Blue Ray OutSelling HD-DVD
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Until either format overtakes standard DVD, they'll both be niche formats regardless.
I've read these stats in an article that came around before this study was released.
In that same article (forgot where it was - I think it was in the NY Daily News), it was stated that, while Blu Ray discs outsell HD DVD's by nearly 3:1, actual sales of the players have HD DVD players outselling Blu Ray players by about 2:1, so it seems to even out.
In that same article (forgot where it was - I think it was in the NY Daily News), it was stated that, while Blu Ray discs outsell HD DVD's by nearly 3:1, actual sales of the players have HD DVD players outselling Blu Ray players by about 2:1, so it seems to even out.
While I agree with a lot of this, I don't believe better games is what drove people away from UMDs. I think the bigger factor was more of an economic evening out. The customer catches on eventually if you are making them pay more for less and once the novelty wore off on the PSP and UMDs I think this is exactly what happened. People realized it was insane to pay more money for a disc that only played on their PSP. The Blu-Ray thing is more akin to the PS2 in that the PS2 when it first came out was the cheapest available DVD player on the market and that drove a lot of the early sales and last I checked DVDs were doing just fine. Other factors in the market haven't allowed Sony to take advantage like last time though (and won't. That ship has sailed).
Personally I think there is room in the market for all 3 this time. Nintendo's going a completely different route than the usual I think leaves enough room for MS and Sony to split the rest of the market. There will probably be a lot of people who also choose to own a Wii and one of the other graphics machines. Of course, this is all moot if the PS3 doesn't get some darned games!
[quote name='dschroll']As someone else pointed out, the PS3 doesn't have many heavy hitters this holiday whereas Wii and 360 are pulling out the big guns. Not to mention the PS3 is losing exclusive after exclusive because of these low sales. The PS3 may not ever die, but its looking more and more like it won't ever accomplish what the PS2 has and what the Wii and 360 are right now.
I just want to point out the PSP as a prediction. When the PSP first came out, movie sales for it were through the roof. People really took to the feature and movie studios were releasing tons of movies for it. However, today, almost no movies are released for the PSP because the novelty wore off and PSP owners shifted their dollars from UMD movies to games when decent games finally arrived on the PSP.
I think its risky business when all these exclusive movie studios are backing a format thats primarily being driven by a game console. We've seen this type of thing turn south really quick once decent games came out. If the PS3 gets some decent games, we could see a decline in BR sales because people are more interested in playing games than watching movies on their PS3. If PS3 doesn't get any decent games, we'll see a decline in BR sales when people finally trade in their PS3 for a gaming system with decent games. Unless BR standalone players come down a lot more in price, I don't see this BR sales lead holding up for long.[/QUOTE]
Personally I think there is room in the market for all 3 this time. Nintendo's going a completely different route than the usual I think leaves enough room for MS and Sony to split the rest of the market. There will probably be a lot of people who also choose to own a Wii and one of the other graphics machines. Of course, this is all moot if the PS3 doesn't get some darned games!
[quote name='dschroll']As someone else pointed out, the PS3 doesn't have many heavy hitters this holiday whereas Wii and 360 are pulling out the big guns. Not to mention the PS3 is losing exclusive after exclusive because of these low sales. The PS3 may not ever die, but its looking more and more like it won't ever accomplish what the PS2 has and what the Wii and 360 are right now.
I just want to point out the PSP as a prediction. When the PSP first came out, movie sales for it were through the roof. People really took to the feature and movie studios were releasing tons of movies for it. However, today, almost no movies are released for the PSP because the novelty wore off and PSP owners shifted their dollars from UMD movies to games when decent games finally arrived on the PSP.
I think its risky business when all these exclusive movie studios are backing a format thats primarily being driven by a game console. We've seen this type of thing turn south really quick once decent games came out. If the PS3 gets some decent games, we could see a decline in BR sales because people are more interested in playing games than watching movies on their PS3. If PS3 doesn't get any decent games, we'll see a decline in BR sales when people finally trade in their PS3 for a gaming system with decent games. Unless BR standalone players come down a lot more in price, I don't see this BR sales lead holding up for long.[/QUOTE]
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there might be a market for all three cuase wii actually courted new consumers who usually don't play video games. it's pretty much a fight between 360 and ps3 for the fanboy base. You never know. this might be the decade of the stalemate as both systems might leverage out throughout the coming years. Although i think 360 owners might get pissed off at having burnt to a crisp consoles and having to trade them in to microsoft. it seems that when one company stumbles the other kicks sand in its face. This is turning out to be a pretty bloody console war cause SOny and Microsoft have very deep coffers. It's gonna be a win by attrition, slow and meticulous. I don't understand why everyone is rooting for one company to lose now. As long as you get your games and high defiinition content who the 
gives a shit? If I'm playing devil may cry 3 and watching trading places on my ps3 why do i care if someone else is playiny devil may cry 3 and watching trading places on hd dvd that is probably 1-5% different in quality. As long as you get the content at a reasonable price I don't need to worry if sony will fail. Minidiscs lasted for 15 years even though no one bought them in the states.
gives a shit? If I'm playing devil may cry 3 and watching trading places on my ps3 why do i care if someone else is playiny devil may cry 3 and watching trading places on hd dvd that is probably 1-5% different in quality. As long as you get the content at a reasonable price I don't need to worry if sony will fail. Minidiscs lasted for 15 years even though no one bought them in the states.
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[quote name='sparklecopy']As long as you get the content at a reasonable price I don't need to worry if sony will fail. Minidiscs lasted for 15 years even though no one bought them in the states.[/QUOTE]
Minidiscs were crippled at the consumer level (which hampered, nay killed, their adoption), but you're right... platform agnosticism is definitely needed in this generation. Because with a clear winner and loser, we as gamers lose big time. I'm not going to pick a PS3 game over a 360 game simply because I want to support the PS3, and vice-versa. Competition means we all win with better games, fewer platform-specific exclusives, and more bang for our buck.
As for HDDVD v. Blu Ray... well, I believe the same thing holds true... competition means better products. However, combo discs might be hampering HDDVDs a bit more than Blu Ray. $35 for a combo disc (even with extra features) is a bit steep, even if you get both DVD and HD versions. People who only have a DVD player now aren't going to bother "buying for the future" for the most part, because it's not cost effective to do so, when the DVD only version of the movie is $20 on sale for $18 in the first week. Asking them to future proof (which they wouldn't necessarily have to to begin with) their collection for almost twice the price is a bit much for the average consumer.
I bought "300" for $22 at Amazon... the HD combo version was $29... That's a better price difference than we see at B&M stores... (anecdotally of course...) The first-gen titles like Blazing Saddles and so forth are coming down to $20 a piece too, which is more in line with what people would pay, but considering the DVD editions are $15 or less, we're seeing yet another cost of entry barrier the studios have _NO_ idea how to fix.... (mostly because they're greedy.)
Anyway... I'll stop rambling now.
Minidiscs were crippled at the consumer level (which hampered, nay killed, their adoption), but you're right... platform agnosticism is definitely needed in this generation. Because with a clear winner and loser, we as gamers lose big time. I'm not going to pick a PS3 game over a 360 game simply because I want to support the PS3, and vice-versa. Competition means we all win with better games, fewer platform-specific exclusives, and more bang for our buck.
As for HDDVD v. Blu Ray... well, I believe the same thing holds true... competition means better products. However, combo discs might be hampering HDDVDs a bit more than Blu Ray. $35 for a combo disc (even with extra features) is a bit steep, even if you get both DVD and HD versions. People who only have a DVD player now aren't going to bother "buying for the future" for the most part, because it's not cost effective to do so, when the DVD only version of the movie is $20 on sale for $18 in the first week. Asking them to future proof (which they wouldn't necessarily have to to begin with) their collection for almost twice the price is a bit much for the average consumer.
I bought "300" for $22 at Amazon... the HD combo version was $29... That's a better price difference than we see at B&M stores... (anecdotally of course...) The first-gen titles like Blazing Saddles and so forth are coming down to $20 a piece too, which is more in line with what people would pay, but considering the DVD editions are $15 or less, we're seeing yet another cost of entry barrier the studios have _NO_ idea how to fix.... (mostly because they're greedy.)
Anyway... I'll stop rambling now.
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[quote name='dschroll']You realize that the only people this affects are people who use an over the air antenna, right? 90% of the country uses cable or satellite and the government killing off the analog signals won't affect most people.
They're not the same price though. Pirates of the Carribean came out on DVD years ago. It can be had for $10. So, the question is, why would anyone buy a BR movie that is twice is expensive as its DVD counterpart. HD DVD has the same problem right now. If either media is going to take off, the price has to come down because consumers will gladly keep purchasing DVDs over BR or HD DVD as most can't tell the difference in quality.
Sony dropping the ball on single layer BR discs is the least of its problems. Its going to have to contend with all the early adopters once they find out their players are obsolete later this year once the new BR spec gets released.[/QUOTE]
I think the pricing of the Blu-ray discs are much cheaper than DVD discs at the same point of time. I remember that in 2 years into the DVD life it was a bargain when you bought a DVD for $19.99. now less than 9 months into the Bluray inception you can have a Bluray at 17.99 at bestbuy. That is crazy good in comparison. You only pay 20% more than a dvd and you get a 50% better picture.
They're not the same price though. Pirates of the Carribean came out on DVD years ago. It can be had for $10. So, the question is, why would anyone buy a BR movie that is twice is expensive as its DVD counterpart. HD DVD has the same problem right now. If either media is going to take off, the price has to come down because consumers will gladly keep purchasing DVDs over BR or HD DVD as most can't tell the difference in quality.
Sony dropping the ball on single layer BR discs is the least of its problems. Its going to have to contend with all the early adopters once they find out their players are obsolete later this year once the new BR spec gets released.[/QUOTE]
I think the pricing of the Blu-ray discs are much cheaper than DVD discs at the same point of time. I remember that in 2 years into the DVD life it was a bargain when you bought a DVD for $19.99. now less than 9 months into the Bluray inception you can have a Bluray at 17.99 at bestbuy. That is crazy good in comparison. You only pay 20% more than a dvd and you get a 50% better picture.
[quote name='sparklecopy']I think the pricing of the Blu-ray discs are much cheaper than DVD discs at the same point of time. I remember that in 2 years into the DVD life it was a bargain when you bought a DVD for $19.99. now less than 9 months into the Bluray inception you can have a Bluray at 17.99 at bestbuy. That is crazy good in comparison. You only pay 20% more than a dvd and you get a 50% better picture.[/QUOTE]
I regularly found copies of dvds for 19.99 and under (new releases too) withing the first few months as I was a very early adopter. Average prices seem to be higher at BB on the high def formats....
I regularly found copies of dvds for 19.99 and under (new releases too) withing the first few months as I was a very early adopter. Average prices seem to be higher at BB on the high def formats....
[quote name='zman73']I regularly found copies of dvds for 19.99 and under (new releases too) withing the first few months as I was a very early adopter. Average prices seem to be higher at BB on the high def formats....[/QUOTE]
You remember VERY incorrectly.
You remember VERY incorrectly.
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Well BR just took a direct hit with Paramount/Dreamworks announcement of HD exclusivity. Just when it looked like this war might be winding down, HD is bringing out some big guns.
[quote name='millrat1030']Well BR just took a direct hit with Paramount/Dreamworks announcement of HD exclusivity. Just when it looked like this war might be winding down, HD is bringing out some big guns.[/QUOTE]
Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000715.html
Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000715.html
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[quote name='dothog']Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000715.html[/QUOTE]
wow, this is a whole new parameter. I don't think HD DVD can ever win but now it seems that Blu-ray will need 2-3 years to overtake them and at that time it will all be moot. Hopefully this will mean cheapass competition and Bluray and HD-dvd Players will bottom out to 200-300 next year and media will be encheapened to a 15 dollar price point. I think we all win out, studios won't lose money but they won't be making the bucketloads they did off DVD. If you think about it it's pretty cool how this is shaping up. It's like SPy Vs. Spy Heavyweight bout. This is much better than VHS vs betamax or Divx vs DVD.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000715.html[/QUOTE]
wow, this is a whole new parameter. I don't think HD DVD can ever win but now it seems that Blu-ray will need 2-3 years to overtake them and at that time it will all be moot. Hopefully this will mean cheapass competition and Bluray and HD-dvd Players will bottom out to 200-300 next year and media will be encheapened to a 15 dollar price point. I think we all win out, studios won't lose money but they won't be making the bucketloads they did off DVD. If you think about it it's pretty cool how this is shaping up. It's like SPy Vs. Spy Heavyweight bout. This is much better than VHS vs betamax or Divx vs DVD.
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[quote name='GizmoGC']Guess you won't be enjoying Transformers on Blu-Ray now.[/QUOTE]
damn, one less blockbuster action flick, what a shame
(and no, I don't care about the overall effect on blu-ray sales...that's for the format warz fanboys to chew over.)
damn, one less blockbuster action flick, what a shame
(and no, I don't care about the overall effect on blu-ray sales...that's for the format warz fanboys to chew over.)[quote name='sparklecopy']wow, this is a whole new parameter. I don't think HD DVD can ever win but now it seems that Blu-ray will need 2-3 years to overtake them and at that time it will all be moot. Hopefully this will mean cheapass competition and Bluray and HD-dvd Players will bottom out to 200-300 next year and media will be encheapened to a 15 dollar price point. I think we all win out, studios won't lose money but they won't be making the bucketloads they did off DVD. If you think about it it's pretty cool how this is shaping up. It's like SPy Vs. Spy Heavyweight bout. This is much better than VHS vs betamax or Divx vs DVD.[/QUOTE]
HD DVD players are already at $299 now and by this holiday will be at $199.
No reason to not own one at that point, especially in light of this recent Paramount news.
Watching Transformers in HD is bliss
HD DVD players are already at $299 now and by this holiday will be at $199.
No reason to not own one at that point, especially in light of this recent Paramount news.
Watching Transformers in HD is bliss
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[quote name='Apossum']damn, one less blockbuster action flick, what a shame (and no, I don't care about the overall effect on blu-ray sales...that's for the format warz fanboys to chew over.)[/QUOTE]
At least (according to Amazon) so far we can still get Blade Runner Ultimate Collection on Blu-ray or HDDVD....
Either with or without the briefcase and origami unicorn.
As things go, this is one of those films I'd like to see most done up properly on HD... and the added feature of having yet another director's version (along with all the others that Ridley's done over the years) is a big plus... having Deckard's briefcase and an origami unicorn isn't all that hot, but hey... to each his own.
(Blade Runner was Warner Bros. IIRC.)
(and no, I don't care about the overall effect on blu-ray sales...that's for the format warz fanboys to chew over.)[/QUOTE]At least (according to Amazon) so far we can still get Blade Runner Ultimate Collection on Blu-ray or HDDVD....
Either with or without the briefcase and origami unicorn.
As things go, this is one of those films I'd like to see most done up properly on HD... and the added feature of having yet another director's version (along with all the others that Ridley's done over the years) is a big plus... having Deckard's briefcase and an origami unicorn isn't all that hot, but hey... to each his own.
(Blade Runner was Warner Bros. IIRC.)
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[quote name='dschroll']HD DVD players are already at $299 now and by this holiday will be at $199.
No reason to not own one at that point, especially in light of this recent Paramount news.
Watching Transformers in HD is bliss[/QUOTE]
damn sony is getting hammered on all fronts. I guess it's karmic payback for them bogarting the ps2 generation and not trying to compromise with toshiba ona single format. They probably didn't factor how ruthless microsoft would be. You are playing with fire now sony. Even though I bought the PS3 and am rooting for blu-ray I think Sony definitely deserved to be taken down a peg. So what if I can't watch transformers on blu-ray for another 2 years. I think this christmas will either be the last stand for hd-dvd or it's emergence as a solid #2. in the end. nobod really wins or loses. The blu-ray adopters don't really lose except they don't get to see releases as fast as they liked. I always like staggered releases anyway. I used to buy DVD's at a pace of 1 a week but after the market exploded it was just overwhelming. Now you can enjoy the blurays you have and just fall back on upconverted DVD. Upconverted DVD is a really good tonic.
No reason to not own one at that point, especially in light of this recent Paramount news.
Watching Transformers in HD is bliss
[/QUOTE]damn sony is getting hammered on all fronts. I guess it's karmic payback for them bogarting the ps2 generation and not trying to compromise with toshiba ona single format. They probably didn't factor how ruthless microsoft would be. You are playing with fire now sony. Even though I bought the PS3 and am rooting for blu-ray I think Sony definitely deserved to be taken down a peg. So what if I can't watch transformers on blu-ray for another 2 years. I think this christmas will either be the last stand for hd-dvd or it's emergence as a solid #2. in the end. nobod really wins or loses. The blu-ray adopters don't really lose except they don't get to see releases as fast as they liked. I always like staggered releases anyway. I used to buy DVD's at a pace of 1 a week but after the market exploded it was just overwhelming. Now you can enjoy the blurays you have and just fall back on upconverted DVD. Upconverted DVD is a really good tonic.
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[quote name='sparklecopy'] I used to buy DVD's at a pace of 1 a week but after the market exploded it was just overwhelming. Now you can enjoy the blurays you have and just fall back on upconverted DVD. Upconverted DVD is a really good tonic.[/QUOTE]
When the DVD market "matured" (marketeers.. blech) we saw a TON of shovelware coming... just about every movie made is on DVD (or has been) and has at least 3 "editions" if the movie made more than $5 at the box office.
(Some that should've died on the vine, to be honest...)
Now, contrast that with the HD market... where we have limited selection, and a really large amount of head-scratching movie choices (Smokey and the Bandit? Really?), we're beginning to see the shovelware early... as trial balloons for the new format... and like Universal and their "DRM-free" music "experiment", the movie studios are simply hedging their bets, knowing that Ma and Pa Kettle are still using regular DVD, and their cash flow is dependent on that format for some time to come...
Paramount going only HD DVD (since they were initially an HD DVD backer, and went dual format only for a short time), this is not necessarily a coup in terms of "rats leaving a sinking Blu-Ray ship" or the like. It's merely the original battle lines re-drawn halfway through the initial skirmish before the big war that is to come soon... (leaving WB to be the neutral party for "the foreseeable future")
Either way, it's fine to watch upscaled DVDs on my PS3... and the occasional Blu-Ray title... (like Blade Runner... booyah!)
When the DVD market "matured" (marketeers.. blech) we saw a TON of shovelware coming... just about every movie made is on DVD (or has been) and has at least 3 "editions" if the movie made more than $5 at the box office.
(Some that should've died on the vine, to be honest...)
Now, contrast that with the HD market... where we have limited selection, and a really large amount of head-scratching movie choices (Smokey and the Bandit? Really?), we're beginning to see the shovelware early... as trial balloons for the new format... and like Universal and their "DRM-free" music "experiment", the movie studios are simply hedging their bets, knowing that Ma and Pa Kettle are still using regular DVD, and their cash flow is dependent on that format for some time to come...
Paramount going only HD DVD (since they were initially an HD DVD backer, and went dual format only for a short time), this is not necessarily a coup in terms of "rats leaving a sinking Blu-Ray ship" or the like. It's merely the original battle lines re-drawn halfway through the initial skirmish before the big war that is to come soon... (leaving WB to be the neutral party for "the foreseeable future")
Either way, it's fine to watch upscaled DVDs on my PS3... and the occasional Blu-Ray title... (like Blade Runner... booyah!)
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as long as I get a High Def Blade Runner (coming, 2001 (coming), Akira Kurosawa's Ran, Akira, Dune, and the star wars and Indiana jones trilogy I'm fine. although I noticed that a lot of Dvd's from the older catalog don't look as good in high def cause they don't clean the prints or restore the colors as much and have bad authoring studios. they look marginally better than regular dvd. So I doubt that the princess bride will look that much better in high def as dvd just like north by northwest which looks amazing on sdvd. The beauty of DVD is that it's allowed us to wait patiently.
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[quote name='Mechafenris']At least (according to Amazon) so far we can still get Blade Runner Ultimate Collection on Blu-ray or HDDVD....
Either with or without the briefcase and origami unicorn.
As things go, this is one of those films I'd like to see most done up properly on HD... and the added feature of having yet another director's version (along with all the others that Ridley's done over the years) is a big plus... having Deckard's briefcase and an origami unicorn isn't all that hot, but hey... to each his own.
(Blade Runner was Warner Bros. IIRC.)[/QUOTE]
hell yeah, I got that pre-ordered at amazon. hopefully they come through on that $30 pre-order price.
psh, I'm still amazed that the first "rub your face in it" movie mentioned wasing Transformers.
guess nobody has heard of movies made before 2007...like ya know, the godfather
Either with or without the briefcase and origami unicorn.
As things go, this is one of those films I'd like to see most done up properly on HD... and the added feature of having yet another director's version (along with all the others that Ridley's done over the years) is a big plus... having Deckard's briefcase and an origami unicorn isn't all that hot, but hey... to each his own.
(Blade Runner was Warner Bros. IIRC.)[/QUOTE]
hell yeah, I got that pre-ordered at amazon. hopefully they come through on that $30 pre-order price.
psh, I'm still amazed that the first "rub your face in it" movie mentioned was
ing Transformers. guess nobody has heard of movies made before 2007...like ya know, the godfather
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People keep going nuts over whether HD-DVD or Blu-ray will win.
I remember back with VHS/Beta that it was the same kind of tug of war. Each one would occassionally pull ahead for a short period. Eventually, everyone got on board with VHS because the licensing was cheaper from JVC (and I'm sure porn had something to do with it).
Anyway, even with Blu-ray sales up and now the Paramount deal, I still think it's too early to tell.
Toss a $100 HD-DVD player out there compared with a $400 Blu-ray player and it'd be over - you just never know. I was surprised when Blu-ray started to pull ahead. All the Paramount deal did was change the statement from: "Only Universal is HD-DVD only" to "Universal and Paramount are the two studios that are HD-DVD only."
Not a huge shift except when you consider the snubbing because Paramount already had Blu-ray titles out. Someone must have ticked them off.
(just a bunch of random thoughts)
I remember back with VHS/Beta that it was the same kind of tug of war. Each one would occassionally pull ahead for a short period. Eventually, everyone got on board with VHS because the licensing was cheaper from JVC (and I'm sure porn had something to do with it).
Anyway, even with Blu-ray sales up and now the Paramount deal, I still think it's too early to tell.
Toss a $100 HD-DVD player out there compared with a $400 Blu-ray player and it'd be over - you just never know. I was surprised when Blu-ray started to pull ahead. All the Paramount deal did was change the statement from: "Only Universal is HD-DVD only" to "Universal and Paramount are the two studios that are HD-DVD only."
Not a huge shift except when you consider the snubbing because Paramount already had Blu-ray titles out. Someone must have ticked them off.
(just a bunch of random thoughts)
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[quote name='Brad Bishop']People keep going nuts over whether HD-DVD or Blu-ray will win.
Not a huge shift except when you consider the snubbing because Paramount already had Blu-ray titles out. Someone must have ticked them off.
(just a bunch of random thoughts)[/QUOTE]
Paramount was originally an HD DVD only supporter... they went dual format for a short time... then got some dough from the HD DVD consortium (or whatever they're called) for another 18 month exclusivity contract and they're back on the HD DVD only wagon... I'm sure they initially got some dough from the BR folks to go dual format...
Warner seems to be the only one who's supporting both....
But it's like any tug-o-war... we get some advancement one way, then another... we'll see how HD DVD sales go with the cheaper and cheaper players... it might give them a boost...
Not a huge shift except when you consider the snubbing because Paramount already had Blu-ray titles out. Someone must have ticked them off.
(just a bunch of random thoughts)[/QUOTE]
Paramount was originally an HD DVD only supporter... they went dual format for a short time... then got some dough from the HD DVD consortium (or whatever they're called) for another 18 month exclusivity contract and they're back on the HD DVD only wagon... I'm sure they initially got some dough from the BR folks to go dual format...
Warner seems to be the only one who's supporting both....
But it's like any tug-o-war... we get some advancement one way, then another... we'll see how HD DVD sales go with the cheaper and cheaper players... it might give them a boost...
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One thing I keep reading is the Java-enabled stuff for HD-DVD and how Blu-Ray will be behind in that one (new players in Oct or something).
Am I the only one who hates the 'extra content' on DVDs.
I really just want to watch the movie. The DVD menus (current DVDs, not Blu-ray/HD-DVD) are horrible in that you can't tell what's highlighted on a menu a lot of times. It's just a klutzy interface.
Add Java to that - well, then I get to wait for extra stuff I don't want to load.
Anyway - I'm not looking forward to it.
Oh, I hope they dump the 'advertisements' on the DVD idea. It's dumb that I have DVDs from 10 years ago with advertisements that are only relevant to that time-period. Some of them you have to watch because the DVD feature set lets them lock out the controls - Genius!
Am I the only one who hates the 'extra content' on DVDs.
I really just want to watch the movie. The DVD menus (current DVDs, not Blu-ray/HD-DVD) are horrible in that you can't tell what's highlighted on a menu a lot of times. It's just a klutzy interface.
Add Java to that - well, then I get to wait for extra stuff I don't want to load.
Anyway - I'm not looking forward to it.
Oh, I hope they dump the 'advertisements' on the DVD idea. It's dumb that I have DVDs from 10 years ago with advertisements that are only relevant to that time-period. Some of them you have to watch because the DVD feature set lets them lock out the controls - Genius!
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[quote name='Brad Bishop']
Am I the only one who hates the 'extra content' on DVDs.
Oh, I hope they dump the 'advertisements' on the DVD idea. It's dumb that I have DVDs from 10 years ago with advertisements that are only relevant to that time-period. Some of them you have to watch because the DVD feature set lets them lock out the controls - Genius![/QUOTE]
I'm with you as well. Other than say a commentary track and a blooper reel, I wouldn't miss ANY of the 'features' that get put out on a given DVD/HD movie. And the "must watch" disclaimers, warnings, and that asinine commercial about "stealing" (I bought the stupid thing... how come I have to watch it only on _some_ movies?) have to go.
Hi-def movies need to ditch the ads, the annoying instances of "you copy this, you die" disclaimers and FBI warnings... because at the price they're charging for HD movies, I don't want to see anything but what I _choose_ to see.
Is that so hard? Oh yeah, we're dealing with a faceless group of corporations who really believe their content is life-sustaining and that their existence in the world would be missed if somehow movies disappeared. Delusional? I guess it's proof corporations _can_ be people after all... not just in the eyes of the law.
Am I the only one who hates the 'extra content' on DVDs.
Oh, I hope they dump the 'advertisements' on the DVD idea. It's dumb that I have DVDs from 10 years ago with advertisements that are only relevant to that time-period. Some of them you have to watch because the DVD feature set lets them lock out the controls - Genius![/QUOTE]
I'm with you as well. Other than say a commentary track and a blooper reel, I wouldn't miss ANY of the 'features' that get put out on a given DVD/HD movie. And the "must watch" disclaimers, warnings, and that asinine commercial about "stealing" (I bought the stupid thing... how come I have to watch it only on _some_ movies?) have to go.
Hi-def movies need to ditch the ads, the annoying instances of "you copy this, you die" disclaimers and FBI warnings... because at the price they're charging for HD movies, I don't want to see anything but what I _choose_ to see.
Is that so hard? Oh yeah, we're dealing with a faceless group of corporations who really believe their content is life-sustaining and that their existence in the world would be missed if somehow movies disappeared.
Delusional? I guess it's proof corporations _can_ be people after all... not just in the eyes of the law.
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[quote name='Apossum']hell yeah, I got that pre-ordered at amazon. hopefully they come through on that $30 pre-order price.
psh, I'm still amazed that the first "rub your face in it" movie mentioned wasing Transformers.
guess nobody has heard of movies made before 2007...like ya know, the godfather[/QUOTE]
I admit, I've not seen Transformers... but you're right, the great movies aren't even mentioned.. additionally, it's like finding a needle in a haystack which classic movies _do_ get the HD treatment... Some of the us enjoy older movies... and not because we eat applesauce through a straw and watch Matlock marathons in our Depends.
I think the policy for Amazon is we get the locked in price that we pre-ordered it at, and it only gets affected if it goes down... (we get the lowest possible price, I mean.) So if they suddenly decide to charge $60 for the non-briefcase set, we're still in the clear (I pre-ordered mine as well... heheh)
psh, I'm still amazed that the first "rub your face in it" movie mentioned was
ing Transformers. guess nobody has heard of movies made before 2007...like ya know, the godfather
[/QUOTE]I admit, I've not seen Transformers... but you're right, the great movies aren't even mentioned.. additionally, it's like finding a needle in a haystack which classic movies _do_ get the HD treatment... Some of the us enjoy older movies... and not because we eat applesauce through a straw and watch Matlock marathons in our Depends.
I think the policy for Amazon is we get the locked in price that we pre-ordered it at, and it only gets affected if it goes down... (we get the lowest possible price, I mean.) So if they suddenly decide to charge $60 for the non-briefcase set, we're still in the clear (I pre-ordered mine as well... heheh)
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[quote name='dschroll']Except all current BR players aren't capable of playing those features. Sony is modifying the BR spec as of Oct 31, 2007 in order to match HD DVDs current capabilities. All those cool web enabled features or PiP features that ALL HD DVD players can already do, BR players made after Oct. 31 will have to adhere to these new specs. What does that mean for all current BR players and accessing those features on discs that use them? You're SOL and need to buy a new BR player.
Bravo Sony for releasing an incomplete format and screwing over your early adopters.[/QUOTE]
Actaully all existing players can use the Java features. The only things they won't actually do is (and some actually can with a simple firmware update, which HD has done a few times as well) PiP commentary and internet connectivity for certain features. Now who actually uses those features? Sure I do at times, and you too I assume. But bottomline is while they seem cool to us, most of the consumers could probably care less (considering they hardly use the special features in alot of DVDs). Hardly anyting in HD DVD even utilizes these features so far well enough to matter (Wow, I can watch trailers online...). So while I agree with you in theory, I think that it isn't such a big deal that HD DVD/Anti-Sony bias folks like yourself make it out to be. Also, the PS3, the widest selling BD device is capable of those features IIRC.
Bravo Sony for releasing an incomplete format and screwing over your early adopters.[/QUOTE]
Actaully all existing players can use the Java features. The only things they won't actually do is (and some actually can with a simple firmware update, which HD has done a few times as well) PiP commentary and internet connectivity for certain features. Now who actually uses those features? Sure I do at times, and you too I assume. But bottomline is while they seem cool to us, most of the consumers could probably care less (considering they hardly use the special features in alot of DVDs). Hardly anyting in HD DVD even utilizes these features so far well enough to matter (Wow, I can watch trailers online...). So while I agree with you in theory, I think that it isn't such a big deal that HD DVD/Anti-Sony bias folks like yourself make it out to be. Also, the PS3, the widest selling BD device is capable of those features IIRC.
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i think dschroll got it right.
BR is a nice format, but will it win?
right now the war is boiling hot between studios and player manufactures. There are only so many people who actually reallt own a BR or HDDVD player. I assume that it is not enough for deciding which one will eventually win.
BR is backed by Sony, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney and Metro Goldwyn-Mayer. On the other side you have Dreamworks, Paramount and Universal who support HDDVD, but also have a big backing form parts of the IT- and Copiercompanies.
Thing is, HDDVD are easier to produce than BR since it does not require new machines.
What makes me really mad, is all the things they are included and you do not want to have.
DRM, HFS, PVP-OPM, PVP-UAB. With this included you have no rights whatsoever over the content anymore. Perhaps just watch it and thats it. And if you do not have the right monitor or TV you do not see even a thing.
Are people aware of that? I doubt.
I am not sure what Sony really plans ahead, but Sony fooled the public serveral times that makes me tired.
The pricedrop was not a real pricedrop, since they face out the 60GB in favor for the 80GB model.
Also, Sony always considered the PS3 not as a Gamingmachince, rather than a Multimedia Hub. So there is a change in which light you have to see the PS3 as such.
Personally, i don't even care which one wins, since i do not have the money to buy neither one. So i let that to the people they have the money.
But one thing for sure, the Wii will certainly crush both of the competing consoles in sales. Just wait this holiday season....
BR is a nice format, but will it win?
right now the war is boiling hot between studios and player manufactures. There are only so many people who actually reallt own a BR or HDDVD player. I assume that it is not enough for deciding which one will eventually win.
BR is backed by Sony, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney and Metro Goldwyn-Mayer. On the other side you have Dreamworks, Paramount and Universal who support HDDVD, but also have a big backing form parts of the IT- and Copiercompanies.
Thing is, HDDVD are easier to produce than BR since it does not require new machines.
What makes me really mad, is all the things they are included and you do not want to have.
DRM, HFS, PVP-OPM, PVP-UAB. With this included you have no rights whatsoever over the content anymore. Perhaps just watch it and thats it. And if you do not have the right monitor or TV you do not see even a thing.
Are people aware of that? I doubt.
I am not sure what Sony really plans ahead, but Sony fooled the public serveral times that makes me tired.
The pricedrop was not a real pricedrop, since they face out the 60GB in favor for the 80GB model.
Also, Sony always considered the PS3 not as a Gamingmachince, rather than a Multimedia Hub. So there is a change in which light you have to see the PS3 as such.
Personally, i don't even care which one wins, since i do not have the money to buy neither one. So i let that to the people they have the money.
But one thing for sure, the Wii will certainly crush both of the competing consoles in sales. Just wait this holiday season....
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[quote name='anomynous']Apossum, I have a reply to your godfather comment:
Which will benefit more from HD, Transformers or The Godfather Trilogy?[/QUOTE]
Transformers.
counter: Goodfellas looks as good as it ever has on Blu-Ray. also, which movie is good and which movie was created for the purpose of cashing in on your nostalgia?
Which will benefit more from HD, Transformers or The Godfather Trilogy?[/QUOTE]
Transformers.
counter: Goodfellas looks as good as it ever has on Blu-Ray. also, which movie is good and which movie was created for the purpose of cashing in on your nostalgia?
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[quote name='Apossum']Transformers.
counter: Goodfellas looks as good as it ever has on Blu-Ray. also, which movie is good and which movie was created for the purpose of cashing in on your nostalgia?[/QUOTE]
dont get me wrong, i love goodfellas and the godfather trilogy, and will buy it 1st day with out 2nd thought
counter: Goodfellas looks as good as it ever has on Blu-Ray. also, which movie is good and which movie was created for the purpose of cashing in on your nostalgia?
[/QUOTE]dont get me wrong, i love goodfellas and the godfather trilogy, and will buy it 1st day with out 2nd thought
Personally i have no gripe against HD-DVD. I just prefer Blu-Ray as i like the Console -> HDMI -> TV connection rather than the 360 addon -> USB cable -> Console -> VGA/Component -> TV connection.
Probably nothing, but i always thought that USB 2.0 could only go up to 12Mb/s, and that some HD-DVDs have bitrates up to 17Mb/s.
Its not like if one goes out, all of the discs for the losing format are going to spontaniously combust. You'll still be able to watch all the movies you already have. I wouldnt be one bit suprised if after a while all the companies started releasing everything on TotalHD.
Probably nothing, but i always thought that USB 2.0 could only go up to 12Mb/s, and that some HD-DVDs have bitrates up to 17Mb/s.
Its not like if one goes out, all of the discs for the losing format are going to spontaniously combust. You'll still be able to watch all the movies you already have. I wouldnt be one bit suprised if after a while all the companies started releasing everything on TotalHD.
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yea the only br releases this year for me are prob spidey,pirates, and surfer.
Amazon has the best price on the set so far.
Everything else hd dvd for me. Transformers is going to be huge!
Amazon has the best price on the set so far.
Everything else hd dvd for me. Transformers is going to be huge!
i don't know about Transformer... i'm a TF fan (still got the original Dinobots), but hell, i haven't watch the movie yet. Megatron is not a gun? That's not Transformer then
Anyhow, since the movie will not be on BD (HD-DVD only), i'm gonna pick up the dvd (upscaling is still good).
Anyhow, since the movie will not be on BD (HD-DVD only), i'm gonna pick up the dvd (upscaling is still good).
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I don't give a crap about Transformers, but there are enough Paramount Pictures films that will justify me buying an HD-DVD player eventually. Especially when players become the uber cheap. Just browse this list and you will see why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Paramount_Pictures_films
[quote name='Bezerker']Personally i have no gripe against HD-DVD. I just prefer Blu-Ray as i like the Console -> HDMI -> TV connection rather than the 360 addon -> USB cable -> Console -> VGA/Component -> TV connection.
Probably nothing, but i always thought that USB 2.0 could only go up to 12Mb/s, and that some HD-DVDs have bitrates up to 17Mb/s.
Its not like if one goes out, all of the discs for the losing format are going to spontaniously combust. You'll still be able to watch all the movies you already have. I wouldnt be one bit suprised if after a while all the companies started releasing everything on TotalHD.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I am a movie lover and have enough invested in both formats to where it wouldnt matter if either format went belly up tomorrow, Id have enough goodies to play on that system, and could probably take advantage of the clearancing out of discs for that format... but as it is, neither will be going anywhere anytime soon. Its nice I dont have to worry about not finding a new release on either format since I have them. Alot of people on the fence are not as big of movies fans and would have alot more to lose, my friend has his hd-dvd add on... and King Kong, that is it. WHY did he even buy it?
Probably nothing, but i always thought that USB 2.0 could only go up to 12Mb/s, and that some HD-DVDs have bitrates up to 17Mb/s.
Its not like if one goes out, all of the discs for the losing format are going to spontaniously combust. You'll still be able to watch all the movies you already have. I wouldnt be one bit suprised if after a while all the companies started releasing everything on TotalHD.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I am a movie lover and have enough invested in both formats to where it wouldnt matter if either format went belly up tomorrow, Id have enough goodies to play on that system, and could probably take advantage of the clearancing out of discs for that format... but as it is, neither will be going anywhere anytime soon. Its nice I dont have to worry about not finding a new release on either format since I have them. Alot of people on the fence are not as big of movies fans and would have alot more to lose, my friend has his hd-dvd add on... and King Kong, that is it. WHY did he even buy it?
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Well that may be, but instead of dvds or " blu-ray" other companies that'l not be named *NintendoMicrosoft* are focusing on games. I was on the fence about buying a ps3, but looking through the forums you only mention like 2 games. so blu ray isn't attractive enough fo me to waste/spend $600...
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[quote name='MemphisGun']Well that may be, but instead of dvds or " blu-ray" other companies that'l not be named *NintendoMicrosoft* are focusing on games. I was on the fence about buying a ps3, but looking through the forums you only mention like 2 games. so blu ray isn't attractive enough fo me to waste/spend $600...[/QUOTE]
Only two? Resistance, Motorstorm, NG:S, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk, Stranglehold, Folklore....
And so much more... Focusing on Blu-Ray indeed.
Only two? Resistance, Motorstorm, NG:S, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Warhawk, Stranglehold, Folklore....
And so much more... Focusing on Blu-Ray indeed.
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[quote name='anomynous']dont get me wrong, i love goodfellas and the godfather trilogy, and will buy it 1st day with out 2nd thought[/QUOTE]
the thing is, the Goodfellas blu-ray is not a huge upgrade from the dvd version. They could have definitely remastered it better. And the Godfather looks pretty bad on upconverted dvd and the source needs a whole new cleaning. I'm all for goodfellas and godfather and apocalypse now on blu-ray but they need to be blu-ray calibur quality not slightly better looking than dvd. I was pissed off when I popped in my goodfellas blu-ray and just got something marginally better. I should have just kept my DVD instead of selling it on ebay for 5 bucks and then rebuying the blu-ray for 25 bucks. After that I stopped selling my dvd's and just bought the blu-rays that actually had stellar pq reviews. and another thing on this hd-dvd debate. Why don't hd-dvd people understand that they will NEVER ever get sony columbia tristar films????? that should have ended this stupid war. Blu-ray owners will eventually get universal, paramount and dreamworks but hd-dvd will rot in hell before sony ever puts anything on HD-dvd.
the thing is, the Goodfellas blu-ray is not a huge upgrade from the dvd version. They could have definitely remastered it better. And the Godfather looks pretty bad on upconverted dvd and the source needs a whole new cleaning. I'm all for goodfellas and godfather and apocalypse now on blu-ray but they need to be blu-ray calibur quality not slightly better looking than dvd. I was pissed off when I popped in my goodfellas blu-ray and just got something marginally better. I should have just kept my DVD instead of selling it on ebay for 5 bucks and then rebuying the blu-ray for 25 bucks. After that I stopped selling my dvd's and just bought the blu-rays that actually had stellar pq reviews. and another thing on this hd-dvd debate. Why don't hd-dvd people understand that they will NEVER ever get sony columbia tristar films????? that should have ended this stupid war. Blu-ray owners will eventually get universal, paramount and dreamworks but hd-dvd will rot in hell before sony ever puts anything on HD-dvd.
[quote name='MemphisGun']Well that may be, but instead of dvds or " blu-ray" other companies that'l not be named *NintendoMicrosoft* are focusing on games. I was on the fence about buying a ps3, but looking through the forums you only mention like 2 games. so blu ray isn't attractive enough fo me to waste/spend $600...[/QUOTE]
I've heard companies have the ability to multitask, is this true?
I've heard companies have the ability to multitask, is this true?
[quote name='TimPV3']Blu-Ray has Spiderman, Pirates, and Harry Potter. 11 movies right there with 2 more gauranteed, so who the cares about some Transvestites?[/QUOTE]
Settle down fanboy...
and if im not mistaken Harry Potter is a WB title so it would be on both formats...
... not that it matters since I have both formats
cares about some Transvestites?[/QUOTE]Settle down fanboy...
and if im not mistaken Harry Potter is a WB title so it would be on both formats...
... not that it matters since I have both formats
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