Borderlands GOTY edition 39.99 @ Gamestop.com

[quote name='eau']Are you sure once you redeem a code, you can only download the DLC one-time? What if you upgrade your HDD, you can't even re-download the DLC onto the same console? I thought both XBL and PSN allow you to download unlimited number of times to the same console. No?[/QUOTE]

I have never heard of DLC that can only be downloaded once. It should be tied to your gamertag, so upgrading HDs or systems would not mean you can't download them again (even the PC GOTY version allows five downloads). Nothing I've seen contradicts that. What it DOES mean is these folks can't turn around and give the code to everyone they know and/or put them on eBay for profit.
 
[quote name='S_DOG34']You say that you would pay that much money if the content is on the disc because then you could resell it, but that since it's a one-time code that this is an unfair business model.

This argument is terribly flawed. Video games are not an investment or a collectible. The game developers are not responsible for making the game hold its value after use. Your argument is that the developers somehow owe you a product that you can resell for a high value after it has been used, when that is not at all the intention of the product as it was designed. It is designed to be owned and used by a single person as is a vacuum or a toaster. You may keep and replay the game as many times as you wish, even with the one-time DLC code. Extenuating circumstances like hard drive crashes and console failures will probably be dealt with on a per-case basis.

You are getting exactly what you paid for, nothing more, and nothing less.[/QUOTE]

There are some problems with your logic.

1) Having the content NOT on disc means that, sometime in the future, you will NOT be able to download this content. Let's say hypothetically that 5 years from now you want to hook up a replacement XBOX 360 or PS3 system to play some of those old "classic" games. You won't be able to access the DLC content, because by that time Microsoft will have moved on to a new console, and the old network will be dead (just like support for the original XBox in online terms is now dead). Thats pretty lame. When I buy a game, I expect to be able to play it whenever I want, anytime in the future. I paid for the game, I should be able to play it whenever I want.

2) Your fuzzy statement about "extenuating circumstances" due to hard drive crashes or failed consoles is inadequate. If my XBox or PS3 dies, and I get a replacement system, and I can't play the DLC on my "Borderlands GOTY" copy, then I wasted my money buying it. I should be able to play any and all content that was SUPPOSED to come with the game, not just the core game without the add-on packs.

3) I AM a collector, and I buy games to play as well as collect and keep. I consider the Borderlands GOTY game to be a total waste of money and not worthy of collecting. By the way, they did release several of the add-on packs in disc form, but unfortunately not all of them.

Bottom line is that when you support this kind of lame distribution technique, you're putting everyone one step closer to not owning the games they purchase at all, just having "access" to them based on some other company's whims. That is unacceptable.
 
[quote name='Zurcamos']I have never heard of DLC that can only be downloaded once. It should be tied to your gamertag, so upgrading HDs or systems would not mean you can't download them again (even the PC GOTY version allows five downloads). Nothing I've seen contradicts that. What it DOES mean is these folks can't turn around and give the code to everyone they know and/or put them on eBay for profit.[/QUOTE]

I have never heard of this either. Some people were stating that it's a ONE-TIME ONLY code. Well that may be true in the sense that you can only use the code once, but after you download it, it's just like anything else on PSN where you should be able to re-download it again if your drive crashes or you upgrade. Can a developer even block this from happening? It's via Sony's online store, it's not like you're downloading directly from a Gearbox site. I'd like to see if someone has truly tested this...
 
[quote name='eau']Just to clarify:

The Xbox 360 version has 4 individual codes, one for each DLC. So if you already own one of the DLCs, you can just give that code away to a friend.

The PS3 version has one code for all 4 DLC's bundled together.

Both versions come with a Duke Nukem Forever early access voucher.

Need clarification:

Are you sure once you redeem a code, you can only download the DLC one-time? What if you upgrade your HDD, you can't even re-download the DLC onto the same console? I thought both XBL and PSN allow you to download unlimited number of times to the same console. No?[/QUOTE]

I don't know about PSN, but on XBOX Live you can go to your download history and redownload everything again, it's really not a big deal. The only way you wouldn't be able to get it is if the DLC gets pulled from the marketplace, which, as big of a game as Borderlands is, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']There are some problems with your logic.

Bottom line is that when you support this kind of lame distribution technique, you're putting everyone one step closer to not owning the games they purchase at all, just having "access" to them based on some other company's whims. That is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

I have some bad news for you, you very well may not "own" software/games you buy any ways already- read the end user license agreement of any game. You are granted a license to play, not own the IP you buy.

9th circuit court of appeals, Vernor v. Autodesk:
we hold today that a software user is a licensee rather than an owner of a copy where the copyright owner (1) specifies that the user is granted a license; (2) significantly restricts the user's ability to transfer the software; and (3) imposes notable use restrictions.
 
[quote name='caltab']I have some bad news for you, you very well may not "own" software/games you buy any ways already- read the end user license agreement of any game. You are granted a license to play, not own the IP you buy.

9th circuit court of appeals, Vernor v. Autodesk:
we hold today that a software user is a licensee rather than an owner of a copy where the copyright owner (1) specifies that the user is granted a license; (2) significantly restricts the user's ability to transfer the software; and (3) imposes notable use restrictions. [/QUOTE]

I understand the legal terms, but in reality when you buy a game in most cases, you DO effectively own it and can play it whenever you want. That is EFFECTIVELY how things have worked for decades. So having a legal clause that says you are a licensee is irrelevant.

The relevancy is that we are heading towards a distribution/ownership scheme where, down the road, you (as the purchaser) will no longer have a tangible product after your purchase, and where outside companies will be able to control when or whether you can play the games that you purchased with your own money. That's garbage, and no one should support that. I understand that having games available strictly in downloadable form is more economical for developers, but when you can't "re-download" or access the content down the road, its a big problem for consumers. That's why I always prefer disc-based games to downloadable ones, where possible.
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']
The relevancy is that we are heading towards a distribution/ownership scheme where, down the road, you (as the purchaser) will no longer have a tangible product after your purchase, and where outside companies will be able to control when or whether you can play the games that you purchased with your own money. That's garbage, and no one should support that. I understand that having games available strictly in downloadable form is more economical for developers, but when you can't "re-download" or access the content down the road, its a big problem for consumers. That's why I always prefer disc-based games to downloadable ones, where possible.[/QUOTE]

But a HUGE part of the awesomeness of this game is its online component, they can chose to take this away whenever they want anyways already.

The downloadable only future does not have to be horrible- just look at the Apple app store. You can redownload stuff as often as you want and play it on as many devices as you want. Also, the competition is so fierce in their, stuff is extremely cheap. Hopefully this is the rout console makers will have no choice but to go down because of the precedent that is being set. It's only a matter of time before Apple's store will be on the Mac platform as well, further cementing this style of downloading as the consumer's expectation. Steam also is creating that expectation.
 
[quote name='FerDK']Unfortunately this is NOT the case.
You can only use the code ONE SINGLE TIME in just ONE Ps3 and that's it (no DLC share :roll:).
Gearbox got us all by the balls, my friends and I wanna play the whole game co-op online so buying this rip-off was our best option :lol:. Thank god we got it for $29.99.[/QUOTE]

I just downloaded all 4 dlcs again on my second ps3 and it's playing just fine. This from a code I used from my GOTY borderlands. So... where did you get your info from? Also, PSN does NOT limit to 5 downloads. They limit to 5 CONSOLES. Which is why we have gamesharing. :)

P.S. For fun, I redownloaded my Borderland dlcs again and again and it's still there in my download history.
 
[quote name='FactionG']I just downloaded all 4 dlcs again on my second ps3 and it's playing just fine. This from a code I used from my GOTY borderlands. So... where did you get your info from? Also, PSN does NOT limit to 5 downloads. They limit to 5 CONSOLES. Which is why we have gamesharing. :)

P.S. For fun, I redownloaded my Borderland dlcs again and again and it's still there in my download history.[/QUOTE]

:applause: Makes me a happy camper. Any chance you tried using the DLC on a vanilla version of Borderlands? I don't think it would make a difference if you have the GOTY main game or the vanilla main game disc, the DLC should work with either or, right?
 
[quote name='AdmrlBalls']:applause: Makes me a happy camper. Any chance you tried using the DLC on a vanilla version of Borderlands? I don't think it would make a difference if you have the GOTY main game or the vanilla main game disc, the DLC should work with either or, right?[/QUOTE]

I don't have vanilla version of the game but I'm sure it'll work. The voucher is for the exact same dlcs that are available for sale on the PSN. You know how I know? When I go to the store and look for those dlcs, it says I have purchased all of them. :)
 
Not to ruin everyone arguing about whether or not DLC is really something you "purchase" and "own" or not, but has anyone verified that this game is $40 in store, too?

To me, that's a much more important question right now :)
 
[quote name='chuck6402']Not to ruin everyone arguing about whether or not DLC is really something you "purchase" and "own" or not, but has anyone verified that this game is $40 in store, too?

To me, that's a much more important question right now :)[/QUOTE]

I bought it at $40 at a B&M gamestop.
 
[quote name='caltab']But a HUGE part of the awesomeness of this game is its online component, they can chose to take this away whenever they want anyways already.[/QUOTE]

*shrug*
I play Borderland 99.99% offline, I'd rather have access to all the DLCs. CoD is another story. But I got the DLCs for the single player content, and even Moxxi for the bank and skill points, not like I have a bunch of buds waiting to do THAT part of it forever. Shame they didn't make the way that works more 'short game' friendly.
 
[quote name='FactionG']I just downloaded all 4 dlcs again on my second ps3 and it's playing just fine. This from a code I used from my GOTY borderlands. So... where did you get your info from? Also, PSN does NOT limit to 5 downloads. They limit to 5 CONSOLES. Which is why we have gamesharing. :)

P.S. For fun, I redownloaded my Borderland dlcs again and again and it's still there in my download history.[/QUOTE]

Thank You, there seems to be a lot of misinformation in this thread about Borderlands GOTY from people who don't even own it.
 
[quote name='AdmrlBalls']:applause: Makes me a happy camper. Any chance you tried using the DLC on a vanilla version of Borderlands? I don't think it would make a difference if you have the GOTY main game or the vanilla main game disc, the DLC should work with either or, right?[/QUOTE]

I just tried this with the vanilla version of the game and it works fine:applause:. Now I'm gonna get my friend to see if he can download the DLC from me and hope we can both play it at the same time.:bouncy:
 
Thanks for the info about this deal and the update about it being in store 2. Think I will call before I leave work and see if they have it in stock.
 
[quote name='Zurcamos']You do realize the "vanilla" version was sixty bucks at one time and that the GOTY version has already been down to thirty, right? I'd love the content on the disc as much as anyone, but the content has always been DLC and always will be. These silly, stupid "what if" arguments are the equivalent of me wishing someone would give me a million dollars, I was president of the United States, and that I could live in a house made of purple lollipops.[/QUOTE]

Let's see...
I already bought it for $30 on Cyber Monday.
For me that was a good price for this game and the DLC voucher.
What I was trying to say is that GOTY editions with the DLC on disk has much more value (in terms of resell and future gaming).
For example: I own Fallout 3 GOTY and I would be able to play it today or in 10 years from now on. On the other hand, Borderlands DLC's probably will be not available in 10 years (so I am glad I only paid $30).
My "IF" argument is very simple and has to do with the fact that I would have considered to pay $60 only IF the DLC was on disk (because of the value I already explained); so I really don't know what this has to do with your lollipop desires. ;)
 
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[quote name='chimpmeister']There are some problems with your logic.

1) Having the content NOT on disc means that, sometime in the future, you will NOT be able to download this content. Let's say hypothetically that 5 years from now you want to hook up a replacement XBOX 360 or PS3 system to play some of those old "classic" games. You won't be able to access the DLC content, because by that time Microsoft will have moved on to a new console, and the old network will be dead (just like support for the original XBox in online terms is now dead). Thats pretty lame. When I buy a game, I expect to be able to play it whenever I want, anytime in the future. I paid for the game, I should be able to play it whenever I want.

2) Your fuzzy statement about "extenuating circumstances" due to hard drive crashes or failed consoles is inadequate. If my XBox or PS3 dies, and I get a replacement system, and I can't play the DLC on my "Borderlands GOTY" copy, then I wasted my money buying it. I should be able to play any and all content that was SUPPOSED to come with the game, not just the core game without the add-on packs.

3) I AM a collector, and I buy games to play as well as collect and keep. I consider the Borderlands GOTY game to be a total waste of money and not worthy of collecting. By the way, they did release several of the add-on packs in disc form, but unfortunately not all of them.

Bottom line is that when you support this kind of lame distribution technique, you're putting everyone one step closer to not owning the games they purchase at all, just having "access" to them based on some other company's whims. That is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

To sum this up^^^

"I am bitching because I cannot resell my copy for higher value".

Playing the DLC 5 years from now? Dude, you need to move on.
 
[quote name='FerDK']

What I was trying to say is that GOTY editions with the DLC on disk has much more value (in terms of resell).
[/QUOTE]

This pretty much sums it up for the last 3 or 4 pages. Now, lets move on. Either you buy the game or you don't. Have a good night.
 
[quote name='FactionG']I just downloaded all 4 dlcs again on my second ps3 and it's playing just fine. This from a code I used from my GOTY borderlands. So... where did you get your info from? Also, PSN does NOT limit to 5 downloads. They limit to 5 CONSOLES. Which is why we have gamesharing. :)

P.S. For fun, I redownloaded my Borderland dlcs again and again and it's still there in my download history.[/QUOTE]

Please, can you confirm if you can game share DLC's on Ps3 and also play them at the same time at an online party with your friends? That would be awesome. Thanks.
 
[quote name='oasisboy']This pretty much sums it up for the last 3 or 4 pages. Now, lets move on. Either you buy the game or you don't. Have a good night.[/QUOTE]

Well what can I say it's CAG!!! :whee:
 
[quote name='oasisboy']To sum this up^^^

"I am bitching because I cannot resell my copy for higher value". [/QUOTE]


That's the whole point! :)

We are gamers trying to fund our obsession. We need some financial security in our investments. Knowing that a game will still have good resell value in the future, is much more valuable overall.
 
My friend downloaded Mad Moxxi's Underdome Riot DLC from my PSN account and we are both playing it at the same time :bouncy:
 
Just got of the phone with my closest store checking if it was in stock for PS3. It is and the price is 39.99 in store.
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']There are some problems with your logic.

1) Having the content NOT on disc means that, sometime in the future, you will NOT be able to download this content. Let's say hypothetically that 5 years from now you want to hook up a replacement XBOX 360 or PS3 system to play some of those old "classic" games. You won't be able to access the DLC content, because by that time Microsoft will have moved on to a new console, and the old network will be dead (just like support for the original XBox in online terms is now dead). Thats pretty lame. When I buy a game, I expect to be able to play it whenever I want, anytime in the future. I paid for the game, I should be able to play it whenever I want.

2) Your fuzzy statement about "extenuating circumstances" due to hard drive crashes or failed consoles is inadequate. If my XBox or PS3 dies, and I get a replacement system, and I can't play the DLC on my "Borderlands GOTY" copy, then I wasted my money buying it. I should be able to play any and all content that was SUPPOSED to come with the game, not just the core game without the add-on packs.

3) I AM a collector, and I buy games to play as well as collect and keep. I consider the Borderlands GOTY game to be a total waste of money and not worthy of collecting. By the way, they did release several of the add-on packs in disc form, but unfortunately not all of them.

Bottom line is that when you support this kind of lame distribution technique, you're putting everyone one step closer to not owning the games they purchase at all, just having "access" to them based on some other company's whims. That is unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

Last one, then I'm done.

1) ALL products have a limited time frame of support. That's just how it works. Microsoft will likely stop supporting the DLC when they stop supporting Xbox360 software in general (i.e. when they get new hardware). I don't expect to get support from Nintendo on any NES software.

2) When that situation happens to you, then come back and explain to the rest of us how it works. Until then, don't build up theoretical straw man arguments and call my logic 'fuzzy'. My good faith scenario is just as likely as your 'doom and gloom' one.

3) As someone else already said, the content is intellectual property anyways so you don't own anything to begin with. Secondly, congrats on being a collector - good for you. It's absolutely NOT the company's responsibility to treat your purchase of a friggin video game as something to retain or increase in value and I'm not really sure why you think they are somehow supposed to be doing that. Collector or no, purchasing a video game is not an investment and the developers are under no obligation to protect its value so that you can resell it.

Time to move on...
 
[quote name='FerDK']So it's confirmed that for :ps3: we can GAME SHARE!?!?! :D[/QUOTE]
Yup. Used DLC code from PS3 GOTY Edition, friend downloaded one of the expansions from my PSN account and we were both in the Underdome with vanilla copies :)
 
[quote name='Chango']Yup. Used DLC code from PS3 GOTY Edition, friend downloaded one of the expansions from my PSN account and we were both in the Underdome with vanilla copies :)[/QUOTE]

I was totally misinformed, sorry guys.
Chango thank you very much for the info, this are excellent news.
 
[quote name='FerDK']Let's see...
I already bought it for $30 on Cyber Monday.
For me that was a good price for this game and the DLC voucher.
What I was trying to say is that GOTY editions with the DLC on disk has much more value (in terms of resell and future gaming).
For example: I own Fallout 3 GOTY and I would be able to play it today or in 10 years from now on. On the other hand, Borderlands DLC's probably will be not available in 10 years (so I am glad I only paid $30).
My "IF" argument is very simple and has to do with the fact that I would have considered to pay $60 only IF the DLC was on disk (because of the value I already explained); so I really don't know what this has to do with your lollipop desires. ;)[/QUOTE]

Both examples are counterfactual thinking. Counterfactual thinking = bad. People who engage in gameshare and reselling games are the reason companies don't put DLC on discs, yet they're most vocal about how it's unfair. Funny how that works...
 
[quote name='Zurcamos']Both examples are counterfactual thinking. Counterfactual thinking = bad. People who engage in gameshare and reselling games are the reason companies don't put DLC on discs, yet they're most vocal about how it's unfair. Funny how that works...[/QUOTE]


Game sharing and saving money = Very very Good
"People who engage in gameshare and reselling" = CAG
I tell you how it works... we are the reason of the millions made by gaming companies so stop complaining and enjoy.
 
[quote name='FerDK']we are the reason of the millions made by gaming companies so stop complaining and enjoy (whatever that means), but the few things I actually buy are on sale, and somehow that makes sense. Don't interrupt my complaining with complaining about my stupid arguments![/QUOTE]

:applause:
 
[quote name='porieux']The vouchers are fine for me, it's just like buying the DLC except you get it for free.[/QUOTE]

This is the best way to think about it. This package is easily worth $40 for folks that want it and didn't get it online over the weekend.
 
[quote name='Zurcamos']This is the best way to think about it. This package is easily worth $40 for folks that want it and didn't get it online over the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Specially when you can gameshare the DLC on Ps3 :whee:
 
No matter how you look at it. This is still a good deal for a great game!

I had the Cyber Monday deal in my cart, and I didn't buy... Why, oh, why!
 
[quote name='Flesseck']No matter how you look at it. This is still a good deal for a great game!

I had the Cyber Monday deal in my cart, and I didn't buy... Why, oh, why![/QUOTE]

Maybe because the ripoff voucher scheme as opposed to the DLC levels on disc? Seems like a good reason to pass on this one, I can tell you that when I found out about it, I did. :roll:
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']Maybe because the ripoff voucher scheme as opposed to the DLC levels on disc? Seems like a good reason to pass on this one, I can tell you that when I found out about it, I did. :roll:[/QUOTE]

I was pretty happy with the voucher DLC... Bought from Amazon on CM for $30. I had already locked in a copy to trade to Amazon for $30. Net cost for using the DLC code - $0. And I get to pair it with my $7.49 :ps3: Borderlands from target clearance.

Borderlands GOTY for $7.49 - WIN!
 
[quote name='chimpmeister']Maybe because the ripoff voucher scheme as opposed to the DLC levels on disc? Seems like a good reason to pass on this one, I can tell you that when I found out about it, I did. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Is there an echo in here?
 
[quote name='Zurcamos']Is there an echo in here?[/QUOTE]

No, but there appear to be some people who are slow to get the point, perhaps? :wall:
 
So I posted earlier today that I was wondering if GameStop had the game in store for $39.99. Well.. they definitely do, and I just picked it up there for the Xbox 360.

AND

My case had an extra set of DLC codes and Duke Nukem: Forever early access pass... anyone want it? I'll sell them pretty cheap. Considering everyone on this site is cheap. ;)
 
[quote name='crazedracerguy']

Borderlands GOTY for $7.49 - WIN![/QUOTE]

This is what I want :)
 
[quote name='crazedracerguy']I was pretty happy with the voucher DLC... Bought from Amazon on CM for $30. I had already locked in a copy to trade to Amazon for $30. Net cost for using the DLC code - $0. And I get to pair it with my $7.49 :ps3: Borderlands from target clearance.

Borderlands GOTY for $7.49 - WIN![/QUOTE]

:applause:
 
[quote name='S_DOG34'] Video games are not an investment or a collectible.[/QUOTE]

LMAO! buddy, you are on the wrong website...
 
[quote name='crazedracerguy']I was pretty happy with the voucher DLC... Bought from Amazon on CM for $30. I had already locked in a copy to trade to Amazon for $30. Net cost for using the DLC code - $0. And I get to pair it with my $7.49 :ps3: Borderlands from target clearance.

Borderlands GOTY for $7.49 - WIN![/QUOTE]

I'm interested to know if Amazon will accept the used GOTY edition of the game with no problems? Did you already receive your credit? Just curious if they require the DLC codes and Duke Nukem early access key to be included or unclaimed or what?
 
[quote name='AdmrlBalls']I'm interested to know if Amazon will accept the used GOTY edition of the game with no problems? Did you already receive your credit? Just curious if they require the DLC codes and Duke Nukem early access key to be included or unclaimed or what?[/QUOTE]

Someone else from the group that shall not be named said they accepted his a week ago without issue. I just left the Duke Nukem and Add on card in the case. It should go through with no issue. I'll know by Tuesday or Wednesday :)
 
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