Bullying lower in schools that teach tolerance
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* Two-thirds (65%) of teens report that they have been verbally or
physically harassed or assaulted during the past year because of their
perceived or actual appearance, gender, sexual orientation, gender
expression, race/ethnicity, disability or religion.
* The reason most commonly cited for being harassed frequently is a
student's appearance, as four in ten (39%) teens report that students
are frequently harassed for the way they look or their body size.
* The next most common reason for frequent harassment is sexual
orientation. One-third (33%) of teens report that students are
frequently harassed because they are or are perceived to be lesbian,
gay or bisexual.
Not shocked about that, things will continue to happen tho. Where do people get these studies from? Thats what i wanna know lol.
physically harassed or assaulted during the past year because of their
perceived or actual appearance, gender, sexual orientation, gender
expression, race/ethnicity, disability or religion.
* The reason most commonly cited for being harassed frequently is a
student's appearance, as four in ten (39%) teens report that students
are frequently harassed for the way they look or their body size.
* The next most common reason for frequent harassment is sexual
orientation. One-third (33%) of teens report that students are
frequently harassed because they are or are perceived to be lesbian,
gay or bisexual.
Not shocked about that, things will continue to happen tho. Where do people get these studies from? Thats what i wanna know lol.
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[quote name='bmulligan']Something tells me Alonzo gets bullied a lot. For some reason, people can't tolerate him.[/QUOTE]
Insightful. I sincerely hope you are lying about being a parent.
Insightful. I sincerely hope you are lying about being a parent.
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']Where do people get these studies from? Thats what i wanna know lol.[/QUOTE]
They conduct them. You know, go to a few schools with the permission of teachers, parents and review boards, give out a questionaire that asks these kids how many times they were bullied.
They conduct them. You know, go to a few schools with the permission of teachers, parents and review boards, give out a questionaire that asks these kids how many times they were bullied.
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[quote name='bmulligan']Something tells me Alonzo gets bullied a lot. For some reason, people can't tolerate him.[/QUOTE]
Funny, you'd think trying to stop kids from being verbally and physically tormented because they're gay, or have some other undesirable trait in school, would be more important than making personal attacks. Especially for someone claiming to have a child.
Funny, you'd think trying to stop kids from being verbally and physically tormented because they're gay, or have some other undesirable trait in school, would be more important than making personal attacks. Especially for someone claiming to have a child.
Lighten up Alonzo. You should have been taught at a young age to disregard what other people think of you. It's called becoming a man.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.
[quote name='bmulligan']Lighten up Alonzo. You should have been taught at a young age to disregard what other people think of you. It's called becoming a man.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.[/QUOTE]
When someone hears something so much they begin to believe it. Believe it or not I'm sure this does happen so I believe you need to look at your statement a bit more. This concept is one we've seen to be true most of the time, look at Boot Camp. In it you BELITTLE people enough and break them down emotionally in the process so don't give me this just ignore them if it repeats forever.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.[/QUOTE]
When someone hears something so much they begin to believe it. Believe it or not I'm sure this does happen so I believe you need to look at your statement a bit more. This concept is one we've seen to be true most of the time, look at Boot Camp. In it you BELITTLE people enough and break them down emotionally in the process so don't give me this just ignore them if it repeats forever.
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Funny, you'd think trying to stop kids from being verbally and physically tormented because they're gay, or have some other undesirable trait in school, would be more important than making personal attacks. Especially for someone claiming to have a child.[/QUOTE]
*punches you in the neck and shoves you in a locker*
j/k
*punches you in the neck and shoves you in a locker*
j/k
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[quote name='bmulligan']Lighten up Alonzo. You should have been taught at a young age to disregard what other people think of you. It's called becoming a man.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so when you have a muslim (or hindu) kid at school being called osama, saddam, terrorist etc. I bet you think it's their fault that it emotionally effects them. When someone gets upset about being the target of jewish jokes, I bet that's their fault. And when you have homosexuals being harassed and called fag and dyke, well then I guess that's their fault too. You must think the fags and dykes who get beat up are oversensitive losers.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so when you have a muslim (or hindu) kid at school being called osama, saddam, terrorist etc. I bet you think it's their fault that it emotionally effects them. When someone gets upset about being the target of jewish jokes, I bet that's their fault. And when you have homosexuals being harassed and called fag and dyke, well then I guess that's their fault too. You must think the fags and dykes who get beat up are oversensitive losers.
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[quote name='bmulligan']Lighten up Alonzo. You should have been taught at a young age to disregard what other people think of you. It's called becoming a man.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.[/QUOTE]
Y'know, it's high time someone photoshopped a "you're the one who's intolerant, since you can't tolerate my intolerance!" card, since it gets used so much. It might save the time it takes to make these banal posts. Then you could have fresh muffins for breakfast with the time you save.
Mmmm, muffins.
Unfortunately, you seem to believe that your altruistically fueled tolerence of everyone and everything gives you a free pass to demand acceptance from anyone and everyone. Then you simply can't accept it when people don't tolerate you.
But what's really ironic is that someone like you, who preaches tolerance, is so intolerant of others like me. God help the future spawn of your loins.[/QUOTE]
Y'know, it's high time someone photoshopped a "you're the one who's intolerant, since you can't tolerate my intolerance!" card, since it gets used so much. It might save the time it takes to make these banal posts. Then you could have fresh muffins for breakfast with the time you save.
Mmmm, muffins.
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Damn, you guys got personal really quickly, here. I didn't even take bmulligan's first post seriously (I laughed at it...I thought he was kidding.) Anyhow. So, the survey results indicate that teaching tolerance at schools makes a discernible impact, but that more focus on explicit acceptance of sexual orientation (or some other type of sexual difference) is still needed? I don't see what anyone would have against this sort of message. I can see how some folks interpret this sort of proactive, preventative measure as "coddling over-sensitive kids," but since those same sort of kids have been physically assaulted and killed from this sort of thing when left unaddressed, I don't think it's excessive at all. It's a serious matter, and it's good that we've made some headway.
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, it's high time someone photoshopped a "you're the one who's intolerant, since you can't tolerate my intolerance!" card, since it gets used so much. It might save the time it takes to make these banal posts. Then you could have fresh muffins for breakfast with the time you save.
Mmmm, muffins.[/QUOTE]
That's nice muffin man, but I'm not the one preaching tolerance. I never do.
As a matter of fact, I revel in my intolerance of nancyboys like alonzo, his phony altruism and contradicting philosophy. Perhaps the affected youths alonzo feels pain for should be more tolerant of name calling. Oh, wait, they're supposed to ban people who have contrary opinions. I forgot, tolerance means only allowing people to voice opinions you agree with.
Well, if that's the case then bring on the Satan worshipers ! I love them Satanists. We should be more tolerant of those who would do evil and destroy all goodness. As a matter of fact, we should all be tolerant enough to let the satan worshipers have open prayers before the start of class.
Mmmm, muffins.[/QUOTE]
That's nice muffin man, but I'm not the one preaching tolerance. I never do.
As a matter of fact, I revel in my intolerance of nancyboys like alonzo, his phony altruism and contradicting philosophy. Perhaps the affected youths alonzo feels pain for should be more tolerant of name calling. Oh, wait, they're supposed to ban people who have contrary opinions. I forgot, tolerance means only allowing people to voice opinions you agree with.
Well, if that's the case then bring on the Satan worshipers ! I love them Satanists. We should be more tolerant of those who would do evil and destroy all goodness. As a matter of fact, we should all be tolerant enough to let the satan worshipers have open prayers before the start of class.
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If getting bullied is the worse thing that happened in someone's "childhood", then they need to thank God for that!!!!!!
There are TEN'S OF MILLIONS of people who went through "REAL" problems growing up.
There are TEN'S OF MILLIONS of people who went through "REAL" problems growing up.
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[quote name='captaincold']If getting bullied is the worse thing that happened in someone's "childhood", then they need to thank God for that!!!!!!
There are TEN'S OF MILLIONS of people who went through "REAL" problems growing up.[/QUOTE]
It's funny, psychologists and anyone who ever went through a lot of bullying never seems to agree. You have people who kill themselves, mutilate themselves, suffer long term emotional damage, and others who eventually lash out. Humans are social beings, if you make the majority of social interactions a nightmare they're going to suffer. Most turn inward and, if anything, harm themselves. Some lash out, which is the reason for most of the school shooting. And the most severe instances usually have severe bullying problems that were left unchecked.
There are TEN'S OF MILLIONS of people who went through "REAL" problems growing up.[/QUOTE]
It's funny, psychologists and anyone who ever went through a lot of bullying never seems to agree. You have people who kill themselves, mutilate themselves, suffer long term emotional damage, and others who eventually lash out. Humans are social beings, if you make the majority of social interactions a nightmare they're going to suffer. Most turn inward and, if anything, harm themselves. Some lash out, which is the reason for most of the school shooting. And the most severe instances usually have severe bullying problems that were left unchecked.
[quote name='captaincold']If getting bullied is the worse thing that happened in someone's "childhood", then they need to thank God for that!!!!!!
There are TEN'S OF MILLIONS of people who went through "REAL" problems growing up.[/QUOTE]
Ditto, a brilliant analysis.
[quote name='"alonzo"']It's funny, psychologists and anyone who ever went through a lot of bullying never seems to agree. You have people who kill themselves, mutilate themselves, suffer long term emotional damage, and others who eventually lash out. Humans are social beings, if you make the majority of social interactions a nightmare they're going to suffer. Most turn inward and, if anything, harm themselves. Some lash out, which is the reason for most of the school shooting. And the most severe instances usually have severe bullying problems that were left unchecked.[/QUOTE]
Many who have long term emotional damage, shoot people at schools, or mutilate themselves have some deep rooted chemical imbalances, genetic pre-dispositions, or were probably scarred by a family member or other traumatic event and not simply a result from bullying. It's not, as you are trying to portray it, the cause of all our social ills. Those nightmare scarred youths are only a small minority of people who were bullied as children. The correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
Many find self-confidence, learn to stand up for themselves and become better people as a result of being pushed around when they were younger. Having hurt feelings is not always a bad thing, alonzo. Sometimes it can make you stronger, unless you 're disposed to being lazy and placing blame for your behavioral problems on others. It's always easier to blame someone else, other than the shooter, for shooting up a school.
There are TEN'S OF MILLIONS of people who went through "REAL" problems growing up.[/QUOTE]
Ditto, a brilliant analysis.
[quote name='"alonzo"']It's funny, psychologists and anyone who ever went through a lot of bullying never seems to agree. You have people who kill themselves, mutilate themselves, suffer long term emotional damage, and others who eventually lash out. Humans are social beings, if you make the majority of social interactions a nightmare they're going to suffer. Most turn inward and, if anything, harm themselves. Some lash out, which is the reason for most of the school shooting. And the most severe instances usually have severe bullying problems that were left unchecked.[/QUOTE]
Many who have long term emotional damage, shoot people at schools, or mutilate themselves have some deep rooted chemical imbalances, genetic pre-dispositions, or were probably scarred by a family member or other traumatic event and not simply a result from bullying. It's not, as you are trying to portray it, the cause of all our social ills. Those nightmare scarred youths are only a small minority of people who were bullied as children. The correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
Many find self-confidence, learn to stand up for themselves and become better people as a result of being pushed around when they were younger. Having hurt feelings is not always a bad thing, alonzo. Sometimes it can make you stronger, unless you 're disposed to being lazy and placing blame for your behavioral problems on others. It's always easier to blame someone else, other than the shooter, for shooting up a school.
them.>> yet alonzo is making it into a joke by centering the blame for juvenile violence and suicide on it. It's ridiculous almost to the point of being funny.
I read what Alonzo said and thats really not what he said. Im not going after any strawmen.
Nice try though.
Ever take any Psych or Criminal Justice classes?
Case Studies, ever hear of them?
Pretty much all serial killers etc. had unhappy childhoods and were picked on.
That doesnt excuse what they did, but it isnt some coincidence.
It is well in societies interest to root it out if they can.
Your "they should become tougher" bullshit is duly noted.
But dont let anyone be fooled into thinking it is anything but claptrap designed to help those who would nothing feel better.
I read what Alonzo said and thats really not what he said. Im not going after any strawmen.
Nice try though.
Ever take any Psych or Criminal Justice classes?
Case Studies, ever hear of them?
Pretty much all serial killers etc. had unhappy childhoods and were picked on.
That doesnt excuse what they did, but it isnt some coincidence.
It is well in societies interest to root it out if they can.
Your "they should become tougher" bullshit is duly noted.
But dont let anyone be fooled into thinking it is anything but claptrap designed to help those who would nothing feel better.
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[quote name='bmulligan']Ditto, a brilliant analysis.
Many who have long term emotional damage, shoot people at schools, or mutilate themselves have some deep rooted chemical imbalances, genetic pre-dispositions, or were probably scarred by a family member or other traumatic event and not simply a result from bullying. It's not, as you are trying to portray it, the cause of all our social ills. Those nightmare scarred youths are only a small minority of people who were bullied as children. The correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
Many find self-confidence, learn to stand up for themselves and become better people as a result of being pushed around when they were younger. Having hurt feelings is not always a bad thing, alonzo. Sometimes it can make you stronger, unless you 're disposed to being lazy and placing blame for your behavioral problems on others. It's always easier to blame someone else, other than the shooter, for shooting up a school.[/QUOTE]
Some do have pre existing issues and this triggers additional problems. Some have issues arising from this. Most people who go to the extreme in harming themselves (ie. suicide) do not have psychological issues though, other than the emotional distress they are currently under. W
hile you acknowledge you can be scarred by family members, you don't seem to think that the same can occur in other social situations. Some do stand up for themselves, but many don't. Practically none do when they have no one to help them, or no one else who wants to help them. Even if they do have good parents, that's not enough for people. But, I'd like to know how some people really can stand up for themselves. If they live in a school with major bullying problems, with someone who may have no friends or just a few, that usually isn't a good enough social network to support them. People with weak or non existing social networks do not deal with stress and emotional suffering as well as the average person. The person may not either have the proper skills and understanding of how to stand up for themselves, or, more likely, simply be shot down and "put in their place", humiliated and attacked even more. Many times, severe bullying is worsened because the person has no reliable people to turn to.
But, for bullying to have severe effects it does not always have to be so brutal. A kid in my old high school committed suicide, he was a grade or two behind me at the time. From what I remember, no one knew of any pre-existing emotional issues, but he was the target of pretty aggressive bullying, but nothing that seemed off the charts. He had a couple friends, at least he had someone referred to as his friend (he had made a comment to him about killing himself, but the kid didn't take him seriously). My school really didn't have any physical bullying, and overal had less bullying than most schools, but it was still there. And, it still had major effects on people who were the target.
I think the boot camp example mentioned earlier fits here. There is one major difference though. While boot camp is to tear you down and teach you that another way of behaving is desirable and honorable, bullying doesn't have that element. It's simply to make someones life hell. It mentally tears them apart, often making them think they're worthless, but does nothing to offset that, unlike in the military.
I think msut pretty much summed up my response. But, I will add, that it's wrong to think that those effected by bullying, and those who lash out at themselves or others, happens mostly to people who are already disturbed, that bullying is just a trigger. That's often not the case.
Many who have long term emotional damage, shoot people at schools, or mutilate themselves have some deep rooted chemical imbalances, genetic pre-dispositions, or were probably scarred by a family member or other traumatic event and not simply a result from bullying. It's not, as you are trying to portray it, the cause of all our social ills. Those nightmare scarred youths are only a small minority of people who were bullied as children. The correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
Many find self-confidence, learn to stand up for themselves and become better people as a result of being pushed around when they were younger. Having hurt feelings is not always a bad thing, alonzo. Sometimes it can make you stronger, unless you 're disposed to being lazy and placing blame for your behavioral problems on others. It's always easier to blame someone else, other than the shooter, for shooting up a school.[/QUOTE]
Some do have pre existing issues and this triggers additional problems. Some have issues arising from this. Most people who go to the extreme in harming themselves (ie. suicide) do not have psychological issues though, other than the emotional distress they are currently under. W
hile you acknowledge you can be scarred by family members, you don't seem to think that the same can occur in other social situations. Some do stand up for themselves, but many don't. Practically none do when they have no one to help them, or no one else who wants to help them. Even if they do have good parents, that's not enough for people. But, I'd like to know how some people really can stand up for themselves. If they live in a school with major bullying problems, with someone who may have no friends or just a few, that usually isn't a good enough social network to support them. People with weak or non existing social networks do not deal with stress and emotional suffering as well as the average person. The person may not either have the proper skills and understanding of how to stand up for themselves, or, more likely, simply be shot down and "put in their place", humiliated and attacked even more. Many times, severe bullying is worsened because the person has no reliable people to turn to.
But, for bullying to have severe effects it does not always have to be so brutal. A kid in my old high school committed suicide, he was a grade or two behind me at the time. From what I remember, no one knew of any pre-existing emotional issues, but he was the target of pretty aggressive bullying, but nothing that seemed off the charts. He had a couple friends, at least he had someone referred to as his friend (he had made a comment to him about killing himself, but the kid didn't take him seriously). My school really didn't have any physical bullying, and overal had less bullying than most schools, but it was still there. And, it still had major effects on people who were the target.
I think the boot camp example mentioned earlier fits here. There is one major difference though. While boot camp is to tear you down and teach you that another way of behaving is desirable and honorable, bullying doesn't have that element. It's simply to make someones life hell. It mentally tears them apart, often making them think they're worthless, but does nothing to offset that, unlike in the military.
I think msut pretty much summed up my response. But, I will add, that it's wrong to think that those effected by bullying, and those who lash out at themselves or others, happens mostly to people who are already disturbed, that bullying is just a trigger. That's often not the case.
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I don't see how people are coming into this disscussion and attacking each other. Why would you defend people who make other peoples lives miserable? The "other people have worse problems" argument is pointless. Why should some kids have to put up with this, just because some other kid has it worse. Bullying is something that will never go away, but that doesn't mean people should be told to deal with it. Are you forgetting that these are kids?!? Telling them to "become a man" is ridiculous.
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[quote name='rodeojones903']I don't see how people are coming into this disscussion and attacking each other. Why would you defend people who make other peoples lives miserable? The "other people have worse problems" argument is pointless. Why should some kids have to put up with this, just because some other kid has it worse. Bullying is something that will never go away, but that doesn't mean people should be told to deal with it. Are you forgetting that these are kids?!? Telling them to "become a man" is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I want them to explain how spending 6 hours a day humiliated and scared isn't a serious problem. For some targets, simply going to school is a nightmare.
Adults have psychological issues related to their work environment, kids are much crueler.
I want them to explain how spending 6 hours a day humiliated and scared isn't a serious problem. For some targets, simply going to school is a nightmare.
Adults have psychological issues related to their work environment, kids are much crueler.
[quote name='rodeojones903']I don't see how people are coming into this disscussion and attacking each other. Why would you defend people who make other peoples lives miserable? The "other people have worse problems" argument is pointless. Why should some kids have to put up with this, just because some other kid has it worse. Bullying is something that will never go away, but that doesn't mean people should be told to deal with it. Are you forgetting that these are kids?!? Telling them to "become a man" is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Let me explain something to you, you Bleeding Heart Liberal! Suck it up $$$$$$! Get with the program! Be a man, you're less than a man! Rush Limbaugh, who's the IDEAL of a man, would be ashamed of you if he wasn't busy putting his wife in her place and drugged up on Oxycontin.
Seriously though let's look at some of the people with this mentality. They can't find the compassion for people who are being bullyed yet they can defend a popular dopehead who had NO compassion for druggies yet is one himself. Seriously rodeo is it hard to see how warped some of their mentality is? Compassionate Conservatism exists but it's not exercized by the hardcore one's. I think Defender might be a Compassionate Conservative though. You want to see how some of these people, at least the one's in the media operate, read "A History Of Injustice". Sure there are Democrats like this too but I think it's more common among Republican politicians.
Let me explain something to you, you Bleeding Heart Liberal! Suck it up $$$$$$! Get with the program! Be a man, you're less than a man! Rush Limbaugh, who's the IDEAL of a man, would be ashamed of you if he wasn't busy putting his wife in her place and drugged up on Oxycontin.
Seriously though let's look at some of the people with this mentality. They can't find the compassion for people who are being bullyed yet they can defend a popular dopehead who had NO compassion for druggies yet is one himself. Seriously rodeo is it hard to see how warped some of their mentality is? Compassionate Conservatism exists but it's not exercized by the hardcore one's. I think Defender might be a Compassionate Conservative though. You want to see how some of these people, at least the one's in the media operate, read "A History Of Injustice". Sure there are Democrats like this too but I think it's more common among Republican politicians.
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[quote name='Msut77']>> yet alonzo is making it into a joke by centering the blame for juvenile violence and suicide on it. It's ridiculous almost to the point of being funny.
I read what Alonzo said and thats really not what he said. Im not going after any strawmen.
Nice try though.
Ever take any Psych or Criminal Justice classes?
Case Studies, ever hear of them?
Pretty much all serial killers etc. had unhappy childhoods and were picked on.
That doesnt excuse what they did, but it isnt some coincidence.
It is well in societies interest to root it out if they can.
Your "they should become tougher" bullshit is duly noted.
But dont let anyone be fooled into thinking it is anything but claptrap designed to help those who would nothing feel better.[/QUOTE]
EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS GROWING UP & THAT CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!
There are MILLIONS of children every year that are killed,molested,kidnapped,have parents pass away,hooked on drugs,in prison,born with birth defects etc... & i'm 100% positive they would rather have been bullied.
Let's talk about those kids first then work our way down to the kids getting bullied in school.
I read what Alonzo said and thats really not what he said. Im not going after any strawmen.
Nice try though.
Ever take any Psych or Criminal Justice classes?
Case Studies, ever hear of them?
Pretty much all serial killers etc. had unhappy childhoods and were picked on.
That doesnt excuse what they did, but it isnt some coincidence.
It is well in societies interest to root it out if they can.
Your "they should become tougher" bullshit is duly noted.
But dont let anyone be fooled into thinking it is anything but claptrap designed to help those who would nothing feel better.[/QUOTE]
EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS GROWING UP & THAT CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!
There are MILLIONS of children every year that are killed,molested,kidnapped,have parents pass away,hooked on drugs,in prison,born with birth defects etc... & i'm 100% positive they would rather have been bullied.
Let's talk about those kids first then work our way down to the kids getting bullied in school.
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[quote name='captaincold']EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS GROWING UP & THAT CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!
There are MILLIONS of children every year that are killed,molested,kidnapped,have parents pass away,hooked on drugs,in prison,born with birth defects etc... & i'm 100% positive they would rather have been bullied.
Let's talk about those kids first then work our way down to the kids getting bullied in school.[/QUOTE]
Wow, this is almost as stupid as the reckless driver who tells the cop that he should be out catching a serial murderer or bank robber instead of writing traffic tickets.
There are MILLIONS of children every year that are killed,molested,kidnapped,have parents pass away,hooked on drugs,in prison,born with birth defects etc... & i'm 100% positive they would rather have been bullied.
Let's talk about those kids first then work our way down to the kids getting bullied in school.[/QUOTE]
Wow, this is almost as stupid as the reckless driver who tells the cop that he should be out catching a serial murderer or bank robber instead of writing traffic tickets.
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[quote name='camoor']Wow, this is almost as stupid as the reckless driver who tells the cop that he should be out catching a serial murderer or bank robber instead of writing traffic tickets.[/QUOTE]
Umm, what are you talking about?
Did you even read the whole post?
Umm, what are you talking about?
Did you even read the whole post?
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Stop spreading your stupid $$$$$$-lover propaganda, liberal piece of crap!
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[quote name='Quackzilla']Stop spreading your stupid $$$$$$-lover propaganda, liberal piece of crap![/QUOTE]
Are you talking about me?
Are you talking about me?
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[quote name='captaincold']EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS GROWING UP & THAT CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!
There are MILLIONS of children every year that are killed,molested,kidnapped,have parents pass away,hooked on drugs,in prison,born with birth defects etc... & i'm 100% positive they would rather have been bullied.
Let's talk about those kids first then work our way down to the kids getting bullied in school.[/QUOTE]
Bullying can lead to drug abuse, criminal behavior (on both sides), violence etc. I don't think you have any idea of the psychological issues, and I think you have no idea of what bullying actually is. Severe cases are usually not a kid who just has a couple people who pick on him from time to time but otherwise has a normal social life.
There are MILLIONS of children every year that are killed,molested,kidnapped,have parents pass away,hooked on drugs,in prison,born with birth defects etc... & i'm 100% positive they would rather have been bullied.
Let's talk about those kids first then work our way down to the kids getting bullied in school.[/QUOTE]
Bullying can lead to drug abuse, criminal behavior (on both sides), violence etc. I don't think you have any idea of the psychological issues, and I think you have no idea of what bullying actually is. Severe cases are usually not a kid who just has a couple people who pick on him from time to time but otherwise has a normal social life.
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My girlfriend goes to the University of Washington & has done many reports/essays on bullying,sexual abuse,domestic violence etc... and we always talk about it. One of the things her class talked about is the amount of media attention bullying gets yet more severe problems involving children are not talked about as much in the media.
I'm not disputing that bullying is bad. I understand that it is a problem but my point is it can't be compared to what other kids go through or have been through.
I'm not disputing that bullying is bad. I understand that it is a problem but my point is it can't be compared to what other kids go through or have been through.
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[quote name='Msut77']>>EVERYONE HAS PROBLEMS GROWING UP & THAT CANNOT BE STOPPED!!!
So because it will never be stamped out that means to try and not help anyone?
Great logic.[/QUOTE]
You obviously haven't read all my post's.
All i said was that there are more serious problems that should be discussed.
So because it will never be stamped out that means to try and not help anyone?
Great logic.[/QUOTE]
You obviously haven't read all my post's.
All i said was that there are more serious problems that should be discussed.
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For the most part, kids can't stop other kids from being killed (suicide excluded), kidnapped, drug addicted (they aren't forced to take drugs), molested or put in prison. You can tell kids how to avoid those things and be safe, which there are extensive campaigns designed to do that. But the mental torment that comes from bullying can worsen some that or make it more likely that the child will make a choice to engage in dangerous behavior. Bullying, in the end, is not a choice or even the result of the victim giving into peer pressure. The responsibility lies solely on the agressor(s), not on the victim.
Children have no effect over parents/friends dying or birth defects. Major upheavils (divorce, death etc.) increase risks of suicide and self damaging behavior, so does bullying. Combined, they're a much more deadly combination than individually.
If we are to concern ourselves with long term mental health of people of all ages (since childhood issues can effect adult lives) then it's irresponsible not to be seriously concerned about bullying. 6 hours a day, 5 days a week in hell can have absolutely massive effects on a person emotional well being. It also lowers academic performance and makes people more succeptible to some physical ailments.
[quote name='captaincold']My girlfriend goes to the University of Washington & has done many reports/essays on bullying,sexual abuse,domestic violence etc... and we always talk about it. One of the things her class talked about is the amount of media attention bullying gets yet more severe problems involving children are not talked about as much in the media.
I'm not disputing that bullying is bad. I understand that it is a problem but my point is it can't be compared to what other kids go through or have been through.[/QUOTE]
Can you get it through your skull that alleviating some of the bullying may prevent OTHER kids from being killed or will you continue to shrug it off saying it's blown out of proportion by the media? Did you hear what Alonzo said about the correlation between bullying and Serial Killers or similar circumstances. I think that's what he said. If you could wouldn't you rather prevent this from happening in the first place by stopping it when it starts, the bullying, or even beforehand. You DO remember the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" right? This is the problem with our Civilizations mentality of treatment over prevention. I will agree in some fields we're doing a great job but this idea should be constantly reinforced THROUGHOUT society, the one of prevention.
If prevention becomes the mentality rather than the exception we will be able to create an affordable heathcare standard for all Americans.
I'm not disputing that bullying is bad. I understand that it is a problem but my point is it can't be compared to what other kids go through or have been through.[/QUOTE]
Can you get it through your skull that alleviating some of the bullying may prevent OTHER kids from being killed or will you continue to shrug it off saying it's blown out of proportion by the media? Did you hear what Alonzo said about the correlation between bullying and Serial Killers or similar circumstances. I think that's what he said. If you could wouldn't you rather prevent this from happening in the first place by stopping it when it starts, the bullying, or even beforehand. You DO remember the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" right? This is the problem with our Civilizations mentality of treatment over prevention. I will agree in some fields we're doing a great job but this idea should be constantly reinforced THROUGHOUT society, the one of prevention.
If prevention becomes the mentality rather than the exception we will be able to create an affordable heathcare standard for all Americans.
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If prevention becomes the mentality rather than the exception we will be able to create an affordable heathcare standard for all Americans.[/QUOTE]
You're right, if done properly universal health care costs less than what we have. The u.s. spends more per capita on health care than any other country in the world.
This is one thing we could learn from cuba, they have one of the best preventive health care systems in the world, better than the u.s. or canada (and canada's preventive care is better than the u.s.). Harvard, and other schools, often send students there (if done properly, students can go to cuba despite the travel ban).
If prevention becomes the mentality rather than the exception we will be able to create an affordable heathcare standard for all Americans.[/QUOTE]
You're right, if done properly universal health care costs less than what we have. The u.s. spends more per capita on health care than any other country in the world.
This is one thing we could learn from cuba, they have one of the best preventive health care systems in the world, better than the u.s. or canada (and canada's preventive care is better than the u.s.). Harvard, and other schools, often send students there (if done properly, students can go to cuba despite the travel ban).
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You're right, if done properly universal health care costs less than what we have. The u.s. spends more per capita on health care than any other country in the world.
This is one thing we could learn from cuba, they have one of the best preventive health care systems in the world, better than the u.s. or canada (and canada's preventive care is better than the u.s.). Harvard, and other schools, often send students there (if done properly, students can go to cuba despite the travel ban).[/QUOTE]
WOW! I didn't know that. With moving the kids down to Cuba from Harvard to learn.
Alonzo my thing is first Americans have to eat right. I don't want to be paying an assload in taxes because there are 10% of people or more EASILY that need weight loss or obesity surgeries because they can't get off the couch. I mean let's face it that would SKYROCKET the cost of it.
This is one thing we could learn from cuba, they have one of the best preventive health care systems in the world, better than the u.s. or canada (and canada's preventive care is better than the u.s.). Harvard, and other schools, often send students there (if done properly, students can go to cuba despite the travel ban).[/QUOTE]
WOW! I didn't know that. With moving the kids down to Cuba from Harvard to learn.
Alonzo my thing is first Americans have to eat right. I don't want to be paying an assload in taxes because there are 10% of people or more EASILY that need weight loss or obesity surgeries because they can't get off the couch. I mean let's face it that would SKYROCKET the cost of it.
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[quote name='Sarang01']WOW! I didn't know that. With moving the kids down to Cuba from Harvard to learn.
Alonzo my thing is first Americans have to eat right. I don't want to be paying an assload in taxes because there are 10% of people or more EASILY that need weight loss or obesity surgeries because they can't get off the couch. I mean let's face it that would SKYROCKET the cost of it.[/QUOTE]
Word up. We should be taxing the hell out of fast food. You want the 18 piece bucket from popeyes - put a little into the fund for your future gastric bypass.
Alonzo my thing is first Americans have to eat right. I don't want to be paying an assload in taxes because there are 10% of people or more EASILY that need weight loss or obesity surgeries because they can't get off the couch. I mean let's face it that would SKYROCKET the cost of it.[/QUOTE]
Word up. We should be taxing the hell out of fast food. You want the 18 piece bucket from popeyes - put a little into the fund for your future gastric bypass.
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[quote name='Sarang01']WOW! I didn't know that. With moving the kids down to Cuba from Harvard to learn.
Alonzo my thing is first Americans have to eat right. I don't want to be paying an assload in taxes because there are 10% of people or more EASILY that need weight loss or obesity surgeries because they can't get off the couch. I mean let's face it that would SKYROCKET the cost of it.[/QUOTE]
It's an optional thing a few students do. It's basically done to expose students to other methods. They use a lot of traditional medicine and have an advanced biochemistry sector. The most noteworthy thing to come from that is the vaccine for meningitis B. I remember hearing of some vaccines currently available only in cuba, but can't remember which, just that some people have traveled there for them. Though they do also have high quality overal university education for doctors, and many travel there (particularly from africa and south america) to study. I also heard something about scholarships to u.s. students, on the condition that they work with the poor once they return to the u.s.
They are in the low end for per capita health care spending, but have extremely high quality preventive health care and immunization system. Overal their health care is the equivalent to the lower end of developed nations, and the life expectancy is almost identical to the u.s. Their doctor-patient ratio also helps in this, as it's the highest in the world. Cuba has a healthy medical tourism industry, meaning people go there for medical treatment from many other nations.
The u.s. is probably the best country for medical care, but only if you can afford it. But for all the negative things that can be said about cuba and castro, their health care system is the one thing that has almost universal praise. It's by far the best in the developing world. It's sad that the u.s. labels everything cuban as evil, as it wasn't until I was in canada that I actually learned how advanced their health care was. The easiest, and by far the cheapest, lesson to learn is simply focus on preventive care, costs plummet if you are succesfull.
Alonzo my thing is first Americans have to eat right. I don't want to be paying an assload in taxes because there are 10% of people or more EASILY that need weight loss or obesity surgeries because they can't get off the couch. I mean let's face it that would SKYROCKET the cost of it.[/QUOTE]
It's an optional thing a few students do. It's basically done to expose students to other methods. They use a lot of traditional medicine and have an advanced biochemistry sector. The most noteworthy thing to come from that is the vaccine for meningitis B. I remember hearing of some vaccines currently available only in cuba, but can't remember which, just that some people have traveled there for them. Though they do also have high quality overal university education for doctors, and many travel there (particularly from africa and south america) to study. I also heard something about scholarships to u.s. students, on the condition that they work with the poor once they return to the u.s.
They are in the low end for per capita health care spending, but have extremely high quality preventive health care and immunization system. Overal their health care is the equivalent to the lower end of developed nations, and the life expectancy is almost identical to the u.s. Their doctor-patient ratio also helps in this, as it's the highest in the world. Cuba has a healthy medical tourism industry, meaning people go there for medical treatment from many other nations.
The u.s. is probably the best country for medical care, but only if you can afford it. But for all the negative things that can be said about cuba and castro, their health care system is the one thing that has almost universal praise. It's by far the best in the developing world. It's sad that the u.s. labels everything cuban as evil, as it wasn't until I was in canada that I actually learned how advanced their health care was. The easiest, and by far the cheapest, lesson to learn is simply focus on preventive care, costs plummet if you are succesfull.
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[quote name='Sarang01']Can you get it through your skull that alleviating some of the bullying may prevent OTHER kids from being killed or will you continue to shrug it off saying it's blown out of proportion by the media? Did you hear what Alonzo said about the correlation between bullying and Serial Killers or similar circumstances. I think that's what he said. If you could wouldn't you rather prevent this from happening in the first place by stopping it when it starts, the bullying, or even beforehand. You DO remember the saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" right? This is the problem with our Civilizations mentality of treatment over prevention. I will agree in some fields we're doing a great job but this idea should be constantly reinforced THROUGHOUT society, the one of prevention.
If prevention becomes the mentality rather than the exception we will be able to create an affordable heathcare standard for all Americans.[/QUOTE]
In my previous post i stated it was a problem. How is that shrugging it off?
If you or anyone else has a idea on how to prevent bullying i would like to hear that.
What needs to be talked about is all these Child Molestors/Rapists being released early out of prison. Almost every week when i pick up a local paper there's pictures of child molestors & the addresses in which they're gonna be staying. It pisses me off because this CAN be prevented.
If prevention becomes the mentality rather than the exception we will be able to create an affordable heathcare standard for all Americans.[/QUOTE]
In my previous post i stated it was a problem. How is that shrugging it off?
If you or anyone else has a idea on how to prevent bullying i would like to hear that.
What needs to be talked about is all these Child Molestors/Rapists being released early out of prison. Almost every week when i pick up a local paper there's pictures of child molestors & the addresses in which they're gonna be staying. It pisses me off because this CAN be prevented.
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If you or anyone else has a idea on how to prevent bullying i would like to hear that.[/quote]
The focus in our system often focuses on punishment instead of rehabilitation. That needs to be switched.
If you or anyone else has a idea on how to prevent bullying i would like to hear that.[/quote]
The focus in our system often focuses on punishment instead of rehabilitation. That needs to be switched.
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It's an optional thing a few students do. It's basically done to expose students to other methods. They use a lot of traditional medicine and have an advanced biochemistry sector. The most noteworthy thing to come from that is the vaccine for meningitis B. I remember hearing of some vaccines currently available only in cuba, but can't remember which, just that some people have traveled there for them. Though they do also have high quality overal university education for doctors, and many travel there (particularly from africa and south america) to study. I also heard something about scholarships to u.s. students, on the condition that they work with the poor once they return to the u.s.
They are in the low end for per capita health care spending, but have extremely high quality preventive health care and immunization system. Overal their health care is the equivalent to the lower end of developed nations, and the life expectancy is almost identical to the u.s. Their doctor-patient ratio also helps in this, as it's the highest in the world. Cuba has a healthy medical tourism industry, meaning people go there for medical treatment from many other nations.
The u.s. is probably the best country for medical care, but only if you can afford it. But for all the negative things that can be said about cuba and castro, their health care system is the one thing that has almost universal praise. It's by far the best in the developing world. It's sad that the u.s. labels everything cuban as evil, as it wasn't until I was in canada that I actually learned how advanced their health care was. The easiest, and by far the cheapest, lesson to learn is simply focus on preventive care, costs plummet if you are succesfull.[/QUOTE]
When you say traditional you don't mean contemporary right? You talking Herbs and shit because I think that's a great idea to keep costs down. I'd also like to see stuff such as Acupuncture being more widely accepted in the surgery room even though it would scare me to death. I HATE needles under my skin.
Cold you're obviously playing around. I mean the problem should be nipped in the bud and I CLEARLY put that down and you're selectively picking what I said.
Alonzo you should read "A History Of Injustice".
They are in the low end for per capita health care spending, but have extremely high quality preventive health care and immunization system. Overal their health care is the equivalent to the lower end of developed nations, and the life expectancy is almost identical to the u.s. Their doctor-patient ratio also helps in this, as it's the highest in the world. Cuba has a healthy medical tourism industry, meaning people go there for medical treatment from many other nations.
The u.s. is probably the best country for medical care, but only if you can afford it. But for all the negative things that can be said about cuba and castro, their health care system is the one thing that has almost universal praise. It's by far the best in the developing world. It's sad that the u.s. labels everything cuban as evil, as it wasn't until I was in canada that I actually learned how advanced their health care was. The easiest, and by far the cheapest, lesson to learn is simply focus on preventive care, costs plummet if you are succesfull.[/QUOTE]
When you say traditional you don't mean contemporary right? You talking Herbs and shit because I think that's a great idea to keep costs down. I'd also like to see stuff such as Acupuncture being more widely accepted in the surgery room even though it would scare me to death. I HATE needles under my skin.
Cold you're obviously playing around. I mean the problem should be nipped in the bud and I CLEARLY put that down and you're selectively picking what I said.
Alonzo you should read "A History Of Injustice".
[quote name='Msut77']>> yet alonzo is making it into a joke by centering the blame for juvenile violence and suicide on it. It's ridiculous almost to the point of being funny.
I read what Alonzo said and thats really not what he said. Im not going after any strawmen.
Nice try though.
Ever take any Psych or Criminal Justice classes?
Case Studies, ever hear of them?
Pretty much all serial killers etc. had unhappy childhoods and were picked on.
That doesnt excuse what they did, but it isnt some coincidence.
It is well in societies interest to root it out if they can.
Your "they should become tougher" bullshit is duly noted.
But dont let anyone be fooled into thinking it is anything but claptrap designed to help those who would nothing feel better.[/QUOTE]
If you plan on acting intelligent in the future, you really need to get a better handle on the english language. Perhaps those mean old bullies are preventing you from concentrating in class. If they are, then I stand corrected on my previous speech on the subject but I do have a suggestion for you: local self defense and night school classes are scheduling as we speak.
I read what Alonzo said and thats really not what he said. Im not going after any strawmen.
Nice try though.
Ever take any Psych or Criminal Justice classes?
Case Studies, ever hear of them?
Pretty much all serial killers etc. had unhappy childhoods and were picked on.
That doesnt excuse what they did, but it isnt some coincidence.
It is well in societies interest to root it out if they can.
Your "they should become tougher" bullshit is duly noted.
But dont let anyone be fooled into thinking it is anything but claptrap designed to help those who would nothing feel better.[/QUOTE]
If you plan on acting intelligent in the future, you really need to get a better handle on the english language. Perhaps those mean old bullies are preventing you from concentrating in class. If they are, then I stand corrected on my previous speech on the subject but I do have a suggestion for you: local self defense and night school classes are scheduling as we speak.
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[quote name='Sarang01']When you say traditional you don't mean contemporary right? You talking Herbs and shit because I think that's a great idea to keep costs down. I'd also like to see stuff such as Acupuncture being more widely accepted in the surgery room even though it would scare me to death. I HATE needles under my skin.
Cold you're obviously playing around. I mean the problem should be nipped in the bud and I CLEARLY put that down and you're selectively picking what I said.
Alonzo you should read "A History Of Injustice".[/QUOTE]
Yes. Basically, they have been expanding their use of herbs and natural medicine. This is different than those new age places you run across which is essentially hit or miss, the medicine in use has been scientifically tested. It's used when it's superior to modern medicine for the circumstance. Besides the cost, you don't need hi tech equipment and there's often less of an issue with pain.
What's "a history of injustice" about? I don't see it on amazon, but it sounds familiar.
Cold you're obviously playing around. I mean the problem should be nipped in the bud and I CLEARLY put that down and you're selectively picking what I said.
Alonzo you should read "A History Of Injustice".[/QUOTE]
Yes. Basically, they have been expanding their use of herbs and natural medicine. This is different than those new age places you run across which is essentially hit or miss, the medicine in use has been scientifically tested. It's used when it's superior to modern medicine for the circumstance. Besides the cost, you don't need hi tech equipment and there's often less of an issue with pain.
What's "a history of injustice" about? I don't see it on amazon, but it sounds familiar.
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Yes. Basically, they have been expanding their use of herbs and natural medicine. This is different than those new age places you run across which is essentially hit or miss, the medicine in use has been scientifically tested. It's used when it's superior to modern medicine for the circumstance. Besides the cost, you don't need hi tech equipment and there's often less of an issue with pain.
What's "a history of injustice" about? I don't see it on amazon, but it sounds familiar.[/QUOTE]
According to supersize me, decreased amounts of sugar and preservatives, plus increased amounts of vegetables and cooked foods seem to calm kids down.
What's "a history of injustice" about? I don't see it on amazon, but it sounds familiar.[/QUOTE]
According to supersize me, decreased amounts of sugar and preservatives, plus increased amounts of vegetables and cooked foods seem to calm kids down.
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[quote name='alonzomourning23']what's a church's?[/QUOTE]
Remember that place where they stuck that moral dildo up your ass? Yeah that place.
Remember that place where they stuck that moral dildo up your ass? Yeah that place.
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