CAGcast #208: C*********s 101

Great show guys. I noticed that Shipwreck was really on target the whole episode, both in his commentary of the XBLA Glitch coverage and just dispensing snappy and snarky comments throughout the episode. Everyone was great this show, I especially loved the running gag about how "Japanese girls are nicer."

Also, get Esteban back on sometime in the future, he was a great addition to the show. I'm not saying he needs to be a permanent fixture of the show, as it sounds like he is on enough podcasts already.
 
Wombat, when you hijacked that question from Estabon about living in Japan as a Foreigner I think your mother would have smacked the piss out of you if she had been in the room.

Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?!
 
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[quote name='RichMeisterMan']Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?![/QUOTE]

True, but he's heard Cheapy talk and complain about it enough that he has vicariously lived there.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']McDonalds seems to be doing pretty well.

People have lower expectations from cheap food. Likewise, if you pay $10 for a game, you might be more likely to be satisfied by your purchase even if the game is mediocre.




Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/sony-disables-g/[/QUOTE]

So SCEA is OK with it, but what about the devs?
 
[quote name='RichMeisterMan']Wombat, when you hijacked that question from Estabon about living in Japan as a Foreigner I think your mother would have smacked the piss out of you if she had been in the room.

Not only that, but you haven't lived in Japan! So what the fuck dude?![/QUOTE]


Haha, I asked that question. Wombat was just joking around and repeating what Cheapy said in previous podcasts. Estabon answered it at the end anyways and it was a good answer. It's all good. :cool:
 
[quote name='jkanownik']360 issue - dead horse
PS3 issue - not a dead horse

Don't beat the dead horse. If the PS3 issue had already been beaten to death there would be no need to talk about it. If you're an adult that comes home from a long day of work and has limited time to enjoy a game in the evening the PS3 downloads are a major issue. It becomes especially noticeable if you do the majority of your gaming on the 360.

If it makes you feel any better World of Warcraft has the same issue. It's impossible to play that casually because you get prompted for a 1+ GB download every now and then.[/QUOTE]

When issues or problems come about with various systems.. you work around it. Having to wait for slow downloads once every blue moon doesn't make the system worthless or unplayable. The last update only took a couple of minutes... so it may not be as much of an issue anymore. When I come home from working, I'm going to enjoy my main system regardless of whatever issues it has. Just like 360 owners did when their system was having problems that were much more significant.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']McDonalds seems to be doing pretty well.

People have lower expectations from cheap food. Likewise, if you pay $10 for a game, you might be more likely to be satisfied by your purchase even if the game is mediocre.




Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"


http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/08/sony-disables-g/[/QUOTE]

McDonalds doesn't have shitty food. It may not be quality but it's decent and filling and cheap as hell. You've given good reviews to it on your Youtube channel as well.

But Shipwreck said a recommended buy price for Clash of The Titans was 10 bucks along with a middle finger. If it's that bad, why recommend anyone buy it for any amount of money? So people can torture themselves with a bad game and then say oh it was only 10 bucks?

10 bucks is still a good amount of money actually.
The rating system makes more sense with games that aren't jackshit horrible. Maybe 6 hour games that are GOOD but not worth 60 bucks and would be worth a buy at 20 or so?

But shit at 10 dollars is still SHIT at 10 dollars.
 
[quote name='LiK']Haha, I asked that question. Wombat was just joking around and repeating what Cheapy said in previous podcasts. Estabon answered it at the end anyways and it was a good answer. It's all good. :cool:[/QUOTE]

I guess the sarcasm went over my head (Just like your video response, Wombat). He seemed so serious, and it seemed pretty inline with the things he does.

You know though, Wombat, I've addressed you in numerous other CAGcast threads and have never gotten a response. The first time I say something negative, or question the way you act I get one. And I am watching Kick-Ass right now. Have you ever seen it? If so, what'd you think?
 
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that story about people getting those xbox live arcade games for free pissed me off for two reasons: 1 because these tech news sites are vultures with no integrity and 2 shipwreck is such a wimp. hes a good guy but a real wet blanket.
 
[quote name='RichMeisterMan']I guess the sarcasm went over my head (Just like your video response, Wombat). He seemed so serious, and it seemed pretty inline with the things he does. [/QUOTE]


I don't think you're the only one. I don't think Estabon knew Wombat was being sarcastic either. ;)
 
[quote name='RichMeisterMan']You know though, Wombat, I've addressed you in numerous other CAGcast threads and have never gotten a response. The first time I say something negative, or question the way you act I get one. And I am watching Kick-Ass right now. Have you ever seen it? If so, what'd you think?[/QUOTE]

You get ignored because you are an idiot. This time you were just an excuse to link to a funny video.
 
[quote name='jkanownik']You get ignored because you are an idiot. This time you were just an excuse to link to a funny video.[/QUOTE]

Well see, this was the first time I've ever said anything directly to wombat that could be interpreted as trolling to any degree. Usually I attempt to ask him something comic or superhero related because I find him to be an authority on that topic.

So I would advise that from now on you know what you are talking about before decide to address me. If you do not know the flavor of the Kool-Aid then please shut the fuck up. Thanks!

And Wombat is a grown ass man; I don't think he needs your punk ass coming to his defense or explaining why he does something.
 
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I have to admit when I saw the Joystiq story earlier in the week I did have second thoughts about why they posted. However, exploit stories are posted all the time across the tech industry. There are stories of exploits on Microsoft's IE for years. Jail breaking the Iphone has become a cottage industry. We all know about bit torrent because some journalist some where posted up how to do it at some point.

The difference between reporting a security story and a pirating story is not such a black and white thing . The idea that journalist should play ball with industry they cover seems to be a real thorny issue. On the one hand people love to take digs at the big gaming sites and magazines for getting exclusives for the promise of a good review score. While on the other hand you have guys complaining that a story should not be posted because it might hurt the industry.
 
Hey guys good podcast! I think at first I wasn't so sure about Esteban, but by the end of the show he fit right in!

Anyways, I just had a quick comment to make about the portion of the show where Cheapy and Esteban shared about their thoughts on Japan. I spend 3 summers in Okinawa during High School and recently studied abroad in Nagoya. From these experiences and others that I know, it seems like in many ways Tokyo is more of an International city than a Japanese one, and so some of Cheapy and Esteban's observations are really dependent on the fact that they are residents of Tokyo as opposed to other areas of Japan.

I think Wombat hit it head on; Xenophobia, standing out like a sore thumb everywhere you go, and things just not being the way they are in America will usually give most Americans reason to want to return to the States. Also, for people who do JET, some get lucky and placed in big city areas, but plenty are thrown into the Japanese boondocks, rural villages where they might easily be the only white person the village people have ever seen up close and personal (besides the previous JET). Clearly, a much different experience than someone in Tokyo, where foreigners are still few but noticeably present.

Little known covered up fact: Every year a handful of JETs commit suicide, and usually ones who have been placed in aforementioned settings.
 
As far as the exploit thing goes, its up to the individual to decide whether they steal the stuff or not.

Yes, maybe a website is to blame on some level for posting directions on how to do it, but ultimately it is the user who steals it, that will be held accountable.
I wouldnt get too upset Ship. These websites are just posting what they think is 'news'.
Maybe they used bad judgement in giving the details. But I would say it is news in any event.


p.s. I heard of the exploit (with directions) first on CAG.
and no.. I chose not to do it. although its tempting =)
 
Ugh, I hated this show- Esteban seemed like a nice guy, but I felt that he was a shitty guest.
I don't consider a producer to be a developer, but rather a manager who works at a game development company. I didn't like that he was asked for perspective on subjects based on the fact that he's a developer.
 
I heard of the glitched on CAG first a few months ago I think, somebody posted it on the contest/freebie forum. Suddenly Joystiq picked up this news and Kotaku decided to do the same.
 
:lol: at Cheapy once again bringing up the old ass gamesharing quotes since he has nothing post launch to back up his claims. I've criticized just that aspect of your defense and you re-used those quotes to combat the criticism. Come back with a quote from the past 3.5 years and maybe then you'll get people off of your back. That was one quote from before they knew how big that feature would be and have since backed off greatly to make it more of a gray area that they don't actively support anymore, which tells me a lot about their thoughts on the situation.

On the topic of your responsibility to the industry as members of the media in varying levels, you guys have done and said different that at least makes your holier than thou stance on the show questionable. I know Shipwreck has talked about before how he doesn't like to trade in the games he's received because he doesn't want to take away sales, but all three have gameshared a lot of games with each other and Shipwreck has sent some of the games he's received to Cheapy, Wombat, and others so they could play them without having to buy the game. Cheapy, Shipwreck, and Wombat have begged and pestered the others on the show about getting the game from their account. There's a different scope to the effect of those actions, but you guys aren't as the others.

I agree about how poorly designed the menus in Monday Night Combat are. You don't have to start a game to get back to the main menu, just click on a Blitz type to play and then push the B button to exit back to the main menu.

You can play one game online to get enough coins to buy a Bronze pack of cards. My first online game in Madden Ultimate Team got me 1400 coins with a win, so you get about two times the coins I get for playing against the CPU (600-900 coins). Maybe losses don't pay as well, but I've only had one complete game so far with MUT.

I'm fine with the unlock/booster stuff as long as you don't need to pay to get the same stuff, so I'm fine with people wanting to pay money for the coins to get a better pack of cards since that's not exactly something I'd expect people to exclusively do to get a good team. I know the most popular download on PSN for a few weeks after MLB 10 came out was the $0.99 DLC that gave you a ton of training points for the career mode, which seemed like virtual steroids to me.

I'd guess that Crystal Dynamics took the offer to give exclusivity to XBLA to be a part of the Summer of Arcade lineup that would happen before they could finish the game, so they sacrificed complete content for sales. They probably knew that the IP would draw in enough sales during SoA to make up for whatever drop in sales they'd get if they got a normal multiplatform release in September.

Shipwreck, Heavy Rain is a new IP that sold over 1 million worldwide and that isn't exactly a mainstream game in any sense. Borderlands is probably the best-selling new IP of 2009. A lot of the best-selling games of this generation were new IPs for this generation (Mass Effect, Uncharted, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed, Wii Sports/Fit, and Batman: Arkham Asylum).

Good show.
 
Finally got around to listening this morning after downloading last night..great show indeed!

I was really surprised to hear Cheapy start talking about the Mafia II demo! That was the first thing I grabbed off the PSN update last Tuesday (yes before the Scott Pilgrim demo..which I haven't even tried yet) and immediately played it. I definitely played part one on the PC and the Xbox, but never really got that far into it. Since I'm Italian-American, and watched Goodfellas hundreds of times, I was really psyched to see a game coming out that caters to that kind of lifestyle.

The demo was good, but I wouldn't say great. I was really hoping the graphics would top GTA IV in realism, yet be on a better, newer engine to make it look even more realistic. Instead, the graphics were more like Saint's Row (cartoon-y, no sense of scale) and with a zoomed in camera that was a little too close..and I'm not sure if it was my TV or how I set the brightness on the game, but it looked really really bright, especially since it was supposed to be at night. I remember the first having a nice dark, gritty feel to it..this was not there in this sequel. Now, I did love the driving and found it vastly improved from the first. I wasn't excited at all about driving a car from the 30's or 40's whenever it is, kinda like riding a horse (!) in other games can become extremely boring..but as soon as I hit the gas, the feel of the car felt like modern day racing games, with very nice precision. The gunplay was pretty good too.

I already put $5 down on this game, really want the CE, but didn't want to put $10 down :lol: However, I'm pretty impressed and think I can get some enjoyment out of it. Plus, since it comes out the week of my birthday, I view it as a great gift to myself! :D Anyways, keep up the great work, I think you guys should contact Sirius XM and see if you can get the first all gaming satellite radio channel going!!
 
[quote name='CheapyD']
Here's what SCEA president Jack Tretton told Wired right before PS3's launch:

"You can send that content to four other friends for that initial investment," said Tretton. "We want to get the game in as many hands as possible."

"It's not about generating profits at each and every interaction with the consumer," he said. "I think that really offsets the argument that says, 'Wow, that's a really pricey system.'"
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While you may be right that it might be technically a grey area, or even legal, it is beyond the point. Try and listen to what you said during the segment (starts at around 40min mark).

Here are some quotes:

"This is piracy"
"telling people how to get games for free"
"you have so little respect for it**, that youre just going to give out peoples product for free"
"We are all here because we like the industry, and we want to see it do well"
**((the video games industry))

No matter what anyone at Sony says, the publisher will get money for only _one_ copy, while missing out on money of up to 4 copies - permanently. Compare that to the XBLA glitch, which albeit being severe, probably only lasted for a very limited amount of time.

While I personally think that the 5 DL copy limit 'cheating' costs _way_ more than the XBLA glitch, its really irrelevant - The main point is that both are ways in which you essentially take money away from the maker of the games.
 
GentleCAGs,
You talked on the episode about there being no new IP this year that's been selling well. A quick scan of this year's Top 20 monthly sales (as per NPDs) show a couple of titles that you guys overlooked.
  • Just Dance has been a slow-burn success, albeit that it launched late last year, and has appeared in the NPD's Top 20 every month this year. Brand new IP, long legs.
  • Darksiders hit #10 in January, but then dropped off the charts. I'm willing to bet $20 that it performed well enough that we'll see a sequel.
  • Dante's Inferno hit #8 and 9 for 360 and PS3 respectively in Feb. Heavy Rain also hit #10 in the same month.
  • The rest of the new IPs to hit the Top 20 were MAG, Bayonetta, Mod Nation Racers.
Now, to be fair, that's only 7 new IPs that sold enough to make the Top 20 so far this year. For reference, there's 52 established IPs that appear in the Top 20 over the same time period.

But that fact in itself is telling. Publishers want to sell games, and sales data shows that new IPs are a much riskier proposition. So it's not surprising that we see so few new IPs, because the gaming public has repeatedly and consistently shown a bias towards the familiar.
 
This was a good podcast episode, I like it when there is a guess on the show :D. I also enjoyed Saints Row (I had played and beaten SR2 on Ps3) congrads Cheapyd be sure to try to squeeze in a cheapyd rap like from the T.Q podcast and I hope to hear cheapyd say Big Ass Chains!!
 
Good show this week guys. The first one I've listened to in about 6 months.
I think it's a little hippocratic for a site called cheapassgamer to ban glitches for free games. I was laughing my ass off listening to your attempt to be moralistic. This whole site is devoted to getting things as close to free as possible. Why not just ban all deals and help Cheapy's bottom line.
 
Congrats on winning the Saints Row 3 contest. I just ordered the original game at your suggestions back in the older Cagcasts.

Speaking of which, at random, I happened to have been listening to Cagcast #139 for the first time today and caught your discussion (29 minute mark) about the disappointment of having no "Big Ass Chains" in Saints Row 2," and the foreshadowing your appearance in Saints Row 3.

Now that you're going to be in the game, are you going to use your internet space pimp status to try and get "Big Ass Chains" back into the franchise, or perhaps Wombat's idea of being a cranky jew porn shop owner? BTW... any interest with the upcoming Saints Row game on the 3DS?


(PS... if by random occurrence, this post is commented on, I have not had the chance to listen to this episode yet... so I don't know if this has been covered already.)
 
Hey, Cheapy, how about a clarification on how the Godaddy codes work.

I just tried to use the CAG10 code, thinking I would save 10% on my order, since I'm getting a deluxe hosting plan, domain reg and some add-on's, total order came out to $220, I entered that code, got $1.40 off (took only 10% off the domain reg only). I know they have codes for 20% off hosting plans, you should see about getting some more codes up, I'd rather use codes from here than FW so you can make the money.. but cheap is cheap..
 
Oh wait, before I forget! Randomly this Cagcast brought up something Ive actually had to have conversations about: Japanese women and their pubic hair, haha.

First of all, I should note that I am a female and have been to Japan. Specifically, Japanese onsen (public baths and/or hot springs). And Japanese women just let it all hang out, so to speak. Basically, from what I've gathered to bikini wax or whatever is something only porn stars do and its very tightly connected to that, meaning that its quite whorish and slutty for the average Japanese women to bikini wax, from a Japanese cultural standpoint.

Hope that cleared that one up.
 
I love cagcast. And no disrespect.... Just thought this was interesting...

I totally agreed with everyone's views in the CAGcast about the "Ethics in video game blogging". Though when I was searching through the forums i found this article pretty interesting....

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111265

For someone so upset about what the other blogs said on their site, I found it kind of interesting that Shippy would have written a guide on this.

No worries though. You guys still rock
 
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