Can you actually be fired for being out sick so many times during the year?

Im waiting for a crazy djk8e conclusion to this. It has to be going somewhere. Im gonna keep up with this thread to make sure I dont miss any "CAG drama"...
 
I have taken my fair share of sick days (I suffer from cronic sinus problems myself that requiers surgery)and to be honest I don't give a rats ass what my job thinks of doing to me. If it wasn't for the shit medical coverage my job gives out I could've had this problem fixed.

When your sick your job hates you but when your working like a dog for the lowest wages possible they love you, they just won't let you know that. I'm so tired of the "get to work or else crap", maybe if employers would treat there employee's like human beings instead of machines then people might actually want to go to work. I work full time, forty hours a week, I'm underpayed, overworked and have five bosses. Beside me there is only one other full time employee at my job (see something wrong with this picture yet?). I have to take shit everyday for a lousy paycheck that barely covers the bills. I work outdoors in all types of weather with harmful chemicals as well as working with raw sewage. Then if I call in sick they wonder why.

Everyone here take this advice, get the best education you can and get yourself a "CAREER" (notice I didn't say "job"), then, you won't have to call in sick, you'll actually want to go to work.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You call THAT sick!?!?!?!?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

fuckin' nancy-boy. Bet you take a sick day to paint yer toenails, too.

And, to answer your OP question, maybe; however, that doesn't mean they won't "discover" a better reason for firing you.[/quote]

Oh goodness.

You sound like one of those assholes who comes to work sick and spreads the joy.
 
Ok.. this came up in a class a long time ago.. and I'm going to really step out on a limb here.

The "at will" laws are usually enacted in benefit of the employer, not employee. Now if you've signed paperwork, I don't know how far you'd get with it.. but it sounds to me like you're experiencing a little workplace harassment (not sexual harassment.. actual harassment). It isn't legal, and it shouldn't float.. especially if your supervisor has been overheard publicly defacing you to your fellow employees.

I encountered a similar situation with my sinus problems. There IS a loophole.. the FMLA (family medical leave act). My boss is the most unprofessional, favoritist, self-absorbed woman on the planet.. and she's been in trouble for workplace harassment before to boot. She was trying to nail me when I had frequent doctor visits leading up to my surgery for my sinuses (headaches, checkups, outpatient services, etc). My company has this FMLA form that you fill out for approval stating that a condition may cause frequent absences.. basically, you're protected after that point. I filed the form, she started harassing me and even demoted me.. one call into HR, and she was in her manager's office. Problem resolved.

If you have been diagnosed with a medical condition, it's a "handicap." Therefore, "at will" law would be null and void via discrimination through the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Get your frequent sinus problems properly diagnosed through an ENT.. file it with HR.. and you're protected.

Like I said.. I'm stepping out on a limb.. but it does sound a little like workplace harassment to me. Now I don't know if Texas has a law similar to Alabama's where you cannot tape a conversation without the other party's consent.. but I would take that tape to someone higher up immediately. Slander in the workplace is not legal, and the manager obviously has no form of formal education in management (or didn't pay attention).

Edit: By the way, this is the Family Medical Leave Act, word for word, from the Dept of Labor's web site.

Synopsis of Law

Covered employers must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period for one or more of the following reasons:

* for the birth and care of the newborn child of the employee;
* for placement with the employee of a son or daughter for adoption or foster care;
* to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
* to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.
 
Why is that? Whats so bad about expecting someone to show up to work and do their job? I've taken two sick days in about 3 years. Once because I passed out and a second time because I was severly ill with a fever/cold sweats/4 alarm headache.

Sure, theres a lot of times I wish I could stay home when I'm coughing or have a headache or my back is killing me, but I was hired to and am expected to show up to do my job.

[quote name='camoor']Oh goodness.

You sound like one of those assholes who comes to work sick and spreads the joy.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Maxwell31']I have taken my fair share of sick days (I suffer from cronic sinus problems myself that requiers surgery)and to be honest I don't give a rats ass what my job thinks of doing to me. If it wasn't for the shit medical coverage my job gives out I could've had this problem fixed.

When your sick your job hates you but when your working like a dog for the lowest wages possible they love you, they just won't let you know that. I'm so tired of the "get to work or else crap", maybe if employers would treat there employee's like human beings instead of machines then people might actually want to go to work. I work full time, forty hours a week, I'm underpayed, overworked and have five bosses. Beside me there is only one other full time employee at my job (see something wrong with this picture yet?). I have to take shit everyday for a lousy paycheck that barely covers the bills. I work outdoors in all types of weather with harmful chemicals as well as working with raw sewage. Then if I call in sick they wonder why.

Everyone here take this advice, get the best education you can and get yourself a "CAREER" (notice I didn't say "job"), then, you won't have to call in sick, you'll actually want to go to work.[/QUOTE]

finally someone here who actually makes sense. Yes I have gone in for chronic sinus problems and then that other time where i actually HAD an ON SITE JOB INJURY(broke my leg). This is just a job not my career. The only real job I fucking care about is the after school jobs where I ACTUALLY teach COMPUTER GRAPHICS and Photography :) so I just use my normal hours job as insurance coverage. And that job I never have been absent (except for that week I was injured). Now that supervisor wants me to come back for next year and wrote me one hell of a letter of recommendation that got me that summer job. So fuck my day job. I was just curious if places can fire you for calling out sick too many times when you actually where. I wonder if they fired that lady who is dying from brain cancer cause shes been out for nearly 2 years 0.o
 
the key to the FMLA is to have a doctor sign off on it...which most wont do unless it is a serious condition and not just a typical "cold"
 
[quote name='Skylander7']Ok.. this came up in a class a long time ago.. and I'm going to really step out on a limb here.

The "at will" laws are usually enacted in benefit of the employer, not employee. Now if you've signed paperwork, I don't know how far you'd get with it.. but it sounds to me like you're experiencing a little workplace harassment (not sexual harassment.. actual harassment). It isn't legal, and it shouldn't float.. especially if your supervisor has been overheard publicly defacing you to your fellow employees.

I encountered a similar situation with my sinus problems. There IS a loophole.. the FMLA (family medical leave act). My boss is the most unprofessional, favoritist, self-absorbed woman on the planet.. and she's been in trouble for workplace harassment before to boot. She was trying to nail me when I had frequent doctor visits leading up to my surgery for my sinuses (headaches, checkups, outpatient services, etc). My company has this FMLA form that you fill out for approval stating that a condition may cause frequent absences.. basically, you're protected after that point. I filed the form, she started harassing me and even demoted me.. one call into HR, and she was in her manager's office. Problem resolved.

If you have been diagnosed with a medical condition, it's a "handicap." Therefore, "at will" law would be null and void via discrimination through the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Get your frequent sinus problems properly diagnosed through an ENT.. file it with HR.. and you're protected.

Like I said.. I'm stepping out on a limb.. but it does sound a little like workplace harassment to me. Now I don't know if Texas has a law similar to Alabama's where you cannot tape a conversation without the other party's consent.. but I would take that tape to someone higher up immediately. Slander in the workplace is not legal, and the manager obviously has no form of formal education in management (or didn't pay attention).

Edit: By the way, this is the Family Medical Leave Act, word for word, from the Dept of Labor's web site.

Synopsis of Law

Covered employers must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period for one or more of the following reasons:

* for the birth and care of the newborn child of the employee;
* for placement with the employee of a son or daughter for adoption or foster care;
* to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
* to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.[/QUOTE]

this is what I was thinking about too, but didn't have the details til you brought it up. Good points... Like I said I don't fucking care about this job, but if they try to pin this shit (my absences) then I can simply prove that I have been sick via doctor's reports and case close. I can file a complaint against the principal if she does this shit because she was already in hot water last year with HR and the superintendentsof the school system because she was harassing employees. So no worries.
 
Glad this is what my tax money is paying for in good ol VA. I always wonder why teachers complain about getting $30k per year when they get three months off and "40" sick days....what a joke.
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']the key to the FMLA is to have a doctor sign off on it...which most wont do unless it is a serious condition and not just a typical "cold"[/QUOTE]


yea my doc will sign off on it once I slip a 50 in her coat pocket lol.. nah shes cool she will sign off on it. Hell she sent me to an allergist last year and after being poked 29 times with all this shit, I am probably reacting to all that crap in the building.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']finally someone here who actually makes sense. Yes I have gone in for chronic sinus problems and then that other time where i actually HAD an ON SITE JOB INJURY(broke my leg). This is just a job not my career. The only real job I fucking care about is the after school jobs where I ACTUALLY teach COMPUTER GRAPHICS and Photography :) so I just use my normal hours job as insurance coverage. And that job I never have been absent (except for that week I was injured). Now that supervisor wants me to come back for next year and wrote me one hell of a letter of recommendation that got me that summer job. So fuck my day job. I was just curious if places can fire you for calling out sick too many times when you actually where. I wonder if they fired that lady who is dying from brain cancer cause shes been out for nearly 2 years 0.o[/QUOTE]


I wouldn't even sweat it dude, if they fire you that would allow you to collect unemployment and as my job had the nerve to tell me, "it costs use money for unemployment so we would rather break your balls to quit than pay out anything to you" (if you quit you get nothing). Lesson learned, your employer is too cheap to fire you.
 
[quote name='Maxwell31']I have taken my fair share of sick days (I suffer from cronic sinus problems myself that requiers surgery)and to be honest I don't give a rats ass what my job thinks of doing to me. If it wasn't for the shit medical coverage my job gives out I could've had this problem fixed.

When your sick your job hates you but when your working like a dog for the lowest wages possible they love you, they just won't let you know that. I'm so tired of the "get to work or else crap", maybe if employers would treat there employee's like human beings instead of machines then people might actually want to go to work. I work full time, forty hours a week, I'm underpayed, overworked and have five bosses. Beside me there is only one other full time employee at my job (see something wrong with this picture yet?). I have to take shit everyday for a lousy paycheck that barely covers the bills. I work outdoors in all types of weather with harmful chemicals as well as working with raw sewage. Then if I call in sick they wonder why.

Everyone here take this advice, get the best education you can and get yourself a "CAREER" (notice I didn't say "job"), then, you won't have to call in sick, you'll actually want to go to work.[/quote]
Dude i feel the same way. i mean you work to earn those days and everyone needs a break now and then especially if you work with a bunch of assholes. I think we as employes let them take advantage of us and dont stand up for our rights, but thats a whole nother topic
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']Dude i feel the same way. i mean you work to earn those days and everyone needs a break now and then especially if you work with a bunch of assholes. I think we as employes let them take advantage of us and dont stand up for our rights, but thats a whole nother topic[/QUOTE]


There is nothing wrong with that, but taking 40 sick days when you already have weekends and the summer off is ridiculous.
 
you guys are forgetting the topic at hand...this guy has a job as a teachers aide...easy job and called out 1/4 of the days that he should be there...this job is not physically exhausting...at all
 
wow, how many sick days do you get?
I'm a teacher and we get 10 paid nonsick leave and 10 paid sick leave days a year. They asked us not to use much of them because the school is only alotted a certain amount for subs and it wasn't as much as it was in past years.
I can see why a principal would be pissed if your school has a sub paypool like mine. You said you called in a sub, so there goes money out of the pool. Longterm leave is a different paypool so it's not as big a deal if they were permitted that leave.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']There is nothing wrong with that, but taking 40 sick days when you already have weekends and the summer off is ridiculous.[/quote]

dont forget the winter and spring breaks and holidays
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']Dude i feel the same way. i mean you work to earn those days and everyone needs a break now and then especially if you work with a bunch of assholes. I think we as employes let them take advantage of us and dont stand up for our rights, but thats a whole nother topic[/QUOTE]


Stand up for your rights, don't even get me started on that. You stand up for yourself and they knock you right back down ("You don't like it here, go somewhere else". This is there answer to resolving problems). Just there way of letting you know they have all the control for at least now.

My motto is this, there fun can't last forever and someday you'll get the final laugh. I know I will.
 
[quote name='Jedi1979']you guys are forgetting the topic at hand...this guy has a job as a teachers aide...easy job and called out 1/4 of the days that he should be there...this job is not physically exhausting...at all[/quote] But still thats his choice and at the end of the day he has to deal with that not us. we can talk all we want about why he shouldnt have taken so many days, but its already done. We dont know why he took them and they must have been important to him.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You call THAT sick!?!?!?!?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

fuckin' nancy-boy. Bet you take a sick day to paint yer toenails, too.

And, to answer your OP question, maybe; however, that doesn't mean they won't "discover" a better reason for firing you.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. I missed 3 days of school in 13 years.

2nd grade - Missed last day due to chicken pox

7th grade - Teacher told me not to go on the field trip because I sprained my ankle the day before

12th grade - food poisoning.

But runny nose and coughing up goo? Oh boo-hoo, suck it up.
 
[quote name='Maxwell31']Stand up for your rights, don't even get me started on that. You stand up for yourself and they knock you right back down ("You don't like it here, go somewhere else". This is there answer to resolving problems). Just there way of letting you know they have all the control for at least now.

My motto is this, there fun can't last forever and someday you'll get the final laugh. I know I will.[/quote]
no doubt i think my company is about to find that one out the hard way. when most of the techs leave
 
Oh, and I only mentioned my first 13 years of school (thats including kindergarden), I didn't include college. Sometimes I skip every now and then if the teacher is going over something for the 50th time I already know.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Oh, and I only mentioned my first 13 years of school (thats including kindergarden), I didn't include college. Sometimes I skip every now and then if the teacher is going over something for the 50th time I already know.[/QUOTE]


Yes, but if you miss 20 days of school per semester your chances of passing are very slim. A few days is not a bid deal, but 20 is. :D
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Yes, but if you miss 20 days of school per semester your chances of passing are very slim. A few days is not a bid deal, but 20 is. :D[/QUOTE]

Oh yea, and I never missed the classes important to my major. But if I didn't feel like dealing with philosophy for that day? Yeaaaaaaaaaa :lol:
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Yes, but if you miss 20 days of school per semester your chances of passing are very slim. A few days is not a bid deal, but 20 is. :D[/quote] i passed and i missed 45 days of school my senior year
 
Congratulations, you're lazy and your school was substandard with lax discipline. You're now ready for the American workforce.

[quote name='Sc4rfac3']i passed and i missed 45 days of school my senior year[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']Congratulations, you're lazy and your school was substandard with lax discipline. You're now ready for the American workforce.[/QUOTE]

Or at least a job teaching in VA.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Yes, but if you miss 20 days of school per semester your chances of passing are very slim. A few days is not a bid deal, but 20 is. :D[/quote]

Reminds me of this article: http://www.wfsb.com/news/13486742/detail.html

2,000 Students May Have To Repeat Grade

New Absenteeism Policy Considered Tougher


WATERBURY, Conn. -- Around 2,000 students in Waterbury schools might have to repeat their current grade under the city's tougher absenteeism policy. Students with 19 or more unexcused absences can't advance grades. Under a new policy in place this year, notes from doctors and parents delivered at the end of the school year are not considered excuses...
 
[quote name='Kayden']Congratulations, you're lazy and your school was substandard with lax discipline. You're now ready for the American workforce.[/quote] wow your funny:applause:. Maybe you can turn being a sub-par comedian into a career like nick cannon :lol: . You can say what ever you want but you will never understand why i missed that many days. At the end of the day i passed and i learned a life lesson that nothing else could teach me.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Or at least a job teaching in VA.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: to the tenth fuckin' power.

[quote name='Sc4rfac3']wow your funny[/quote]

"you're," the contraction of "you" and "are," is grammatically correct in this case.

You can say what ever you want but you will never understand why i missed that many days.

45 days? If the "understanding" involves the word "coma," then I apologize. Nothing else.

At the end of the day i passed and i learned a life lesson that nothing else could teach me.

Ah, yes. THAT lesson. A member of the Church of the Subgenius, are we? Oooh! If not that, is it something really ironic, like "God don't make no junk"?

EDIT: I hope this becomes 2007's "chipped tooth" thread.
 
Doesn't look like that life lesson involved the rules of capitalization, did it?

[quote name='Sc4rfac3']wow your funny:applause:. Maybe you can turn being a sub-par comedian into a career like nick cannon :lol: . You can say what ever you want but you will never understand why i missed that many days. At the end of the day i passed and i learned a life lesson that nothing else could teach me.[/quote]
 
[quote name='theeipi']Reminds me of this article: http://www.wfsb.com/news/13486742/detail.html

2,000 Students May Have To Repeat Grade

New Absenteeism Policy Considered Tougher


WATERBURY, Conn. -- Around 2,000 students in Waterbury schools might have to repeat their current grade under the city's tougher absenteeism policy. Students with 19 or more unexcused absences can't advance grades. Under a new policy in place this year, notes from doctors and parents delivered at the end of the school year are not considered excuses...[/quote]
wow thats crazy but doesn't that show that there is a bigger problem at hand. i think they need to research why the students missed so many days of school.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Doesn't look like that life lesson involved the rules of capitalization, did it?[/quote] Wow dude you need to calm down. I'm sorry if i didnt capitalize to your standards. Next time i'll pm you my reply and you can proof read it and make sure it complies.
 
Our policy here for students is that they can miss 20% of class days, about 32 a year.

Although we get sick days, I have used 2 in my 11 years of professional work and each were to recover from surgeries.

I work in schools too, and although people are frequently sick, you don't need to always stay home.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']wow thats crazy but doesn't that show that there is a bigger problem at hand. i think they need to research why the students missed so many days of school.[/QUOTE]




Hypotheses A through D.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:rofl: to the tenth fuckin' power.



"you're," the contraction of "you" and "are," is grammatically correct in this case.



45 days? If the "understanding" involves the word "coma," then I apologize. Nothing else.



Ah, yes. THAT lesson. A member of the Church of the Subgenius, are we? Oooh! If not that, is it something really ironic, like "God don't make no junk"?

EDIT: I hope this becomes 2007's "chipped tooth" thread.[/quote]
i wouldnt expect you to understand anything that i was going through in that point of my life,but thats a subject for another thread. Wow you guys need to chill its not that serious. Not everyone's life is the same. Some people go through some crazy shit in their life time and its not our right to pass judgement on them.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']



Hypotheses A through D.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

Price is Right was just the icing on the delicious cake you baked, Myke.

i wouldnt expect you to understand anything that i was going through in that point of my life,but thats a subject for another thread


And no, nothing about the above poster is a subject for another thread, no one gives a fuck about you.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']LOL another comedian :roll:.[/quote]
actually although funny, since they were talking about unexcused abscences I would agree with his assessment. The kids were most likely Ferris Buellering around.
 
[quote name='theeipi']Our policy here for students is that they can miss 20% of class days, about 32 a year.

Although we get sick days, I have used 2 in my 11 years of professional work and each were to recover from surgeries.

I work in schools too, and although people are frequently sick, you don't need to always stay home.[/quote] At the time my school policy was you cant miss 60 days. I agree with you. you dont always need to stay home.
 
If you just stuck to my patented excuse of "I can't come to work because I got The Shits" none of this would even be a big deal.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']:rofl:

Price is Right was just the icing on the delicious cake you baked, Myke.




And no, nothing about the above poster is a subject for another thread, no one gives a fuck about you.[/quote] Whatever dude. I wasnt even going there with him or you. I was talking about the situation i was in is subject for another thread.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']



Hypotheses A through D.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='JimmieMac']If you just stuck to my patented excuse of "I can't come to work because I got The Shits" none of this would even be a big deal.[/QUOTE]

:rofl: :rofl:
You guys are fucking hilarious. Oh, and OP, yes, if you take too many sick days, you can (and will) get fired. I was pretty irresponsible with my attendance early on at my current job, and I almost got the boot. Be responsible, and if you take a trip to the doctor, ask for a note.
 
[quote name='AngellicLulu']actually although funny, since they were talking about unexcused abscences I would agree with his assessment. The kids were most likely Ferris Buellering around.[/quote] Yeah we could come to that conclusion but would we be right? I used to work in a school and we had a bunch of kids that where in fucked up families. I'm just saying you never know what a person has to deal with. I'm pretty sure you have seen more than your fare share of kids with problems like that.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']Yeah we could come to that conclusion but would we be right? I used to work in a school and we had a bunch of kids that where in fucked up families. I'm just saying you never know what a person has to deal with. I'm pretty sure you have seen more than your fare share of kids with problems like that.[/QUOTE]

I'm starting to notice a trend of people who are working in our education system.
 
[quote name='Sc4rfac3']Yeah we could come to that conclusion but would we be right? I used to work in a school and we had a bunch of kids that where in fucked up families. I'm just saying you never know what a person has to deal with. I'm pretty sure you have seen more than your fare share of kids with problems like that.[/quote]
Yes, but do you think that really is the majority of the unexcused abscences in schools? In some schools, perhaps. My school, not at all. I wish I had a statistic to back it up but I'm going to go on a limb here without one and say more unexcused abscences are due to skipping classes.
 
[quote name='AngellicLulu']Yes, but do you think that really is the majority of the unexcused abscences in schools? In some schools, perhaps. My school, not at all. I wish I had a statistic to back it up but I'm going to go on a limb here without one and say more unexcused abscences are due to skipping classes.[/quote]Ok i see where your coming from and thats cool. My opinion is to find out why they miss so much class. Yeah we could hold them back but is that gonna solve the problem?
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I'm starting to notice a trend of people who are working in our education system.[/quote]
Please don't assume that they speak for all those in our profession. Pretty please? ;)

Seriously though, it does depend upon the district. Around here teachers have around 14 sick days per school year although they can be given more for major circumstances (ie: mono, hospitalization, major surgery, etc.). Otherwise, using all of your sick days a year tends to throw up some major red flags. Using more than your alotted sick days...well, it means don't expect tenure and, if you have tenure, expect pure hell.

And yes, GI problems are probably the worst when it comes to teaching. Bad colds? You can work through (although you'll feel god-awful). Strep throat? Just don't think about swallowing all that much. Anything relating to plumbing problems? Good luck and god bless.
 
So, let me guess. Everyone else other than the OP has great quality health insurance and stay super-healthy 100% of the time? Mis-diagnosis happens pretty often.

With the quality of health insurance and the amount of people without it, I'm suprised there isn't a goddamn epidemic of disease going around!

I feel bad for the OP, I mean, he is having pretty shitty luck with health problems. It might be an easy job, but when you are constantly sick no job is easy. I was sick for nearly a month at my previous job and I had the doctor sign everything to show them. (If i'm sick near food, it could be contaminated and customers could get sick.. you see where this is going).

Suck it up? Are you guys becoming more like your grandparents with the "Back in my day, I had to walk up hill 40 feet in the snow to get a glass of milk and I LIKED IT!".

So just get off of his balls. This is a gaming forum, not a "Bash someone's problems because you think the OP measures the quality of Public Schooling in general" forum.

This is a topic about sick days and law, not morals.

(I'm franky suprised on how backwards suehappy people are that there isn't teachers sued for making people sick.. It will happen someday.. quote me on this.)
 
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