CAGLS: Madden 13 Gentlemen's League - We Finished! Thanks for Playing!

[quote name='Docb9110']Can Troys sister come? Hajaha sorry Troy I had to dude![/QUOTE]

Sorry. She's already over here!

I am sorry Troy. I am sure your sister's nice.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']Sorry. She's already over here!

I am sorry Troy. I am sure your sister's nice.[/QUOTE]

Oh trust me. She is.
 
Anybody wanna trade me a QB I could have make some big plays in my game but Fitzdirt over threw them. I might how to go to my ovr 61 undrafted rookie he has better passing stats the flitzpatrick.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Um...doc, are we still confused on the procedure for closing out a game? 24-7 game. Opponent kicks a field goal to make it 24-10. Then he kicks the ball deep with 1:20 left...and you throw on 1st down? How many times do we need to go over this, people?[/QUOTE]

At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.
 
[quote name='Wpark83']At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.[/QUOTE]

While this shot is cheap and unneeded and really doesn't deserve a response, here goes. I played Steggy last night and his run defense is lacking, to put it mildly. I found myself up 21-0 with quite a bit of time left in the first quarter. I let my foot off the gas and it was 28-28 before I knew it. The Vikings were right to keep on playing, and I'm sure there was no intention of embarrassing Steggy.

I've played Kaster enough in this league, both this year and last, to know that he doesn't play like a shithead. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this opinion.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Slofton is DVO?[/QUOTE]

Haha no. I was talking about my trade that was approved but is still in the air.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']While this shot is cheap and unneeded and really doesn't deserve a response, here goes. I played Steggy last night and his run defense is lacking, to put it mildly. I found myself up 21-0 with quite a bit of time left in the first quarter. I let my foot off the gas and it was 28-28 before I knew it. The Vikings were right to keep on playing, and I'm sure there was no intention of embarrassing Steggy.

I've played Kaster enough in this league, both this year and last, to know that he doesn't play like a shithead. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this opinion.[/QUOTE]

All you have to do is look at the stats in that game to know this. Packers turned the ball over 7 times and Vikings only threw the ball 9 times while rushing 32 times. If I turned the ball over that many times and couldn't stop the run in obvious situations, I deserve to get stomped and probably would too.
 
[quote name='slofton']Guess I swung and missed with the CPU trade thing huh?[/QUOTE]

No, I agree with you. That trade was approved before the Colts owner bailed. Honestly, it was a miracle that DVO was able to get Luck away from the guy before he vanished entirely. I've discussed your situation with some committee members, but we need to formally go over it. The basic gist is that Indy only has 2 TE, and therefore can't trade Davis.

I think you had mentioned supplementing them with another TE (which would actually balance out since they were originally supposed to get a 3rd round pick anyway). I haven't had time to look at your roster to know who you even have available, but if you want to make a proposal with a TE added into the deal, we can look at it.

[quote name='Wpark83']At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.[/QUOTE]

Unless you have a specific case to raise with evidence to support it, I don't see how posts like this are helpful. It's always been stated that running the ball is pretty much the most simple and basic thing you can do to keep the game moving (unless you'd rather just have people punting on 1st down). It's also how real NFL teams approach the end of the game with a big lead.

But there still has to be some kind of onus on the losing team to play defense and at least try to stop the run. Looking at the boxscore, the Vikings had 163 passing yards and 185 rushing yards. Hard to really make a case that he was "airing the ball out" with those numbers. He threw the ball 9 times and rushed it 32 times, and I can almost guarantee not one of those passing attempts came in the 4th quarter.

The "don't run up the score rule" is really to prevent people from going 5 wide and going for 40 yard passing plays in the 4th quarter just because they've been doing it all game. That's not how teams play in the NFL...and it's not how teams should be playing in here. But if somebody runs the ball and the defense just doesn't tackle him, they're going to score...which is exactly what would happen in real life.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']But if somebody runs the ball and the defense just doesn't tackle him, they're going to score...which is exactly what would happen in real life.[/QUOTE]

Most people including I've played aswell as myself have just taken dives if there going to score and just run the clock out that way.

I feel that people will and are going to say well n8 said if the defensive cant tackle my guy then it's ok to score as a defense to running up the score.
 
[quote name='Wpark83']At least it wasn't 49-7. You can obviously tell when guys are running up score, I'd have no problem with this.[/QUOTE]

Quick, before possibly taking vague potshots at me, know a few things:
1) I threw either 1 or 0 passes in the second half, I can't quite remember. Either way, that seems reasonable.
2) There's a reason I pointed out Peterson's 30 touches to Ponder's 9.
3) Most of my drives started inside his 40.
4) The entire fourth quarter I ran the exact same play. Iso out of the I-Form to Peterson. Every time.

Steggy never said he had an issue with how I played. If he did, I apologize and will gladly take a strike or warning or whatever.

Also, in case this wasn't a vague potshot at me, well, it's still good to explain it from my side.

Cool? Cool.
 
[quote name='GpNinja']Most people including I've played aswell as myself have just taken dives if there going to score and just run the clock out that way.

I feel that people will and are going to say well n8 said if the defensive cant tackle my guy then it's ok to score as a defense to running up the score.[/QUOTE]

See, I never busted a big run. It was pretty consistently 8-12 yard gains. Obviously, if I'm at my own 20 and I'm in the open, I'm not going to run all the way. But I'm also not going to just take a knee with four minutes left, and if I'm going to press X to dive at the line of scrimmage instead of picking up 8-12 yards, that's just as pointless.
 
[quote name='GpNinja']Most people including I've played aswell as myself have just taken dives if there going to score and just run the clock out that way.

I feel that people will and are going to say well n8 said if the defensive cant tackle my guy then it's ok to score as a defense to running up the score.[/QUOTE]

My opinion has always been that that's going above and beyond. It wouldn't happen in real life, so it's not reasonable to expect people to do it in here. To me, it's a balance between not being a complete dick and not being totally patronizing either. We've already had people make the argument that being restricted to running already puts you at a disadvantage because "the defense knows what's coming". So, if they know what's coming, they shouldn't be giving up huge running plays (if they're calling the right plays).

The real problem is people making mistakes and giving up the big play. If you only allow your opponent to nickel and dime you down the field, it's real easy to eat up an entire quarter on one drive. If you're losing 45-0 and start blitzing the house because you're mad and you think that's how you stop the run, it's your fault if you get burned because you're being too aggressive with your playcalling trying to prove a point or whatever (not saying at all that that's what steggy did...just using it as an example). 95% of the time, a simple 4-3, Cover 1 defense is good enough to prevent a big rushing play.

As it's always been, the main objective is chewing up clock and allowing the game to end. Running the ball does that. If we're going to tell people to never score in the 4th quarter while running the ball either, then we basically need to set some kind of "cut off point" for what a "reasonable lead" is. To me, there has to be a compromise on both sides. The winning team is still allowed to move the ball and eat up the clock. And the losing team gets a chance to stop their opponent by having a better idea of what play is coming. In a game that's out of hand in the 4th quarter, I feel like that's about as good as you can do.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']See, I never busted a big run. It was pretty consistently 8-12 yard gains. Obviously, if I'm at my own 20 and I'm in the open, I'm not going to run all the way. But I'm also not going to just take a knee with four minutes left, and if I'm going to press X to dive at the line of scrimmage instead of picking up 8-12 yards, that's just as pointless.[/QUOTE]

I mean't if your going to score people take a dive to prevent it like "busted a big run".
 
I personally would dive to keep the clock running if my rb broke open. That doesn't seem right to me. I'd personally sub in my back up though. Less better back and also prevents injury to my starter.
 
[quote name='slofton']I personally would dive to keep the clock running if my rb broke open. That doesn't seem right to me. I'd personally sub in my back up though. Less better back and also prevents injury to my starter.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't*
 
[quote name='slofton']Wouldn't*[/QUOTE]

So if your up 45-0 and you broke free in the 4th you'd take it too the house?
 
Yes. I've been in that side of the score a LOT. My opponent would break one open and run it in. It never bothered me. He's got back ups and running basic run plays and still scores? Shame on me then. I don't want my hand held and to be spoon fed. I don't want a ribbon for coming in last.
 
[quote name='slofton']Yes. I've been in that side of the score a LOT. My opponent would break one open and run it in. It never bothered me. He's got back ups and running basic run plays and still scores? Shame on me then. I don't want my hand held and to be spoon fed. I don't want a ribbon for coming in last.[/QUOTE]

Well in that case am going to stop diving and and score lol.
 
[quote name='GpNinja']So if your up 45-0 and you broke free in the 4th you'd take it too the house?[/QUOTE]

If his opponent is making bad defensive play calls, why shouldn't he? I'll admit, if I broke an 80 yard run or something, I might feel kind of bad and maybe would just dive. But I still think it's not reasonable to EXPECT that of somebody. There still has to be an accountability for the losing team. We can't just have the games turning into "Well, my opponent isn't allowed to score anymore, so I'm just going to call Engage Eight on every play or run a goalline defense at the 30 yard line."

I've said the same thing with turnovers. If you're losing 45-0 and you keep forcing bad passes, resulting in INTs, what is your opponent supposed to do? Allowing the game to end is a responsibility that lies with both parties. If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I've been known to run the ball and chew clock, myself. Why? Because I just want the beating to be over with. It's not fair to just put the entire blame on the winning team. If taking a beating bothers you, show your opponent that you're done trying to score, and then it DOES become his responsibility to show you the same kindness. It's a two-way street.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports'] If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I've been known to run the ball and chew clock, myself. Why? Because I just want the beating to be over with. It's not fair to just put the entire blame on the winning team. If taking a beating bothers you, show your opponent that you're done trying to score, and then it DOES become his responsibility to show you the same kindness. It's a two-way street.[/QUOTE]


This. 110%
 
[quote name='jza1218']If I'm down by more than two scores, which happens a lot, I stop trying to pass the ball. Just End This Game![/QUOTE]

Quick! Score two TDs in the first quarter! :)
 
Yeah, if I'm getting my ass kicked and my opponent breaks a run, I have no issue with him scoring either. Its still my responsibility to try and stop you from getting into the endzone and if I fail at that? Shame on me and I should pay for it by getting an even worse final score.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']While this shot is cheap and unneeded and really doesn't deserve a response, here goes. I played Steggy last night and his run defense is lacking, to put it mildly. I found myself up 21-0 with quite a bit of time left in the first quarter. I let my foot off the gas and it was 28-28 before I knew it. The Vikings were right to keep on playing, and I'm sure there was no intention of embarrassing Steggy.

I've played Kaster enough in this league, both this year and last, to know that he doesn't play like a shithead. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this opinion.[/QUOTE]

No no no, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be a shot.

My reasoning for mentioning it is that no one mentioned anything about seeing a score like 49-7, but made a big deal about it. I don't think the score should ever dictate how you play, because in a video game you just never know what's going to happen. that's why with the whole throwing on first down thing up 11 or whatever, I don't see it as a big deal. It's just part of the game.

If on first down he started throwing hail marys, or going for it on 4th, or something that is obviously a slap in the face, that's another.

Didn't mean my comment as a slight to anyone, my apologies.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Quick, before possibly taking vague potshots at me, know a few things:
1) I threw either 1 or 0 passes in the second half, I can't quite remember. Either way, that seems reasonable.
2) There's a reason I pointed out Peterson's 30 touches to Ponder's 9.
3) Most of my drives started inside his 40.
4) The entire fourth quarter I ran the exact same play. Iso out of the I-Form to Peterson. Every time.

Steggy never said he had an issue with how I played. If he did, I apologize and will gladly take a strike or warning or whatever.

Also, in case this wasn't a vague potshot at me, well, it's still good to explain it from my side.

Cool? Cool.[/QUOTE]

Again, my apologies at such a vague post at midnight. I don't feel ANYONE should explain how they played. I think it's very clear when someone is playing like an asshole and when they aren't I don't think it should ever be dictated by score how you play the game. There are very belligerent things you can do in this game at any point, whether it's tied or you have a lead.
 
Looking to move WR Mathews and a 2nd rounder for a firat round pick. He can catch the ball all day
 
[quote name='DVO21']Looking to move WR Mathews and a 2nd rounder for a firat round pick. He can catch the ball all day[/QUOTE]

Pm me his stats! I'm willing to give up spiller?
 
[quote name='Wpark83']No no no, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be a shot.

My reasoning for mentioning it is that no one mentioned anything about seeing a score like 49-7, but made a big deal about it. I don't think the score should ever dictate how you play, because in a video game you just never know what's going to happen. that's why with the whole throwing on first down thing up 11 or whatever, I don't see it as a big deal. It's just part of the game.

If on first down he started throwing hail marys, or going for it on 4th, or something that is obviously a slap in the face, that's another.

Didn't mean my comment as a slight to anyone, my apologies.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't brought up because of the score though. I was told how the end of the game was handled...which is an issue that has come up before with this owner (not trying to make it a bigger issue, doc. Just explaning the situation for people who weren't here last time).

The purpose of this league is to play like a real coach. A real coach would have the presence of mind to recognize that his opponent had just kicked a field goal instead of trying for a TD and had kicked the ball deep instead of going for an onside kick. That might as well be waving a white flag (though an argument could be made that neither of those things would be likely to happen in real life...as it may be more likely for the losing team to just go for it on 4th down, and if they failed, then the winning team would DEFINITELY run the clock out).

But either way, with 1:20 left in the game, they are CLEARLY capable of running out the clock (or even just taking a knee depending on the timeout situation). A "need" to throw it on 1st down in that situation is not "part of the game". It's a douchey play call. The fact that the issue constantly comes up in here frightens me. I'll remind everyone that they're supposed to be playing with class and sportsmanship.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Lol omg you 2[/QUOTE]

Now, now. He might not be willing to give up Spiller. It feels very up in the air to me.

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[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']
The purpose of this league is to play like a real coach. A real coach would have the presence of mind to recognize that his opponent had just kicked a field goal instead of trying for a TD and had kicked the ball deep instead of going for an onside kick. [/QUOTE]

Unless your last name is Carroll. ;)

God, I hate that man.
 
[quote name='Wpark83']Unless your last name is Carroll. ;)

God, I hate that man.[/QUOTE]

Or Greg Schiano. But I try to hold our members to a higher standard than the shittiest coaches in the NFL, lol. We can do better than that.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Or Greg Schiano. But I try to hold our members to a higher standard than the shittiest coaches in the NFL, lol. We can do better than that.[/QUOTE]

Seahawks r in the playoffs cant be that bad
 
[quote name='DVO21']Seahawks r in the playoffs cant be that bad[/QUOTE]

Right but the Seahawks were running fake punts and going for it on fourth down while up by 35, that's the issue.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Or Greg Schiano. But I try to hold our members to a higher standard than the shittiest coaches in the NFL, lol. We can do better than that.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='KasterDB']Right but the Seahawks were running fake punts and going for it on fourth down while up by 35, that's the issue.[/QUOTE]

Ya i know it was a joke but i dont think pete carrol is a bad coach i think he has donw alot for that team be he comes off as a douche for thongs such as u mentiones above.
 
[quote name='DVO21']Ya i know it was a joke but i dont think pete carrol is a bad coach i think he has donw alot for that team be he comes off as a douche for thongs such as u mentiones above.[/QUOTE]

Yeah man, his thongs are gross.
 
[quote name='KasterDB']Right but the Seahawks were running fake punts and going for it on fourth down while up by 35, that's the issue.[/QUOTE]
assuming your talking about the bills seahawks game, I'm a huge bills fan and I was watching the whole game and I felt that the whole going for the fake punt outrage was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy overblown. I know why he did it. To make people spend that much more time preparing for it when they meet them. Now if this was a real league and we watched game tape of over teams (aka getting paid to do it) then I'd see the value in showing more of your wrinkles even when the game is blown out. But I really doubt many people are watching my replays, although you should, its a good time.
 
[quote name='Wpark83']Yeah man, his thongs are gross.[/QUOTE]

On my cell phone that wasnt the only mis type i noticed
 
[quote name='Wpark83']Again, my apologies at such a vague post at midnight. I don't feel ANYONE should explain how they played. I think it's very clear when someone is playing like an asshole and when they aren't I don't think it should ever be dictated by score how you play the game. There are very belligerent things you can do in this game at any point, whether it's tied or you have a lead.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate the apology, but I also appreciate you seeing a weird score line and wanting to know what's up. Obviously, next time take a look at the stats first ;)


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