Carl Paladino on Homosexuality

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What he did say in a speech:
I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don’t want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option — it isn’t.
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Also:
I didn’t march in the gay parade this year — the gay pride parade this year. My opponent did, and that’s not the example we should be showing our children.
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What he 'thoughtfully' omitted from saying, though it was in the text of his speech (OMG LOLBAMA TELEPROMPTER!):
There is nothing to be proud of in being a dysfunctional homosexual.
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What Carl Paladino's campaign manager had to say:
Carl Paladino is not homophobic, and neither is the Catholic Church.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/nyregion/11paladino.html?hp

This is a level of douchbaggery big enough it deserves its own thread independent of the 'stay classy, republcians' one.

Good thing Paladino's dying in the polls. Keep running bigoted ne'er do wells like here in NY, incompetent buffoons like Linda McMahon, Sharron Angle, Joe Miller, and Christine O'Donnell. Running unqualified nutjobs, liars, and fools will only benefit their opposition. Cuomo is up more than 20% over Paladino in some polls. So Paladino is in full on panic mode, and his only option is to turn into the bigot he is.
 
So sending around beastiality e-mails - totally cool.

Taking your son to a gay pride parade - disgusting.

I don't know how you expect to be elected statewide in New York as a Republican and be homophobic. It doesn't make sense to me.
 
[quote name='IRHari']
Taking your son to a gay pride parade - disgusting.
[/QUOTE]

Well not disgusting, but it does send the wrong message. Taking your son to a gay pride parade is like saying "See son? THose are gays and they unique special snowflakes that deserve their own parade and day because they have a different sexual choice and that makes them better than straight people".

Gay people cause this kind of hatred toward them by themselves and cant blame anyone else. Its things like their gay pride day, rainbow bumper stickers, gay pride parades that make people dislike them. Not because they are gay so much, but just because gay people feel the need to forceibly shove that fact in everyones face and act like they deserve to be treated special while they march around saying they want to be treated equal.

If gay people would just act like people instead of some stupid cliche stereotype of what gay is and tried to be human beings then they would find they be accepted a lot easier into society because no one likes the big mouth asshole at office whether they are overly annoying or overly nice.

No one but you cares if your gay and non gay people find it annoying you think you deserve a parade and your own special day just because you chose to put your dick in ass instead of pussy or eat pussy instead of sucking a dick. Because your not special, your not different, your not unique and if you realized that and tried act like just a person instead of "a gay person" then you would find bigots would dissapear a lot faster.
 
[quote name='gargus']Well not disgusting, but it does send the wrong message. Taking your son to a gay pride parade is like saying "See son? THose are gays and they unique special snowflakes that deserve their own parade and day because they have a different sexual choice and that makes them better than straight people".

Gay people cause this kind of hatred toward them by themselves and cant blame anyone else. Its things like their gay pride day, rainbow bumper stickers, gay pride parades that make people dislike them. Not because they are gay so much, but just because gay people feel the need to forceibly shove that fact in everyones face and act like they deserve to be treated special while they march around saying they want to be treated equal.

If gay people would just act like people instead of some stupid cliche stereotype of what gay is and tried to be human beings then they would find they be accepted a lot easier into society because no one likes the big mouth asshole at office whether they are overly annoying or overly nice.

No one but you cares if your gay and non gay people find it annoying you think you deserve a parade and your own special day just because you chose to put your dick in ass instead of pussy or eat pussy instead of sucking a dick. Because your not special, your not different, your not unique and if you realized that and tried act like just a person instead of "a gay person" then you would find bigots would dissapear a lot faster.[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

Yes, how dare those people (who were formerly forced to stay in the closet and looked down upon as sexual deviants) celebrate their sexuality and say publicly that it's ok to be gay and be themselves.

Just stay in the closet you queers! Stop fucking the same sex for attention!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEKpufAeTi0
 
[quote name='gargus']Well not disgusting, but it does send the wrong message. Taking your son to a gay pride parade is like saying "See son? THose are gays and they unique special snowflakes that deserve their own parade and day because they have a different sexual choice and that makes them better than straight people".

Gay people cause this kind of hatred toward them by themselves and cant blame anyone else. Its things like their gay pride day, rainbow bumper stickers, gay pride parades that make people dislike them. Not because they are gay so much, but just because gay people feel the need to forceibly shove that fact in everyones face and act like they deserve to be treated special while they march around saying they want to be treated equal.

If gay people would just act like people instead of some stupid cliche stereotype of what gay is and tried to be human beings then they would find they be accepted a lot easier into society because no one likes the big mouth asshole at office whether they are overly annoying or overly nice.

No one but you cares if your gay and non gay people find it annoying you think you deserve a parade and your own special day just because you chose to put your dick in ass instead of pussy or eat pussy instead of sucking a dick. Because your not special, your not different, your not unique and if you realized that and tried act like just a person instead of "a gay person" then you would find bigots would dissapear a lot faster.[/QUOTE]

http://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/engl/theory/genderandsex/terms/heteronormativity.html

When straight people are ostracized, disowned by their families and friends, driven out of their communities, beaten, killed, and driven to suicide (the latter two happening as recently as a week ago) because they "chose to put your dick in ass instead of pussy or eat pussy instead of sucking a dick," then they might understand why a "parade" as a show of solidarity is important.

You understand nothing of hegemony nor heteronormativity, yet you continue to wield those dual blades of the privileged lifestyle of a straight white guy. It's like being a master kung fu artist, but denying that martial arts exist.
 
while I can dig gargus saying that it's annoying when poeple of any protected class demand equal rights, but then demonstrably also demand special rights, he's just going on from that to outright "I'm better than you" which isn't the right way to go.
I think this homosexuality as a choice thing is a bit of a leap too. Bisexuality I can see being a choice, but outright homosexuality probably has some type of deep seeded piece that more or less makes you gay. Good for that person if they can accept it and embrace it as opposed to living a lie that will only eventually hurt themselves and others as well.

Also, gargus has obviously never stuck his weewee "there" otherwise he wouldn't be so derisive of the notion...
 
[quote name='nasum']Bisexuality I can see being a choice[/QUOTE]

What, why

And why do all of you respond or even pay attention to gargus.
 
I don't know exactly how to explain it other than being strictly homo or hetero has something in the Id. Some primal, lizard brain based lust for one gender or the other, while feeling repulsed by the other (in terms of sexual interaction) seems more nature while a primal lust for both genders seems more nurture.
Hey, I could be wrong.

Why pay attention to gargus? It's fun from time to time.
 
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/paladino-strongly-defends-remarks-on-homosexuality/?hp

Paladino is gargus, blaming his remarks on gay "speedos" and "grinding" at parades:

exposing [children] to homosexuality, especially at a gay pride parade — and I don’t know if you have ever been to one, but they wear these little Speedos and they grind against each other and it’s just a terrible thing.
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Also, sitting on the bigoted fence 101 with Carl Paladino: how to ostracize and denigrate an entire class of people and make it seem like it's *their* fault. Deflection at its finest:

“My feelings on homosexuality are unequivocal,” Mr. Paladino said on “Today.” “I have absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. My only reservation is marriage.”

He added, “I have a lot of homosexuals working in my organization."
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I have no problem except for the one thing I have a problem with. And I'm friends with tons of gays, so I can't be a bigot!

It's one thing to think this: I expect this kind of nonsense in the vs forums here (see Knoell denying that he doesn't hate Islam, he just wants to deny its followers their freedoms) or elsewhere on the internet (people who engage in racist banter saying its ok because they have 'black friends'). But this is a major, funded, first-tier political party candidate for political office. Holy shit.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Rainbow stickers make people hate gays? Welcome to the ignore list, gargus. You did it to yourself.[/QUOTE]

Did you miss the other thread where he said that blacks were lazy and stupid? gargus is mr. shock jock around here

[quote name='gargus']
Black people today do not deserve anything because of slavery. But most of them want something because they are fucking lazy and stupid, yeah I said it. I mean most humans are but the black in this country have a excuse to bitch and they milk it for everything they can.[/QUOTE]
 
I honestly stopped reading his wall of text a long time ago. I read his blurbs in the quotes you guys make. Now, I can just ignore him and move on.
 
[quote name='depascal22']i honestly stopped reading his wall of text a long time ago. I read his blurbs in the quotes you guys make. Now, i can just ignore him and move on.[/quote]

+1
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

It's one thing to think this: I expect this kind of nonsense in the vs forums here (see Knoell denying that he doesn't hate Islam, he just wants to deny its followers their freedoms) .[/QUOTE]

See this is what I am complaining about in the other thread. Somehow complaining that a mosque by ground zero is insensitive, while saying go ahead and build it, is somehow denying muslims their freedom and somehow qualifies a claim that I hate muslims. It would be nice if you could tell me what freedom I am denying?

It just shows how out of touch you guys are.
 
Knoell, I can honestly say that if being in touch means thinking the way you do, I'd rather be out of touch.

Anyone else?
 
[quote name='Clak']Knoell, I can honestly say that if being in touch means thinking the way you do, I'd rather be out of touch.

Anyone else?[/QUOTE]

There's a reason why he's on my ignore list and why I refuse to respond to any of his posts.
 
[quote name='Clak']Knoell, I can honestly say that if being in touch means thinking the way you do, I'd rather be out of touch.

Anyone else?[/QUOTE]

Nice of you to create an argument instead of insulting me. Ignore me like Sporadic because you find my opinion to be different than yours. I am fine with it if it means I don't have to deal with these nonsensical posts.

Anyone else?
 
I don't have thrustbucket on ignore, what does that tell you? Besides, you're the one who said we're out of touch, that isn't insulting at all I suppose.
 
[quote name='Clak']I don't have thrustbucket on ignore, what does that tell you? Besides, you're the one who said we're out of touch, that isn't insulting at all I suppose.[/QUOTE]

I was simply responding to supposed facts being thrown out about me. If he calls me a bigot, I think I have a right to call him and anyone else who agrees "out of touch". This is my biggest complaint today, I know I am not a bigot, and yet you guys from afar seem to think you can judge me (just as you judge sooooo many other people) based on your poor interpretations of my posts (or quotes from an article), and the only way I can not be a bigot is if I agree with you.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If you're white, you're either an open bigot/racist or you're a secret bigot/racist. There are no other options.[/QUOTE]

You're a married man, yes?

That counts as the last time you ever engaged anything.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You're a married man, yes?

That counts as the last time you ever engaged anything.[/QUOTE]

Don't you have me on ignore?
 
Man it feels GREAT to be white, straight, and Christian. I totally get to tell every other group how to feel and how stupid it is to cry about discrimination, despite having never participated in their routine and daily marginalization.

Feels fuckin' awesome. It's like I'm never wrong! Just thought I'd come by here and let everyone sniff my glorious balls like the fucking peasants you all are.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm glad I've never played against you in Street Fighter, because you're awfully good at parrying.[/QUOTE]

Don't you have me on ignore?

Seriously? How is anyone supposed to take what you post seriously when you're just a dirty liar.
 
[quote name='IRHari']So sending around beastiality e-mails - totally cool.[/QUOTE]

Paladino called it disgusting after he found out the horse was bi.
 
I don't see how anyone can defend this douchebag.

The sad part is, how do you choose between this guy and a mobster? Glad I don't live in New York.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']But this is a major, funded, first-tier political party candidate for political office. Holy shit.[/QUOTE]

I'd never call him first tier. It's crazy season out there.
 
Wait Andrew Cuomo is a mobster? I don't follow NY politics so please post links with evidence thrust, much appreciated, thanks.
 
Andrew Cuomo is a mobster because he's a Democrat from NY. Didn't you know? FDR started the whole kneecapping thing because he wanted people to understand what it felt like to be crippled. Too soon?
 
[quote name='gargus']Well not disgusting, but it does send the wrong message. Taking your son to a gay pride parade is like saying "See son? THose are gays and they unique special snowflakes that deserve their own parade and day because they have a different sexual choice and that makes them better than straight people".

Gay people cause this kind of hatred toward them by themselves and cant blame anyone else. Its things like their gay pride day, rainbow bumper stickers, gay pride parades that make people dislike them. Not because they are gay so much, but just because gay people feel the need to forceibly shove that fact in everyones face and act like they deserve to be treated special while they march around saying they want to be treated equal.

If gay people would just act like people instead of some stupid cliche stereotype of what gay is and tried to be human beings then they would find they be accepted a lot easier into society because no one likes the big mouth asshole at office whether they are overly annoying or overly nice.

No one but you cares if your gay and non gay people find it annoying you think you deserve a parade and your own special day just because you chose to put your dick in ass instead of pussy or eat pussy instead of sucking a dick. Because your not special, your not different, your not unique and if you realized that and tried act like just a person instead of "a gay person" then you would find bigots would dissapear a lot faster.[/QUOTE]
Do you also post in the Yahoo comment section?

But I totally agree with you, it's like dem blacks marching together demanding equality back in the day. The nerve of some people, just sit at home dammit!

*white power*
 
[quote name='Strell']Man it feels GREAT to be white, straight, and Christian. I totally get to tell every other group how to feel and how stupid it is to cry about discrimination, despite having never participated in their routine and daily marginalization.

Feels fuckin' awesome. It's like I'm never wrong! Just thought I'd come by here and let everyone sniff my glorious balls like the fucking peasants you all are.[/QUOTE]

....You sir are amazing.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What he did say in a speech:


Also:


What he 'thoughtfully' omitted from saying, though it was in the text of his speech (OMG LOLBAMA TELEPROMPTER!):


What Carl Paladino's campaign manager had to say:


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/nyregion/11paladino.html?hp

This is a level of douchbaggery big enough it deserves its own thread independent of the 'stay classy, republcians' one.

Good thing Paladino's dying in the polls. Keep running bigoted ne'er do wells like here in NY, incompetent buffoons like Linda McMahon, Sharron Angle, Joe Miller, and Christine O'Donnell. Running unqualified nutjobs, liars, and fools will only benefit their opposition. Cuomo is up more than 20% over Paladino in some polls. So Paladino is in full on panic mode, and his only option is to turn into the bigot he is.[/QUOTE]

The first comment is disgusting and he should never make it in to office for it. That said, I think people are overreacting on the second comment and to an extent he is even right. Whenever you have men walking around almost completely naked and sometimes even doing things that are outright lewd, it is not something politicians need to be taking part in nor is it something appropriate for children to see or think their parents are in support of.

Look, I am all for gay rights. Gay people should be allowed to be married, what they are doing is perfectly natural and biggoted people like Paladin need to eat a dick. That said Gay people are doing themselves a disservice whenever they act like that. When people think of Homosexual the stereotype is flaming gay men with a lisp wearing daisy dukes and hitting on every guy they come in contact with....so when year in year out at gay pride parades we see Gay men put on daisy dukes(or just walk around naked except for a leaf!)and act like a fucking moron vs walking hand in hand with their significant other it tells the world they are right(not that they are, but it presents that image).

Gonna add this to my post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg_BankB-j8

I think it is the perfect example of what I am trying to say just substitute Martin Luther King and the black community for gays and their community.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If you're white, you're either an open bigot/racist or you're a secret bigot/racist. There are no other options.[/QUOTE]

What about the gay brother on Six Feet Under that was in a relationship with a black man? Sure, that's a piece of fiction but there are openly gay interracial couples in the real world as well. Asian Mail Order Brides are a decent business too. Hell our lord and saviour Cheapy D married an Asian chick...
 
That clip from Boondocks? It didn't happen in real life.

Five years from now people will really attribute that to MLK Jr. Hell, the public at large is so woefully uninformed about his legacy anyway. I dare you to find someone who can name something he did of substance, or something from a speech of his, *ASIDE FROM* the sentence about "content of his character." Sorry, but MLK Jr is known for more than 2 sentences said in his whole life.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']The first comment is disgusting and he should never make it in to office for it. That said, I think people are overreacting on the second comment and to an extent he is even right. Whenever you have men walking around almost completely naked and sometimes even doing things that are outright lewd, it is not something politicians need to be taking part in nor is it something appropriate for children to see or think their parents are in support of.

Look, I am all for gay rights. Gay people should be allowed to be married, what they are doing is perfectly natural and biggoted people like Paladin need to eat a dick. That said Gay people are doing themselves a disservice whenever they act like that. When people think of Homosexual the stereotype is flaming gay men with a lisp wearing daisy dukes and hitting on every guy they come in contact with....so when year in year out at gay pride parades we see Gay men put on daisy dukes(or just walk around naked except for a leaf!)and act like a fucking moron vs walking hand in hand with their significant other it tells the world they are right(not that they are, but it presents that image).

Gonna add this to my post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg_BankB-j8

I think it is the perfect example of what I am trying to say just substitute Martin Luther King and the black community for gays and their community.[/QUOTE]
I think you missed the point of that episode. There is a concerted effort to depict gay/black as being negative and taking pride in oneself, despite the extremity of the expression, is not, in itself, a negative thing.

The things that you're missing out of that clip is the context of not only the episode, but of the influences of why the people in that clip are acting the way they are. Entertainment is one of the VERY FEW avenues for poor black people to escape their environment. All of which are co-opted and controlled by rich white people anyways. I think you should re-examine the framework of your argument and how it applies to the clip.
 
[quote name='nasum']What about the gay brother on Six Feet Under that was in a relationship with a black man? Sure, that's a piece of fiction but there are openly gay interracial couples in the real world as well. Asian Mail Order Brides are a decent business too. Hell our lord and saviour Cheapy D married an Asian chick...[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this example. Black men and Asian women are the most sexualized and exoticized people of color. Black men for having a savage sexual appetite and Asian women for being subservient sexual slaves. Just because a white person dates/marries a person of color doesn't mean that they aren't bigoted or have bigoted/racist views. Yellow fever is not only a blood disease.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That clip from Boondocks? It didn't happen in real life.

Five years from now people will really attribute that to MLK Jr. Hell, the public at large is so woefully uninformed about his legacy anyway. I dare you to find someone who can name something he did of substance, or something from a speech of his, *ASIDE FROM* the sentence about "content of his character." Sorry, but MLK Jr is known for more than 2 sentences said in his whole life.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that if he did survive, he'd be marginalized like Jackson and Sharpton, which, if I remember, is something they also showed in that episode.
 
@myke - The clip and argument had nothing to do with MLK and everything on judging people by the way they act as well as stating if you want to be taken serious and you feel your community needs a movement, then conduct yourself in a way to show WHY you feel the way you do.

@dohdough - I understand the context of the clip. I own and watch not just the cartoon show but also the comics and have read numerous interviews and articles featuring Aaron Mcgruder. I understand that much of the episode(hell much of the series)is about blaming black entertainment for encouraging a culture of ignorance(you fail to state/see that it also has a degree of self acceptance as well though). It does not change the fact though that it is a good example of how people need to be judged, which is on...well by the content of their character. On one hand the gay community wants to stand up and be taken seriously, they want the same rights and they want the same voice the rest of us have. On the other hand they want that voice to come from someone playing up a comical lisp and wearing ass less chaps. And stating that their community is just expressing itself even if to an extreme degree seems wrong headed. I know living in Ann Arbor quite a few gay people I associated with were just as disgusted by the way many at the parades act. and probably would be offended by the fact that you and so many others(even those like yourself defending them)associate those actions as "Expressing the community".

As I said Palidino is an ass and so is anyone that would even consider voting for him. Many of his statements and his actions are ugly and reprehensible. But saying that a Gay Pride Parade is not the place your kids should see you is a perfectly fair statement given the actions of far too many members of the gay community. Conduct yourself in the way you wish to be judged, its that simple.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']they want that voice to come from someone playing up a comical lisp and wearing ass less chaps.[/QUOTE]

um, no. you use that to discredit the relevance of a movement, even if you claim to support it. how many gay pride rallies have you (and this goes for all of you) actually *been* to?

as for the boondocks, it's still a cartoon. It has mild satiric use, but is still no substitute for knowledge. what do you truly know about MLK outside of that television program? You can accuse me of being snotty or snide, but that's a genuine question. What do you know about MLK and his involvement in the civil rights movement?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']um, no. you use that to discredit the relevance of a movement, even if you claim to support it. how many gay pride rallies have you (and this goes for all of you) actually *been* to?

as for the boondocks, it's still a cartoon. It has mild satiric use, but is still no substitute for knowledge. what do you truly know about MLK outside of that television program? You can accuse me of being snotty or snide, but that's a genuine question. What do you know about MLK and his involvement in the civil rights movement?[/QUOTE]

One myself and my wife that feels the same way as me has been to three. Even if you have never been to a gay pride parade what should it matter? If you believe they have the same rights as the rest of us and if you have grown up around gay people and understand them what is the problem?

It is not discrediting the movement it is discrediting the people that act like assholes. It is no different then any other person, I do the same of white religious people, black hoods or any other group. I do it to my own group, the white snot nosed punks. Honestly I dress like a punk but I accept it means peoples initial judgment of me is going to be that I am the same as most other punks who tend to be lippy assholes. After people talk to me most of the time they are fine with me because they see I have manors and respect.

Growing up in Ann Arbor there were gay people everywhere, fuck man I went to an "alternative school" where I had kids in the fucking class room shaving their arm pits and mixing up homeopathic remedies. Do you not think I associated with quite a few gay people? Of those I meet all different types, most are the same as anyone else but there are some flamers out there as well. The funny thing with the flamers too is that it was rarely kids that had known most of their life that they were gay, it was the kid that one day talked normal the next day he had a lisp. Much of what you want to say is gay culture is just a stereotype and I find it highly hilarious that I am being accused of discrediting them whenever I am saying they should be treated just like everyone else and that we need to accept that it is NOT their culture, their culture is our culture and there is just a small part of it that is hyper sexulized and over the top(and that when that is what is portrayed it stirs up the idiots on the right). You are doing them a discredit and I know plenty of gay people that would agree with that statement.

I think the problem here is a failure to hold the left to the same standards as the right. Look at the guy from my own district that dressed up like a Nazi and people have went nuts over it. So you dress up as a Nazi and it is ok to blast that guy pretty much as though he went out and was actually killing gays and blacks.....but you go to parades with men dressed in ass less chaps, but that has no reflection on the content of your character. He made a mistake, he is an idiot and I will not be voting for him...but not voting based on his policies not based on something so stupid. You hyper exaggerate things in the exact same way those on good ole faux news do.

Our society, both sides left and right is turned around, upside down and your all too fucked to realize it.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']@dohdough - I understand the context of the clip. I own and watch not just the cartoon show but also the comics and have read numerous interviews and articles featuring Aaron Mcgruder. I understand that much of the episode(hell much of the series)is about blaming black entertainment for encouraging a culture of ignorance(you fail to state/see that it also has a degree of self acceptance as well though). It does not change the fact though that it is a good example of how people need to be judged, which is on...well by the content of their character. On one hand the gay community wants to stand up and be taken seriously, they want the same rights and they want the same voice the rest of us have. On the other hand they want that voice to come from someone playing up a comical lisp and wearing ass less chaps. And stating that their community is just expressing itself even if to an extreme degree seems wrong headed. I know living in Ann Arbor quite a few gay people I associated with were just as disgusted by the way many at the parades act. and probably would be offended by the fact that you and so many others(even those like yourself defending them)associate those actions as "Expressing the community".

As I said Palidino is an ass and so is anyone that would even consider voting for him. Many of his statements and his actions are ugly and reprehensible. But saying that a Gay Pride Parade is not the place your kids should see you is a perfectly fair statement given the actions of far too many members of the gay community. Conduct yourself in the way you wish to be judged, its that simple.[/QUOTE]
Black entertainment is to blame? There'd be no black entertainment without white people wanting money from that demographic. Don't forget that there are about 6 media conglemerates that virtually own all the airwaves in this country. Even then, there's only ONE channel that is devoted strictly to black themed entertainment.
 
Good thing straight people don't go around naked and acting "lewd" in parades.

Wait, they still have carnival in Rio? Well shit.....
 
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