Bungie and MS are tag teaming XBox modders!

Thanks. I'm not certain if MS is stating that they are comparing the hard drives to stock Xbox hard drives, or if they are scanning the *contents* of said hard drives. I've heard both theories. Hmm.

myke.
 
thats really jacked that MS would do that because the xbox wouldnt have sold so well if it wasnt able to be modded.
 
I wouldn't get too mad if I were those people. I did a soft mod to play French Halo 2, but deleted the mini-Linux 11/7 and got my reserved copy of Halo 2 LE 11/9. I can get on Live, but still use XBC alot b/c Live takes so much time to find a game its rediculous.
 
ALll I got to say is
Ha Ha Ha Ha

You loose the xbox

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Pretty crappy of Ms but pretty freckin funny too! Bill Gates Rules!


I'll Teach them to mess with GOds CREATION! TAKE THIS INFIDELS! I JUST CONTROL/ALT/DELETED YOUR ASS!

AND ON THE 8TH DAY THE BILL DESTROYED ALL EVIL X-BOX MODDERS!
 
Yeah, like people won't come up with a way to get around the little MS virus that goes after modded XBoxes. The "evil" people in the hacking/cracking world are almost always one step ahead of the "good" people.
 
[quote name='redgopher'][quote name='Scorch']I think that they used Halo 2 as a vehicle to catch more. They knew people would buy it, so maybe it installed stuff on their system, too. Like a virus.

A virus that amuses the holy shaq-fu out of me.[/quote]

I love your point of view on this whole situation. It totally adds to the hilarity. As if, "OMG WTF M$ WON'T LET ME USE THEIR SERVICE BECAUSE I WON'T FOLLOW THE RULES" wasn't enough. Cheers![/quote]

What? All I'm saying is that I find it funny, and you should too, as you work retail.

I can't tell if you were being serious or a jerk.
 
You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are fucking assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.
 
[quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

you suckas got served
 
[quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

That's not legal. Why the hell would you buy the game then waste time downloading it? That's retarded as all hell. Just to leave a copy sealed? That's the lamest cop-out ever.
 
Maybe because he's a cheapassgamer? Or maybe he likes them sealed for his collection? It's not stupid.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']If people are going to mod their box they should just buy another one that they dont mod, so they can play on Xbox Live.[/quote]

That a good idea except for one thing: Live is no where near worth the price of a second xbox.
 
[quote name='Scorch'][quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

That's not legal. Why the hell would you buy the game then waste time downloading it? That's retarded as all hell. Just to leave a copy sealed? That's the lamest cop-out ever.[/quote]
I dunno, if you have rare and collectable things that you don't want to open, its not a bad solution. Though, there aren't really any rare Xbox games.

I have rare games that are sealed that I want to play, but if I open them they'll lose 50-75% of their value. That, renting/borrowing, or finding a cheap disc only copy to play are all options to consider. I wouldn't say its illegal if you own the game. And I don't really care if it is. Its not against my morals if I own the game, I don't care what anyone else says. No court would convict me (and no one would sue, but thats beside the point)
 
Man, that was a whole lot of bitching. Most of those guys seemed to admit to pirating and other stuff, though, so I guess they got what was coming to them.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I dunno, if you have rare and collectable things that you don't want to open, its not a bad solution. Though, there aren't really any rare Xbox games.

I have rare games that are sealed that I want to play, but if I open them they'll lose 50-75% of their value. That, renting/borrowing, or finding a cheap disc only copy to play are all options to consider. I wouldn't say its illegal if you own the game. And I don't really care if it is. Its not against my morals if I own the game, I don't care what anyone else says. No court would convict me (and no one would sue, but thats beside the point)[/quote]

Why would you be buying the game if you weren't going to play it, though? Even games I don't plan on playing immediately I open as soon as I get them. I don't see any reason not to.
 
[quote name='Mr_hockey66']I'll Teach them to mess with GOds CREATION! TAKE THIS INFIDELS! I JUST CONTROL/ALT/DELETED YOUR ASS![/quote]

If you modded your Xbox, Bill Gates will declare a Jihad on you, too.
 
XBC is there for a reason, I mean if you went to all the trouble to make your Xbox different than what MS originally designed it for, why would you want to play on a MS originally designed online gaming community? To be honest I am to lazy to crack open my xbox and add shit to it, if I wanna watch a movie I'll rent it or DL it and watch it on my gf's laptop. If I wanna listen to music I'll move my boom box and throw in a burnt cd, but I won't steal only to complain when I get caught about the injustice of the world. I'm glad most of these modders are taking the "grown-up" approach and either working around it or buying a new one, and those that don't, wait a couple months and someone will figure out a way around it.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Kaijufan']If people are going to mod their box they should just buy another one that they dont mod, so they can play on Xbox Live.[/quote]

That a good idea except for one thing: Live is no where near worth the price of a second xbox.[/quote]
Then they should just buy a used Box, or play on XBC (can you use the headset on XBC?).
 
[quote name='Kaijufan'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Kaijufan']If people are going to mod their box they should just buy another one that they dont mod, so they can play on Xbox Live.[/quote]

That a good idea except for one thing: Live is no where near worth the price of a second xbox.[/quote]
Then they should just buy a used Box, or play on XBC (can you use the headset on XBC?).[/quote]

I don't know about the headset; I believe that XBC emulates a LAN, so it doesn't support all LIVE titles. It only supports titles that allow for LAN games.

No ESPN NFL 2K5 for XBC users, in other words. Halo 2 is cool, tho.
 
for curiosity's sake, why are some of you so opposed to modded xboxs? (which seems to carry over to distaste for people who mod their systems)
 
[quote name='specialk']for curiosity's sake, why are some of you so opposed to modded xboxs? (which seems to carry over to distaste for people who mod their systems)[/quote]

The answer to that question should be fairly obvious if you are the least bit familiar with modding (and you should be after reading this thread).
 
[quote name='specialk']for curiosity's sake, why are some of you so opposed to modded xboxs? (which seems to carry over to distaste for people who mod their systems)[/quote]

Social desirability; being against piracy is the preferred response.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Social desirability[/quote]

On an internet message board? You've got to be kidding me.
 
i am quite familiar with modding. i was just wondeirng why the hate.


also, those against it, are you against all forms of piracy? (music, software, etc)
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='specialk']for curiosity's sake, why are some of you so opposed to modded xboxs? (which seems to carry over to distaste for people who mod their systems)[/quote]

The answer to that question should be fairly obvious if you are the least bit familiar with modding (and you should be after reading this thread).[/quote]
The real answer is ignorance. People don't see a need to have anything on their console other than what is spoon-fed to them by MS or Sony. People don't see how its not illegal to do whatever you want with a piece of hardware that you OWN. People think that modding = pirating software. Its not. Its a separate issue. If MS didn't lockout software from anyone but companies that pay for the privilege, or had some kind of a homebrew software program, it wouldn't be necessary for most people.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The real answer is ignorance. People don't see a need to have anything on their console other than what is spoon-fed to them by MS or Sony. People don't see how its not illegal to do whatever you want with a piece of hardware that you OWN. People think that modding = pirating software. Its not. Its a separate issue. If MS didn't lockout software from anyone but companies that pay for the privilege, or had some kind of a homebrew software program, it wouldn't be necessary for most people.[/quote]

I wasn't implying that I agree or disagree with either side of the argument. I have no desire to mod regardless of my own moral implications, and the fear of prosecution wouldn't stop me from modding. I just thought the question of why some people have a problem with it to be a bit silly as the reason why they have a problem is fairly obvious, whether or not they are correct.
 
[quote name='mmn'][quote name='mykevermin']Social desirability[/quote]

On an internet message board? You've got to be kidding me.[/quote]

I truly hope that you are being sarcastic; I, for one, can't tell.

myke.
 
actually ledhed, i've read through this entire thread and the answer isn't as clear as you made it out to be....some seem to be moral, while others never stated...i think the question was warranted. if people have such a problem with mods, then i'm sure they will gladly have their reasons, and that's what i was wondering.
 
[quote name='specialk']actually ledhed, i've read through this entire thread and the answer isn't as clear as you made it out to be....some seem to be moral, while others never stated...i think the question was warranted. if people have such a problem with mods, then i'm sure they will gladly have their reasons, and that's what i was wondering.[/quote]

Please don't think I was calling you stupid or silly or anything. It's just that I've seen this same back-and-forth argument more times than I care to think, and it's always the same thing. But, until a true platform regarding the matter is introduced, this argument has (and deserves) its place.
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='dafoomie']The real answer is ignorance. People don't see a need to have anything on their console other than what is spoon-fed to them by MS or Sony. People don't see how its not illegal to do whatever you want with a piece of hardware that you OWN. People think that modding = pirating software. Its not. Its a separate issue. If MS didn't lockout software from anyone but companies that pay for the privilege, or had some kind of a homebrew software program, it wouldn't be necessary for most people.[/quote]

I wasn't implying that I agree or disagree with either side of the argument. I have no desire to mod regardless of my own moral implications, and the fear of prosecution wouldn't stop me from modding. I just thought the question of why some people have a problem with it to be a bit silly as the reason why they have a problem is fairly obvious, whether or not they are correct.[/quote]
I wasn't saying that this was your attitude, but a lot of people just think modding = 'pirating' software = illegal evil bad bad bad. (pirating is a bit of a misnomer, but thats for another discussion).

I'm not calling you ignorant btw, after reading the post, it kinda seems like I did.
 
LOL In my college in the tech department where my major is 12 of my professors have modded xboxes all of them use it for ftp servers and for a multi-media PC they hook to their tvs. I am just really sick of people crapping on others who have modded Xboxes here is a update!!! Not everyone who mods their systems do it for playing copied games. Out of all the people I know with modded Xboxes (34 including my teachers) only 2 of them did it so they could play pirated games. Give some people a break. Only 119$ +56$ for a mod chip for a multimedia PC is a great friggin deal. I feel bad for the people who cant play halo 2 but thats why I have 2 xboxes. I am just sick of little bitches whining about the fact others have modded xboxes and all they do is play pirated games! Well most dont you you social rejects, either that or your whining because your not intellegent enought to mod your system yourself. Try it! its great everything you can do with a xbox and all that with out having a big ugly tower sitting next to your TV. You can get more ram for your xbox and even a better processor if you mod it. It is a piece of work, I am against piracy. Being able to stream video off my PC and watch it on my tv in the livingroom is great, and you can always update your drivers and bios to support every media type. I just think people should stop just insta-flaming anyone who brings up the topic of modding and start insta-flaming all those with HDD loaders which almost everyone I know who has one rents games and burns them to the HD. Then they come in here and flame the people who have modded xboxes..... God damn, our world is pretty FU*ked up!!!
 
[quote name='asuitor']LOL In my college in the tech department where my major is 12 of my professors have modded xboxes all of them use it for ftp servers and for a multi-media PC they hook to their tvs. I am just really sick of people crapping on others who have modded Xboxes here is a update!!! Not everyone who mods their systems do it for playing copied games. Out of all the people I know with modded Xboxes (34 including my teachers) only 2 of them did it so they could play pirated games. Give some people a break. Only 119$ +56$ for a mod chip for a multimedia PC is a great friggin deal. I feel bad for the people who cant play halo 2 but thats why I have 2 xboxes. I am just sick of little bitches whining about the fact others have modded xboxes and all they do is play pirated games! Well most dont you you social rejects, either that or your whining because your not intellegent enought to mod your system yourself. Try it! its great everything you can do with a xbox and all that with out having a big ugly tower sitting next to your TV. You can get more ram for your xbox and even a better processor if you mod it. It is a piece of work, I am against piracy. Being able to stream video off my PC and watch it on my tv in the livingroom is great, and you can always update your drivers and bios to support every media type. I just think people should stop just insta-flaming anyone who brings up the topic of modding and start insta-flaming all those with HDD loaders which almost everyone I know who has one rents games and burns them to the HD. Then they come in here and flame the people who have modded xboxes..... God damn, our world is pretty FU*ked up!!![/quote]
Exactly what I wanted to say.

The softmod is free, so thats an even better deal. I used to have mine softmodded so I could stream movies and anime to my TV, but now my monitor is as big as my TV (20 inch) and my video card has tv out. I didn't need it to do that anymore, so I uninstalled the mod and started playing on XBL. Its actually a great use for Xboxes that have had their DVD drives fail or getting close to it, since you can stream off a computer and not use the drive at all.
 
[quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

Actually, if you read the DMCA it is not legal. The game contains copy protection and you are circumventing the copy protection. That is illegal.

And I find it hard to believe that you are buying every game that you are downloading... people like you are so full of shit... you are downloading games for free and just buying the games for Xbox Live.
 
[quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='specialk']for curiosity's sake, why are some of you so opposed to modded xboxs? (which seems to carry over to distaste for people who mod their systems)[/quote]

The answer to that question should be fairly obvious if you are the least bit familiar with modding (and you should be after reading this thread).[/quote]
The real answer is ignorance. People don't see a need to have anything on their console other than what is spoon-fed to them by MS or Sony. People don't see how its not illegal to do whatever you want with a piece of hardware that you OWN. People think that modding = pirating software. Its not. Its a separate issue. If MS didn't lockout software from anyone but companies that pay for the privilege, or had some kind of a homebrew software program, it wouldn't be necessary for most people.[/quote]

99% of the people who bought the Xbox for gaming and Modded the system did so to pirate video games.
 
[quote name='Indiana'][quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

Actually, if you read the DMCA it is not legal. The game contains copy protection and you are circumventing the copy protection. That is illegal.

And I find it hard to believe that you are buying every game that you are downloading... people like you are so full of shit... you are downloading games for free and just buying the games for Xbox Live.[/quote]
You have completely missed the boat, and completely proven my point about ignorance.

Who here is talking about using the mod for Xbox games, or downloading Xbox games? No one. So far, we've talked about homebrew games, applications, and streaming video. You're not circumventing copy protection on anything, you're not copying anything. You're circumventing their access control to run your own software, which is very, very different.

[quote name='Indiana']99% of the people who bought the Xbox for gaming and Modded the system did so to pirate video games.[/quote]
Have anything to back that up, or did you just pull that out of your ass? (I shouldn't ask, I know the answer).
 
Here is the whole reason I think its funny that the posters on that other board are getting so angry about this:

It specifically states in the agreement you sign when you set up Live that you can't use a modded Xbox for it. If you want to mod your Xbox, thats your choice, but don't be upset when you can't do something that you already agreed not to do.
 
ledhed, no offense taken, i just wanted to clarify myself.


i was mainly wondering if those against modding thought d/ling videos, mp3's, etc. was wrong. like where do they draw the line?
 
[quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='Indiana'][quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

Actually, if you read the DMCA it is not legal. The game contains copy protection and you are circumventing the copy protection. That is illegal.

And I find it hard to believe that you are buying every game that you are downloading... people like you are so full of shit... you are downloading games for free and just buying the games for Xbox Live.[/quote]
You have completely missed the boat, and completely proven my point about ignorance.

Who here is talking about using the mod for Xbox games, or downloading Xbox games? No one. So far, we've talked about homebrew games, applications, and streaming video. You're not circumventing copy protection on anything, you're not copying anything. You're circumventing their access control to run your own software, which is very, very different.

[quote name='Indiana']99% of the people who bought the Xbox for gaming and Modded the system did so to pirate video games.[/quote]
Have anything to back that up, or did you just pull that out of your ass? (I shouldn't ask, I know the answer).[/quote]

There is only one company that would have any sort of stats... and that is Microsoft and they are not speaking. :!: Apparently the majority of people bought mod chips in order to pirate software. If that was not the case you would not be hearing about so many people being upset about being banned from Xbox LIVE.

If you wanted to mod your system and play video games go buy a computer!

I'm really suprised that MS$ didn't get the courts involved similar to what is happening in the recording industry. That would be really funny... not only will you not be able to play on live but now you owe MS$ a couple thousand dollars...or go to court.
 
[quote name='Indiana'][quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='Indiana'][quote name='lain21us']You guys who are saying this is "cool", and "it's about time", and "serves them right", are shaq-fuing assholes. I have a modded Xbox and I just download games and burn them so I don't have to open them. Then they're still sealed when I'm done with them. 100% legal, as described in the DMCA which I'm quite sure you pricks have never read.[/quote]

Actually, if you read the DMCA it is not legal. The game contains copy protection and you are circumventing the copy protection. That is illegal.

And I find it hard to believe that you are buying every game that you are downloading... people like you are so full of shit... you are downloading games for free and just buying the games for Xbox Live.[/quote]
You have completely missed the boat, and completely proven my point about ignorance.

Who here is talking about using the mod for Xbox games, or downloading Xbox games? No one. So far, we've talked about homebrew games, applications, and streaming video. You're not circumventing copy protection on anything, you're not copying anything. You're circumventing their access control to run your own software, which is very, very different.

[quote name='Indiana']99% of the people who bought the Xbox for gaming and Modded the system did so to pirate video games.[/quote]
Have anything to back that up, or did you just pull that out of your ass? (I shouldn't ask, I know the answer).[/quote]

There is only one company that would have any sort of stats... and that is Microsoft and they are not speaking. :!:

Oh.. and I can tell you that I bet they have never banned a machine that was not modded as a mistake. This would be a fairly simple task to execute and I fully agree with what they are doing. If you wanted to mod your system and play video games go buy a computer!

If you want to mod your xbox FINE...just don't connect to Xbox LIVE and Don't bitch once your banned.

I'm really suprised that MS$ didn't get the courts involved similar to what is happening in the recording industry. That would be really funny... not only will you not be able to play on live but now you owe MS$ a couple thousand dollars...or go to court.[/quote]

Modding your Xbox is against the law now?
 
Wow. Very strange events indeed. I believe that pirating is wrong, but not all people who modded their Xbox would use them for that. To prove this point, one of my friends bought a used Xbox, and when he got it home, we found it was a modded one. He doesn't use anything illegal on it, but it is a shame that he too will get booted out of XBL.
 
No it is not illegal to modify your Xbox... but I'm sure MS can tell if you have games copied to your hard drive. That is illegal.
 
[quote name='Rig']Wow. Very strange events indeed. I believe that pirating is wrong, but not all people who modded their Xbox would use them for that. To prove this point, one of my friends bought a used Xbox, and when he got it home, we found it was a modded one. He doesn't use anything illegal on it, but it is a shame that he too will get booted out of XBL.[/quote]

Did it even work on Live to start with? I thought most of these ended up sold off because they were already banned.

Also don't the game shops refuse to buy opened Xboxes because of this?
 
[quote name='Indiana']No it is not illegal to modify your Xbox... but I'm sure MS can tell if you have games copied to your hard drive. That is illegal.[/quote]
I agree. And I also agree with the poster that said that if you mod your Xbox, don't use Live. MS is well within their rights to ban people that have modded their Xboxes, its their service and I applaud them for it. But there are legitimate uses for modded Xboxes, and not being able to play on Live is the price you pay.
 
1) It's not Halo 2 that's doing it, I was banned before Halo 2 was out
2) I don't pirate games
3) Kinda sucks that this happened, but I'll be getting another Xbox for Live though, because nothing's taking away my modded one :D
 
[quote name='greendj27']Here is the whole reason I think its funny that the posters on that other board are getting so angry about this:

It specifically states in the agreement you sign when you set up Live that you can't use a modded Xbox for it. If you want to mod your Xbox, thats your choice, but don't be upset when you can't do something that you already agreed not to do.[/quote]

The reason there's a lot of backlash and anger from modded XBox users is because there is evidence of Microsoft scanning their eeprom and hd serial number (look at my post on page 5 if you dont know what I'm talking about) 8 months ago. Microsoft knew who they were going to ban well before November 9th, and just decided to piss every modder with a bigger hard drive off by banning them near or on the eve of the launch of the biggest Live enabled game ever.
 
[quote name='Indiana']No it is not illegal to modify your Xbox... but I'm sure MS can tell if you have games copied to your hard drive. That is illegal.[/quote]

To what extent is it invasion of privacy to examine what a person does with something they own (without their knowledge)?

If not, to what extent should it be? If MS is scanning drives (a big if, IMO), what other personal items could be feasibly "watching" you, for lack of a better phrase.

Doesn't that idea bother you at all?

myke.
 
[quote name='Indiana'][quote name='Rig']Wow. Very strange events indeed. I believe that pirating is wrong, but not all people who modded their Xbox would use them for that. To prove this point, one of my friends bought a used Xbox, and when he got it home, we found it was a modded one. He doesn't use anything illegal on it, but it is a shame that he too will get booted out of XBL.[/quote]

Did it even work on Live to start with? I thought most of these ended up sold off because they were already banned.

Also don't the game shops refuse to buy opened Xboxes because of this?[/quote]

I don't think most places check to see if they are opened. It was pretty surprising to see it was modded. And, I actually don't know if he has tried going on XBL. I believe you could some time ago, but am not sure if you can now. I do know (if he hasn't already) he was planning on getting XBL, and now I can tell him not to spend the money...
 
Jesus, I am glad of automatic login, now I am piss drunk and hope xbox AND ps2 modders can get alongf, not everyone wants to pirast e stuff LOLI cant type... goodnight
 
[quote name='Indiana'][quote name='Rig']Wow. Very strange events indeed. I believe that pirating is wrong, but not all people who modded their Xbox would use them for that. To prove this point, one of my friends bought a used Xbox, and when he got it home, we found it was a modded one. He doesn't use anything illegal on it, but it is a shame that he too will get booted out of XBL.[/quote]

Did it even work on Live to start with? I thought most of these ended up sold off because they were already banned.

Also don't the game shops refuse to buy opened Xboxes because of this?[/quote]

I didn't think game shop employees cared about anything except Mountain Dew and Kasumi Pillows:

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