Carl Paladino on Homosexuality

[quote name='Clak']Good thing straight people don't go around naked and acting "lewd" in parades.

Wait, they still have carnival in Rio? Well shit.....[/QUOTE]
Or Victoria Secret commercials...AXE commercials...Dorito commercials...in the parks...in movie theaters...hell, it's like there's a hetero conspiracy or something...and it's all IN YOUR FACE11!!!ONEONE:shock:
 
[quote name='dohdough']Or Victoria Secret commercials...AXE commercials...Dorito commercials...in the parks...in movie theaters...hell, it's like there's a hetero conspiracy or something...and it's all IN YOUR FACE11!!!ONEONE:shock:[/QUOTE]
Don't forget those girls gone wild commercials. They just won't stop throwing it in our faces.
 
[quote name='Clak']Don't forget those girls gone wild commercials. They just won't stop throwing it in our faces.[/QUOTE]

Those girls are kissing each other and squeezing each others breasts. That's very non-hetero, those women... are.. EVIL HOMOSEXUALS!
 
Thats funny, none of those things depict white culture, rather they depict American culture.

Hmmm noone ever makes fun of Americans for eating doritos, or acting like idiots at mardi gras nope never.

I wouldn't call these things the high point of "hetero" culture, and I don't think gay people consider assless chaps the high point of their "homosexual" culture.

But for some reason assless chaps at parades are a protected aspect of gay culture. Why is that?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']what the fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

Would you complain that someone tells someone that it is inappropriate to take their kid to mardi gra? would you get mad at someone flashing their shit in the presense of your kid??

I would certainly be upset about that, and would criticize the heterosexual person from doing that kind of crap in front of children. What do you think would happen if I criticized a homosexual for wearing assless chaps in a gay pride parade? That isn't a part of homosexual culture, (I think most gay people would agree) and should and can be criticized.

Do you think all gay people walk around with a lisp? and that is some sort of trademark of their homosexuality? It isn't, and it isn't a part of their culture either.
 
[quote name='Knoell'] But for some reason assless chaps at parades are a protected aspect of gay culture. Why is that?[/QUOTE]

Uh the same reason why your doritos/idiots example is protected as part of American culture.

[quote name='Knoell'] Thats funny, none of those things depict white culture, rather they depict American culture.[/QUOTE]

What is 'white culture' Knoell?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']or mardi gras, or the 2500 nekkid bikers i saw riding through northern liberties about 3 weeks ago, or the...[/QUOTE]

Yes because Mardi Gras and youtube are meant to be a celebration of white Christian culture. As per usual we have the several far leftists(something I am generally considered by even those on the left)at this site twisting and mangling logic to try and make it fit their point because they can not do so reasonably. A gay pride parade again is supposed to be a celebration of the gay community, so again when you have people dancing around naked acting like morons it reflects on your community.

If you want to give examples of stupid white people and stupid Christians at events that reflect their culture then bring up the fucking dozens available right now. The tea baggers or the McCain rallies where we saw people with all the Osama go home or other racist signs, the Glenn Beck rallies with people doing the same and numerous pollsters release results showing that many of them did not understand current government policies they were protesting. Each group has their own out there people that represent a larger % of the base then they would like to admit, and those crazies reflect on the whole group. You guys love to in other topics point out that these people are a part of tea baggers and the Glenn Beck rally, but here again you ignore it as part of the gay pride parade and laugh it off like I am just some biggot.

Face it, you guys are the Knoells of the left. Politics is just getting more and more concentrated to one side or the other and even the smartest and most respectable of people are falling prey to it. Some of you were always sarcastic dicks who rarely made a good point(Strell)but sadly even people like Myke that used to make long posts full of links and facts are now falling prey to "har har here funny youtube link that backs my opinion". Even when I did not LIKE some of you I respected you, but now since the teabaggers have come around...your just more hyper partisans.

Anyways I guess like usual its my time to leave. I am sure the responses instead of addressing the important issues raised, namely the fact that a 16 year old kicking his drunk friend in the nuts on youtube is not the same as someone marching in a parade meant to represent a culture, will just be sarcastic comments making me out to be a homophobe even as you guys make butt hurt jokes about me not wanting to debate with people who can not even address the topic at hand like adults anymore. Like I said you guys have become the Knolls/Glenn Becks of the left.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Yes because Mardi Gras and youtube are meant to be a celebration of white Christian culture. As per usual we have the several far leftists(something I am generally considered by even those on the left)at this site twisting and mangling logic to try and make it fit their point because they can not do so reasonably. A gay pride parade again is supposed to be a celebration of the gay community, so again when you have people dancing around naked acting like morons it reflects on your community.

If you want to give examples of stupid white people and stupid Christians at events that reflect their culture then bring up the fucking dozens available right now. The tea baggers or the McCain rallies where we saw people with all the Osama go home or other racist signs, the Glenn Beck rallies with people doing the same and numerous pollsters release results showing that many of them did not understand current government policies they were protesting. Each group has their own out there people that represent a larger % of the base then they would like to admit, and those crazies reflect on the whole group. You guys love to in other topics point out that these people are a part of tea baggers and the Glenn Beck rally, but here again you ignore it as part of the gay pride parade and laugh it off like I am just some biggot.

Face it, you guys are the Knoells of the left. Politics is just getting more and more concentrated to one side or the other and even the smartest and most respectable of people are falling prey to it. Some of you were always sarcastic dicks who rarely made a good point(Strell)but sadly even people like Myke that used to make long posts full of links and facts are now falling prey to "har har here funny youtube link that backs my opinion". Even when I did not LIKE some of you I respected you, but now since the teabaggers have come around...your just more hyper partisans.

Anyways I guess like usual its my time to leave. I am sure the responses instead of addressing the important issues raised, namely the fact that a 16 year old kicking his drunk friend in the nuts on youtube is not the same as someone marching in a parade meant to represent a culture, will just be sarcastic comments making me out to be a homophobe even as you guys make butt hurt jokes about me not wanting to debate with people who can not even address the topic at hand like adults anymore. Like I said you guys have become the Knolls/Glenn Becks of the left.[/QUOTE]
But...but...straight white people!!!! Q_Q
 
[quote name='dohdough']Black entertainment is to blame? There'd be no black entertainment without white people wanting money from that demographic. Don't forget that there are about 6 media conglemerates that virtually own all the airwaves in this country. Even then, there's only ONE channel that is devoted strictly to black themed entertainment.[/QUOTE]

This I want to respond to as well since you actually took the time to make a good point. Yes it is true that even black media is largely run and own by white people. It is a shame and something I often bring up to people that follow the culture in my area. I actually wrote a paper my teacher and classmates were extremely uncomfortable with talking about this subject and how sad it is that white people are profiting off making and keeping black youth ever more ignorant.

This does not excuse people from acting ignorant though. I grew up listening to ICP and yet you do not see me running around with a hatchet tattoo with make up on my face and trying to act like some weird cross between a rocker and a gangster(fucking juggalos are the most ignorant and annoying people on the planet). At a certain point we have to take responsibilities for if not the entirety of our actions at least the majority. Other people put us down a road and we can choose to walk it, or forge our own path. It does not matter if you are someone that is gay and deciding if you want to dance through the streets naked at a parade meant to show off gay pride, if you are a young black youth choosing to skip college and buy a chain he can not afford because the music told him to, or if you are a young white youth who grew up listening to his daddy tell him the previous two groups need to be eradicated. We each have our own demons sitting on our shoulders encouraging us down the wrong path, and we each may choose the wrong one. That is why black leaders and gay leaders need to encourage their people to represent their communities in the right way, and that is why we white middle class people need to represent something other then the teabaggers....with out acting like left wing versions of them. We need to not live in an age of extremes and accept that when you choose that extreme you are judged by it.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Yes because Mardi Gras and youtube are meant to be a celebration of white Christian culture.[/QUOTE]

Are you trying to be snide and/or sarcastic? Because Mardi Gras' origins are indeed in Christian tradition.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Are you trying to be snide and/or sarcastic? Because Mardi Gras' origins are indeed in Christian tradition.[/QUOTE]

Since you gave me a civil response I will respond again. Yes Mardi Gras is a Christian holiday...and Halloween is a Pagan one. Point is that neither Mardi Gras or Halloween are celebrated in their traditional sense nor are they to be taken as examples of the modern beliefs of either religious group.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So there are no people who identify or practice as members of any Christian sect that misbehave at Mardi Gras?[/QUOTE]

I am sure there are, and I would say to them that they are misrepresenting their people and beliefs in the same way I say the gay guys prancing around like that are doing. There are two big differences here though. First off gays are currently struggling for rights. They are saying to the nation we are the same as everyone else, they are saying we can raise families and we are not sex craved maniacs. Yes it is hypocritical that white people will go and scream at young girls to show their tits at mardi gras then say "for shame, look at those gays dancing naked in the streets, it just proves they can not control themselves" but that is the world we live in. While they are struggling for their rights, you would think they would go out of their way to not do shit like that regardless of if white Catholics do it or not.

The second big difference is that Mardi Gras is pretty much something that is SUPPOSED to be a celebration of hedonism at this point in time. Yes it may have started off as a religious holiday, but I bet even most of the Christians that go to Mardi Gras are ignorant of its original intent and would probably act hypocritical and speak out against the morals of Mardi Gras in its current state. The Gay Pride parade however is not meant to be a dick shaking fest of hedonism. If you asked most gay people or their relatives what the parade is for I would imagine that many of them would respond a celebration of gay people, their culture, their struggles and many other things. So for people to show up and act that over the top portrays the image that it is what their culture is about.

If you disagree that is fine, it is your right. But can you not see where I am coming from that Mardi Gras has not really been about religion for years and years now and that Christians are not exact an oppressed group that are fighting for their rights at the moment?

Edit - Thank you btw for talking civilly and questioning me in this way vs like Strell. Just to make 100% sure this comes across right too I am not being sarcastic there, just saying I appreciate those responses.
 
I feel extremely confident in saying that most people who go to mardi gras aren't doing it because they're Christian.

edit- Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you basically arguing that people of all types do stupid shit during parades? Because if that's the case, well duh.
 
[quote name='Clak']I feel extremely confident in saying that most people who go to mardi gras aren't doing it because they're Christian.[/QUOTE]

Exactly and thank you. Really all of this is far outside of my intial point. I think the Boondocks clip was a bit strong and got people focused away from the main point, being that there is nothing wrong with saying you do not want your kids to attend, or to think you attend gay pride parades. To say things like homosexuality is a questionable life style is disgusting and as I said he should not be elected as a result. However, saying you do not want them at or thinking you yourself were at a gay pride parade is acceptable due to the fact that there is an element much like Mardi Gras to the gay pride parade(not all of it, just a section of it).
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']The second big difference is that Mardi Gras is pretty much something that is SUPPOSED to be a celebration of hedonism at this point in time. Yes it may have started off as a religious holiday, but I bet even most of the Christians that go to Mardi Gras are ignorant of its original intent and would probably act hypocritical and speak out against the morals of Mardi Gras in its current state. The Gay Pride parade however is not meant to be a dick shaking fest of hedonism. If you asked most gay people or their relatives what the parade is for I would imagine that many of them would respond a celebration of gay people, their culture, their struggles and many other things. So for people to show up and act that over the top portrays the image that it is what their culture is about.[/QUOTE]

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y'know MSI Magus, for a far lefty you're all right in my book.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the politician who was wearing the Nazi uniform a WWII re-enactor and not actually prancing around in a Nazi outfit for the hell of it?

Your example of a few people in assless chaps ruining the solidarity of the majority is exactly the "rotten apple" principle that I was trying to explain to dohdough in another thread, you just did it better.
 
[quote name='nasum']y'know MSI Magus, for a far lefty you're all right in my book.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the politician who was wearing the Nazi uniform a WWII re-enactor and not actually prancing around in a Nazi outfit for the hell of it?

Your example of a few people in assless chaps ruining the solidarity of the majority is exactly the "rotten apple" principle that I was trying to explain to dohdough in another thread, you just did it better.[/QUOTE]

Do not get me wrong, I think 98% of Republicans are rotten to the core. They hide behind patriotism and making the hard choices when all they do is fatten the wallet of their own interests(lets cut all social programs but the ones that effect me!). Do not get me wrong again, I feel Democrats are rotten too right now, I just do not think the core of most of them is black ;)

I also just can not stand people hanging people up on a cross and making a big deal out of nothing. People focus on the wrong things these days.

Edit - Anyways, thanks for the compliment and I hope you realize the above comment does not target you, I do not know you well enough to lump you in there or not.
 
[quote name='nasum']y'know MSI Magus, for a far lefty you're all right in my book.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the politician who was wearing the Nazi uniform a WWII re-enactor and not actually prancing around in a Nazi outfit for the hell of it?

Your example of a few people in assless chaps ruining the solidarity of the majority is exactly the "rotten apple" principle that I was trying to explain to dohdough in another thread, you just did it better.[/QUOTE]
Are all white people judged by the actions of a "few bad apples?" FALSE fuckING EQUIVALENCE.

What you don't seem to understand is that marginalized groups always have a more expressive element to it because they're not only being marginalized, but openly discriminated against. They're ugly, profane, lewd, animals with no self control. Does any of this sound familiar?
 
I too use Boondocks as a stone cold basis for all my political sociophilosophicalreligious argumentation. It's much easier than thinking for myself, but I guess if it hurt every time I tried to have a thought, I'd resort to terrible examples of satire to prove a "point" as well, in the same way I'd use a dog as a makeshift vacuum cleaner.
 
[quote name='Strell']I too use Boondocks as a stone cold basis for all my political sociophilosophicalreligious argumentation. It's much easier than thinking for myself, but I guess if it hurt every time I tried to have a thought, I'd resort to terrible examples of satire to prove a "point" as well, in the same way I'd use a dog as a makeshift vacuum cleaner.[/QUOTE]

*claps* And there it is.
 
You want to rumble around, big boy, come up with something that doesn't sound like it dripped out of every Philo 101 atheist undergrad's ass. But since you've never ascended higher than cricket shit arguments, I'm not exactly worried.
 
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