Borderlands discussion - Is Moxxi hot or not?

[quote name='bsmiff']I didn't expect something similar to Fallout, but was rather saying that I was accustomed to playing a FPS/RPG with a substantial story and interesting characters--something I didn't find while playing Borderlands. I'm not trying to crank up a FO3 vs. Borderlands debate (although saying the two are nothing alike seems a bit ignorant). I just want to know what you guys enjoy about Borderlands.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you or whatever. I genuinely don't consider Borderlands and Fallout 3 to be similar games, except in the sense that you play from a first person perspective and use guns. But you wouldn't compare Fallout to, say, Portal, even though it's also a first person game where you shoot guns. Or Call of Duty for that matter. That's all I meant.

Like eastx said, the fun in Borderlands is in constantly finding better loot for your character. In a game like Fallout 3, the substance of the game is the story progression, and combat is an obstacle between you and the next conversation or cutscene. In Borderlands, the combat is the substance. The story and characters were window dressing, and though I personally found the characters and situations entertaining, I actually think that putting any more emphasis on story than they did would have just distracted from the game's real strengths.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']Sorry, didn't mean to offend you or whatever. I genuinely don't consider Borderlands and Fallout 3 to be similar games, except in the sense that you play from a first person perspective and use guns. But you wouldn't compare Fallout to, say, Portal, even though it's also a first person game where you shoot guns. Or Call of Duty for that matter. That's all I meant.

Like eastx said, the fun in Borderlands is in constantly finding better loot for your character. In a game like Fallout 3, the substance of the game is the story progression, and combat is an obstacle between you and the next conversation or cutscene. In Borderlands, the combat is the substance. The story and characters were window dressing, and though I personally found the characters and situations entertaining, I actually think that putting any more emphasis on story than they did would have just distracted from the game's real strengths.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. I paid more attention to the story in Borderlands than I did to Fallout 3's story.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']Sorry, didn't mean to offend you or whatever. I genuinely don't consider Borderlands and Fallout 3 to be similar games, except in the sense that you play from a first person perspective and use guns. But you wouldn't compare Fallout to, say, Portal, even though it's also a first person game where you shoot guns. Or Call of Duty for that matter. That's all I meant.

Like eastx said, the fun in Borderlands is in constantly finding better loot for your character. In a game like Fallout 3, the substance of the game is the story progression, and combat is an obstacle between you and the next conversation or cutscene. In Borderlands, the combat is the substance. The story and characters were window dressing, and though I personally found the characters and situations entertaining, I actually think that putting any more emphasis on story than they did would have just distracted from the game's real strengths.[/QUOTE]

No offense taken, mate. I do see similarities beyond what you do (wasteland-style setting, mutants and raiders, RPG elements blended with FPS elements, etc.) but to each his own.

Saying the combat is the substance makes a lot of sense. If I stumble into buying another copy I'll definitely be sure to focus on playing co-op. Thanks guys!
 
I think FO3 and borderlands seem to oppose each other terms of FPS and RPG balance. While both try to be a mix of RPG and FPS style games, Borderlands is more like FPS with RPG lite mixed in, whereas FO3 is more like RPG with FPS lite mixed in.

Ruahrc
 
I wish I could play Fallout 3 using the Borderlands engine. Fallout 3 is great but it's more like work...
playing Borderlands is like slipping on a comfortable pair of socks...mmmm.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']Expecting something similar to Fallout 3 was possibly your problem. I don't know why Borderlands always seems to get compared to Fallout, they're really nothing alike. Not that Borderlands is a perfect game and it's impossible for someone to just not like it... but, yeah. Maybe it's just not your thing.[/QUOTE]

Haha yeah I think it's the post apocalyptic environments because the guy who reviewed Borderlands for Gamesradar thought the same thing.
 
Lawless ... post apocalyptic lol

Yeah the greatness about the whole game is the freedom that people have on Pandora. Basically you gotta be in a gang to survive or carry a gun that has electricity infused bullets! :cool:
 
My buddies asked me how/what Borderlands was like and I said "Diablo 2 with guns and kinda like Fallout 3 w/out vats." They all got the analogy and thought it was good description. I played all 3, enjoyed all 3 immensely, and still kick it every so often.

Now with RAGE coming out it'll be "oh it's like Borderlands on crack with MW2 combat and insane graphics."
 
[quote name='Richlough']Is all the DLC worth it ?
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This has been answered hundreds, if not thousands of times in this very thread. Read a few pages, why dontcha?
 
[quote name='eastx']This has been answered hundreds, if not thousands of times in this very thread. Read a few pages, why dontcha?[/QUOTE]

C'mon dude, 1350 posts ?

I don't have time for needles in haystacks .

Thanks, I'm sure it would've been easier to answer me instead of scolding me .
 
[quote name='Richlough']C'mon dude, 1350 posts ?

I don't have time for needles in haystacks .

Thanks, I'm sure it would've been easier to answer me instead of scolding me .[/QUOTE]

You could have read my post on the previous page to this one ;)
They are all awesome with possible exception of Moxxi's Underdome.


[quote name='porieux']I have the GOTY and I would say the Claptrap one seems pretty fun so far. Knoxx is good too but hard as hell, great if you are really leveled up though I guess. Really the only suspect one is Moxxi.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Richlough']C'mon dude, 1350 posts ?

I don't have time for needles in haystacks .

Thanks, I'm sure it would've been easier to answer me instead of scolding me .[/QUOTE]

Thankfully we have managed to harness the incredible power of modern computing devices to quickly search through large amounts of data.

I mean really, you set yourself up for that one ;)

Ruahrc
 
[quote name='Richlough']C'mon dude, 1350 posts ?

I don't have time for needles in haystacks .

Thanks, I'm sure it would've been easier to answer me instead of scolding me .[/QUOTE]

Zombie Island, General Knoxx, and Claptraps Revolution were all well worth it to me and you will get a lot of gameplay hours out of all three. Moxxi's is only worth it if you want the extra storage space from the weapon bank that you get in it, the content itself is not worth it at all in my opinion.
 
[quote name='life.exe']Zombie Island, General Knoxx, and Claptraps Revolution were all well worth it to me and you will get a lot of gameplay hours out of all three[/QUOTE]

Oh you will get plenty of gameplay hours from Moxxie as well, they're just not very fun gameplay hours.
 
[quote name='Corvin']Oh you will get plenty of gameplay hours from Moxxie as well, they're just not very fun gameplay hours.[/QUOTE]

Corvin speaks the truth.
 
I still have yet to play any DLC other than Zombie Island which I thought was a total blast. Maybe I'll pick up the others during this sale if they're a good enough price...all but Moxxie, you guys make it seem like its just a chore.
 
"Chore" is putting it nicely. It would be a different matter if you could earn XP or find decent weapons, but you don't get either(whomever made that decision was off their rocker). It's basically an exercise in patience. However as mentioned, it gives you the weapons bank AND 2 new skill points.
 
All 4 Borderlands DLC expansions are 400 Points each this week. Get them if you don't have 'em! Also, the Moxxi avatar hat is 50% off.
 
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Would it be a better deal to buy something from GS since theyre having that b2g1 free or b1newg1used free.

I was thinking about buying borderlands+nba2k11+ filler
and then buying all the DLC. would that be a smart thing to do or should i just buy the goty edition?
I'm asking this since I have 4000 MSP i need to burn.
 
[quote name='eastx']All 4 Borderlands DLC expansions are 400 Points this week. Get them if you don't have 'em! Also, the Moxxi avatar hat is 50% off.[/QUOTE]

Is that 400 points each or 400 for all four total?
 
[quote name='chankk']Would it be a better deal to buy something from GS since theyre having that b2g1 free or b1newg1used free.

I was thinking about buying borderlands+nba2k11+ filler
and then buying all the DLC. would that be a smart thing to do or should i just buy the goty edition?
I'm asking this since I have 4000 MSP i need to burn.[/QUOTE]Depends on what the cost would end up being at GS. If you can find one at a Blockbuster it'll be $9.99. Add on four expansions at $5 each and the total cost would $30. That looks high to a CAG like me, but I got them all at $5 each in previous sales and all but Moxxi is easily worth it (haven't played the last one yet but it seems worth it) and if you're a completionist then Moxxi is probably worth it for the bank, achievements, extra skill points.

[quote name='Spybreak8']Yeah I'm contemplating picking up Moxxi just for the bank at that price.[/QUOTE]I did for that reason and the skill points, but I'm a gun collector.
 
[quote name='jdawgg76']
I did for that reason and the skill points, but I'm a gun collector.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I grabbed Moxxi's DLC for the same reason. I thought having a shared loot bin or bank would be in the core game but it seems like that's what the fans asked for with it being released as DLC later on. Now I'm back in my Guild Wars gaming mindset lol, loot, loot, loot!

I tried doing the Underdome Arena but got as far as the first boss level and died, game over lol. Well was playing my Siren character, not really the biggest solo character. If I had my soldier I bet I could have gone a bit farther because he's a good tank, (basically a Tank/Monk with the healing turret and all).

Update: Yup went all 5 Waves, 5 rounds with my Soldier. Was a bit dicey at spots and thankfully I came back with second wind a few times too. Had the most difficulty with Horde wave and well the being naked attribute on! lol
 
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[quote name='Spybreak8']Yeah I grabbed Moxxi's DLC for the same reason. I thought having a shared loot bin or bank would be in the core game but it seems like that's what the fans asked for with it being released as DLC later on. Now I'm back in my Guild Wars gaming mindset lol, loot, loot, loot!

I tried doing the Underdome Arena but got as far as the first boss level and died, game over lol. Well was playing my Siren character, not really the biggest solo character. If I had my soldier I bet I could have gone a bit farther because he's a good tank, (basically a Tank/Monk with the healing turret and all).

Update: Yup went all 5 Waves, 5 rounds with my Soldier. Was a bit dicey at spots and thankfully I came back with second wind a few times too. Had the most difficulty with Horde wave and well the being naked attribute on! lol[/QUOTE]

Wait until you try the large tournaments. 20 rounds of five waves each. I'm going to be doing the last one with my cousin tonight for the achievements and then we don't plan on ever doing them again. If anybody wants to join in to make it go faster (and unlock achievements) you can send a friend request. GT: Renegade Moose.
 
Speaking of a chore, leveling on this game takes forever. I am most of the way through a second playthrough(finished zombie island and claptrap on playthrough 2 but had to go back to playthrough 1 to do knoxx) and still only level 49. I tried to do knoxx again on my 2nd playthrough only to find it had scaled itself too high and I couldn't even get out of town before getting massacred by those ninjas. I didn't even get to do crawmerax on playthrough 1 because of him being 61. I think I gained 2 levels through all 3 dlc and find leveling just takes way too long and things are e
 
Speaking of a chore, leveling on this game takes forever. I am most of the way through a second playthrough(finished zombie island and claptrap on playthrough 2 but had to go back to playthrough 1 to do knoxx) and still only level 49. I tried to do knoxx again on my 2nd playthrough only to find it had scaled itself too high and I couldn't even get out of town before getting massacred by those ninjas. I didn't even get to do crawmerax on playthrough 1 because of him being 61. I think I gained 2 levels through all 3 dlc and find leveling just takes way too long and things are eIther too hard or way too easy. Any recommendations for faster leveling or anyone else have the scaling issues?
 
[quote name='Renegade Moose']Wait until you try the large tournaments. 20 rounds of five waves each. I'm going to be doing the last one with my cousin tonight for the achievements and then we don't plan on ever doing them again. If anybody wants to join in to make it go faster (and unlock achievements) you can send a friend request. GT: Renegade Moose.[/QUOTE]What time do you plan on starting/stopping? I'll be available from about 10p to 1a eastern.
 
[quote name='WTPolaris']I think I gained 2 levels through all 3 dlc and find leveling just takes way too long and things are eIther too hard or way too easy. Any recommendations for faster leveling or anyone else have the scaling issues?[/QUOTE]

Once you're on playthrough 2, you never want to go back to playthrough 1 because you will not be getting any XP because you will be way over-leveled. I don't know how you only got 2 levels playing through 3 different DLC's. I easily got 5+ levels from each DLC.

If you need to level up to play the DLC, just go to the Eridian Promontory in the main game (on playthrough 2) and do a bunch of runs there until you are at the level you need to be to begin the DLC. Or, go online and find some people doing Crawmerax runs and let them boost you.
 
Joining co-op games is a great suggestion. Even if you need to hang back a little because you're not quite strong enough to deal with the enemies, you'll level up quickly.
 
[quote name='jdawgg76']What time do you plan on starting/stopping? I'll be available from about 10p to 1a eastern.[/QUOTE]

Crap. Sorry, I didn't have a chance to get back on the boards last night before we played. Had too much going on last night. We were on from about 9:30-12:30 central.

What a chore. There are so many ways that could have actually been fun: keep the waves the same size instead of increasing spawns, better weapons drops after each round, actually giving XP...

Now all I have left are the three class achievements and the Claptrap collection achievements. I wish there was a quick way to get those other then farming MINAC.
 
I got this game for christmas but haven't even started playing it yet. I still might want to pick up some of the DLC now that its on sale. Which ones are the best?
 
Farming MINAC and got the What A Party Achievement. I did it for about an hour tonight and saw a few oil cans and I don't think I saw a single bobblehead. Is there a spot where these drop more often?
Damn you, Gearbox. Dangling that carrot so close in front of me yet still out of reach...
 
MINAC is the best best, you just might need to do it for 5-8 hours before you get everything. Are you just hiding somewhere and letting the kamikaze traps kill themselves, or are you actively killing them as they spawn? The latter actually causes a lot more of them to spawn and will get you drops a lot faster.
 
[quote name='Ryuukishi']MINAC is the best best, you just might need to do it for 5-8 hours before you get everything. Are you just hiding somewhere and letting the kamikaze traps kill themselves, or are you actively killing them as they spawn? The latter actually causes a lot more of them to spawn and will get you drops a lot faster.[/QUOTE]

I just finished getting all the achievements last night!
I was actively killing them. It took me two sessions of about an hour each so two hours total. Not too bad, but not terribly fun either. Still better than doing Mad Moxxi I think. Not sure why but the first session I don't remember picking up a single bobblehead. The second one I picked up quite a few.
 
I just completed 3 farming sessions and still am not done. I just need to complete the oil can achievement and the "what a party" one (need pizzas for that). I chose the hiding in the rocks method because as a hunter I would otherwise die too often. The first time I let it go for an hour maybe an hour and a half. The second and third were about 3 hours each before I killed MINAC and picked up the stuff. The drop rates for some of this stuff is horrible! Through all that, I only got maybe 3 or 4 pizzas of the 12 or so I need (I probably got 2 or 3 through beating the DLC). Needless to say I've probably picked up several hundred motherboards, gears, and wires by now. I've been wearing an item that has +3 extra item drops, don't know if it helps or not.

How long in total has it been taking you guys to do this? This is almost as bad as Mad Moxxi and that's saying a lot!

Ruahrc
 
It took me one leave-the-Xbox-on-overnight session, probably 9 or 10 hours total. For part of that time I was actively destroying Claptraps, but the bulk of it was spent hiding behind rocks. I was on PT1 though, so my level 61 Siren was essentially invincible anyway. Going back and finishing it on PT1 also netted me my final bonus skill point-- not that I'll probably ever play the game again, but still.
 
I thought that if you left it to go too long that eventually the game would max out on items which meant more claptraps would spawn/die but they wouldn't drop any loot. Which is why I cut it off after a couple hours. If I let it go 8 hours will I get more items on the ground?

Also I don't have a play and charge kit or wired controller so my controller goes to sleep if I don't periodically move one of the sticks, press a button, etc.

How dense would you say the loot was covered on the ground after 8 hours? I noticed when I was collecting stuff up I'd pick everything up in one area and then come back to it later to see that more items had appeared in areas I thought I had cleared. Anyone else see this? As if the game recorded an item drop there but could only display so many?

Ruahrc
 
[quote name='Ruahrc']I just completed 3 farming sessions and still am not done. I just need to complete the oil can achievement and the "what a party" one (need pizzas for that). I chose the hiding in the rocks method because as a hunter I would otherwise die too often. The first time I let it go for an hour maybe an hour and a half. The second and third were about 3 hours each before I killed MINAC and picked up the stuff. The drop rates for some of this stuff is horrible! Through all that, I only got maybe 3 or 4 pizzas of the 12 or so I need (I probably got 2 or 3 through beating the DLC). Needless to say I've probably picked up several hundred motherboards, gears, and wires by now. I've been wearing an item that has +3 extra item drops, don't know if it helps or not.

How long in total has it been taking you guys to do this? This is almost as bad as Mad Moxxi and that's saying a lot!

Ruahrc[/QUOTE]
I actively killed them and I would say it was about two hours. This does not include time picking them up while playing the main quests. Seems like actively farming MINAC leads to more drops. I'm not sure if it is because you get more criticals on the claptraps which increases the likelihood of a rare item. My strategy was to get as close to the hatch they spawn out of as possible so MINAC couldn't shoot me then unload with my combat rifle. I have a mod that regens my ammo and a 200-some clip so it wasn't too bad for my character. Then whenever he would stop in the middle I would shoot off his turrets starting with the back ones. This way the only thing I had to worry about were claptraps, his eye, or running me over.

Still don't think its as bad as getting the achievements for Mad Moxxi, but sounds like my experience was different. ;-)
 
[quote name='Ruahrc']I thought that if you left it to go too long that eventually the game would max out on items which meant more claptraps would spawn/die but they wouldn't drop any loot. Which is why I cut it off after a couple hours. If I let it go 8 hours will I get more items on the ground?

Also I don't have a play and charge kit or wired controller so my controller goes to sleep if I don't periodically move one of the sticks, press a button, etc.

How dense would you say the loot was covered on the ground after 8 hours? I noticed when I was collecting stuff up I'd pick everything up in one area and then come back to it later to see that more items had appeared in areas I thought I had cleared. Anyone else see this? As if the game recorded an item drop there but could only display so many?[/QUOTE]
The items were pretty darn dense. I couldn't even really see what was where, I just kind of ran into the center of a pile and started sucking everything up, bloop-bleep, bloop-bleep, bloop-bleep. No doubt the game does have a limit of how many items can persist before they start expiring, but it is high-- maybe in the thousands. I'm not sure about drops that are there but just not displayed, it sounds plausible though.

But yeah, you do need a wired controller to do this.
 
Well I put in a good 4-5 hr farm run today. Results were still not great but at least I hit my 25 oil cans, and picked up 4 pizzas I think. So now all I need is the pizzas, who knows maybe 6-7 more? I don't recall how many I have gotten so far.

I really do think there was more on the ground after this 5 hr farm session though than my previous shorter runs. I will try to put in another run tomorrow. I am guessing I will probably have to do this 2-3 more times to finish it up, given the rate at which I have been seeing these pizzas drop.

Oh another thing that sucked was that I somehow lost my internet connection during the farm, so when I went to go collect the pickups I was not connected to XBL. Therefore, when I hit my oil cans achievement XBL did not record it. So if I ever need to restore/recover my gamertag, I won't get that achievement restored correct? That sucks because that means more farming if I ever need to (which I probably will because I might upgrade to a 360 slim sometime). Argh!

Ruahrc
 
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