Bush committed to recovery effort, as long as it doesn't mean raising taxes

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President Bush (search) on Friday said he was committed to a massive recovery effort in areas affected by Hurricane Katrina (search) — no matter the cost, as long as tax hikes were not part of the plan.

"It's going to cost money, and I'm confident we can handle it," the president said during a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin (search) at the White House. "We're going to make sure we cut unnecessary spending, maintain economic growth and therefore, we should not raise taxes."

But while Bush said the government should not take more money from working Americans, White House officials and top Republicans on Friday acknowledged that U.S. taxpayers would be funding the recovery plan.

"Right now, it's falling on the taxpayer broadly, but also on that next generation," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said during a congressional trip to New Orleans.

Bush did not answer reporters' questions with specifics about how the government would pay for such an unprecedented undertaking, but he repeatedly said that the spending would not stop until "there's an infrastructure."

The president said "economic-growth zones" — which presumably entail tax incentives for businesses — would be laid out to encourage businesses to return to flood-ravaged areas. Bush also said some government programs would be cut, but did not specify which.

The previous evening, Bush had announced a far-reaching, ambitious plan to rebuild the Gulf Coast and help Katrina's approximately 3 million victims find new housing and jobs.

The cost of cleaning up affected areas, rebuilding towns and cities and resettling displaced residents is predicted to reach between $100 billion to $200 billion. The government is already spending $2 billion a day on cleanup and recovery efforts, and while that figure is expected to drop it will still likely outpace daily spending in Iraq.

Economists who were concerned about America's fiscal health well before Katrina said it was urgent that the president start listening to them.

"We had a very serious budget problem before Katrina hit," said Jim Horney of the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.

Horney said that before Katrina, the federal budget deficit (search) was already unlikely to fall below $300 billion over the next 10 years assuming Congress made Bush's tax cuts permanent, ongoing military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and millions of new baby boomer retirees.

The White House in July projected the fiscal 2005 budget deficit would hit $333 billion, down from last year's record $412 and below forecasts. Economists believe the massive recovery effort — one of the largest ever in the world — will only push the deficit back up.

"It's important to understand there is no piggy bank when you think about emergency money for disasters, because we're already in a deficit situation. We have to borrow that money," said Linda Bilmes (search) of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.

The U.S. economy, nearly $8 trillion in debt, has been kept afloat largely because countries including China, Japan, Saudi Arabia and South Korea have been snapping up U.S. Treasury bonds and notes. But not one of the countries is doing so for altruistic reasons, and could stop buying up U.S. debt at their whim.

"Half our national debt is already owned by these countries. We are vulnerable to the vicissitudes of the decision-making of these countries, who could decide they don't want to lend us money anymore. Not because of animosity, but because they are looking out for their own economies," Bilmes, a former assistant secretary of commerce, warned.

Bilmes' old boss, former President Bill Clinton, echoed that forecast last week in a visit to China, which has bought more U.S. debt than any other country. Clinton told an audience of businessmen that their country would eventually have to dial back on buying U.S. dollars in order to boost its own currency, the yuan.

Horney and Bilmes agreed that by refusing to raise taxes, the Bush administration was just digging itself a deeper hole.

"In the long run that's got to be part of the solution, rolling back tax cuts," Horney said. "If you don't [approach the deficit] as a shared, balanced approach where you look both at the revenue side and spending side of the budget, you don't do much to decrease the deficit. You can't do it without doing both."

"Philosophically, the view of this administration has been that by lowering taxes, it would stimulate investing, growth, etc," Bilmes told FOXNews.com. "At this point will they say, 'We understand, it doesn't negate this philosophy, but we've already had one financial disaster in terms of Iraq blowing a hole in our resources, and now we have this.'"

But opponents of higher taxes said it was unfair for average Americans to foot the bill for a natural disaster.

"The government is responsible for securing the area, cleaning it up and rebuilding the basic infrastructure," said Jonathan Hoenig, managing member of Capitalistpig Asset Management and a FOX News contributor. "But it's not the job of government to redistribute everyone else's income to those in the area."

Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., praised Bush for saying he would not raise taxes.

"If the total cost of the hurricane recovery effort approaches $200 billion, as some have suggested, that would amount to every family in the country paying about $2,500. The last thing we need to do would be to saddle taxpayers with a tax increase," Flake said in a statement.

Economists also questioned the scope and depth of Bush's plan, and wondered if he wasn't overreaching in an effort to make up for the government's initial, admittedly incompetent response to the disaster.

"He screwed up, and both [former Federal Emergency Management Agency Director] Michael Brown and [Homeland Security Secretary] Michael Chertoff really screwed up, so taxpayers are going to get the bill," said Chris Edwards of the CATO Institute. "Bush is overcompensating by promising the moon because his administration screwed up. Politics is driving policy."

Under Bush's plan, the federal government will reimburse schools that take in displaced students, cover health care costs for all evacuees and give $5,000 accounts to evacuees to help with job training, housing and child care.

"The federal government doesn't have the money. The rebuilding money should come from state and local budgets," Edwards told FOXNews.com. "States should issue bonds for long-term investments for freeways and the like. ... They should look at innovative private financing mechanisms."

But not all the responsibility fell on the Bush administration, Edwards said, pointing to the pork-laden spending bills that have come out of Congress recently.

"The levees were a public interest project, but Congress" — including lawmakers from Louisiana — "misallocated money to these special projects, and these true public interest projects like the levees weren't funded. That's the scandal, it seems to me."

Bilmes said she wondered whether all the spending under Bush's plan was appropriate.

"One issue that needs to be asked more squarely is the number of people affected by Hurricane Katrina directly is three million people. That's one percent of the population, and we're spending 10 percent of the entire tax revenues of the country on them," she said.

Some also questioned Bush's plan to boost home ownership among minorities in the devastated region, which would provide federal land but leaves recipients with the costs of homebuilding.

"It's not clear how much property is available in the right places, and it's not clear how the president anticipates people who get that land will pay for construction," Horney said. Getting a mortgage might be too difficult for the poorest, and Habitat for Humanity — which Bush said could help with costs — built just 5,400 houses last year, Horney added.

CATO's Edwards said if Bush's approach to spending doesn't change after two national catastrophes and two wars, his place in history has already been cemented.

"The thing I have never understood about this administration is that these high deficits will mean that the next president comes in, from either party, and will try to reverse all of Bush's tax cuts," he said. "All his programs will be eliminated and he will be remembered as the big spending president. ... He's leaving a substantially negative legacy."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169618,00.html

I especially like the part where it was suggested (granted, not by the administration) that the money for rebuilding should come from the budget of one of the poorest states, and poorest cities in the country.

Though this is going to cost 2,500 of tax money per person, and we have an absolutely massive deficit. So, instead of raising taxes, we just cut more programs (won't be the military, probably useless programs like funding for schools), and we'll still end up worse than we stated.
 
"He screwed up, and both [former Federal Emergency Management Agency Director] Michael Brown and [Homeland Security Secretary] Michael Chertoff really screwed up, so taxpayers are going to get the bill," said Chris Edwards of the CATO Institute. "Bush is overcompensating by promising the moon because his administration screwed up. Politics is driving policy."

Mark this moment, and remember it well.

I agree with the statement of a CATO spokesperson.
 
Yeah, wtf, this makes no sense whatsoever. Rebuilding the area at this ridiculous cost is asinine. Bulldoze the entire thing and rebuild elsewhere otherwise you'll see the exact same thing happen again on the order of at least twice a century. I have no interest whatsoever wasting billions of tax dollars on a futile effort. They should just cut their losses and move on.
 
they should build it underwater, like the lost city of Atlanta


I am just curious how can bush still be considered a Republican, because fiscal conservation went out the window awhile back and where the hell is all this money going to come from. He needs to tax people something we are spending money out the ass between the War and now this.
 
[quote name='Nogib']Yeah, wtf, this makes no sense whatsoever. Rebuilding the area at this ridiculous cost is asinine. Bulldoze the entire thing and rebuild elsewhere otherwise you'll see the exact same thing happen again on the order of at least twice a century. I have no interest whatsoever wasting billions of tax dollars on a futile effort. They should just cut their losses and move on.[/QUOTE]

It can be done as long as the proper techonology, particularly strong levees, are in place. The only way the exact same thing will continue to happen is if they rebuild it using the same antiquated technology they had used before.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It can be done as long as the proper techonology, particularly strong levees, are in place. The only way the exact same thing will continue to happen is if they rebuild it using the same antiquated technology they had used before.[/QUOTE]

Just keep telling yourself that. A bad location is a bad location. Period. There's a reason why people don't build in volcano craters and this should be no different. The moment you start thinking that you can beat mother nature with technology alone, you are basically inviting disaster to your doorstop.
 
Wtf is he smoking-- if there's one time in history where it's absolutely necessary to raise taxes, it's this. but I guess he doesn't need our cash, as there are more than enough contractors to bid on New Orleans and the American people aren't as willing to go through with a kickback.

Whatever, let them rebuild it with private money(or I guess public money used by private companies, bleh) and private contracts--- it's all going to be condos, gated communities and faux New Orleans tourist traps, who cares if it gets completely destroyed again. I used to care that the people got their relief money taken away, but I'm now seeing the relocation as a blessing in disguise-- many folks are leaving behind a hopeless culture of poverty and have the opportunity to rebuild their lives elsewhere, possibly with more success.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']they should build it underwater, like the lost city of Atlanta


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Holy shit man, I found Atlanta! and i didn't even have to go underwater!!!!! hell, i found a coke museum there too, and a baseball, footballl, and basketball team!!!! if only i wouldn't have lost the directions, then i could share my discoveries with the rest of the world.
 
Well I think Bush is WAY off in Lala land by now. If now isn't the time to raise taxes WHEN?! Does a city need to be nuked? Me I find this devastating enough.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Personally I see no reason we should rebuild the city at all. Money should be spent to help relocate the people but why rebuild a dump?[/QUOTE]

have you ever been to new orleans? i'm assuming you haven't. it's a beautiful city with so much history, culture and tradition that it would be a huge loss if didn't rebuild.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Personally I see no reason we should rebuild the city at all. Money should be spent to help relocate the people but why rebuild a dump?[/QUOTE]

Because it's a major port. 60% of our exports go through there. If we need an example of how to build levees, we should look at the Netherlands, 25% of their country is below sea level.
 
[quote name='Nogib']Just keep telling yourself that. A bad location is a bad location. Period. There's a reason why people don't build in volcano craters and this should be no different. The moment you start thinking that you can beat mother nature with technology alone, you are basically inviting disaster to your doorstop.[/QUOTE]

The city survived the storm, until the levees broke. There's nothing to stop molten lava, but we can stop water. The fact that it was the antiquated technology that malfunctioned, and not the storm itself, supports my point. As well as what is done in other countries, such as the netherlands which has already been pointed out.
 
[quote name='munch']have you ever been to new orleans? i'm assuming you haven't. it's a beautiful city with so much history, culture and tradition that it would be a huge loss if didn't rebuild.[/QUOTE]

They can put in museums and such--but let's face it-- the intangibles that made New Orleans what it was all got washed away with the storm. Plans to rebuild are centered around complete gentrification, which usually leads to commercialization, which leads to homogenization.....

Personally I see no reason we should rebuild the city at all. Money should be spent to help relocate the people but why rebuild a dump?

WHAT?! that's crazy talk. Relocation is a job for churches, charities, non-profits and all the other groups that don't have money, experience or solid relocation plan :roll:
 
[quote name='Apossum']They can put in museums and such--but let's face it-- the intangibles that made New Orleans what it was all got washed away with the storm. Plans to rebuild are centered around complete gentrification, which usually leads to commercialization, which leads to homogenization..... [/quote]

The french quarter is practically untouched. I've seen many other historical things (like churches and statues) that still remain relatively untouched. I'm not sure about everything, but most of the tourist and money making historical things are still there.
 
doesn't change the fact that, so far, their plans to rebuild don't necessarily include the people who used to live there.
 
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