Boy Scouts' true agenda....

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To spread bigotry and descrimnation for homosexuals and athiests across the youth by command of the Mormon Church.

http://www.scoutingforall.org/

Of course that's not the real reason that pisses me off, private organization's have a right to do what they want... Too bad the fuckers are wasting my tax dollars for thier KKK youth party.

http://www.scoutingforall.org/tax.shtml

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those fucking clothes and they feel they have the right to descriminate against Gays? What a bunch of hypocrites.
 
Well, I can say your true agenda is to fuck yourself in the ear and try to ruin the greatest youth organization that exists in the world.

Where the hell do you get that shit? Only the Mormon troops actually enforce those rules.

Scouting is open to anyone, except in the bible belt and Salt Lake City.
 
Ah yes, discrimination is ok as long as it's only practiced occasionally.

Though I get the feeling that neither side wants to present a rational argument, and is content to just hurl insults.
 
The fuck's the mormon church have to do with the foundation of scouting? I never saw any 'polyamory' merit badge.

Then again, I saw the Boy Scouts as an opportunity to (1) go camping with my friends, (2) talk about seventh and eighth grade sexual conquests and (3) smoke stolen cigarettes and sip on whatever whomever brought the tiniest flask of booze with them had. There was also the occasional fight with the rich kids.

Needless to say, I left after earning maybe 4 merit badges in 5 years. Our scoutmaster(s) were mostly cool about us ignoring the whole religion thing, but it was actually the younger group leaders that were assholes about religion. If I ever have to ride in a Ford Festive listening to "Petra" tapes for two hours in a row, I'm gonna murder the motherfucker who's driving.

...I suppose I didn't pay much attention to the moral lessons.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Well, I can say your true agenda is to fuck yourself in the ear and try to ruin the greatest youth organization that exists in the world.

Where the hell do you get that shit? Only the Mormon troops actually enforce those rules.

Scouting is open to anyone, except in the bible belt and Salt Lake City.[/quote]

Holy Shit! I agree with Quack!

At least in the "greatest youth organization" part.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Well, I can say your true agenda is to fuck yourself in the ear and try to ruin the greatest youth organization that exists in the world.

Where the hell do you get that shit? Only the Mormon troops actually enforce those rules.

Scouting is open to anyone, except in the bible belt and Salt Lake City.[/QUOTE]

Yah so maybe that's why my coworker's troup in Pasadena California still descriminates against gays and athiests? Oh wait California is in the bible belt ?I swear some of you stupid boyscouts are so defensive. I'm criticizing the current organization of the BSA which was hijacked from the mormons. BSA pre mormon control actually had in the scout guide that they were not supposed to teach in the matters of family or personal life since scout masters are not qualified to do so.

If you read the site it's mainly consisted of scouts who recognize corruption within the organization. And I was criticizing the BSA org, not each and every troop. I know there are some that do not mind. So pull your head out your ass and post something constructive.
 
Don't take Quacks status as a boyscout fool you, he'd be defensive and stupid without them.


[quote name='Zoglog']Yah so maybe that's why my coworker's troup in Pasadena California still descriminates against gays and athiests? Oh wait California is in the bible belt ?I swear some of you stupid boyscouts are so defensive. I'm criticizing the current organization of the BSA which was hijacked from the mormons. BSA pre mormon control actually had in the scout guide that they were not supposed to teach in the matters of family or personal life since scout masters are not qualified to do so.

If you read the site it's mainly consisted of scouts who recognize corruption within the organization. And I was criticizing the BSA org, not each and every troop. I know there are some that do not mind. So pull your head out your ass and post something constructive.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']Don't take Quacks status as a boyscout fool you, he'd be just as defensive and stupid without them.[/QUOTE]

fix'd.
 
Isn't this pretty old news? I work for a foundation and from what I've been told and the little research I've done on the subject, the official stance from the boy scouts is that they don't allow homosexuals because it is not fitting to their idea of upholding moral standards. Because it is discriminatory, lots of big corporations do not support them anymore; I have a company memo dated 2001 and it basically tells us to return all requests because the boy scouts views are contridictary to our company's.

But I guess the word hasn't really spread to the general public.
 
[quote name='jngx80']Isn't this pretty old news? I work for a foundation and from what I've been told and the little research I've done on the subject, the official stance from the boy scouts is that they don't allow homosexuals because it is not fitting to their idea of upholding moral standards. Because it is discriminatory, lots of big corporations do not support them anymore; I have a company memo dated 2001 and it basically tells us to return all requests because the boy scouts views are contridictary to our company's.

But I guess the word hasn't really spread to the general public.[/quote]

LoL bigot ownage.
 
I would say the girl scouts have a bigger problem than the boy scouts... ie, the Boy scouts are going to beat the crap out of the girl scouts with their own cookies, so I recommend you leave girlscouts while you can zoglog.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']You city slicker martini sipping liberals need to grow the fuck up.

Boy Scouts is not the axis of evil.[/quote]

I was a member of the scouts as a kid, and I assume a lot of other posters here were to.

Though I'm not sure why you don't get the fact that people are going to have a problem with a group that has bigotry written into its code. It's hardly immature to have an issue with a massive organization that openly discriminated against people. Really, the blind acceptance, and the inability to accept criticism in any form, is much more immature.

Though I thought this was funny:


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Though I wish they'd adopt the model that the canadian boy scouts adopted. They're now coed and don't have a problem with atheists and homosexuals.
 
every organization has some sort of discrimination... in fact in order to be an organization, you have to discriminate... some are more extrem than others though.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']every organization has some sort of discrimination... in fact in order to be an organization, you have to discriminate... some are more extrem than others though.[/quote]

Discrimination has multiple meanings. But it seemed to clearly be used here in the sense of discrimination against race, sexual orientation etc. which is separate from ability, personality characteristics etc.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']every organization has some sort of discrimination... in fact in order to be an organization, you have to discriminate... some are more extrem than others though.[/QUOTE]

That is not the main problem, Private organizations have a right to descriminate. However the boyscouts accept public funding and charity from taxpayer's money. I'm sorry but I don't condone my taxpayer money to support any group that supports biggotry. As a matter in fact if it was not for the original charter (before the boyscouts got overrun by the mormons) they could not recieve money based upon thier descrimnatory mandate. And yup, Penn & teller did a great job on this story.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']That is not the main problem, Private organizations have a right to descriminate. However the boyscouts accept public funding and charity from taxpayer's money. I'm sorry but I don't condone my taxpayer money to support any group that supports biggotry. As a matter in fact if it was not for the original charter (before the boyscouts got overrun by the mormons) they could not recieve money based upon thier descrimnatory mandate. And yup, Penn & teller did a great job on this story.[/QUOTE]

I dont see anywhere that the boyscouts accept any public money as an organization. And Id be suspicious of anything on that site. They dont list reffrences for their info. The funniest one I thought was the 33% of the board is LDS (Mormon for those of you who dont know, since the OP or the website doesnt seem to want to list the official name of the church). Only about three or four people on the 'suspected Mormon' list out of 24 are actually LDS. But why would it matter how may people on the board are LDS, epecially since the largest sponser of scoutting with the most units sponsered is the LDS church? I dont know the number (and I wont list something without facts to back it up unlike the website the OP listed), but almost every LDS congregation in the US sponsers a Scout troup. Im sure no one ever complains the board of the NAACP is all black? The Boy Scouts is a organization founded on Christian principals and has the right to uphold those principals for its membership. I wish the scouts would have done background checks on leaders when I was a scout. One of my old assistant scoutmasters is in jail for molesting 30+ boys as a scout leader. Now, those now men will live with those scars the rest of their life.
 
[quote name='uli2000']I dont see anywhere that the boyscouts accept any public money as an organization. And Id be suspicious of anything on that site. They dont list reffrences for their info. The funniest one I thought was the 33% of the board is LDS (Mormon for those of you who dont know, since the OP or the website doesnt seem to want to list the official name of the church). Only about three or four people on the 'suspected Mormon' list out of 24 are actually LDS. But why would it matter how may people on the board are LDS, epecially since the largest sponser of scoutting with the most units sponsered is the LDS church? I dont know the number (and I wont list something without facts to back it up unlike the website the OP listed), but almost every LDS congregation in the US sponsers a Scout troup. Im sure no one ever complains the board of the NAACP is all black? The Boy Scouts is a organization founded on Christian principals and has the right to uphold those principals for its membership. I wish the scouts would have done background checks on leaders when I was a scout. One of my old assistant scoutmasters is in jail for molesting 30+ boys as a scout leader. Now, those now men will live with those scars the rest of their life.[/QUOTE]

errr there are plenty of references in the tax doc.

http://www.scoutingforall.org/tax.shtml

just some background info on him

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/larry_taylor/taylor-bio.html

And it was written by a UCLA professor so I would hope he would cite references... after all we learn that since Highschool =p.

"One of my old assistant scoutmasters is in jail for molesting 30+ boys as a scout leader. "

Yeah i'm sure nice christian (coff catholic) people can't be child molesters amirite?
 
I wish the scouts would have done background checks on leaders when I was a scout. One of my old assistant scoutmasters is in jail for molesting 30+ boys as a scout leader. Now, those now men will live with those scars the rest of their life.
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The problem is, homosexuals are not more likely to molest kids than heterosexuals. Banning homosexuals does not address that issue.

Attraction to children is different than attraction to adults. Homosexuals are no more likely to be attracted to a young boy than a heterosexual is to a young girl.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The problem is, homosexuals are not more likely to molest kids than heterosexuals. Banning homosexuals does not address that issue.

Attraction to children is different than attraction to adults. Homosexuals are no more likely to be attracted to a young boy than a heterosexual is to a young girl.[/quote]

Fear of molestation is not the reason the BSA discriminates against gays. I think you know that, but the above poster should be made aware.

The BSA has every right to allow or disallow anyone they choose. It's the simple freedom of expression through association. I'll take no moral stance on the issue of gays in scouts, but for an organization that does as much good as the Scouts, to marginalize it for ousting homosexual scout masters is saddening.

If anything, you should respect the organization for having the courage of conviction. It's an apolitical, secular entity founded on certain principles. The stance does nothing but hurt the scouts from a funding and public relations standpoint, yet they stand by it. I respect that.
 
[quote name='Quillion']Fear of molestation is not the reason the BSA discriminates against gays. I think you know that, but the above poster should be made aware.[/quote]

Well the above poster is why I made the comment.

But it's not why they discriminate against gays, but I'm sure it would be a common reason if you asked supporters. It's not essential to the decision, but it's likely many would consider it a reason as to why they don't want to change it.

The BSA has every right to allow or disallow anyone they choose. It's the simple freedom of expression through association. I'll take no moral stance on the issue of gays in scouts, but for an organization that does as much good as the Scouts, to marginalize it for ousting homosexual scout masters is saddening.
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Scouting is just one way for children to interact with other kids. You can get similar results through other programs without the bigotry.

If anything, you should respect the organization for having the courage of conviction. It's an apolitical, secular entity founded on certain principles. The stance does nothing but hurt the scouts from a funding and public relations standpoint, yet they stand by it. I respect that.
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A lot of groups have courage of conviction, be it for free speech, aiding immigrants regardless of legal ramifications, opposing racial integration, keeping out jews, standing against witch hunts etc. A lot of groups stand up for their convictions. That does not mean that those convictions are acceptable, to be encouraged or even tolerated. The scouts are legal as long as they don't use public funds. It's not the same as expecting the public to tolerate it.

Though they are semi-secular. It's hard to be secular when your bylaws state "The Boy Scouts of America maintain that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing his obligation to God.". There have also been incidents of atheists being kicked out. You can't be a truly secular organization and do that.
 
This liberal bullshit has gone so far that the anti-discrimination groups are now hate groups themselves.

Look at the ACLU, supporting verbal harassment at funerals.

You are just a bunch of hippocrates.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']You are just a bunch of hippocrates.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Hippocrates? Where?! I think you mean 'hypocrites.' We'll learn you yet, Quack, or at least lead you to water, you know?
 
One of my duties at work is setting up visits over the weekend at my base for their trips. It has made me fricken hate the orginization they are almost always pushy and ungrateful for what we provide which is a free stay and food at reduced prices.
 
[quote name='niceguyshawne']I saw an episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit about this a couple of weeks ago.[/QUOTE]
I saw that too, and I thought it was pretty spot on. If you haven't seen it, you should watch it.
http://ts.searching.com/torrent/645710/Penn_And_Teller_Bullshit_S_4E_1_PDTV_XviD_LOL_avi

Couple of the better points (that I remember):

Outside of the discrimination, its a good organization that does a lot of character building.

The Mormon church has considerable influence on the organization on a national level.

Quite a few at the local level don't discriminate regardless of what the organization tells them to do.

Officially, they don't allow gays or athiests. Gay teens are 3 times more likely to commit suicide, they're the very people that the Boy Scouts could help the most. Their justification for not allowing gays, is that their handbook requires you to be "morally straight". This was written in the early 1900s, and has nothing to do with sexuality. In fact, the original defined what they meant by "morally straight", they just mean people of good character.

Biggest point for me: Before the Mormons got involved, anything to do with sex, the family, homosexuality, etc was considered outside the scope of the Boy Scouts, and scout leaders should not discuss it since they are most likely not qualified to. Thats the way it should be.

If they want to continue to accept public funds, use public land for free, use government buildings for free, then they need to stop their discrimination. Penn and Teller do a pretty good job outlining exactly how they get public funds and assistance, its mostly through the military.
 
Oh shit, they finally started a new season of bullshit? I gotta get to torrenting...

And also, fuck the boy scouts, they shouldn't get any public funding of any kind unless they follow anti-discrimination laws.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']This liberal bullshit has gone so far that the anti-discrimination groups are now hate groups themselves.

Look at the ACLU, supporting verbal harassment at funerals.

You are just a bunch of hippocrates.[/QUOTE]

This guy isn't real. He is just trying to sound "Hardcore" Online ;)

Don't let idiots like this guy slander the meaning of the word Liberal. If Liberal advocates that I allow tolerance and oppose bigotry go ahead and label me if it makes you feel that much cooler.
 
pen and teller have a great show the boyscouts have fallen so hard over the years.
Id say that they have there ways set because the people interested in having there kids sign up fear
a. molestation anything that involves an adult and kid sleep overs is now under the watchful eye thanks to the way tv portrays everyone to be a pediphile.
b.finding out there kid is a fag and wants to join the scouts to go camping with tons of other boys.
B was mostly a joke but if your a gay kid wouldnt u wanna be in the scouts?


I hope my kids never ask to be in the scouts i find it all a waste of time .
 
[quote name='Skelah']pen and teller have a great show the boyscouts have fallen so hard over the years.
Id say that they have there ways set because the people interested in having there kids sign up fear
a. molestation anything that involves an adult and kid sleep overs is now under the watchful eye thanks to the way tv portrays everyone to be a pediphile.
b.finding out there kid is a fag and wants to join the scouts to go camping with tons of other boys.
B was mostly a joke but if your a gay kid wouldnt u wanna be in the scouts?


I hope my kids never ask to be in the scouts i find it all a waste of time .[/QUOTE]

What would you rather have them do?

For the record, refrain from using the word "fag" in the future. It's not like the rest of the post *doesn't* make you look like a bag-of-hammers bumpkin, but, y'know - things like saying "fag" have a way of making people look, shall we say, *unrefined*. Certainly don't want that, do you?
 
Funny how people trivialize all the good that the Boy Scouts is doing and judging them soley by the personal beliefs of the current administrators...

[quote name='elprincipe']:lol: Hippocrates? Where?! I think you mean 'hypocrites.' We'll learn you yet, Quack, or at least lead you to water, you know?[/QUOTE]
Blame it on MS Office voice tools...
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Funny how people trivialize all the good that the Boy Scouts is doing and judging them soley by the personal beliefs of the current administrators... [/quote]

How dare people judge an organization based on it's beliefs and actions.

Although, while I don't know about homosexuality, it's hostility towards non-religious people goes backs to the founder.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Funny how people trivialize all the good that the Boy Scouts is doing and judging them soley by the personal beliefs of the current administrators... [/QUOTE]

I overheard that comment at a Klan canned food drive once...
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Funny how people trivialize all the good that the Boy Scouts is doing and judging them soley by the personal beliefs of the current administrators... [/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter. You get public money, you have to play by the rules. They don't. They need to either change their policies or stop accepting public funds. Its that simple. A so called 'private organization' which discriminates against a religion should not be supported by the taxpayer.
 
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