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[quote name='David85']Maybe, maybe not. But Christains are fucking crazy. Every fucking day some crazy wacko talks about Jesus and how if you don't follow his way (aka if you aren't Christain) you are going to hell. My favorite is the random women that went "Are you Catholic? Well God still loves you." No he fucking doesn't. Being that I'm gay he hates me. And reading parts of the Bible he hates a lot of people.[/QUOTE]

Thus proving my point that the favorite group to generalize, especially negatively, about in America today is Christians.

For the record, Christians believe that all of humanity is incapable of reaching Heaven, but that Christ has reached out to bring anyone in who will accept His invitation. I know many see it as an "exclusive" religeon - telling others they can't get in - but in reality it is an inclusive religeon. A core belief of Christianity is that God loves every person and wishes for every person to accept Christ's offer into His kingdom.

I understand if someone chooses not to believe, but the vile hatred some people have towards Christianity is baffling to me. I can only assume they have encountered "Christians" at some point along the road who were theologically way off. Either that, or they have been over-exposed to Hollywood's ridiculous infatuation with a Ned Flanders depiction of Christianity. For every Jerry Falwell that gets front-page news when he rams his foot down his throat there are 25 Billy Grahams who rarely make headlines because it's the controversy that sells the newspaper.

I'm sorry you believe that God doesn't love gay people, and I'm sorry that you believe all Christians think God hates gay people. Unfortunately, neither of your beliefs is true.
 
[quote name='chosen1s']Thus proving my point that the favorite group to generalize, especially negatively, about in America today is Christians.

For the record, Christians believe that all of humanity is incapable of reaching Heaven, but that Christ has reached out to bring anyone in who will accept His invitation. I know many see it as an "exclusive" religeon - telling others they can't get in - but in reality it is an inclusive religeon. A core belief of Christianity is that God loves every person and wishes for every person to accept Christ's offer into His kingdom.

I understand if someone chooses not to believe, but the vile hatred some people have towards Christianity is baffling to me. I can only assume they have encountered "Christians" at some point along the road who were theologically way off. Either that, or they have been over-exposed to Hollywood's ridiculous infatuation with a Ned Flanders depiction of Christianity. For every Jerry Falwell that gets front-page news when he rams his foot down his throat there are 25 Billy Grahams who rarely make headlines because it's the controversy that sells the newspaper.

I'm sorry you believe that God doesn't love gay people, and I'm sorry that you believe all Christians think God hates gay people. Unfortunately, neither of your beliefs is true.[/QUOTE]

Bout time someone makes sense....
 
I liked it too, but I never understood it. "You're motorin' ". What's that supposed to mean?

I also never could figure out whether he was mocking her, respecting her, or respecting her but still wanting her to give in to him.

Edit: I got off my butt and did some Googling. Seems it was originally "Sister Christy" and written about one of the band guy's little sisters. It's about not giving up your innocence (in general) until the time is right. He saw how fast his little sister was growing up and wrote the song. Still no explanation about "motorin".
 
Its good to see that someone actually knows what they are talking about. I have a bachelor's in religious studies (along with Social Work), which is quite interesting if anyone is in college and looking fro a few classes to take.
 
[quote name='David85']Maybe, maybe not. But Christains are fucking crazy. Every fucking day some crazy wacko talks about Jesus and how if you don't follow his way (aka if you aren't Christain) you are going to hell. My favorite is the random women that went "Are you Catholic? Well God still loves you." No he fucking doesn't. Being that I'm gay he hates me. And reading parts of the Bible he hates a lot of people.[/QUOTE]

Want a tissue?

The people above your post are right. I couldn't care less if they put a religion-themed message on their site...if this deal is legit, that's all I give a damn about.

Now...someone be the guinea pig for me.
 
[quote name='chosen1s']I understand if someone chooses not to believe, but the vile hatred some people have towards Christianity is baffling to me.[/QUOTE]

The funniest thing is it's rather a pot kettle black issue... they claim Christians do the very same things they themselves are doing in the same breath... not to even mention the generalizations they're making. It's the *exact* same thing as being a racist/bigot/sexist/etc.... period.

I'm not even religious, but this stuff sickens me to the core. It stinks to high heaven (haha :p) of hypocrisy...

Sorry, just had to comment...

Ash
 
[quote name='Grugger']Holy crap, will anyone buy something from this damn website or not?[/QUOTE]

You're welcome to. Don't be a poser, set the trend.
 
[quote name='David85']Maybe, maybe not. But Christains are fucking crazy. Every fucking day some crazy wacko talks about Jesus and how if you don't follow his way (aka if you aren't Christain) you are going to hell. My favorite is the random women that went "Are you Catholic? Well God still loves you." No he fucking doesn't. Being that I'm gay he hates me. And reading parts of the Bible he hates a lot of people.[/QUOTE]

In so far as you're unwilling to recognize and turn from your sin of homosexuality, yes, God hates you and your sin. But the core message of Christianity is the cross of Christ where he died and forgave ALL sins (yes, even being gay, which I understand some "Christian" groups seem to tout and some kind of "unforgivable" sins which is awful).

Unlike what was stated above, Christianity isn't about accepting the gift of forgivness, it's about letting God give it you and not fighting against it. As a sinner neither you nor I is able to do anything to accept what God has for us. He's the only one who can create faith and make us believe in our Savior Jesus. Christianity is exclusive. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That may seem odd at first, but what other religious leader rose from the dead?

Back on topic: anyone actually email these people to see what the deal is on these? That's a killer deal and would love to get my fiancee one for Christmas. I might do it if no one else has.
 
[quote name='daroga']In so far as you're unwilling to recognize and turn from your sin of homosexuality, yes, God hates you and your sin.[/QUOTE]

No, no, no. God doesn't hate him, just his sin. Even if he doesn't want to change, God only hates his sin.
 
[quote name='daroga']In so far as you're unwilling to recognize and turn from your sin of homosexuality, yes, God hates you and your sin. But the core message of Christianity is the cross of Christ where he died and forgave ALL sins (yes, even being gay, which I understand some "Christian" groups seem to tout and some kind of "unforgivable" sins which is awful).

Unlike what was stated above, Christianity isn't about accepting the gift of forgivness, it's about letting God give it you and not fighting against it. As a sinner neither you nor I is able to do anything to accept what God has for us. He's the only one who can create faith and make us believe in our Savior Jesus. Christianity is exclusive. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That may seem odd at first, but what other religious leader rose from the dead?

Back on topic: anyone actually email these people to see what the deal is on these? That's a killer deal and would love to get my fiancee one for Christmas. I might do it if no one else has.[/QUOTE]

I agree...except like posted above me, God hates his sin, not him. God puts all sin equal..whether its lying, homosexuality, etc. I hate groups that go on saying being gay is going to lead you to the depths of hell but then go off and launder money and indulge on living the 'fat life'.

Though I hate when people and businesses in particular tout the fact that they are "hardcore" christians in order to get more business from christians or in order for people to trust them more.

Ive been ripped off by christian and non-christian alike and dont give preference to doing business with either one.

Expecially when their website is shady as hell...haha :)
 
[quote name='btw1217']No, no, no. God doesn't hate him, just his sin. Even if he doesn't want to change, God only hates his sin.[/QUOTE]
um, no. It's one of the great seeming-paradoxes of God. God hates the sinner and sends him to hell for his sin. God loves the sinner and sent his Son to die for him. It can only be resolved at the cross of Christ where God's justice and love meet. Both truths must stand (hating and loving the sinner) because God says both in his Word.
 
[quote name='daroga']um, no. It's one of the great seeming-paradoxes of God. God hates the sinner and sends him to hell for his sin. God loves the sinner and sent his Son to die for him. It can only be resolved at the cross of Christ where God's justice and love meet. Both truths must stand (hating and loving the sinner) because God says both in his Word.[/QUOTE]

Could you give me a verse for how he hates sinners?
 
[quote name='btw1217']Could you give me a verse for how he hates sinners?[/QUOTE]

Gladly. Here are the two truths presented.

God hates the sinner:
You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.
 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the Lord abhors.
(Psalm 5:4-6)

God loves the sinner:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)
 
What my parents do for a living they get protested all the time. However these people piss me off. They sit and say your going to hell and you're wrong for doing what you do. But yet they set their with 8 cigarettes in their mouth and 9 kids from 14 dad's hanging off of them. Think before you speak or in Bible terms it's not your place to judge.
 
[quote name='daroga']Gladly. Here are the two truths presented.

God hates the sinner:
You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.
 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the Lord abhors.
(Psalm 5:4-6)

God loves the sinner:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)[/QUOTE]

Hm. Guess so.

The More You Know *star shoots across screen*
 
Enough with the OT religious ramblings. Someone let us know if they end up ordering from these people. BTW the DS has to be used because if you read the PSP product page they say its new about 5 times unlike the ds description where theres nothing about condition.
 
I find it funny that people are saying "God hates _____" or "God loves ____," basing these things on near-ancient storytelling. Why can't God speak for himself on ANYTHING? With all of the fighting and factioning and murdering in the name of religion, you'd think he'd do something to make his presence known to help quell the downfall of humanity. UNLESS, he is really a sadist and enjoys watching us kill each other over such ridiculous things. Does God even exist? Who knows. It's your choice to make that leap of faith. Is there a heaven or hell? Once again, who knows...

Why don't people stop pushing their beliefs on everyone else, like saying homosexuality is evil and they are a plague on society, which seems to be the most popular topic amongst this discussion. Who are the gays really hurting? Nobody. So you have to explain to your child why two men are holding hands. Whoopity shit... (It's better than having poor welfare jockey trash popping out more and more kids just so they can get a fatter check, while further clogging our already strained public assistance system.) I bet you also have to explain to your child why people kill each other when it's pasted all over the evening news, which is far more disturbing, IMHO.

My point here is that people should just be happy to be alive and enjoy what they are and what they have. By putting down other people based on their choices of lifestyles, beliefs and whatnot, you're only making yourself out to be the bad person. It's equally my right to go to work all week long and on Sundays just relax and not go to a church. I have my inner peace and my charitable attitude towards my fellow man. Thats all I need. I don't need an organized "spiritual" hierarchy to tell me how to live my life. People need to just learn to let people live their lives and stop being judgemental and intrusive. I have no real problem with any religion as a whole, but when people try to push their beliefs and put me down based on what "Their God" says, then I have a problem.


BTW - For the record, I'm not gay. I did, however, spend a few years in Palm Springs, which has a tremendously high gay population (Think San Francisco, but a much smaller city). I have many gay friends and they're all great people. As for me, I'm happily married and have a six-month old daughter. And if she turned out, further down the road, to like girls, both my wife and I will have NO problem with it, so long as she would be happy.

And this concludes my OT rant, now back to the original topic...
 
[quote name='Graystone']But yet they set their with 8 cigarettes in their mouth and 9 kids from 14 dad's hanging off of them. Think before you speak or in Bible terms it's not your place to judge.[/QUOTE]

I agree.
 
[quote name='Graystone']What my parents do for a living they get protested all the time. However these people piss me off. They sit and say your going to hell and you're wrong for doing what you do. But yet they set their with 8 cigarettes in their mouth and 9 kids from 14 dad's hanging off of them. Think before you speak or in Bible terms it's not your place to judge.[/QUOTE]

I'm not really sure I understand what you're saying, or what you're quoting. When Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" he was doing so to people who felt they were better than an adulterous woman because their lives were somehow "holier" than hers. If I was misunderstood to be saying I was somehow, by myself, a better person than someone who is homosexual or a murder, or a CEO who steals money from his company, I'm sorry. I'm no better than any other person in and of myself. The only way I (or anyone else for that matter) get into good terms with God is through Jesus' death on the cross which took away all of my sins. It sounds like you've had a run-in with a lot of self-righteous "Christians." If you meet someone who thinks he or she is better than you because of what they do, they've misunderstood Christianity wholly. Someone who knows their going to heaven because of Jesus and longs to have other people stop rejecting his free forgivness so they don't end up in hell is a different type of person all together.

This'll be my last post in this off-topic thread hi-jack. If anyone wants to comment further, please PM me or start a thread in an appropriate forum and let me know about it.

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Anyone order a DS yet? ;)
 
If the deal seems to good to be true....you guys know the rest. Then again, some of the best deals in life sometimes come from risk, so go figure. :)

As far as the OT debate. I consider myself a Christian. I don't go to church on Sunday, but I try to live my life right, help those that I can, and I know without a doubt I'm far from perfect, and no better than that guy or lady sitting over there. I do not deserve God's grace, yet I am grateful for the sacrifice Jesus made for me. I believe that, it is a leap of faith that I choose to take. Of course I want everyone to believe it as truth. It's my "job" as a Christian to spread the word so to speak, sure alot is my human nature driven desire to be right. But it's not going to help if I shove it down everybody's throat and damn you to hell for your thoughts. He gave us free will to determine that. That is my honest belief.

People have a point, there are radical Christians who would turn the stomach of the purest hearted human out there. On the same note, there are those who are just as loud and harsh on the other side of the debate.

That said, I've been fucked harder by the good "Christian" with the Bible verse on the door, than the most crooked asshole salesman.
Church now, many times, is a status symbol sadly. If you notice, most of the rich corporate big wigs are the most church going people you've ever met. Never turn your back on them, they are going to make themselves feel better and try to buy their way into Heaven.

Hell, I've watched R rated movies, porn, played GTA, drink, (used to smoke), divorced, burp, fart....I'm human....nobody's perfect. :)
I'm such a bad man. I just hope that chick from Trading Spouses doesn't come sit on me in the name of toofless gawd warriors everywhere.
 
you people and you useless OT nonsense. anyway on more important note they have kiddie pron on thier about page
 
[quote name='howlinmad']
As far as the OT debate. I consider myself a Christian. I don't go to church on Sunday, but I try to live my life right, help those that I can, and I know without a doubt I'm far from perfect, and no better than that guy or lady sitting over there. I do not deserve God's grace, yet I am grateful for the sacrifice Jesus made for me. I believe that, it is a leap of faith that I choose to take. Of course I want everyone to believe it as truth. It's my "job" as a Christian to spread the word so to speak, sure alot is my human nature driven desire to be right. But it's not going to help if I shove it down everybody's throat and damn you to hell for your thoughts. He gave us free will to determine that. That is my honest belief.

People have a point, there are radical Christians who would turn the stomach of the purest hearted human out there. On the same note, there are those who are just as loud and harsh on the other side of the debate.

That said, I've been fucked harder by the good "Christian" with the Bible verse on the door, than the most crooked asshole salesman.
Church now, many times, is a status symbol sadly. If you notice, most of the rich corporate big wigs are the most church going people you've ever met. Never turn your back on them, they are going to make themselves feel better and try to buy their way into Heaven.

Hell, I've watched R rated movies, porn, played GTA, drink, (used to smoke), divorced, burp, fart....I'm human....nobody's perfect. :)
I'm such a bad man. I just hope that chick from Trading Spouses doesn't come sit on me in the name of toofless gawd warriors everywhere.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't have said it better myself. I, too, am a Christian and I feel exactly the same. I can't stand radical "Christians" and I wanted to give that woman from Trading Spouses a punch in the face. (I'm human too).

I'm not going to try to force Christianity into anyone. I wouldn't even mention it unless the topic came up. And I fully understand where most everyone in this thread is coming from. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I believe that there are as many atheists as there are today because of all of the radical "Christians" out there.
 
[quote name='Otherguy676']USF (University of South Florida) for Undergrad
FSU (Florida State Universtiy - current) for grad[/QUOTE]

:whistle2:?
 
[quote name='daroga']Gladly. Here are the two truths presented.

God hates the sinner:
You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.
 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.
 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the Lord abhors.
(Psalm 5:4-6)

God loves the sinner:
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)[/QUOTE]

I would suggest you're taking the Psalms verse out of context. If God hates all who do wrong, and we can all agree that every person has done wrong at some point, you would have to assume that God hates everyone. This can get pretty deep theologically and a message board is hardly the place for a 5-page discertation. However...

The verse clearly communicates that God is intolerant of sin, and of sinners - but He loves all people. That sounds illogical, but look at it this way. I hate broken PS2's. But if I come across a broken PS2 I don't hate it - I have compassion and want to get it fixed, because I love it. God does hate to see His creation self-destruct. However, the Gospel CLEARLY indicates that God's love for all people drives His desire to see all saved. If a person dies without ever accepting His offer of salvation, God hates that, and the life of sin that brought them down that road. However, he hates it because He loves YOU so completely. What he hates is that such a precious thing has been lost. He wants ALL people to have salvation and spend eternity with Him.

2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
 
WTF!?! I skip to the last page to find out if the deal is real and stumble into this garbage - take it elsewhere please.
 
If "god" puts all sins equal then why are there 10 Commendments that no one follows, and the Bible Belt fuckers vote for people who break the majority of them, but being gay (which isn't on the fucknig list) is a huge no no?

The Christain reglion is a regligion is one of hate and lies.
 
[quote name='David85']If "god" puts all sins equal then why are there 10 Commendments that no one follows, and the Bible Belt fuckers vote for people who break the majority of them, but being gay (which isn't on the fucknig list) is a huge no no?

The Christain reglion is a regligion is one of hate and lies.[/QUOTE]

The Ten Commandments were given to the Hebrews after they left Egypt. They weren't given to us, but they do apply to us. They are a basic set of laws, not a complete set.

I view homosexuality as no better or worse than any other sin. In my opinion, it's just as bad as anything else. I do, however, view it as more morally wrong than say, stealing a piece of bubble gum. Sins and bad morals are different.
 
I implore you, please, please take the religion debate to the off-topic board, or PM each other. I doubt I'm the only one who doesn't want to sift through the OT posts while looking to see if anyone has found out if this deal is legitmate.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']you people and you useless OT nonsense. anyway on more important note they have kiddie pron on thier about page[/QUOTE]


is there anything worth looking at?
 
Jesus peeps, understand that the goal is to send the owner of this store satanic messages for loving god so much.:wave:
 
Seriously, if we all put in our 3 minutes to send the owner satanic e-mails then she'll be flooded with em' and be so scared she'll shut down c'mon peeps.

Someone post her e-mail, cmon guys.
 
[quote name='btw1217']The Ten Commandments were given to the Hebrews after they left Egypt. They weren't given to us, but they do apply to us. They are a basic set of laws, not a complete set.

I view homosexuality as no better or worse than any other sin. In my opinion, it's just as bad as anything else. I do, however, view it as more morally wrong than say, stealing a piece of bubble gum. Sins and bad morals are different.[/QUOTE]

How can it be a sin if it they are born that way?

It is NOT their fault.

Wouldn't God, by logic, blame himself for allowing them to become homosexuals?
 
[quote name='Requiem']How can it be a sin if it they are born that way?

It is NOT their fault.

Wouldn't God, by logic, blame himself for allowing them to become homosexuals?[/QUOTE]

Everyone is born into sin, except for Adam, Eve, and Jesus. (Adam and Eve weren't really "born".)

There was no sin until the whole Adam and Eve disobeyed, blah blah blah. After that, everyone is born into sin.

---EDIT---
By the way, people. I'm not preaching or anything. As long as the questions keep coming, I'll keep answering them if I can.

I'm just answering questions, not trying to convert anyone.
 
[quote name='btw1217']The Ten Commandments were given to the Hebrews after they left Egypt. They weren't given to us, but they do apply to us. They are a basic set of laws, not a complete set.

I view homosexuality as no better or worse than any other sin. In my opinion, it's just as bad as anything else. I do, however, view it as more morally wrong than say, stealing a piece of bubble gum. Sins and bad morals are different.[/QUOTE]

My moral are fine jackass. I have never stole anything, and stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong, hurting someone is wrong. Loving someone of the same sex is not wrong. It doesn't kill anyone, it doesn't hurt anyone.

The Catholic religion is one of hate, lies, and hypocrats. Being gay is a sin, but owning, beating, and killing of slaves isn't? Get the fucking reglion of hate out of companies.
 
[quote name='David85']My moral are fine jackass. I have never stole anything, and stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong, hurting someone is wrong. Loving someone of the same sex is not wrong. It doesn't kill anyone, it doesn't hurt anyone.
[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%... refer back to my previous post.
 
[quote name='David85']My moral are fine jackass. I have never stole anything, and stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong, hurting someone is wrong. Loving someone of the same sex is not wrong. It doesn't kill anyone, it doesn't hurt anyone.

The Catholic religion is one of hate, lies, and hypocrats. Being gay is a sin, but owning, beating, and killing of slaves isn't? Get the fucking reglion of hate out of companies.[/QUOTE]

lol, I never said you have bad morals. And yes, homosexuality is wrong. And yes, owning, beating, and killing slaves is a sin and is wrong too.
 
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