CAG Star Trek Online Fleet/game discussion thread

hehe I haven't talked to him in forever! I occasionally see the "online" thing but he's usually radio silence. He's definitely an "all in" kind of guy. It's a good thing I don't have much love for the galor, otherwise I'd probably be pitching money into the abyss while cursing all things living and dead.
 
I thought it was definitely the best out of this series, although the bar has been pretty low. There were a lot of good ideas that went into it but the execution was lacking.

I was really looking forward to the spacewalk and in general I enjoyed it. The EVA suit was cool and the audio really added to the atmosphere (no pun intended) of walking around in space. I wish it hadn't boiled down to connect-the-dots, gameplay-wise. It would have been cool to see some zero-G environmental puzzles a la Dead Space, although I'm guessing the engine wasn't designed for it.

Inside DS9 felt like it had potential to be a fun stealth mission, although at one point I couldn't get past the guards and had to start shooting. I didn't try shrouding, though--was anyone able to get to Ops undetected?

I couldn't help but feel that the Enterprise's big entrance at the end was diminished by the game already being full of Odysseys for weeks (also by the fact that I saw it limping around at about 20% hull after the battle). I know it was to sync up with the anniversary event, but if they had delayed its in-game appearance until this episode, it would have been that much better. Still, I couldn't help but grin a little seeing "USS Enterprise" among the allied ships, and the battle itself was fun.

I'd like to go back and pick up some of the rewards I missed and try some of the alternate paths, but ugh. The first couple missions were such busywork. And then there's my alts...

Hoping the next featured series is back up to the level of the Devidians/Cloaked Intentions.
 
we should try getting together and try to grind through some of those missions for the accos and whatnot to lower the feeling of blah
 
I'd be down. I'll probably take my alts through it this weekend so they can get the shard, and then at some point I want to stock up on phased polaron stuff. That's less urgent, though.
 
The final mission of the series didn't impress me all that much.

Walking outside was fun and all for the first but in the end just another cheap gimmick. Especially since it was hyped up beyond proportion, and the views of the EVA scenes in the F2P trailer were totally misleading as far as the cinematic effect of the sequence (in the trailer, you are shown EVAing outside DS9 with an epic raging battle going on overhead. In the game, you get a cheesy noninteractive cutscene with a single BoP attacking the station).

The actual playthrough of the mission was again pretty bread and butter stuff. Do some little tricks outside DS9, get inside, kill X mobs, go back to space and fight in a totally unbalanced battle with a terrible spawn point.

I could see the final space battle being funner/more epic with a fleet or team of people, but alone I just died over and over a few times until I could thin down the numbers a little. I guess it was a little refreshing to have my totally OP STF escort meet some kind of challenge in PvE but at the same time the challenge was just "arbitrarily hard" instead of quality gameplay design. It probably didn't help that I forgot to swap out my electroceramic consoles for parametallic ones though :).

I think my favorite in the series in terms of overall "I'm impressed" impact was the one where we went to Bajor. The ground map there was done well, with ambience, detail, and scope. Even though the mission itself was boring to some, it felt somewhat Trekky, and I thought it was the most immersive of the series. It's a shame we're in for another probably 8 months of waiting until we see another FE

What really gets to me though is the cutscenes. The cutscenes in this game are so badly written, animated, and voiced that it actually pulls me out of the game and detracts from my immersion. They look and feel like cutscenes did over 10 years ago. Heck, the cutscenes in metal gear solid 1 14 years ago had way more impact than this.

Also disappointing was the fact that significant portions of these missions were clearly rushed to completion in the final week before they were released on Holodeck. That's why there are no class-specific accolades or accolades of any kind on the last 2 missions. In fact they are going to go back and update the 4th mission later on to include accolades and class-specific objectives. Epic fail. All of this only begs the question, if most of the work on these missions gets done in the last week before release, why can the team not produce more than 2 series per year? And why did this take 11 months?

IMHO it's a no-win for Cryptic here. Either they are just so incompetent that they can't put together an FE in a whole year's worth of development time, or they have flat out lied to us about the development and progression of the FE series. On the one hand, you're now playing a game from a company who demonstrably cannot produce a quality product, even after extended delays. On the other hand, you are patronizing a company who has no qualms about outright lying to its customer base. The truth is probably a healthy bit of both.

I guess it's one thing to spend your money with a competent company who is unethical (say EA or Capcom), or an ethical company who is not very competent, but to spend it with an incompetent and unethical company? Why? Cryptic not only takes your money, but spits in your face while doing it, and hands you a shoddy and broken product to boot.

P.S. stay off the STO wiki (or any Curse Network site) for now, or at least do a careful scan of your computer for spyware/malware. Word going around is that the STO wiki has some kind of keylogger trojan/flash component that has resulted in numerous STO players being hacked.

See:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=260629
 
Hate to add more fuel to the fire but I just learned about this today. Apparently if you download the STO client from Cryptic, it uses something called "Pando Media Booster" to download and install the game files. No big deal, except after it's done, Pando continues to be installed and constantly runs on your machine, turning it into an P2P zombie uploader for others to download STO. This consumes your upload bandwidth, increasing your data usage (possibly incurring overage fees on your internet bill) and reducing performance in other applications.. You can disable/uninstall the Pando client after you install STO with no effect for gameplay, but I think it is really poor practice and really shady for them to do something like this. Having not installed the game as a new F2P player, I don't know how clearly this fact is disclosed to downloaders.

Update: there has also been suggestion that Pando may silently reinstall itself with major game updates, so I guess even if you uninstall it once, there's no guarantee it won't come back. This is an excellent example of what kind of company PWE/Cryptic are.

If you use Steam to install and run STO, it apparently does not install the Pando Media Booster.

I checked my computer and am clean since I downloaded and installed STO before it went F2P (I think the Pando thing started when PWE took over), but if you are a newcomer to STO, I would suggest looking to see if Pando is installed or running on your computer, and disabling/uninstalling it if it is. In fact, I woudl suggest EVERYONE who has or has ever had STO installed on their computer to check for Pando just in case. You can't be too careful.

I've added this to the OP Wiki post to help spread awareness.

On a more positive note, I finally completed my Mk XII ground STF set. In fact I got the last piece of Proto tech for the set on my first STF run of the day (and the first in about a week). I ran Cure Ground and got the proto tech, then ran a Cure Space right after and got the Proto tech drop from that too! 2 cure runs, 2 proto drops. That almost makes up for the 300+ STF runs I had to do to get my Mk XII set... well no it doesn't. But at least I have the set now. The sad thing is, now that the FE series is over and I got the set, my desire to run STFs, or continue to play the game, have dropped to nearly zero.
 
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haha so I have a dilemma... I just bought a ssd and installed it. By doing so, I now have a clean install with no STO. Should I even bother reinstalling it? hmm...
 
Don't forget you're also missing out on the fantastic new dilithium mining daily mission!!! Yes, dilithium mining, an activity so boring and hazardous that it was used as a form of punishment by the Klingons, and Starfleet deployed holographic humanoids to do their dirty work, is now supposed to be a major pastime of high ranking Vice Admirals and Generals across the galaxy!

And for the low, low, price of 350,000 dilithium (~1300CP at current exchange rates) you too can be the proud new owner of a steel grey EVA suit with which to mine dilithium with!!! Get yours now while stocks last!
 
There is a free trible this weekend. It gives you a team buff and can stack with other team buff tribbles. Its to celebrate the EU re-launch of the game.
 
So it seems that accounts are being hacked left and right in STO. There seems to be some rather obvious security flaws that hackers are exploiting for tidy profits. A raid fleet I run with had over 700m taken from their coffers a little while ago. It seems the universe is telling me to pull the ripcord on my STO adventure...

Anyway, keep an eye out for your and other CAG mates' stuff.
 
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Looks like the CAG bank is still good, although I think there are only like 3 of us who ever get on. Although it might be prudent to up the bank withdraw restrictions temporarily?

A major reason behind the recent hackings was a flash-based keylogger that was running on the STOWiki website. Supposedly it has been fixed now but since it was a keylogger, anything you typed (including things other than your STO login) could be at risk too.

Another good reason I don't bother even installing flash on my computers anymore.
 
I enjoyed the game when it first came out and even for a few months afterward but then it just became a grind to do much of anything. Most of the group was on when I wasn't so I just went solo on items when I could find time to login. I've got in a couple times in the past few months. Played for a few hours then logged back off. Don't really have the drive to continue playing. I've debated starting over with a new character but I just don't want to deal with the same grind as before.
 
[quote name='soulvengeance']I feel sad for this game, I actually really liked it a lot, we had a good group early on, but then people started dropping off like flies.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='JP']I enjoyed the game when it first came out and even for a few months afterward but then it just became a grind to do much of anything. Most of the group was on when I wasn't so I just went solo on items when I could find time to login. I've got in a couple times in the past few months. Played for a few hours then logged back off. Don't really have the drive to continue playing. I've debated starting over with a new character but I just don't want to deal with the same grind as before.[/QUOTE]


I was so stoked about this game when it was first announced but it went thru so many changes before launch... I really hated the micro transaction system for new ships and characters. It would have been better if they just left it alone with an expansion pack of say the Gamma or Delta quadrant with the ability to play the dominion or romulans. I can log in and play for a bit but I get bored fast because there isn't much to do after level 50 except play those episodes.
 
Good lord. I mean, STO has gone from a mediocre, but semi-salvageable game to one that is deliberately going out of its way to be one of the biggest piles of fail ever witnessed in computer games history.

The 3rd lockbox scam in 4 months just started, this time with "Lobi crystals"... of which you get an average ~2.5 per opened lockbox (it costs $1.25 to open each box). You use the crystals to buy things from the "Lobi store"... cosmetic fluff like ferengi skirts cost 200 Lobi crystals (average cost of ~$100) and a ferengi shuttlepod for 800 lobi crystals (average cost of ~$400). One employee of Cryptic even publicly tweeted his surprise and disbelief at the prices in the lobi store.

I guess on the one hand, they should be praised for "accurately simulating" the experience of dealing with ferengi... but on the other hand... well... *shakes head*

People should almost go try this game just to experience truly how terrible games can be, kind of like how you watch a really, really bad movie just to see how bad it really is. This game (and development studio) are rapidly distinguishing themselves as being truly unique in their ineptitude and failure. Rare will you encounter a disaster this epic in magnitude... you may as well experience it while you can, and make every game you have ever played seem that much better in comparison, now that you know that a truly bad game is like.

Really- EA, Capcom, and Activision have nothing on Cryptic and PWE. They may be shitty, bloodsucking leeches of companies but at least some of their games are good.
 
I'm like ITDEFX in that, as an ST fan, I really wanted this to be a good title. But it wasn't satisfying from the start, the story was ridiculous and the RP element (which is important to me as a ST fan) was wrecked beyond measure, they kept referring to recognizable TNG characters again and again and again. So disappointing from a narrative and RP perspective.

I guess that's where SWTOR trumped it, in that the single-player element is supposedly satisfying for SW fans. I really, really wish we could've had that for ST, as that would have been good stuff.

It's too bad it didn't last, but boy was the writing on the wall. And it was *bad* writing at that. I'm surprised it's gone this long through the hacking and the Del Taco shuttles and whatever else. Every time I thought about checking in after my initial foray, I'd read this thread and forget about that idea entirely.

So I guess it's possible that it got better, CAGs were just so consistently down on the game outside of how cool their ships looked. And I didn't want a ship to begin with, nor did I give a damn about the borg, I just wanted to be some guy in engineering, or a science officer, or a redshirt abandoned on an unknown world. I know the MMO business is tough, though, and it's hard to sustain a system that can support episodic narrative content. Everyone wants instances and endgame.
 
MMOs are like women. No matter how good it starts they'll always break your heart in the end. SWTOR seems to be pissing people off already too. I think I'm done with MMOs now.
 
Hey guys, Fleets are live. I'd like to start some projects but it looks like I don't have rights to start and it looks like no one has rights to donate.

Any Admiral rank Fleet members willing to give me the reigns of the fleet and drive for a bit?
 
Wow, stealth season 6 update! (Actually, ever since they changed the forums, it broke my news feed and I never remember to check in manually. :cry:)

I was going to ask if you wanted to be a fleet leader since you seem to be on the most, so yeah. I'll put in your name for promotion the first chance I get. ;)

I haven't been reading up on the fleet mechanics too much, but it sounds kind of cool. I don't suppose it's likely we'll ever get enough people online to try out the missions, though.
 
This game still hanging on? Haven't looked at it since april/may when I decided my time was better spent playing quality titles :)

But I could log back in and check out new stuff if you wanted to get a group together to try fleet stuff out.

After all, I have free access and 400 points a month (do we still get that or did they take that away too) until the game dies...
 
Oh dear god. Our first fleet project just completed (thanks to Kingdox for contributing the majority of resources) and I thought that would net us our first starbase upgrade, but I looked it up and we're actually 1/10 of the way there. :hot: This comes as no surprise, but all this is probably beyond the scope of our fleet.

Anyway, the new fleet dailies are kind of fun. There's a little more to them than the usual "kill 5 of everything" missions, although not enough that I don't see them getting repetitive pretty quickly (just like the other dailies).

Oh well. I really dig the communal aspect of the starbase projects, but the system is geared much more towards large, active fleets.
 
I've been back semi-regularly since Season 7 came out. The new reputation stuff is interesting (although mostly grindy), and the redesigned STFs are actually manageable instead of being all-day affairs. They're pretty fun this way. (These changed a while ago but I just recently got into them.)

KingDox has done an incredible job of building up the starbase, but I believe he's left the fleet. (I can't blame him since grinding the starbase solo is pretty much impossible.)

I'm about to hop on to check out the 3 year event... gotta get that Ambassador! And yeah, ITDEFX, not a whole lot of reason to subscribe unless you're really hardcore into it.
 
Well I was just doing that DS9 mission where you have to convince reps from other worlds to join your fight against the borg...I kinda screwed up and didn't get the cardassians or another race to join us. oops did I screw up?
 
So, I still only have a Cryptic account. I try to convert it to a PWE and it says my email address is already registered. Try to recover it, and it says there is no account associated with that email address. What the hell.
 
[quote name='metaly']I've been back semi-regularly since Season 7 came out. The new reputation stuff is interesting (although mostly grindy), and the redesigned STFs are actually manageable instead of being all-day affairs. They're pretty fun this way. (These changed a while ago but I just recently got into them.)

KingDox has done an incredible job of building up the starbase, but I believe he's left the fleet. (I can't blame him since grinding the starbase solo is pretty much impossible.)

I'm about to hop on to check out the 3 year event... gotta get that Ambassador! And yeah, ITDEFX, not a whole lot of reason to subscribe unless you're really hardcore into it.[/QUOTE]

I don't know where you guys were hanging out but I could never find most of you when EastX was running the show. Is level 50 the cap still?
 
have they released any more actual content for this game yet? That DS9 featured episode series was released like a year ago...

Wonder how many cryptic points/zen/whatever I have now. Supposed to get some every month, haven't logged on since like last March. I saw that they devalued everyone's points by 25% a while back, and screwed around with the dilithium exchange too. Maybe I almost have enough to buy a uniform pack now lol.

Edit: looked it up. Yep. Not a single new featured episode series released since last february. That was a year ago.
 
wait what? Then what's season 7 they are promoting?

My modified defiant (with that remain crap on it) looks like it packs more of a punch than before.
 
Looks like Season 7 just has some more goals to grind for (reputation system) and small tweaks. I didn't see where they added any substantive mission content period in the last 12 months.

But I have not kept up with STO at all in the past 8-10 months. Maybe there was some new mission stuff released in the interim, but from what it looks like, Cryptic has somehow suckered players into both being totally responsible for creating their own mission content to play AND paying for the privilege to do so at the same time.
 
[quote name='Ruahrc']Wonder how many cryptic points/zen/whatever I have now. Supposed to get some every month, haven't logged on since like last March. I saw that they devalued everyone's points by 25% a while back, and screwed around with the dilithium exchange too. Maybe I almost have enough to buy a uniform pack now lol.[/QUOTE]

When they switched from Cryptic Points to Zen, all the sticker prices went up (because 100 Zen = $1.00, whereas 100 CPoints = $1.25) but they bumped up everyone's point balance as well. They didn't devalue anything.


[quote name='ITDEFX']wait what? Then what's season 7 they are promoting?[/QUOTE]

Season 7 is mainly the New Romulus adventure zone and reputation system, which has a bunch of grindy progression missions but some story content as well. I forgot to mention in my earlier post that the STF/Omega stuff has its own reputation progression as well, which is great--you've probably heard horror stories about people playing hundreds of STFs to get the random drops needed to requisition elite equipment. With the Omega reputation system, now it's just a matter of earning enough marks.
 
[quote name='metaly']I've been back semi-regularly since Season 7 came out. The new reputation stuff is interesting (although mostly grindy), and the redesigned STFs are actually manageable instead of being all-day affairs. They're pretty fun this way. (These changed a while ago but I just recently got into them.)

KingDox has done an incredible job of building up the starbase, but I believe he's left the fleet. (I can't blame him since grinding the starbase solo is pretty much impossible.)

I'm about to hop on to check out the 3 year event... gotta get that Ambassador! And yeah, ITDEFX, not a whole lot of reason to subscribe unless you're really hardcore into it.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Metaly, my main toon joined Redit's fleet. But I still have alts in CAG fleet.

Season 7 pretty much crushed the delithium market and starbase requirements really ramp up after tier 1.

The 3rd year anniversary does have one new story episodes. And its honestly one of the best episodes in the whole game. And it gives you a free ship from now until the 14th.

I say load up your STO client, play the mission then see if you still feel like playing. The rumor is season 8s will finally release the Romulans as playable. The devs say the update is so large they arn't even going to call it "season 8" and it will have a new name near its march release.
 
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I just downloaded this game for the first time yesterday, I played past the first two missions as a Vulcan. Went to destroy some borg mines then landed on a planet.

I lost interest after about 30 minutes of play. Not sure why, just there was absolutely no one else to play with at the start of the game. It was a completely solo experience. I saw other ships around flying and destroying borg mines.

just seems like another grinding mmo. I joined to see what all the 3 year fuss stuff is about but with no one to play with, I'm kinda just bored and probably will uninstall. I'll give it a go over the weekend.
 
[quote name='s0undwav3']I just downloaded this game for the first time yesterday, I played past the first two missions as a Vulcan. Went to destroy some borg mines then landed on a planet.

I lost interest after about 30 minutes of play. Not sure why, just there was absolutely no one else to play with at the start of the game. It was a completely solo experience. I saw other ships around flying and destroying borg mines.

just seems like another grinding mmo. I joined to see what all the 3 year fuss stuff is about but with no one to play with, I'm kinda just bored and probably will uninstall. I'll give it a go over the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like you were just playing the tutorial that is only setup to teach you the controls. Just to let you know beyond the social hubs there are only a few "adventure zones" that you will see other players running around. You should see plenty of players while flying in space, but you won't really be interacting with them.

Most of the content is "episodes" that you usually run solo. Most can be played as a team but its up to you to find someone to play it with you.

Once you hit level cap there is much more team play and of course there is always PvP that is all other players. Just be aware this game is solo friendly until you hit level cap.
 
Haven't checked out Season 8 or the winter event at all... I jumped on FFXIV in September and haven't looked back. (great game, btw)

 
I'm thinking of starting this MMO in the next week or two... Is the CAG Fleet still active?  Do I need to get my character to a certain level before joining a fleet?  Is it better to start as a Federation player?  Thanks for answering a newb's questions!

 
There are a few giveaways in the C-Store this weekend. Uniform sets from TNG, bridge packs, and the Ambassador Cruiser and Varinus Science Vessel will be given away!
 
One-time use code for a free Peregrine Fighter & Instructions on how to redeem: EbmAoUvw

1. Go to StarTrekOnline.com and create a new account.
2. After logging in, click the Arc logo at the top left of the Arc Client.
3. Click “Redeem a Code” and enter your code.
4. Launch the game and complete the Tutorial.
5. Claim the item from the CStore in the “items” tab.
 
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