Bush's Deepening Divide

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I thought this article really added some context to the Katrina arguments occurring on this forum right now.

Let me know what you folks think.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005090601687.html


By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; A19



When terrorists struck on Sept. 11, 2001, Americans came together in grief and resolve, rallying behind President Bush in an extraordinary show of national unity. But when Hurricane Katrina hit last week, the opposite occurred, with Americans dividing along sharply partisan lines in their judgment of the president's and the federal government's response.

The starkly different verdicts on Bush's stewardship of the two biggest crises of his presidency underscore the deepening polarization of the electorate that has occurred on his watch. This gaping divide has left the president with no reservoir of good will among his political opponents at a critical moment of national need and has touched off a fresh debate about whether he could have done anything to prevent it.

To his critics, Bush is now reaping what he has sown. Their case against him goes as follows: Facing a divided nation, the president has eschewed unity in both his governing strategy and his political blueprint. These opponents argue that he has favored confrontation over conciliation with the Democrats while favoring a set of policies aimed at deepening support among his conservative base at the expense of ideas that might produce bipartisan consensus and broader approval among the voters. His allies and advisers, while acknowledging that polarization has worsened during the past five years, say the opposition party bears the brunt of responsibility. Democrats, by this reckoning, have rebuffed Bush's efforts at bipartisanship, put up a wall to ideas that once enjoyed some support on their side, and, even in the current crisis along the Gulf Coast, are seeking to score political points rather than joining hands with the president to speed the recovery and relief to the victims.

Wherever reality lies between these mutual recriminations, the path from post-9/11 unity to the rancor and finger-pointing in the aftermath of Katrina's fury charts a clear deterioration in political consensus in the United States and a growing willingness to interpret events through a partisan prism. It is a problem that now appears destined to follow Bush through the final years of his presidency -- a clear failure of his 2000 campaign promise to be a "uniter, not a divider."

A Washington Post-ABC News poll taken last Friday illustrates the point vividly. Just 17 percent of Democrats said they approved of the way Bush was handling the Katrina crisis while 74 percent of Republicans said they approved. About two in three Republicans rated the federal government's response as good or excellent, while two in three Democrats rated it not so good or poor.

"Bush is the most partisan president in modern American history," said William Galston, a professor at the University of Maryland and previously a top domestic adviser to former President Bill Clinton. "As a result, voters in both parties are focusing on him, rather than on the specifics of the policies."
 
The resolve the Democrats showed after 9-11 was gone by February of 2002. Once they realized they had given legitimacy to someone they accused of being selected to be President at best or stole it at worst they did a 180 and questioning leadership, even sound leadership, became how they defined patriotism.

If you want a clear example of the divide look at what happened to Tom Daschle. Gone, defeated, nothing more now than a lobbyist. What state as dependent on federal monies for farms, military bases etc. throws out a party leader? How bad must he have really been for that to have happened? If you want to take that further look at the mid-terms in 2002 more lost House and Senate seats for the Democrats. Presidential election year? Lost the White House bid and lost more House and Senate seats. $1 billion in advertising spending by the DNC, moveon.org, any number of liberal leaning 527's, singers, actors etc. railing against Bush got them 4 electoral votes over 2000.

The left has imploded. They are beside themselves with grief and a complete lack of understanding of why no one trusts them, believes them and votes for them. Their message lacks coherent strategy except for one thing "HATE BUSH". There is no vision, no alternative ideas put forward. It's nothing but criticize, condemn, belittle and complain from the disloyal opposition.

Every single event now must have political spin attached to it. Before it stopped raining in New Orleans? Bush is to blame, we should have ratified Kyoto. After it rained? Bush is to blame people are drowning. You can't come up with one major event in the last 4 years where Democrats have come forward with any viable alternatives to proposed leadership. They have one mantra, blame Bush.

Supreme Court vacancy? The guy sucks, no matter who it may be is nominated and must be stopped. Why? Bush nominated him. Next vacancy after Chief Justice? He or she will most definitely suck. If it's a black, latino or woman? Uncle Tom, doesn't represent the "true" latino community and not representative of women in this country. You know the mantra before it even begins.

Recently I read a position paper from the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) that I swear Ronald Reagan could have written. Of course now the DLC is shunned by those that control the purse strings of the DNC. You know, the Michael Moore, moveon.org, militant **INSERT LEFTIST CAUSE HERE***'s. If you go back and read speeches from JFK you'll see he was a supply sider that believed cutting taxes to stimulate the economy. My how times and things have changed on that topic alone.

While there are millions of traditional and Reagan Democrats their voice is no longer heard. They have been marginalized in their own party to the moonbat fringe. There are so few traditional Democrats that Joe Lieberman, you remember Gore's running mate, is now considered a DINO and practically a traitor by that same fringe.

Liberals are at their funniest when they're out of power. They will say and do anything to get it back. The MSM will go along with them every step of the way regardless of crashing and burning ratings and circulation. Until they can come up with anything beyond blame Bush, who will never run for anything again ever, they won't go anywhere. Howard Dean made the mistake of running against Rush Limbaugh in 2004 (The flag does not belong to Rush Limbaugh was a staple of his stump speeches.) and he wasn't even on the ballot. Democrats are making the same mistake on a grander scale now; running against someone constantly that won't ever be on a ballot again.

When the Republicans successfully nationalized Congressional elections in 1994 they didn't do it by opposing Hillarycare. They did it by presenting the Contract With America and they swept in 70 something House freshmen. Until there is a competing thought and ideal capable of grabbing and holding the American populations mind there will be no victory on for the Democrats.

You don't win on doom, gloom and blame.
 
Bush is to blame, we should have ratified Kyoto.......

You can't come up with one major event in the last 4 years where Democrats have come forward with any viable alternatives to proposed leadership.

Isn't ratifying and adopting the environmental policies of kyoto an alternative?
 
No. It isn't. The Democrats don't think so either. That's why it was voted down for ratification by the Senate 95-0 when Clinton was President.

On June 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was to be negotiated, the U.S. Senate passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98), which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Aware of the Senate's view of the protocol, the Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol for ratification.
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The resolve the Democrats showed after 9-11 was gone by February of 2002. Once they realized they had given legitimacy to someone they accused of being selected to be President at best or stole it at worst they did a 180 and questioning leadership, even sound leadership, became how they defined patriotism.

If you want a clear example of the divide look at what happened to Tom Daschle. Gone, defeated, nothing more now than a lobbyist. What state as dependent on federal monies for farms, military bases etc. throws out a party leader? How bad must he have really been for that to have happened? If you want to take that further look at the mid-terms in 2002 more lost House and Senate seats for the Democrats. Presidential election year? Lost the White House bid and lost more House and Senate seats. $1 billion in advertising spending by the DNC, moveon.org, any number of liberal leaning 527's, singers, actors etc. railing against Bush got them 4 electoral votes over 2000.

The left has imploded. They are beside themselves with grief and a complete lack of understanding of why no one trusts them, believes them and votes for them. Their message lacks coherent strategy except for one thing "HATE BUSH". There is no vision, no alternative ideas put forward. It's nothing but criticize, condemn, belittle and complain from the disloyal opposition.

Every single event now must have political spin attached to it. Before it stopped raining in New Orleans? Bush is to blame, we should have ratified Kyoto. After it rained? Bush is to blame people are drowning. You can't come up with one major event in the last 4 years where Democrats have come forward with any viable alternatives to proposed leadership. They have one mantra, blame Bush.

Supreme Court vacancy? The guy sucks, no matter who it may be is nominated and must be stopped. Why? Bush nominated him. Next vacancy after Chief Justice? He or she will most definitely suck. If it's a black, latino or woman? Uncle Tom, doesn't represent the "true" latino community and not representative of women in this country. You know the mantra before it even begins.

Recently I read a position paper from the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) that I swear Ronald Reagan could have written. Of course now the DLC is shunned by those that control the purse strings of the DNC. You know, the Michael Moore, moveon.org, militant **INSERT LEFTIST CAUSE HERE***'s. If you go back and read speeches from JFK you'll see he was a supply sider that believed cutting taxes to stimulate the economy. My how times and things have changed on that topic alone.

While there are millions of traditional and Reagan Democrats their voice is no longer heard. They have been marginalized in their own party to the moonbat fringe. There are so few traditional Democrats that Joe Lieberman, you remember Gore's running mate, is now considered a DINO and practically a traitor by that same fringe.

Liberals are at their funniest when they're out of power. They will say and do anything to get it back. The MSM will go along with them every step of the way regardless of crashing and burning ratings and circulation. Until they can come up with anything beyond blame Bush, who will never run for anything again ever, they won't go anywhere. Howard Dean made the mistake of running against Rush Limbaugh in 2004 (The flag does not belong to Rush Limbaugh was a staple of his stump speeches.) and he wasn't even on the ballot. Democrats are making the same mistake on a grander scale now; running against someone constantly that won't ever be on a ballot again.

When the Republicans successfully nationalized Congressional elections in 1994 they didn't do it by opposing Hillarycare. They did it by presenting the Contract With America and they swept in 70 something House freshmen. Until there is a competing thought and ideal capable of grabbing and holding the American populations mind there will be no victory on for the Democrats.

You don't win on doom, gloom and blame.[/QUOTE]



Good gawd PAD what a pile of shit that was. House gains in 2002 were the result of redistricting. Period . Nothing says no vision, no plan than "let's change the rules to make it easier for our guys to win". The rest of your marginal victory was built on phony terror alerts, phantom enemies, attacking war heroes, and outright lies. If you think the GOP won on ideas, think again. Kerry had ideas..his healthcare plan was downright brillant, Bush's plan..Duh..more of the same. Because you lack to capacity to check out any idea not on the GOP platform, doesn't mean they don't exist, slappy.

For every Democrat that you say is abandoned by the party, I can find an equal number of conservatives who wonder what the fuck is wrong with theirs. Unfortunately, morons like you hold keeping the power in higher regard than principles. Remember that Contract with America? Torn up by the greed of Delay & Co. Yet you defend that piece of crap and fall back on the "it's a liberal conspiracy" bullcrap.

I always laugh at conservative knuckleheads obsession with the democratic party. You've been saying it is dead since 1994. Yet more people voted for dems in 2004 than ever before. In fact, more people voted for dems overall than republicans in the last election. Granted you piled enough people in minivans where it counted, but no one was impressed, nothing was mandated. And it was the last you Bush had over 50% support for anything. With a string of failures and sinking public opinion, I would spend some time on your own.

There is some much hypocrisy in your whining it is laughable.

Running against people not on the ballot? - You are still running against Clinton. Still running against the MSM. Still running against Moore and Moveon.org

Every event having a political spin; we have Bush to thank - Bush et all milked 9/11 for all it's worth. The speed at which Bush responds to natural disaster seems to depend on whether an election is near.

Dems only controlled by the fringe? Please. The American Tailban wing of the GOP controls puts your head on the chopping block, if you so much as mention "stem-cells" without the accompanying "baby killer". Just ask Bill First- the darling of Justice Sunday I/ the pariah of Justice Sunday II.

The Democrats have always been a coalition party. That's price we pay for allowing our people to think on their own.
 
They are a coalition party. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Coalition that consists of socialists, abortionists, eco-communists (They like to be called environmentalists.), pacifists, blame America firsters, nanny state enthusiasts (AKA poverty pimps.), race baiters and illegal immigrant rights activists. That's one damn big coalition!

Oh and how dare I forget the trial lawyers.
 
The following is one of the best articles i've read (I'm not usually a fox news reader) but this guy brings up the best point.

When the Catastrophe Is Government

Wednesday, September 07, 2005

By Radley Balko

In a few days, we'll observe the fourth anniversary of Sept. 11, at the time the most catastrophic failure of our government in my lifetime.

What's odd is that just after our government failed in its duty to protect us, the public's faith in the president, the Congress, and government in general soared. Congress indemnified the airlines and private security firms for their failures — in effect removing any market punishment for them — and put airport security under federal control (with predictable results).

Our elected officials responded to the bureaucratic failings of our various intelligence agencies by creating the Department of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy we've ever seen. Federal spending skyrocketed. We created new cabinet-level positions. We handed over a number of our civil liberties, because our government told us doing so was necessary to protect our freedom.

Sept. 11 is no longer the most catastrophic failure of government in my lifetime. Its response to Hurricane Katrina is. Government at all levels, run by both parties, regardless of race, inexcusably failed to secure the safety of the people of New Orleans. The lesson here is not the failure of one party or the other. The lesson here is the failure of government.

Despite decades of knowing what a Category 4 or 5 hurricane could do to New Orleans, for example, local officials failed to have an adequate evacuation plan in place. The dispossessed were shuffled off to the Superdome with no security, and little food or water. There was no effort at organization, dissemination of information, or order. The state government failed to amass state resources to aid in the evacuation of people with no means to get out. Inexcusably, both state and local officials made the exact same mistakes they made in response to Hurricane Ivan, just a year earlier. And they'd made similar mistakes in 1998, with Hurricane Georges.

The federal government's shortcomings have been widely reported. They include the symbolic: After the storm hit, President Bush strummed a guitar at a fundraiser, invoking comparisons to Nero. He couldn't cut the last few days of his five-week vacation. Vice President Cheney returned from his vacation six days after the storm hit.

They include cronyism: FEMA Director Michael Brown was brought into the organization after having been fired from his previous job directing horse shows. He had no emergency management experience, and seems to have been hired because he was the college buddy of President Bush's pal Joe Allbaugh (who now runs a firm that consults companies on how to win contracts from FEMA and other federal agencies).

And of course they include incompetence: The inexcusable ignorance of FEMA and DHS officials about events that had been in the news for days. And have a look at this chart. It's the power structure of the federal government's emergency response system. Is it any wonder why it took days to get help to people stranded in floodwaters?

Much of that chart was in direct response to Sept. 11. And many of the changes in response to Sept. 11 — including moving FEMA under the auspices of DHS — exacerbated the government failure last week. If after four years of preparation, this is the DHS response to a disaster that was foreseeable for years, and that it had days to prepare for, one shudders to think how the agency will respond to a surprise terrorist attack.

The Army Corps of Engineers began the task of shoring up Lake Ponchartrain decades ago. Administrations and Congresses controlled by both parties had ample opportunity to ensure the task was completed. They had other priorities. When the federal government took over the responsibility to protect New Orleans, it effectively shut out any private or local efforts that may have emerged to upgrade the levee system.

If a consortium of corporations and businesses with assets in New Orleans had gotten together in the 1960s and hired a private firm to protect their investments from a flood, the project would have been completed in a matter of years, at most. Don't believe me? Look at the past week. Private ingenuity has flourished where government response has failed.

By Wednesday of last week, the Hyatt company had sent food and supplies from its Atlanta and Houston hotels to its hotel in New Orleans. The New Orleans Hyatt is less than half a mile from the convention center, an area of the city local and federal government officials said was inaccessible. Oil companies had sent crews in to begin repairs of rigs and refineries on Monday. Television reporters, news crews, even Harry Connick, Jr. managed to navigate through a city the government said was too perilous for relief efforts.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune noted that by Thursday, WalMart had delivered thirteen trucks of supplies while government bureaucrats were still ringing their hands. By the time the federal government finally marched into New Orleans, the Red Cross had sheltered over 130,000 people, and delivered more than 2.5 million meals. By the time military brigades began rescuing people from rooftops, ordinary citizens had saved thousands with private boats.

While government bureaucrats dawdled, politicians covered their rumps, and partisans played the blame game, civil society — private entities — got to the business of helping people. What's worse, in some cases, government prevented the private dissemination of aid. Wal-Mart had three water trucks in New Orleans almost immediately after the hurricane hit. FEMA turned them away. The Red Cross reported on its website that federal and local officials had barred the organization from actually entering New Orleans. Same with the Salvation Army.

One doctor told the Associated Press, "There are entire hospitals that are contacting me, saying, 'We need to take on patients,' but they can't get through the bureaucracy. The crime of this story is, you've got millions of dollars in assets and it's not deployed. We mount a better response in a Third World country."

There should certainly be accountability here. The bureaucrats who failed should be fired. The political appointees who didn't live up to their responsibilities should be dismissed. And one can only hope that the negligent politicians will be punished at the ballot box. But more fundamentally, we need to recognize that this is not so much a failure of individuals as it was a fundamental failure of government — at its most basic and important responsibility, no less. The last time government failed on so large a scale, we reinvigorated our trust in that same government to protect us. We do so again at our peril.

Last week, a blogger named Nicholas Weininger put it best, in words I wish I had written. Observing the tales of individual heroism, private initiative, and generosity coming out of the hurricane-damaged areas, Weininger wrote:

"Rarely has it been so clear how much we, the ordinary people of this country, are better than our rulers. I hope that lesson is not lost on anyone, of any political persuasion."

Radley Balko maintains the The Agitator weblog.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']No. It isn't. The Democrats don't think so either. That's why it was voted down for ratification by the Senate 95-0 when Clinton was President.

On June 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was to be negotiated, the U.S. Senate passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98), which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Aware of the Senate's view of the protocol, the Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol for ratification.
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Good response. Most people who favor Kyoto know very little about it and its history. They fail to realize that not only would it decimate the U.S. economy, but it would do very little to stop global warming even if it were implemented since the increases in pollution into the future are going to be coming mainly from countries like China, which are exempted from Kyoto's targets.
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer']The following is one of the best articles i've read (I'm not usually a fox news reader) but this guy brings up the best point.[/QUOTE]

Just the usual Republican spin points, though better presented than normal. The real problem isn't that Bush appointed incompetent people. The real problem isn't that Bush decided that a couple more days of vacation was more important that going back to Washington and doing his job, you know, running the country. No, when you get down to it, the REAL problem is vague, unidentified 'bureaucracy'. The solution to that problem is quite clear - tax cuts all around!

A massive, MASSIVE part of the disaster that happened in NO is the good old Republican standby, privitization. They farmed out responsibility for coming up with a disaster preparedness plan to a private company, who, as far as anyone can tell, hasn't done jack shit. Since Bush has taken office, FEMA has dumped most of the responsibility for disaster planning and response on local goverment, instead of having a strong centralized source for dealing with emergencies. They've dumped as much of the responsibility for dealing with evacuees as they possibly can on private charities. And now that privatization of emergency response has failed, what needs to be done is clear - privatize it more, right?

More and more, I'm beginning to think that there's a major problem with Conservatism that's rooted deeply in the very basis of what conservatism is: namely, once they've gotten an idea stuck in their head, its impossible for them to let it go. When something fails for someone with a liberal mindset, its no big deal - try something else. When something fails for someone with a conservative mindset, though, they seem to get stuck in a never-ending loop of failure. Trickle-down economics didn't work for Reagan, but Bush decided to try it again. It failed AGAIN, but apparently the solution is more and bigger tax cuts.

Similarly, Republicans have gotten it stuck in their head that privatization is the solution to all problems. And don't get me wrong - its not inherently bad. In moderation. With careful thought and planning. There are some things that can't and shouldn't be privatized, and the core function of the goverment (protecting and defending its citizens) are right up there at the top of the list.

Ok, I'm just rambling now :)
 
Well, there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of conservatism that almost draws people *TO* conservatism after all of this: you sure as shit can't count on the federal government to do a damn thing to help you.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, there is a self-fulfilling prophecy of conservatism that almost draws people *TO* conservatism after all of this: you sure as shit can't count on the federal government to do a damn thing to help you.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that modern American conservatism stands for small government?

I wish.
 
I would say that the ideology alleges favortism for limited government (in terms or both size and power). But the ideology, as we know, gets thrown away with party hats and noisemakers the day after elections.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I would say that the ideology alleges favortism for limited government (in terms or both size and power). But the ideology, as we know, gets thrown away with party hats and noisemakers the day after elections.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, that's true of both parties, and all around. It might be a limitation of our governmental system, because of the forced election timelines. I wonder how much better we would be if we could institute "Votes of No Confidence".
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']They are a coalition party. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Coalition that consists of socialists, abortionists, eco-communists (They like to be called environmentalists.), pacifists, blame America firsters, nanny state enthusiasts (AKA poverty pimps.), race baiters and illegal immigrant rights activists. That's one damn big coalition!

Oh and how dare I forget the trial lawyers.[/QUOTE]

Republicans are a coalition of fascists, woman haters, environmental terrorists, war mongers, bomb muslims firsters, corporate state enthusiasts, klansmen and ethnocentrics. See, I can be a dumbass too!:D
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Republicans are a coalition of fascists, woman haters, environmental terrorists, war mongers, bomb muslims firsters, corporate state enthusiasts, klansmen and ethnocentrics. See, I can be a dumbass too!:D[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately the list I put together is far more accurate.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Republicans are a coalition of fascists, woman haters, environmental terrorists, war mongers, bomb muslims firsters, corporate state enthusiasts, klansmen and ethnocentrics. See, I can be a dumbass too!:D[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']You don't win on doom, gloom and blame.[/QUOTE]
That was Bush's entire 2004 platform. Terrorists would attack us if we voted for Kerry.
 
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