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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/16/obama-bucks/
 
The president of the organization, Diane Fedele, didn’t understand the charges of racism: “I didn’t see it the way that it’s being taken. I never connected. It was just food to me.”
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:lol: ORLY, you just have every food item stereotypically tied to black people on your MSpaint abomination.
 
[quote name='homeland']...i'm assuming the kfc/ribs and koolaide/watermelon are just racist.. no actual meaning right?[/quote]

No mention of Sweet Potato Pie, though. Surprised they didn't mention that given the recent youtube video. But yeah, pretty racist. People like this make other Republicans seem a whole lot worse.
 
Wow, just...wow. To both the topic and the al jazeera video.

Can't say I haven't heard the same stuff here though. My mom has discussed with her mom, family, friends, how if Obama becomes president then "black people will think they can do whatever they want." I asked her if she thought that since there's a white president then she can do whatever she wants, but I don't think she's quite there.

Plenty of people still think that black people (or non-whites in general) are animals that require control. It's crazy how weird people get with half-white Obama presiding over a majority white House and Senate. Like that suddenly means white people are going to get put down or something. They just don't think.
 
The newsletter was sent to about 200 club members and associates last week by mail and e-mail.

Diane Fedele, president of the group, said the move had no racist intent.

"I never connected," she said. "It was just food to me. It didn't mean anything else."
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Is there anyone, and I mean anyone who would give that level of the benefit of a doubt?
 
[quote name='JolietJake']It'd be so easy to make a McCain one too.[/QUOTE]
Centrum Silver and strained peas?
 
[quote name='SpazX']Wow, just...wow. To both the topic and the al jazeera video.

Can't say I haven't heard the same stuff here though. My mom has discussed with her mom, family, friends, how if Obama becomes president then "black people will think they can do whatever they want." I asked her if she thought that since there's a white president then she can do whatever she wants, but I don't think she's quite there.

Plenty of people still think that black people (or non-whites in general) are animals that require control. It's crazy how weird people get with half-white Obama presiding over a majority white House and Senate. Like that suddenly means white people are going to get put down or something. They just don't think.[/QUOTE]

It's funny; I've personally heard the "they're animals" line repeatedly about Blacks, Arabs, and Muslims during the course of this election. I tend to think that the people saying that kind of thing are so afraid of someone non-white taking office because they know full well that they themselves would act on their racist tendencies if given the opportunity, and they can't imagine that other people aren't as bad as they are.

[quote name='level1online']"God Bless America and no place else"[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty good line. Is that from something?

[quote name='Msut77']Is there anyone, and I mean anyone who would give that level of the benefit of a doubt?[/QUOTE]

Oh, poor John McCain, being just battered by negative and ugly attacks. I can't imagine why a George Wallace comparison would have seemed appropriate. I'd love to see how far this would fly in the other direction: "Wha...? Oh, the little brush mustache on McCain in our fliers? Well, we just thought it would remind people of Charlie Chaplin. Everybody likes him, right?"
 
Not to bring this into this thread even though its already here. But this is the type of stuff that makes me laugh when young white people complain that black people "pull the race card" to much. I might make a different thread about this so I dont hijack this one but this is one of the things that really piss me off about white people.

As a black guy I can fully admit yes we do pull it a little to much but I stress little. out of 10? 6 are probably legit.

And it doesnt take an election to see it, there are so many balls to the walls racist its sickening but since they are not wearing KKK uni's white people excuse it and brush it off like its nothing. I hate the fact that white people just simply ignore or excuse when other whites are being completely balls out racist.

And there is phobias about everyone, Blacks kill and rape your kids, Muslims blow up your office, Mexicans steal your jobs. Then if anyone of us actually has a legit problem we have to go through 10 layers of bull about how we are just "pulling the race card."

Then you sit back drinking your starbucks saying "Hey Karl another black guy trying to pull the race card, by the way heard your daughter brought home a guy for you to meet, how did it go?"

"About that she tried to bring home some sand $$$$a wetback, had to put an end to that quick...if I dont want one in the white house I sure as hell dont want one in my house!"

And friend 1 will never call out friend 2 for being completely racist he will just ignore his racist remarks like nothing happened.
 
Needs more of a background. Also, couldn't hurt to put McCain in pajamas (old people go to bed early, blah blah blah)
 
[quote name='trq']
That's a pretty good line. Is that from something? [/quote]

It's from the movie Head of State. That's one of the slogans of Chris Rock's opponent in that movie.

I did a search to see if I can find you a clip of that, instead i came across this....

i couldn't resist, it gave me such a huge laugh, i had to post it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKa5BN1c4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNDhpJTOtwk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNmAdxwect8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWWDv8_BN2Y
 
i know a donkey is a democratic thing, but she should have made him a monkey. i mean it would have fit a whole lot more.

this isnt the only thing crazy the california gop is doing, the sacramento county gop website up until about 48 hours ago had "info" about barack obama, and had stuff like "water board barack obama"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/16/MNBA13HOHK.DTL

also, sounds like the article talks about the group you posted about myke, it might be worth noting they are not affiliated with the party, other than being registered republican. however the part im talking about was on the official website.
 
You mean they aren't affiliated with the McCain's campaign?
Well I guess your guilt by association argument doesn't fly here, myke. Nice try, though.


And I don't get the Kool-aid thing. Is Kool-Aid drinking a racial stereotype?
 
What's the actual definition of racism? Doesn't it have to be discrimination / offensive or something? I don't know and I'm lazy. The kfc/bbq/kool aid/watermelon is just stereotypical of blacks, I wouldn't really call it racism, but maybe it is racism iunno.

I really don't think it's any more offensive than having some white guy in an argyle sweater playing tennis (stereotypical white)... I don't think the racial imagery is necessary but I also don't think it's offensive.
 
[quote name='Koggit']What's the actual definition of racism? Doesn't it have to be discrimination / offensive or something? I don't know and I'm lazy. The kfc/bbq/kool aid/watermelon is just stereotypical of blacks, I wouldn't really call it racism, but maybe it is racism iunno.

I really don't think it's any more offensive than having some white guy in an argyle sweater playing tennis (stereotypical white)... I don't think the racial imagery is necessary but I also don't think it's offensive.[/quote]

To put it simply: People don't know what racism is, so they think everything's racist.
 
Wait, what? It's not racism because of semantics? If you define racism as something institutional, then yeah, maybe it isn't racism. Maybe it's just racial bigotry when a group of people mock a presidential candidate with racial stereotypes with the intention of swaying others or solidifying their own opposition to him.

But what the fuck difference does the word make? It's not like a group of objects in black stereotypes fell into an image and distributed itself. A GOP group put together a bunch of racial stereotypes to mock Obama, presumably with the belief that it has some kind of relevance or else I don't see why they would take the time. It's no less disgusting when described with a different word.
 
My post wasn't about what word the action should be labeled as, quite the opposite, I stated that it wasn't offensive regardless of whether or not it falls under "racism"
 
[quote name='Koggit']My post wasn't about what word the action should be labeled as, quite the opposite, I stated that it wasn't offensive regardless of whether or not it falls under "racism"[/QUOTE]

I would say everyone is entitled to their opinion but in this case , no you are not.
 
[quote name='Koggit']My post wasn't about what word the action should be labeled as, quite the opposite, I stated that it wasn't offensive regardless of whether or not it falls under "racism"[/quote]

Well thanks for clarifying arbiter of all things offensive. I didn't bother with that part of your post because I don't think what you find offensive matters (and KingBroly also posted suggesting "racism" didn't apply)

Someone being offended when racial stereotypes are used against a presidential candidate as an example of "what will happen if he's elected" doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
 
lol @ people that don't know racism when they see it.

It's stereotypical of blacks, you said it yourself koggit. Blacks make up an entire race of human beings. So, it is racist because they are stereotyping an entire race.
Had they based their stereotype on something other than race than it would have been just plain stereotyping/borderline prejudice.
 
A racial stereotype should not be offensive when it isn't negative. I think you guys are just oversensitive -- which is understandable, our culture, racially, is certainly oversensitive.

There's nothing negative about eating certain types of food so stereotyping a race as eating certain types of food is not offensive.

Regardless, the fact that they include stereotypical racial imagery where it plays absolutely no role in their message proves it was only done to get publicity, which overly sensitive pawns of cultural influence are giving them in spades.

[quote name='HowStern']lol @ people that don't know racism when they see it.

It's stereotypical of blacks, you said it yourself koggit. Blacks make up an entire race of human beings. So, it is racist because they are stereotyping an entire race.
Had they based their stereotype on something other than race than it would have been just plain stereotyping/borderline prejudice.[/QUOTE]

Dude, in both of my two posts I've been very explicit: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER OR NOT IT FALLS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF "RACISM", I seriously don't give a shit what it's labeled, but evidently you don't understand what the word means.
 
[quote name='Koggit']A racial stereotype should not be offensive when it isn't negative. I think you guys are just oversensitive -- which is understandable, our culture, racially, is certainly oversensitive.

There's nothing negative about eating certain types of food so stereotyping a race as eating certain types of food is not offensive.

Regardless, the fact that they include stereotypical racial imagery where it plays absolutely no role in their message proves it was only done to get publicity, which overly sensitive pawns of cultural influence are giving them in spades.[/quote]

Yes, if you think the entire reason why it's offensive is simply because it has some stereotypical food on it, then you're not getting it and I wouldn't expect you to understand why people would find it offensive. It does play a role in the message, and that's the point.
 
[quote name='Koggit']

There's nothing negative about eating certain types of food so stereotyping a race as eating certain types of food is not offensive.


[/quote]

that comment made me think of the scene in Birth of a Nation (1915) ...where they show the slaves eating watermelon and acting like children.
 
And I'd like to add that positive or neutral stereotypes are not good either, stereotypes are never acceptable and can certainly be offensive even if they're not an assumption of a negative trait. Those sorts of stereotypes may not be as damaging (at least directly), but they assume a lack of individual thought and difference.

For example, positive stereotypes about women - they're natural caregivers, morally superior to men, etc. still deny them individuality and deny them opportunities because of those assumptions.
 
[quote name='Koggit']There's nothing negative about eating certain types of food so stereotyping a race as eating certain types of food is not offensive.[/QUOTE]

A fine example of circular reasoning but as I said before, no.

p.s. no one needs racism defined here you are just being silly AND dishonest since you are ignoring the food stamp thing as well.
 
[quote name='Koggit']A racial stereotype should not be offensive when it isn't negative. I think you guys are just oversensitive -- which is understandable, our culture, racially, is certainly oversensitive.

There's nothing negative about eating certain types of food so stereotyping a race as eating certain types of food is not offensive.

Regardless, the fact that they include stereotypical racial imagery where it plays absolutely no role in their message proves it was only done to get publicity, which overly sensitive pawns of cultural influence are giving them in spades.[/quote]

First off, let me say I think it's very offensive.

Not to indulge you in over-intellectualization - but let's take a closer look.

When the racists pick foods such as fried chicken and grape soda, they are making a point to choose cheap, low-quality, instant-gratification type foods. The message is that the group being stereotyped is lower-class - that this group eats these foods as a staple diet because they are too poor and ignorant to make better dietary choices. It's an offensive message.
 
Fried chicken is cheap? Where? And why is grape soda cheaper than any other flavor?

Sorry Camoor, I think you are trying really hard to find offense where there isn't any. Unless you were being sarcastic, which is possible.
 
Camoor is right. It's demeaning to assume an entire race of people absolutely looooooove or eat nothing but kool aid and KFC. It's a judgement by the people who made it, too. You know in their minds those foods are "low-class." But really, if someone didn't get it right away then there is no sense in trying to convince them now..
 
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