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Cheapy owning Wombat with meatspin.com was the greatest thing I have heard since I've been tuning into the the CAGcast
CAGcast #68: Symphony of the Meat Spin
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I'm so sick of hearing people say that we shouldn't restrict minors from buying M-rated games because their parents need to be more involved. That is such a useless suggestion.
What most people are too stupid to realize is how much you can do without your parents knowledge. No child grows up with their parents knowing and being involved in all that they do. This is starts to become significant between the ages of 13-16. Parents don't have the ability to live their lives and the lives of all their children as well. This becomes even harder when a mother and father have to take care of many children (5 in my parents case). It's just not possible. When little Jimmy sneaks off to Gamestop to buy Chainsaw Rapist VII while his mom is taking Susie to ballet, feeding the baby, and trying to keep Tommy from shoving GI Joes up the dog's ass, would you still blame it on the parents?
Also Wombat and CheapyD neither have children of their own nor seem to be the types that would be very good with kids. Are they qualified to blame parents for not parenting well? I think they need to see what it's like first (and don't give me any of that pet shit, you just stick them in a cage).
Sure, there are some crappy parents. I once worked at a Blockbuster, and a young boy (probably around 8) came up to me with a action movie he had no business seeing. He put it on the counter and I said he would need his parents, he went and got his dad, and his dad approved of it. This father did a tremendous wrong to his son, and unfortunately this happens to many children across America. But this is not representative of the whole.
Parents are normal people. They are mortal men and women, just like you and me. They do their best, but sometimes some things slip through the crack.
What most people are too stupid to realize is how much you can do without your parents knowledge. No child grows up with their parents knowing and being involved in all that they do. This is starts to become significant between the ages of 13-16. Parents don't have the ability to live their lives and the lives of all their children as well. This becomes even harder when a mother and father have to take care of many children (5 in my parents case). It's just not possible. When little Jimmy sneaks off to Gamestop to buy Chainsaw Rapist VII while his mom is taking Susie to ballet, feeding the baby, and trying to keep Tommy from shoving GI Joes up the dog's ass, would you still blame it on the parents?
Also Wombat and CheapyD neither have children of their own nor seem to be the types that would be very good with kids. Are they qualified to blame parents for not parenting well? I think they need to see what it's like first (and don't give me any of that pet shit, you just stick them in a cage).
Sure, there are some crappy parents. I once worked at a Blockbuster, and a young boy (probably around 8) came up to me with a action movie he had no business seeing. He put it on the counter and I said he would need his parents, he went and got his dad, and his dad approved of it. This father did a tremendous wrong to his son, and unfortunately this happens to many children across America. But this is not representative of the whole.
Parents are normal people. They are mortal men and women, just like you and me. They do their best, but sometimes some things slip through the crack.
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mannn cheapyyy... Why did you say not to go in it me and Trunks982 were at work doing our job then he said, "New cagcast is out..... Cheapy said not to go into meatspin." phhhfff... so I went .... An now... I need to take a bath. Burn my eyes out. leekspin is not enough to get the images out. 
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I know, by making this post, my nerd level will increase, but... Wombat, the Redgaurd in Oblivion are a different race, not a different species.
Edit: Here is the race break down...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Races_of_The_Elder_Scrolls
Edit: Here is the race break down...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Races_of_The_Elder_Scrolls
[quote name='felixlighter']I know, by making this post, my nerd level will increase, but... Wombat, the Redgaurd in Oblivion are a different race, not a different species.[/quote]
Be comforted in the knowledge that at least you weren't singing "Man in the Mirror" in Smeagol's voice.
Be comforted in the knowledge that at least you weren't singing "Man in the Mirror" in Smeagol's voice.
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Sure it's possible. It's called protection. Kids are responsibility, if you can't manage 5 then don't have 5.
And Tybee's earlier post should be quoted anytime someone thinks about trying to get into video game journalism. Only start reviewing games when you are ready for video games to become work.
Edit: Also good show but for some reason Wombat's voice comes in much lower than Cheapy's voice when I listen so I generally have to turn it up pretty high.
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2 hours is too damn long. Anything over one hour is too damn long. You might be able to pull along the die-hards with show lengths like this, but when it comes to growing the audience, there's not a lot of people who will just dive in to a show that asks for such a significant listening commitment.
45 minutes is probably the ideal target length. Anyone who tells you 2 hours is an acceptable show length is not your friend, unless of course you don't care about expanding the audience.
45 minutes is probably the ideal target length. Anyone who tells you 2 hours is an acceptable show length is not your friend, unless of course you don't care about expanding the audience.
Wombat, I usually agree with you and I think you are funny during the cagcast, but I agree that Grand Theft Auto being a microsoft exclusive would be a huge blow to sony. But Madden is what you call an everyman game? I know Madden always sells the most copies every year, but I can't understand how the same people buy Madden every single year. Its the same game every year with maybe a new tweak, or pimp my house crap attached to a roster update. My cousin has every madden that came out for the gamecube and the 360, and 2 Medal of honor games. What Ea should be forced to do is just release roster updates or Live or PS3 home, etc. but rereleasing the same game every single year, and it seems nobody cares that its the same game is mindboggling to me. I like a whole variety of game genres and will often buy something different just to get new game experiences.
[quote name='ma']The only thing worse than meatspin is listening to these guys say Merry-O over and over again, and claiming it's the right pronunciation because that's how you say Merry-O Andretti. 
Enjoying the show otherwise...[/QUOTE]
I didn't want to say anything this time, but that's pretty damn funny ma...
In other news, a night of sleep and a fresh new day (with the sun shining here in OR) has not put the horror of meatspin out of my mind... Ugh... My question - how the hell did you find out about it Cheapy?
Enjoying the show otherwise...[/QUOTE]
I didn't want to say anything this time, but that's pretty damn funny ma...
In other news, a night of sleep and a fresh new day (with the sun shining here in OR) has not put the horror of meatspin out of my mind... Ugh... My question - how the hell did you find out about it Cheapy?
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I didn't want to say anything this time, but that's pretty damn funny ma...
In other news, a night of sleep and a fresh new day (with the sun shining here in OR) has not put the horror of meatspin out of my mind... Ugh... My question - how the hell did you find out about it Cheapy?[/quote]
Its cheapyd's Homepage...
I didn't want to say anything this time, but that's pretty damn funny ma...
In other news, a night of sleep and a fresh new day (with the sun shining here in OR) has not put the horror of meatspin out of my mind... Ugh... My question - how the hell did you find out about it Cheapy?
[/quote]Its cheapyd's Homepage...
[quote name='CheapyD']I warned you all not to click it![/quote]
That is the most amusing part of it all to me.
You tell them not to click it, and without good reason, they all click it anyway. Come on, Meatspin is like the devil's fruit. Anyway, I'm gonna listen to the podcast tomorrow, when I get some time. That's because I don't have 118 minutes to spare today.
That is the most amusing part of it all to me.
You tell them not to click it, and without good reason, they all click it anyway. Come on, Meatspin is like the devil's fruit. Anyway, I'm gonna listen to the podcast tomorrow, when I get some time. That's because I don't have 118 minutes to spare today.
The rumored 120GB 360 AND the seperate 120GB HDD to be sold are suppose to come a with a data retention cable to transfer your old saves. To me, this still sounds like someone trying to make their rumor sound more belivable. I'll believe it (black 360) when I see it.
Enjoy your Xdata/port/whatever though Cheapy. :lol:
Enjoy your Xdata/port/whatever though Cheapy. :lol:
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Great episode yet again! Kudos for the directing of Wombat towards Meatspin.com and for answering my question. I'm planning on joining JET, which could lead to actual living in Japan (in about 4 years) but your answer made me one sad panda.
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Cheapy and Wombat,
Thank you for this ridiculously long CAGcast. I had to make a two hour drive to Houston today and I was entertained the entire way there. I really like the idea of dividing the interviews into two parts and having your normal segments in between, sort of like a CAG sandwich. You guys have had a great run of shows lately so keep it going!
Thank you for this ridiculously long CAGcast. I had to make a two hour drive to Houston today and I was entertained the entire way there. I really like the idea of dividing the interviews into two parts and having your normal segments in between, sort of like a CAG sandwich. You guys have had a great run of shows lately so keep it going!
I forgot to mention that I really enjoyed the interview with Violent Lee. Cheapy is a solid interviewer, and Justin is a seasoned interviewee, and I just like how well the interview flowed overall. I really want to hear more of these in the future.
I'm hoping Wombat can start prodding his alleged contacts in the game/entertainment industry to participate--I think it would really bump up the diggs and listenership if you had some "names" thrown in the mix. Let's get some Capcom and Rockstar people to answer some questions about DMC4 and GTA4 when the timing is right, for example.
I'm hoping Wombat can start prodding his alleged contacts in the game/entertainment industry to participate--I think it would really bump up the diggs and listenership if you had some "names" thrown in the mix. Let's get some Capcom and Rockstar people to answer some questions about DMC4 and GTA4 when the timing is right, for example.
I've got a question for mr. violentlee, i hope he reads this thread.
A while back on an EGM podcast Jennifer Tsao said that a big hurdle for them hiring freelancers to review games is that the freelancers need to already have access to debug systems to play their review builds of games or be able to walk into their offices to use theirs. do you have access to these systems or do you just play retail copies for review?
A while back on an EGM podcast Jennifer Tsao said that a big hurdle for them hiring freelancers to review games is that the freelancers need to already have access to debug systems to play their review builds of games or be able to walk into their offices to use theirs. do you have access to these systems or do you just play retail copies for review?
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Well, it took me long enough, but I finally joined the site after listening to the CAGcast after many months.
This episode was entertaining, even though I don't know what everyone is talking about when it comes to the mystery website which was mentioned. I like the idea of splitting the interviews up into segments. That way I can keep interest in it without wanting me to skip ahead.
I know Wombat said Twilight Princess is the Wii's only REAL game. I just wonder what he considers Sonic and the Secret Rings to be. I also wonder what he considers Super Paper MAH-REE-O to be, which comes out April 9th.
This episode was entertaining, even though I don't know what everyone is talking about when it comes to the mystery website which was mentioned. I like the idea of splitting the interviews up into segments. That way I can keep interest in it without wanting me to skip ahead.
I know Wombat said Twilight Princess is the Wii's only REAL game. I just wonder what he considers Sonic and the Secret Rings to be. I also wonder what he considers Super Paper MAH-REE-O to be, which comes out April 9th.
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[quote name='Milkyman']I've got a question for mr. violentlee, i hope he reads this thread.
A while back on an EGM podcast Jennifer Tsao said that a big hurdle for them hiring freelancers to review games is that the freelancers need to already have access to debug systems to play their review builds of games or be able to walk into their offices to use theirs. do you have access to these systems or do you just play retail copies for review?[/QUOTE]
If there's a chance a thread is talking about me, I'm usually lurking on it.
I do have a few debug consoles in my possession -- though only 360 out of the next-gen titles. I hear on good authority that only 50 PS3 debugs went to media, tops -- though if need be, I could go to Yahoo and use theirs. My 360 debug has actually netted me a recurring gig with OXM for the past couple of issues.
DS and PSP games don't require debugs, by the way, as roms work just fine on retail hardware. A few companies send out "trade show demos" which are basically plain discs that somehow work on retail, but that's a small segment.
I review more retail copies than anything these days. That's because, this time of year, companies aren't in as mad of a dash to push games out the door to make holiday. Thus, they can ship out retail to media a week or two in advance. HOWEVER, a big thing to remember is that EGM and other print publications have lead time issues. A review you see hot off the presses was writted a month and a half before (give or take), so that means there likely wasn't a retail copy available. Online reviews, on the other hand, have gone up the day I submitted them to my editor in some cases.
A while back on an EGM podcast Jennifer Tsao said that a big hurdle for them hiring freelancers to review games is that the freelancers need to already have access to debug systems to play their review builds of games or be able to walk into their offices to use theirs. do you have access to these systems or do you just play retail copies for review?[/QUOTE]
If there's a chance a thread is talking about me, I'm usually lurking on it.
I do have a few debug consoles in my possession -- though only 360 out of the next-gen titles. I hear on good authority that only 50 PS3 debugs went to media, tops -- though if need be, I could go to Yahoo and use theirs. My 360 debug has actually netted me a recurring gig with OXM for the past couple of issues.
DS and PSP games don't require debugs, by the way, as roms work just fine on retail hardware. A few companies send out "trade show demos" which are basically plain discs that somehow work on retail, but that's a small segment.
I review more retail copies than anything these days. That's because, this time of year, companies aren't in as mad of a dash to push games out the door to make holiday. Thus, they can ship out retail to media a week or two in advance. HOWEVER, a big thing to remember is that EGM and other print publications have lead time issues. A review you see hot off the presses was writted a month and a half before (give or take), so that means there likely wasn't a retail copy available. Online reviews, on the other hand, have gone up the day I submitted them to my editor in some cases.
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[quote name='mik']Yeah, hearing Justin say an online review would get you $150 was sort of depressing. Hooray--you only need to do about 10 reviews a week to make an ok living. 
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Which one of Utah's palaces do you live in, mik? You must be big ballin', calling $78,000 -- which I don't come close to making -- "an ok living." Remind me to come visit you at your magnificent chalet, swim in your private Olympic-sized pool, and sample your harem of ladies-in-waiting. I look forward to dining on barbecued bald eagle and fried dinosaur skins, served in diamond crystal bowls with talking robot forks.
[/QUOTE]Which one of Utah's palaces do you live in, mik? You must be big ballin', calling $78,000 -- which I don't come close to making -- "an ok living."
Remind me to come visit you at your magnificent chalet, swim in your private Olympic-sized pool, and sample your harem of ladies-in-waiting. I look forward to dining on barbecued bald eagle and fried dinosaur skins, served in diamond crystal bowls with talking robot forks.
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I was making lunch in the kitchen and I told my GF to go to my computer and search up meatspin.com cause its a cool music site.
All the sudden out of my room, I heard, "You spin me right round!" and her scream.
I couldnt stop laughing for a long time... she beat me up though...
All the sudden out of my room, I heard, "You spin me right round!" and her scream.
I couldnt stop laughing for a long time... she beat me up though...
[quote name='Yipwoop']Thank you for telling everybody the correct way to pronounce "Mario." I grew up in NJ in an Italian family and have always pronounced Mario like Marry - oh. It drives me nuts that people take this guy's take on how to pronounce the name:
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These guys grew up in NY and can manage to pronounce the name Mario correctly .
...like Mario Andretti 'cause he always drives his car well - Shadrach
...Mario C , you can't front on that ! - So Watcha Want
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These guys grew up in NY and can manage to pronounce the name Mario correctly .
...like Mario Andretti 'cause he always drives his car well - Shadrach
...Mario C , you can't front on that ! - So Watcha Want
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I know Wombat said Twilight Princess is the Wii's only REAL game. I just wonder what he considers Sonic and the Secret Rings to be. I also wonder what he considers Super Paper MAH-REE-O to be, which comes out April 9th.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have to say it irked me a bit when they talked of all the bad games coming out for the Wii and that nothing good was coming out until the next MARY-oh and they made it sound like that was Galaxy. WTF? Super Paper Mario is just a few weeks away here... Granted this week's releases were pretty bad overall (though, for a change there were several - I couldn't believe all the new Wii games at GC the other day). But with SPM on the horizon I'm happy. I'm playing Rogue Galaxy now anyway.
It's funny, because isn't MARY-oh the way the English would say it? It's kind of wierd that New Yorkers and the English would have a bizarre pronunciation in common, as their language is usually the polar opposite in terms of style :lol:.
I don't have any idea why you guys keep bringing up the Mario voice guy (who says it right) when defending your wrong pronunciation. How about the way it is said in Italy? MARY-oh certainly ain't any kind of Italian way.
Anyway, just nitpicking. I loved the show as usual - keep up the good work! And I agree with Cheapy in that GTA is no "everybody" game. I couldn't have less interest in it myself. While I don't play Madden either, I could at least see myself playing it, unlike GTA. (And I may pick up the Wii version when it gets cheap). Maybe every male between the age of 15-30 plays GTA, and that makes it an "everybody" game for the CAG demographic, but not the general public.
I know Wombat said Twilight Princess is the Wii's only REAL game. I just wonder what he considers Sonic and the Secret Rings to be. I also wonder what he considers Super Paper MAH-REE-O to be, which comes out April 9th.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have to say it irked me a bit when they talked of all the bad games coming out for the Wii and that nothing good was coming out until the next MARY-oh and they made it sound like that was Galaxy. WTF? Super Paper Mario is just a few weeks away here... Granted this week's releases were pretty bad overall (though, for a change there were several - I couldn't believe all the new Wii games at GC the other day). But with SPM on the horizon I'm happy. I'm playing Rogue Galaxy now anyway
.It's funny, because isn't MARY-oh the way the English would say it? It's kind of wierd that New Yorkers and the English would have a bizarre pronunciation in common, as their language is usually the polar opposite in terms of style :lol:.
I don't have any idea why you guys keep bringing up the Mario voice guy (who says it right) when defending your wrong pronunciation. How about the way it is said in Italy? MARY-oh certainly ain't any kind of Italian way.
Anyway, just nitpicking. I loved the show as usual - keep up the good work! And I agree with Cheapy in that GTA is no "everybody" game. I couldn't have less interest in it myself. While I don't play Madden either, I could at least see myself playing it, unlike GTA. (And I may pick up the Wii version when it gets cheap). Maybe every male between the age of 15-30 plays GTA, and that makes it an "everybody" game for the CAG demographic, but not the general public
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Actually, it was Wombat who said GTA wasn't an "everybody game". I said it was.
I didn't necessarily mean that everybody played it,
GTA is definitely a franchise, that as an exclusive, has the potential to influence a console purchase.
Also, here is my Trash Talk video review:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFuyfTz8FbM[/media]
I didn't necessarily mean that everybody played it,
GTA is definitely a franchise, that as an exclusive, has the potential to influence a console purchase.
Also, here is my Trash Talk video review:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFuyfTz8FbM[/media]
D'oh! You're right. Then I agree with Wombat I mean .
But sure, I agree with your points above - as an exclusive it would definitely sell consoles.
So, by that definition, OK, it's an "everybody" game. But so is FF, Madden, Mario, Zelda, Halo, etc... I dunno, when there's so many games like that I'm not sure any one has THAT much of an impact on the overall relative console sales (now if one platform can nail down several, or in the 360's case, keep them from being exclusive to another console, then that matters).
.But sure, I agree with your points above - as an exclusive it would definitely sell consoles.
So, by that definition, OK, it's an "everybody" game. But so is FF, Madden, Mario, Zelda, Halo, etc... I dunno, when there's so many games like that I'm not sure any one has THAT much of an impact on the overall relative console sales (now if one platform can nail down several, or in the 360's case, keep them from being exclusive to another console, then that matters).
I think Cheapy's right: GTA3 is an "everybody" game (if we're talking about teen to adult casual gamers).
I know a guy who has a PS2 and 3 games:
Madden
NBA Live
GTA3
This dude is the most casual gamer I know.
(He also owns a copy of the PS1 Dukes of Hazzard game, for reasons that escape me.)
I know a guy who has a PS2 and 3 games:
Madden
NBA Live
GTA3
This dude is the most casual gamer I know.
(He also owns a copy of the PS1 Dukes of Hazzard game, for reasons that escape me.)
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Cheapy and Wombat, Meat spin is a mean thing to do to people, in fact it is all your fault that I tricked five other people into watching that video, and at least two of them I know carried on the joke.
One thing that should define next gen games is multiplayer options. If it makes sense in the game there should be split screen options for multiplayer same console, there should be system link and obviously online support. Now there should also be split screen system link and split screen online support. Although for online support I would probably be ok with not allowing split screen in ranked games. But allot of the time my friends and I will get three or four XBox consoles in one house bring over a projector and hook the rest up to TVs and play for an evening. So games like Halo are one of only a few choices we can all play. So I think it is very important for multiplayer options to be robust.
Cheapy, maybe your Wii is flashing because you have people who want to be your friend, and they are hoping to see a giant bald me in a Kimono show up on their Mii parade. Or it could be Nintendo bothering you about some channel that nobody really wants. I am no expert, but with that bad Australian accent you may have offend most of your Australian listeners! Just Kidding! The reason that your Wii is sitting blinking at you and your batteries are dead is because there are no good games, and there are no multiplayer games. Come on Nintendo you bring us a console that has what I would say has the beginning of last gen graphics and no online multiplayer. There are so many games that are out for the Wii that would be great multiplayer games Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Red Turd, Excite Truck, and Tiger Wood Golf. These are games that are screaming multi player but oh that’s right you released your console before it was ready….Hmmmm what other company does that remind us all of? But it is funny how nobody rags on Nintendo for releasing their console early.
I really had to laugh at Cheapy’s comment “I think of home and I think I am excited.” When I see a hot naked stripper I know I am excited, when I see another tie for Father’s day I try to act excited. There is so little for people to get excited about the PS3 that now we all try really hard to get excited about something…anything, so we can be excited about this platform. Really I am beginning to think I paid $535 for a shiny black box that plays Blu-Ray disks. Let’s hope this next round of games will pump some life into the PS3. As for Resistance I completely agree with you, that the experience is just not at the level as Call of Duty, or Gears of War. I know for me at least it is the lack of rumble, there just is no way to feel the explostions or realize when you are taking some bullets. But I also think the game lacks the feeling of the chaos of combat.
I agree with both Cheapy and Wombat about GTA being a game for everybody even though they seemed to disagree about it. I agree with Cheapy that buying Take Two would make GTA exclusive to XBox, and that this would be a game that sells lots of consoles. It is well known that GTA:SA pushed the sales of a lot of PS2s. So I agree that having GTA exclusive to the 360 would be something that lots people would want and could drive the sales of the 360. Now I also agree with Wombat that this is not a game that everybody wants. The content of the game is that, which sours allot of people to the game. But I think that a large percentage of people who buy consoles and games for consoles will want this game.
It was brought up that parenting and video games seem to be a real problem. I can not believe how many parents have problems reading the ESRB rating. Really I do not know how the ESRB can make it anymore easy.
Cheapy bring up that his Wii and PSP seem to be gathering dust, made me look over my video game collection. By the way my PSP is a little dusty but nothing like the sounds of Cheapy’s little black beast. It got me to thinking and I looked at the consoles that I hardly play, and the games that I have bought and never finished or some never even opened. Is this common among other CAG’s? I know I am trying to work through my wall of shame. I am hoping that by this time next year I will have gotten through the ten or so games that I bought and have not finished, and gotten through the five games that I have not even touched yet.
Last but not least everyone seems baffled by why the Wii and the DS are constantly sold out. Because when they are sold out it gives the appearance that they are something special. Right now I think Nintendo needs to create idea that the Wii is special, because there are not a lot of games to make it special. The DS on the other hand I think they keep the supply down to generate press. The fact that they are sold out generates news. There by creating even more demand.
One thing that should define next gen games is multiplayer options. If it makes sense in the game there should be split screen options for multiplayer same console, there should be system link and obviously online support. Now there should also be split screen system link and split screen online support. Although for online support I would probably be ok with not allowing split screen in ranked games. But allot of the time my friends and I will get three or four XBox consoles in one house bring over a projector and hook the rest up to TVs and play for an evening. So games like Halo are one of only a few choices we can all play. So I think it is very important for multiplayer options to be robust.
Cheapy, maybe your Wii is flashing because you have people who want to be your friend, and they are hoping to see a giant bald me in a Kimono show up on their Mii parade. Or it could be Nintendo bothering you about some channel that nobody really wants. I am no expert, but with that bad Australian accent you may have offend most of your Australian listeners! Just Kidding! The reason that your Wii is sitting blinking at you and your batteries are dead is because there are no good games, and there are no multiplayer games. Come on Nintendo you bring us a console that has what I would say has the beginning of last gen graphics and no online multiplayer. There are so many games that are out for the Wii that would be great multiplayer games Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, Red Turd, Excite Truck, and Tiger Wood Golf. These are games that are screaming multi player but oh that’s right you released your console before it was ready….Hmmmm what other company does that remind us all of? But it is funny how nobody rags on Nintendo for releasing their console early.
I really had to laugh at Cheapy’s comment “I think of home and I think I am excited.” When I see a hot naked stripper I know I am excited, when I see another tie for Father’s day I try to act excited. There is so little for people to get excited about the PS3 that now we all try really hard to get excited about something…anything, so we can be excited about this platform. Really I am beginning to think I paid $535 for a shiny black box that plays Blu-Ray disks. Let’s hope this next round of games will pump some life into the PS3. As for Resistance I completely agree with you, that the experience is just not at the level as Call of Duty, or Gears of War. I know for me at least it is the lack of rumble, there just is no way to feel the explostions or realize when you are taking some bullets. But I also think the game lacks the feeling of the chaos of combat.
I agree with both Cheapy and Wombat about GTA being a game for everybody even though they seemed to disagree about it. I agree with Cheapy that buying Take Two would make GTA exclusive to XBox, and that this would be a game that sells lots of consoles. It is well known that GTA:SA pushed the sales of a lot of PS2s. So I agree that having GTA exclusive to the 360 would be something that lots people would want and could drive the sales of the 360. Now I also agree with Wombat that this is not a game that everybody wants. The content of the game is that, which sours allot of people to the game. But I think that a large percentage of people who buy consoles and games for consoles will want this game.
It was brought up that parenting and video games seem to be a real problem. I can not believe how many parents have problems reading the ESRB rating. Really I do not know how the ESRB can make it anymore easy.
Cheapy bring up that his Wii and PSP seem to be gathering dust, made me look over my video game collection. By the way my PSP is a little dusty but nothing like the sounds of Cheapy’s little black beast. It got me to thinking and I looked at the consoles that I hardly play, and the games that I have bought and never finished or some never even opened. Is this common among other CAG’s? I know I am trying to work through my wall of shame. I am hoping that by this time next year I will have gotten through the ten or so games that I bought and have not finished, and gotten through the five games that I have not even touched yet.
Last but not least everyone seems baffled by why the Wii and the DS are constantly sold out. Because when they are sold out it gives the appearance that they are something special. Right now I think Nintendo needs to create idea that the Wii is special, because there are not a lot of games to make it special. The DS on the other hand I think they keep the supply down to generate press. The fact that they are sold out generates news. There by creating even more demand.
supergrass
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Regarding Cheapy's feelings toward Resistance, I tend to agree with him. It's a good game and the online is very impressive in many ways, but the game simply lacks a soul. Whether it's no rumble or the stale narrative or the lack of people talking to each other online, it's just missing the elements that immerse you into the experience.
And I think this is something that has plagued my PS3 experience. Everything about the system feels like it has no soul. The issues that Resistance has carries over to other games and its online component is so lacking. Let's hope Home helps out, though I tend to agree that I don't want to move an avatar around simply to download a movie. But there's great potential there.
And I think this is something that has plagued my PS3 experience. Everything about the system feels like it has no soul. The issues that Resistance has carries over to other games and its online component is so lacking. Let's hope Home helps out, though I tend to agree that I don't want to move an avatar around simply to download a movie. But there's great potential there.
jonnyflash
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Hey Cheapy,
I love the show but I have to question the constant criticism that you have for virtual console games and their prices. You mentioned on the last episode that you thought excitebike was way overpriced, Splatterhouse was a stretch at 600 points and you completly passed over Beyond Oasis. My question is why don't you complain about games like TMNT for the Xbox live arcade? I played it last week, and despite the fun of reliving my pizza fueled youth, my friend and I took 40 minutes or so to beat the whole game. I can't imagine playing it ever again, despite the online play. Its just not that great a game, aside from the nostalgia factor. I don't think it was worth $5, especailly since it was bascially, as you said, an advertisement for the new movie. A free download, even a $1 price? That'd be worth it. As it was, I felt ripped off, especailly since I realized that being able to continue infinetly greatly diminishes the fun of arcade games of this type. The game really hasn't aged well, and with only multiplayer I'm not impressed.
On the other hand, I bought Splatterhouse, yet another TG-16 game I've never played since I never owned a TG-16, and I've been having a lot of fun with it. It is a really good game, and it certainly has more than 40 minutes of gameplay in it. And if Beyond Oasis is anything like other Genesis RPGs, it probably has hours of gameplay as well. As for excitebike, I'll probably play it a lot more than I'll play TMNT, and for the same price I'm getting more than my money's worth.
For me, I like to get bang for my buck. TMNT was bascially a one-time play, but the other's might keep me coming back to the console. Let's get some love for games that give some gameplay for your money, not just nostaliga for our days in the arcade.
I love the show but I have to question the constant criticism that you have for virtual console games and their prices. You mentioned on the last episode that you thought excitebike was way overpriced, Splatterhouse was a stretch at 600 points and you completly passed over Beyond Oasis. My question is why don't you complain about games like TMNT for the Xbox live arcade? I played it last week, and despite the fun of reliving my pizza fueled youth, my friend and I took 40 minutes or so to beat the whole game. I can't imagine playing it ever again, despite the online play. Its just not that great a game, aside from the nostalgia factor. I don't think it was worth $5, especailly since it was bascially, as you said, an advertisement for the new movie. A free download, even a $1 price? That'd be worth it. As it was, I felt ripped off, especailly since I realized that being able to continue infinetly greatly diminishes the fun of arcade games of this type. The game really hasn't aged well, and with only multiplayer I'm not impressed.
On the other hand, I bought Splatterhouse, yet another TG-16 game I've never played since I never owned a TG-16, and I've been having a lot of fun with it. It is a really good game, and it certainly has more than 40 minutes of gameplay in it. And if Beyond Oasis is anything like other Genesis RPGs, it probably has hours of gameplay as well. As for excitebike, I'll probably play it a lot more than I'll play TMNT, and for the same price I'm getting more than my money's worth.
For me, I like to get bang for my buck. TMNT was bascially a one-time play, but the other's might keep me coming back to the console. Let's get some love for games that give some gameplay for your money, not just nostaliga for our days in the arcade.
jonnyflash
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Oh, and speaking of "everybody games," I think that if you're talking about something that will help Msoft or Sony establish dominance in the living room as a home entertainment center, I think that GTA is totally wrong. Madden has a much broader appeal, mainly since people are already familiar with the concept(football) and don't have to make the same kind of jump that you do if you play GTA. Some people mention Wii Sports, but honestly the market for home entertainment doesn't need to appeal to Moms and Grandparents. It needs young men, since idiots like us spend the most money on stuff like movies, music and video games. Just try convincing your grandmother she needs an HDTV. Halo is another good everybody game, since it is simple enough that you can pick up and play really quickly, even if you are new.
But Wombat is probably right. Madden is the best everybody game. GTA might be a better "every-gamer" game, but people who aren't into video games generally won't play it.
But Wombat is probably right. Madden is the best everybody game. GTA might be a better "every-gamer" game, but people who aren't into video games generally won't play it.
jonnyflash
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Sorry about the many replies, but I have to say in closing that although I found the interview boring as all hell, the main part of this cagcast was one of the best since I started listening.
It was the first time I've ever laughed out loud at a cagcast. When cheapy said that only plumbing that the guy who does mario's voice ever sees is in a guy's rear, I nearly fell out of my chair.
It was the first time I've ever laughed out loud at a cagcast. When cheapy said that only plumbing that the guy who does mario's voice ever sees is in a guy's rear, I nearly fell out of my chair.
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I am curious where did you get your degree in psychology, or in socialolgy? Have you met Cheapy and or Wombat in real life? Maybe you were hanging out with all the Wombat’s by the pool last weekend, and you know Wombat is a shovel wielding mass murderer. And through listening to Cheapy for an hour a week you were some how able to determine that he is some meth cooking evolutionary throw back who would be able to take care of his young? Where do you get off saying that “Wombat and CheapyD neither have children of their own nor seem to be the types that would be very good with kids”. Honestly that is like me telling you that Tricia Helfer’s breasts would fit perfectly in my hands. I do not know that, I can not prove that (although proving this fact I think would be a great experiment). You have absolutely no proof in saying that Cheapy or Wombat could not successfully raise a child, and certainly have no substance to back up such a statement. I guess in short get off your high horse.
I have a fifteen year old, and a nineteen month old. So I guess I feel somewhat qualified to talk on this matter of parenting and mature rated content.
When it comes to M rated video games, I would like to keep my daughter from playing them. But when it comes right down to it the music they listen to, the television they watch, and the stuff they can do at a friends house it is very hard to completely shield them from content that is considered mature. One time I was playing Grand Theft Auto and my oldest daughter came home. I did not hear her otherwise I would have turned off the game and played something else. She saw me playing, we talked about it for a while, and I let her play for about an hour. We talked about what is acceptable in the world of video games, and what is acceptable in the real world. About three weeks later were were at the mall and someone pulled out in front of us at the parking area. My daughter looked at me and said “If we were playing GTA, we could so get out of the car and hand them a beating.” Now had she said we should get out of the car and kick the sh!t out of them, I would have been concerned. But the fact that she could separate the virtual world, from the real world make me comfortable in letting her play games under my supervision that my not be rated for a person of her age. Her and I play Gears of War together, Mario Kart together, Contra, and Doom. When she asks I let her play GTA, and Crackdown. But since they are not forbidden fruit she plays for a while, but honestly she seems to play Viva Pinata, Burnout Revenge, Wario Ware, Trauma Center more then the violent shooters or GTA style games. Now I will say that I noticed that when she started playing these mature games her language habits seemed to be affected and we had to have another conversation about using four letter words, and if it did not stop her certain video games would not be allowed. So I would say to you that you are right, that as mere mortals we can not completely protect our children. But I think no matter how many children you have, it is your responsibility to talk to them about that content and help them make responsible decisions. And that is something that any parent has time to do.
I am curious where did you get your degree in psychology, or in socialolgy? Have you met Cheapy and or Wombat in real life? Maybe you were hanging out with all the Wombat’s by the pool last weekend, and you know Wombat is a shovel wielding mass murderer. And through listening to Cheapy for an hour a week you were some how able to determine that he is some meth cooking evolutionary throw back who would be able to take care of his young? Where do you get off saying that “Wombat and CheapyD neither have children of their own nor seem to be the types that would be very good with kids”. Honestly that is like me telling you that Tricia Helfer’s breasts would fit perfectly in my hands. I do not know that, I can not prove that (although proving this fact I think would be a great experiment). You have absolutely no proof in saying that Cheapy or Wombat could not successfully raise a child, and certainly have no substance to back up such a statement. I guess in short get off your high horse.
I have a fifteen year old, and a nineteen month old. So I guess I feel somewhat qualified to talk on this matter of parenting and mature rated content.
When it comes to M rated video games, I would like to keep my daughter from playing them. But when it comes right down to it the music they listen to, the television they watch, and the stuff they can do at a friends house it is very hard to completely shield them from content that is considered mature. One time I was playing Grand Theft Auto and my oldest daughter came home. I did not hear her otherwise I would have turned off the game and played something else. She saw me playing, we talked about it for a while, and I let her play for about an hour. We talked about what is acceptable in the world of video games, and what is acceptable in the real world. About three weeks later were were at the mall and someone pulled out in front of us at the parking area. My daughter looked at me and said “If we were playing GTA, we could so get out of the car and hand them a beating.” Now had she said we should get out of the car and kick the sh!t out of them, I would have been concerned. But the fact that she could separate the virtual world, from the real world make me comfortable in letting her play games under my supervision that my not be rated for a person of her age. Her and I play Gears of War together, Mario Kart together, Contra, and Doom. When she asks I let her play GTA, and Crackdown. But since they are not forbidden fruit she plays for a while, but honestly she seems to play Viva Pinata, Burnout Revenge, Wario Ware, Trauma Center more then the violent shooters or GTA style games. Now I will say that I noticed that when she started playing these mature games her language habits seemed to be affected and we had to have another conversation about using four letter words, and if it did not stop her certain video games would not be allowed. So I would say to you that you are right, that as mere mortals we can not completely protect our children. But I think no matter how many children you have, it is your responsibility to talk to them about that content and help them make responsible decisions. And that is something that any parent has time to do.
Monsta Mack
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Damn the profit margin for games is really scary. Hate to see whats going on when games drop in price. Well doesn't matter when the store pays $45 and it drops cheaper anyways, thats the retailers loss.
The thing about GTA, is that Wombat is right. You don't see Mom, Pop, and Little Jimmy gathering around the TV to play GTA. It is the every teenage person game. I would agree with that. However, Madden really isn't the everybody game either. It is all around age appropriate, but not everybody is able to play it well.
My ideal "Everybody game" would either be wii sports or warioware: smooth moves for the Wii. Whenever people come to my house, they always ask to play one of those two games, and EVERYONE gets into it. Anyway, just my two cents.
Oh, and the Meatspin thing is priceless. Why has no one on CAG heard meatspin before?
My ideal "Everybody game" would either be wii sports or warioware: smooth moves for the Wii. Whenever people come to my house, they always ask to play one of those two games, and EVERYONE gets into it. Anyway, just my two cents.
Oh, and the Meatspin thing is priceless. Why has no one on CAG heard meatspin before?
Damn it for having a decent computer. I was on meatspin in seconds. I suppose I've gotten used to the humor on the show though as I laughed hysterically initially before closing after 7 spins and getting in the corner in the fetal position. Nicely played Cheapy.
BTW, however did you stumble upon the link may I ask? First a movie of you downing a large sausage, now this, has gotten me quite puzzled. Something to think about.
BTW, however did you stumble upon the link may I ask? First a movie of you downing a large sausage, now this, has gotten me quite puzzled. Something to think about.
Gshocker
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OK.. Another great show.. I think the length is good as long as there is decent content to fill it and for now it seems you are having no problems filling the show with interesting conversation.
I listened to the show a few hours after it was posted but my eye's are just now starting to function correctly again after having them burned by meatspin.com. I know I should not have gone there but if you tell someone not to you know they will. Oh the pain.. I think I have been scared for life now.
I also like Resistance and the single player is fun but I agree that many portions of the multiplayer seem to be lacking. Maybe it is just the community that is playing at the moment.. I even missed (only for a second) those stupid kids screaming obsenities during a deathmatch. While I am having fun it does seem a bit more barron in general. This could also have to do with the fact I have far fewer friends on the PS3 than on the 360.
Keep up the great work.. Can't wait for next weeks show.. Maybe by then when you say don't go to a site I wil llisten (probably not).
I listened to the show a few hours after it was posted but my eye's are just now starting to function correctly again after having them burned by meatspin.com. I know I should not have gone there but if you tell someone not to you know they will. Oh the pain.. I think I have been scared for life now.
I also like Resistance and the single player is fun but I agree that many portions of the multiplayer seem to be lacking. Maybe it is just the community that is playing at the moment.. I even missed (only for a second) those stupid kids screaming obsenities during a deathmatch. While I am having fun it does seem a bit more barron in general. This could also have to do with the fact I have far fewer friends on the PS3 than on the 360.
Keep up the great work.. Can't wait for next weeks show.. Maybe by then when you say don't go to a site I wil llisten (probably not).
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Cheapy -- another excellent Cagcast (uh, meatspin notwithstanding) and I was truly impressed by your interview with Justin Leeper. You asked all the right questions and had an easy-going interview style that it took me, as a journalist, several years (and countless lame interviews) to develop. I thought Justin's take on freelance game journalism was interesting, but as a freelancer now myself (I don't write about games, usually, but about technology in general), I have a slightly different take on the job -- and since you have readers/listeners who are curious freelance writing, I thought I'd chime in:
First, it's sort of a myth that freelancers make their own hours. Yes, you almost never work the typical nine-to-five (or nine-to-seven-plus, as most journalism jobs tend to be), but freelancing is a feast or famine sort of gig, and when works is offered, it's hard to say no (you start thinking of everything you can buy with that paycheck). Once you take an assignment, your editor's schedule is now your schedule. Multiply that by several simultaneous assignments (if you're lucky enough to get them) and you can see that a successful freelancer has very little room to carve out downtime on their own terms. Having worked as both a staff writer (meaning, I worked at and for a specific magazine) and a freelancer, I can tell you that while, yes, I can now pop out to go to Starbucks at 3 p.m. without anyone giving me a look, it's far harder to plan vacations and even long weekends. Some editor, at some publication, is going to be working those days, and they're going to be expecting to be able to reach me (and if they don't reach me, I always run the risk that they'll find someone else next time).
The other point I wanted to make was about fees. Print publications -- while perhaps far harder to break into than online (I started as an intern in college -- a major computer magazine tended to raid my school for free summer labor -- and that got my foot in the door, where it has been jammed ever since) -- generally pay far above the rates Justin mentioned (for one thing, they generally pay by the word, and at a higher rate than the typical Web site. That said, it still leaves a lot to be desired). Plus, a clever freelancer will find ways to 'repurpose' content, writing about similar things for different outlets, so he's not starting from square one on work each time (of course, some outlets -- particular print publications -- have strict rules about this, though there is usually wiggle room, particularly if they like you (and more importantly, your writing). Maybe game reviews work differently, but this is generally how it goes with freelance journalism.
All that said, Justin raises a very valid point: When reviews are assigned to freelancers, it is almost impossible for them to go through products/games as throughly as readers may expect (or, rightly, demand). For this, blame the publication. Whether online or print, most media outlets work on tight budgets (they have money, but it's going to the sales guys and the PR events, not the writers and editors and art directors -- because that, alas, is how journalism works). They've decimated their in-house staffs so there are precious few staff writers (who COULD afford to play with games and products thoroughly because they're getting a set paycheck each week no matter what they work on), and increasingly, they're relying on freelancers. But because they generally want their freelancers to work cheap (and even print publications pay far less than they should), and freelancers need to eat, it is impractical for them to spend 40 hours with a product and THEN write and re-write a review. Keep in mind, too, that most editors assign reviews on short notice and expect quick turnarounds. So considering all of these factors, the sad truth is, unless the system changes, you're only going to see an increasing amount of 'cursory' reviews. I love my job -- I just wish I was given the resources I need to do it even better. And I'm sure every other freelancer out there would agree. None of us do it for the money (that's what marriage and Lotto are for), but gee -- the mags and sites really need to get their act together if, long-term, they're going to keep their readers happy.
First, it's sort of a myth that freelancers make their own hours. Yes, you almost never work the typical nine-to-five (or nine-to-seven-plus, as most journalism jobs tend to be), but freelancing is a feast or famine sort of gig, and when works is offered, it's hard to say no (you start thinking of everything you can buy with that paycheck). Once you take an assignment, your editor's schedule is now your schedule. Multiply that by several simultaneous assignments (if you're lucky enough to get them) and you can see that a successful freelancer has very little room to carve out downtime on their own terms. Having worked as both a staff writer (meaning, I worked at and for a specific magazine) and a freelancer, I can tell you that while, yes, I can now pop out to go to Starbucks at 3 p.m. without anyone giving me a look, it's far harder to plan vacations and even long weekends. Some editor, at some publication, is going to be working those days, and they're going to be expecting to be able to reach me (and if they don't reach me, I always run the risk that they'll find someone else next time).
The other point I wanted to make was about fees. Print publications -- while perhaps far harder to break into than online (I started as an intern in college -- a major computer magazine tended to raid my school for free summer labor -- and that got my foot in the door, where it has been jammed ever since) -- generally pay far above the rates Justin mentioned (for one thing, they generally pay by the word, and at a higher rate than the typical Web site. That said, it still leaves a lot to be desired). Plus, a clever freelancer will find ways to 'repurpose' content, writing about similar things for different outlets, so he's not starting from square one on work each time (of course, some outlets -- particular print publications -- have strict rules about this, though there is usually wiggle room, particularly if they like you (and more importantly, your writing). Maybe game reviews work differently, but this is generally how it goes with freelance journalism.
All that said, Justin raises a very valid point: When reviews are assigned to freelancers, it is almost impossible for them to go through products/games as throughly as readers may expect (or, rightly, demand). For this, blame the publication. Whether online or print, most media outlets work on tight budgets (they have money, but it's going to the sales guys and the PR events, not the writers and editors and art directors -- because that, alas, is how journalism works). They've decimated their in-house staffs so there are precious few staff writers (who COULD afford to play with games and products thoroughly because they're getting a set paycheck each week no matter what they work on), and increasingly, they're relying on freelancers. But because they generally want their freelancers to work cheap (and even print publications pay far less than they should), and freelancers need to eat, it is impractical for them to spend 40 hours with a product and THEN write and re-write a review. Keep in mind, too, that most editors assign reviews on short notice and expect quick turnarounds. So considering all of these factors, the sad truth is, unless the system changes, you're only going to see an increasing amount of 'cursory' reviews. I love my job -- I just wish I was given the resources I need to do it even better. And I'm sure every other freelancer out there would agree. None of us do it for the money (that's what marriage and Lotto are for), but gee -- the mags and sites really need to get their act together if, long-term, they're going to keep their readers happy.
level1online
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Though Madden may have a much broader appeal than GTA, I don't think either one of those games qualify as an "Everybody Game". I would say Sonic, Mario, or Pac Man are more like "Everyone Games" because they have that "pick-up & play" aspect to them.
But I do agree, the full acquisition of either the Madden or GTA franchise can do some serious harm to the competition.
Anyways, on the subject of parenting (I'm not a parent, so I may be wrong when I say this), I feel that since a parent cannot possibly be protective of thier child 24/7, I do feel it is the responsibility of the parent to educate their teen on a couple key points / life lessons:
1) Don't believe everything you see on TV, especially the News.
2) The Public School System is designed to dumb you down.
3) When in doubt, read a book... preferibly the bible.
But yeah, if I had a child that wanted to play, for example: "Chainsaw Rapist IV", I'd let him, but make him aware of any consequences that may arise from playing such a game while reinforcing my key points (see above).
I'd remind the Blockbuster/Gamestop employee who was trying to deter from buying the game that, "Hey, we still live in a supposed free country, right?" and tell him to mind his own f'n business next time (but in a nice way)
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But I do agree, the full acquisition of either the Madden or GTA franchise can do some serious harm to the competition.
Anyways, on the subject of parenting (I'm not a parent, so I may be wrong when I say this), I feel that since a parent cannot possibly be protective of thier child 24/7, I do feel it is the responsibility of the parent to educate their teen on a couple key points / life lessons:
1) Don't believe everything you see on TV, especially the News.
2) The Public School System is designed to dumb you down.
3) When in doubt, read a book... preferibly the bible.
But yeah, if I had a child that wanted to play, for example: "Chainsaw Rapist IV", I'd let him, but make him aware of any consequences that may arise from playing such a game while reinforcing my key points (see above).
I'd remind the Blockbuster/Gamestop employee who was trying to deter from buying the game that, "Hey, we still live in a supposed free country, right?" and tell him to mind his own f'n business next time (but in a nice way)
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Cheapy is totally right about GTA being an everyone game. While Madden is an everyone game for football fans, the GTA games are truly everyone games for nearly everyone (except families and young children). The three main GTA games outsold the best selling Madden game in total unit sales for the PS2 by nearly 2 million.
For me personally GTA was huge among my casual gaming friends. For some it was even a system seller, and most bought few games besides GTA.
For me personally GTA was huge among my casual gaming friends. For some it was even a system seller, and most bought few games besides GTA.
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