Keep in mind this is the first time a player has dropped in price and its been out for close to a year now. The A1 was discontinued and never received a pricedrop of any kind. So far all the Blu-Ray ones have, except the recent Sony model.
[quote name='dpatel']What about the people who don't have a Fry's nearby. I'm sure there are more people that are willing and able to go to a 'random' (read: common) website and buy cables, rather than go to California, TX, or wherever else Fry's is located to buy poor quality VGA cables on sale.
And, FYI, you were not comparing prices at actual locations. You were comparing prices of places that the 'average consumer' would shop. I don't think a retailer that isn't available nationwide, a limited time sale, or an off-brand lower quality item qualify as an item that the 'average consumer' would buy. Wouldn't you agree?
Edit: and I love how you make online shopping sound so hard. Oh noes! you have to look! Oh noes, you have to search! Oh noes, you have to buy it! I'm so glad B&M stores don't require all of that. The item just plops into my hand as soon as I step into Fry's and I can just be on my way.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, ok. Lets drop Fry's off then, shall we? So a VGA cable is now $20 at Best Buy/CC. Anything else?
And, FYI, you were not comparing prices at actual locations. You were comparing prices of places that the 'average consumer' would shop. I don't think a retailer that isn't available nationwide, a limited time sale, or an off-brand lower quality item qualify as an item that the 'average consumer' would buy. Wouldn't you agree?
Edit: and I love how you make online shopping sound so hard. Oh noes! you have to look! Oh noes, you have to search! Oh noes, you have to buy it! I'm so glad B&M stores don't require all of that. The item just plops into my hand as soon as I step into Fry's and I can just be on my way.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, ok. Lets drop Fry's off then, shall we? So a VGA cable is now $20 at Best Buy/CC. Anything else?
[quote name='gizmogc']When did I post that? The HD camp has always known BR would be of some thread due to the PS3.[/QUOTE]
In this very thread:
[quote name='gizmogc']But by how much? How much is Sony/Fox losing by the constant 'Buy 1 Get 1 Free' and Amazons 'Half-off' sale? The retailers are not taking any hit on these, Sony/Fox is paying the difference on them. Sony is eating the costs to boost sales, write some more BS articles claiming they won again, and to encourage casual PS3 owners to buy titles since they are the same price as the SD versions. Not shocking, and a very smart move the HD camp should do. However since they have not they must not feel BR is a threat.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='gizmogc']Keep in mind this is the first time a player has dropped in price and its been out for close to a year now. The A1 was discontinued and never received a pricedrop of any kind. So far all the Blu-Ray ones have, except the recent Sony model.[/QUOTE]
Your point?
In this very thread:
[quote name='gizmogc']But by how much? How much is Sony/Fox losing by the constant 'Buy 1 Get 1 Free' and Amazons 'Half-off' sale? The retailers are not taking any hit on these, Sony/Fox is paying the difference on them. Sony is eating the costs to boost sales, write some more BS articles claiming they won again, and to encourage casual PS3 owners to buy titles since they are the same price as the SD versions. Not shocking, and a very smart move the HD camp should do. However since they have not they must not feel BR is a threat.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='gizmogc']Keep in mind this is the first time a player has dropped in price and its been out for close to a year now. The A1 was discontinued and never received a pricedrop of any kind. So far all the Blu-Ray ones have, except the recent Sony model.[/QUOTE]
Your point?
[quote name='gizmogc']Ahh, ok. Lets drop Fry's off then, shall we? So a VGA cable is now $20 at Best Buy/CC. Anything else?[/QUOTE]
See, that wasn't so hard to concede your point now, was it?
So, the whole time you were including the $10 cables, I'm guessing that was you doing a little 'spinning' of your own, to make VGA cables cheaper. I guess you only including 'common' prices, also falls along the same lines too.
See, that wasn't so hard to concede your point now, was it?
So, the whole time you were including the $10 cables, I'm guessing that was you doing a little 'spinning' of your own, to make VGA cables cheaper. I guess you only including 'common' prices, also falls along the same lines too.
[quote name='dpatel']In this very thread:
Your point?[/QUOTE]
Software wise they don't feel BR is a threat. With 2+ Million BR players sold with such LITTLE sales in terms of software, no, no threat at all. BR has SUCH a low attach rate they have to do these sales.
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Hardware is a VERY different story. They need to get cheaper hardware to lure in new buyers that right now have not chosen a side.
Your point?[/QUOTE]
Software wise they don't feel BR is a threat. With 2+ Million BR players sold with such LITTLE sales in terms of software, no, no threat at all. BR has SUCH a low attach rate they have to do these sales.
From todays newsletter from Toshiba
Hardware is a VERY different story. They need to get cheaper hardware to lure in new buyers that right now have not chosen a side.
[quote name='dpatel']See, that wasn't so hard to concede your point now, was it?
So, the whole time you were including the $10 cables, I'm guessing that was you doing a little 'spinning' of your own, to make VGA cables cheaper. I guess you only including 'common' prices, also falls along the same lines too.[/QUOTE]
Yep, you got it. How dare I include Fry's which is a common store and is in the gigantic state of California. They must only get 4-5 customers a day
Is Best Buy OK? Are they in every state? Is that a valid arguement? Just want to make sure I don't 'spin' anything else. Remember, Sony sold 5.2 Million Blu-Rays discs already!
So, the whole time you were including the $10 cables, I'm guessing that was you doing a little 'spinning' of your own, to make VGA cables cheaper. I guess you only including 'common' prices, also falls along the same lines too.[/QUOTE]
Yep, you got it. How dare I include Fry's which is a common store and is in the gigantic state of California. They must only get 4-5 customers a day
Is Best Buy OK? Are they in every state? Is that a valid arguement? Just want to make sure I don't 'spin' anything else. Remember, Sony sold 5.2 Million Blu-Rays discs already!
[quote name='gizmogc']Software wise they don't feel BR is a threat. With 2+ Million BR players sold with such LITTLE sales in terms of software, no, no threat at all. BR has SUCH a low attach rate they have to do these sales.
Hardware is a VERY different story. They need to get cheaper hardware to lure in new buyers that right now have not chosen a side.[/QUOTE]
I would consider them one in the same. Why would HD-DVD only be concerned with beating them in hardware only, when the two are related.
And yes, if you do a little more 'spinning' and include PS3 sales, BR has a horrible attach rate. But, since sales are the result of a bad attach rate, then I guess HD-DVD, including 5 HD-DVD movies with a new $400 player, also says that HD-DVD has a bad attach rate and feels threatened by BD software.
Hardware is a VERY different story. They need to get cheaper hardware to lure in new buyers that right now have not chosen a side.[/QUOTE]
I would consider them one in the same. Why would HD-DVD only be concerned with beating them in hardware only, when the two are related.
And yes, if you do a little more 'spinning' and include PS3 sales, BR has a horrible attach rate. But, since sales are the result of a bad attach rate, then I guess HD-DVD, including 5 HD-DVD movies with a new $400 player, also says that HD-DVD has a bad attach rate and feels threatened by BD software.
[quote name='gizmogc']Yep, you got it. How dare I include Fry's which is a common store and is in the gigantic state of California. They must only get 4-5 customers a day [/QUOTE]
Well, according to your original argument, it must be widely available. And, the last time I checked, California =/= the entire USA. However, websites are available in all states, and surely get plenty of customers too.
[quote name='gizmogc']Is Best Buy OK? Are they in every state? Is that a valid arguement? Just want to make sure I don't 'spin' anything else. Remember, Sony sold 5.2 Million Blu-Rays discs already![/QUOTE]
Personally, I think your whole logic behind 'not including online prices' to be a bit foolish, but if you need to spin your arguments that way to make your favored products look cheaper, that's completely fine.
And it's funny that you fault Sony for spinning their 5.2 million statement, yet you turn around and do the same thing. Did you claim that BR has a low attach rate?
[/QUOTE]Well, according to your original argument, it must be widely available. And, the last time I checked, California =/= the entire USA. However, websites are available in all states, and surely get plenty of customers too.
[quote name='gizmogc']Is Best Buy OK? Are they in every state? Is that a valid arguement? Just want to make sure I don't 'spin' anything else. Remember, Sony sold 5.2 Million Blu-Rays discs already![/QUOTE]
Personally, I think your whole logic behind 'not including online prices' to be a bit foolish, but if you need to spin your arguments that way to make your favored products look cheaper, that's completely fine.
And it's funny that you fault Sony for spinning their 5.2 million statement, yet you turn around and do the same thing. Did you claim that BR has a low attach rate?
[quote name='dpatel']I would consider them one in the same. Why would HD-DVD only be concerned with beating them in hardware only, when the two are related.
And yes, if you do a little more 'spinning' and include PS3 sales, BR has a horrible attach rate. But, since sales are the result of a bad attach rate, then I guess HD-DVD, including 5 HD-DVD movies with a new $400 player, also says that HD-DVD has a bad attach rate and feels threatened by BD software.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, the 5 free movies are NOT counted towards any sales ratio unlike the 2 free movies with purchase of Samsung/Sony BR players. I also wouldn't be shocked if they counted T. Nights and Casino Royale UK in the figures since it is, well, Sony.
And yes, if you do a little more 'spinning' and include PS3 sales, BR has a horrible attach rate. But, since sales are the result of a bad attach rate, then I guess HD-DVD, including 5 HD-DVD movies with a new $400 player, also says that HD-DVD has a bad attach rate and feels threatened by BD software.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, the 5 free movies are NOT counted towards any sales ratio unlike the 2 free movies with purchase of Samsung/Sony BR players. I also wouldn't be shocked if they counted T. Nights and Casino Royale UK in the figures since it is, well, Sony.
[quote name='gizmogc']Sorry, the 5 free movies are NOT counted towards any sales ratio unlike the 2 free movies with purchase of Samsung/Sony BR players.[/QUOTE]
And you know this how?
And, if true, How and Why would they do this?
[quote name='gizmogc']I also wouldn't be shocked if they counted T. Nights and Casino Royale UK in the figures since it is, well, Sony.[/QUOTE]
Don't you mean the BDA? Or do we just refer to the association as a whole when it's something positive, like in reference to DVD. If so, I would consider that some more 'spinning'.
And you know this how?
And, if true, How and Why would they do this?
[quote name='gizmogc']I also wouldn't be shocked if they counted T. Nights and Casino Royale UK in the figures since it is, well, Sony.[/QUOTE]
Don't you mean the BDA? Or do we just refer to the association as a whole when it's something positive, like in reference to DVD. If so, I would consider that some more 'spinning'.
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