CNN Fires Rick Sanchez

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Sanchez said that Stewart is bigoted toward "everybody else that's not like him." He said Stewart "can't relate to what I grew up with," saying his family had been poor and he had seen prejudice directed at his father.
Sanchez dismisses it when Dominick points out that Stewart, who is Jewish, is also a minority.
"I'm telling you that everyone who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart, and to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?" Sanchez said, adding a sarcastic "yeah."
"I can't see someone not getting a job these days because they're Jewish," he said.
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I thought this was the money quote.
Sanchez called "The Daily Show's" Jon Stewart "a bigot" and then said that he was bigoted against "everybody else who's not like him. Look at his show, I mean, what does he surround himself with?"
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Thank god they fired that idiot.
 
Didn't he also diss Fox News? Hmm...

Foolish CNN, sure he said an extremely common anti-Semitic remark, but don't they realize they need him? If they don't fill the 24 hours with some idiot, just what are they going to do? Hire a bigger fucker? Actually have people do their jobs as journalists?
 
Sanchez was a cock anyway. The worst kind of newscaster, like those guys with major egos that have to be top dog at a local news channel. A total stereotype.

CNN will be better off without him. Give his gigs to Betty Nguyen. And make her wear french maid outfits while on the clock.
 
Yeah, his show sucked. I'm not sad to see him go.

Plus just no way they could keep him. It wasn't just that he was being anti-semantic, he directly insulted his bosses.
 
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"He's upset that someone of my ilk is almost at his level," Sanchez said during a satellite radio interview with Pete Dominick.
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Love that quote. A newcaster on CNN believes himself to "almost" be at the same level as a comedian on Comedy Central?

Good riddance though. He's just another one of those loud, over opinionated "reporters" that have become far too prevalent since the dawn of the 24-hour new networks. Won't miss him in the least.

Ah, Rick, we'll miss your genius.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']CNN will be better off without him. Give his gigs to Betty Nguyen. And make her wear french maid outfits while on the clock.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately that'll never happen as Betty left CNN a while ago to join CBS News.
 
[quote name='shosh']so fox news is gonna get another token latino?[/QUOTE]

LOL

I was just thinking that, Glenn Beck all over again. Fox news has discovered the secret to alchemy - they can turn shit into ratings.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Unfortunately that'll never happen as Betty left CNN a while ago to join CBS News.[/QUOTE]

I thought it was Erica Hill that left? I did see her the other night filling in. Betty's gone too?
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All I know is if most people, and the US Census Bureau just looks at both Rick Sanchez and Jon Stewart the first thing that comes to mind is "white" not Cuban and Jewish.
 
I saw that episode of the Daily show, I thought it was hilarious. I can't beleive Sanchez flew off the handle about a little joke.
 
"He's not just a comedian. ... He can make and break careers," Sanchez said.
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:rofl:

edit- Sanchez was also pretty insulting to CNN itself, I don't remember if Imus ever insulted his owners or not.
 
[quote name='Clak']:rofl:

edit- Sanchez was also pretty insulting to CNN itself, I don't remember if Imus ever insulted his owners or not.[/QUOTE]

True, but the speed with which Sanchez was gone was surprising. Usually, you at least see a suspension, a weighing of options, then they are let go. I mean, Nancy Grace possibly contributed to a woman committing suicide and less was done. Heck, Dog the Bounty Hunter said more offensive stuff than Sanchez and was allowed back on air. Not that he is equal to a talking head on TV, but they still are both high profile individuals.
 
Yeah I think it was more the insulting the company and his bosses than the offensiveness of the comments in general that got him shit canned so quickly.

Not really surprising, most anyone who says something like that about their employer is getting fired immediately.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']All I know is if most people, and the US Census Bureau just looks at both Rick Sanchez and Jon Stewart the first thing that comes to mind is "white" not Cuban and Jewish.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='GuilewasNK']True, but the speed with which Sanchez was gone was surprising. Usually, you at least see a suspension, a weighing of options, then they are let go. I mean, Nancy Grace possibly contributed to a woman committing suicide and less was done. Heck, Dog the Bounty Hunter said more offensive stuff than Sanchez and was allowed back on air. Not that he is equal to a talking head on TV, but they still are both high profile individuals.[/QUOTE]
I mostly agree. After listening to the entire exchange, Sanchez isn't talking about Jewish people, he was talking about middle to upper-middle class limousine liberals that talk a good talk, but still have fairly bigoted views. So he wasn't being anti-semetic and talking about Jewish people, but he was talking about white people. He's talking about white privilege and ignorance in the liberal environment, which isn't a radical statement to make.
 
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His show was indeed painfully dumb. Didn't they have a segment called the "Person U Don't Want 2 B" (which was spelled as such)? If so, fuck that show.
 
Kinda dumb guy, not a very good show.

Don't worry about it guys. Eric Erickson will still be at CNN. Pat Buchanan will still work at MSNBC. Marty Peretz will still own/edit The New Republic.

So it goes.
 
If he is talking about white people, why does he specifically mention Jews? The guy was a lead anchor on CNN, I'd say that's doing pretty damn well career wise. He seems to be pulling the race card where it isn't warranted, they didn't fire him because he's Cuban, they fired him because he's a dumbass who spouted off at the mouth when he shouldn't have.
 
[quote name='Clak']If he is talking about white people, why does he specifically mention Jews? The guy was a lead anchor on CNN, I'd say that's doing pretty damn well career wise. He seems to be pulling the race card where it isn't warranted, they didn't fire him because he's Cuban, they fired him because he's a dumbass who spouted off at the mouth when he shouldn't have.[/QUOTE]
Jewish people are considered white. He mentioned the Jewish because the person that interviewed him said that being Cuban or Jewish meant that you're a minority, but that simply doesn't apply when people treat you based on the color of your skin tone. Sanchez may pass for white and be treated like he's white, but he's not and doesn't associate with being white because that's not the experience he grew up with. I'm not sure how much you know about racism, but what he's saying is pretty consistant with this phenomenon of lily white limousine liberals talking a good talk, but when it comes to practice, they're no better than the tea baggers. This is really nothing new to people of color.

His critique of Stewart is also valid because of some of the things that Stewart said has also made me do a double take at times. Personally, I think Colbert is a better at confronting racism and ignorance in his satire than Stewart does in whatever you call what he does.
 
I seriously doubt that Jon Stewart is a bigot, and "limousine liberal" is just a conservative insult against liberals. Jewish people have suffered as much as any other minority in America, and that is despite them being "white". Sure it isn't as bad a it once was, but it isn't as bad for any minority in the U.S. as it once was. Actually I'd concede that it's worse for people of middle eastern decent right now, but I think many people have been expecting that for the last few years.

This guy simply can't take criticism, and I'm sure that he doesn't like the fact that Stewart's show is based around satirizing news shows and their anchors. You know, the very field Sanchez is in. I'm glad other folks at CNN can take a joke, otherwise Larry King would be on a rampage.
 
[quote name='Clak']I seriously doubt that Jon Stewart is a bigot, and "limousine liberal" is just a conservative insult against liberals.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty far on the left and I use it all the time. This isn't a case of No True Scotsman. Liberalism, liberals, and the liberal movement are not exempt from criticism. We, on the left, also have serious issues. Limousine liberals is a valid criticism from the right. Believe me, I wish it wasn't the case.

Jewish people have suffered as much as any other minority in America, and that is despite them being "white". Sure it isn't as bad a it once was, but it isn't as bad for any minority in the U.S. as it once was.
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This is simply not true. We're not going to play the oppression olympics here, but blacks and mexicans still have it pretty damn bad right now and Jewish people aren't coming close to the same kind of treatment they are in the US. Now Europe is a completely different argument, but that debate is for another thread.

Actually I'd concede that it's worse for people of middle eastern decent right now, but I think many people have been expecting that for the last few years.
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If by worse, you mean that racism and bigotry is being brought to the forefront, then I agree, but I feel this does a great disservice to other people of color that have been experiencing these things for hundreds of years. But what's worse is why many people have been expecting it instead of being surprised that they are experiencing it because they shouldn't be.

This guy simply can't take criticism, and I'm sure that he doesn't like the fact that Stewart's show is based around satirizing news shows and their anchors. You know, the very field Sanchez is in. I'm glad other folks at CNN can take a joke, otherwise Larry King would be on a rampage.
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I'm not saying that Sanchez can take a joke, but that's not what we're really focusing on. We're focusing on Sanchez being fired for comments being anti-semitic, when they're really not. If you listen to the entire audio, you can tell that he's talking about white people, not Jewish people.
 
[quote name='dohdough']I mostly agree. After listening to the entire exchange, Sanchez isn't talking about Jewish people, he was talking about middle to upper-middle class limousine liberals that talk a good talk, but still have fairly bigoted views. So he wasn't being anti-semetic and talking about Jewish people, but he was talking about white people. He's talking about white privilege and ignorance in the liberal environment, which isn't a radical statement to make.[/QUOTE]

No - he was clearly talking about Jews.

[quote name='"Rick Sanchez"']"I'm telling you that everyone who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart, and to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?" Sanchez said, adding a sarcastic "yeah."
"I can't see someone not getting a job these days because they're Jewish," he said.[/QUOTE]
 
I don't think he was fired for making anti-semitic comments, I think he was fired for bad mouthing CNN. And I believe I said in my post that things in the U.S have certainly improved for Jews, but then it has for most minorities as well. Short of slavery, Jews were treated about as badly in the U.S. as any other minority group.
 
[quote name='camoor']No - he was clearly talking about Jews.[/QUOTE]
You're taking the quote out of a quote taken out of context from the linked article. Listen to the audio and then get back to me.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']True, but the speed with which Sanchez was gone was surprising. Usually, you at least see a suspension, a weighing of options, then they are let go. I mean, Nancy Grace possibly contributed to a woman committing suicide and less was done. Heck, Dog the Bounty Hunter said more offensive stuff than Sanchez and was allowed back on air. Not that he is equal to a talking head on TV, but they still are both high profile individuals.[/QUOTE]

Well Dog and Imus made offensive remarks about blacks. Rick Sanchez made remarks about Jews... see a difference? ;)
 
[quote name='dohdough']You're taking the quote out of a quote taken out of context from the linked article. Listen to the audio and then get back to me.[/QUOTE]

No need, I've stated my peace and supplied hard evidence.

I don't think you know what it means to 'take something out of context'. But I'll give you a shot - show me the transcript that proves it's out of context and explain to me what Sanchez means when he says "they, the people in this country who are Jewish" run all the networks.
 
Stewart brought up the issue in his opening monologue to "Stars," which he hosted at Manhattan's Beacon Theatre.

In talking about how people should donate for autism education, for which the show raises money, Stewart said: "If you went on radio and said the Jews control the media...you may want to hold on to your money."

But if Sanchez was right about the Jews, Stewart also suggested, "All he has to do is apologize to us, and we'll hire him back."

The Sanchez topic came up again when Letterman made a surprise guest appearance. The late-night host told Stewart that he was just in the city "helping Rick Sanchez clean out his office."
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i5a116168a138e4eed6c378d6b9cedfd6
 
[quote name='camoor']No need, I've stated my peace and supplied hard evidence.[/QUOTE]
You supplied a quote of a qoute taken out of context and didn't even listen to the audio or read the transcript.

I don't think you know what it means to 'take something out of context'. But I'll give you a shot - show me the transcript that proves it's out of context and explain to me what Sanchez means when he says "they, the people in this country who are Jewish" run all the networks.
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He wouldn't have mention anthing Jewish if the host didn't mention that Cubans and Jewish people are both minorities. That was when Sanchez said that Jewish people aren't oppressed.

Here's the (tentative)transcript and try to ignore the commentary above it(I'm looking for a more complete one):
http://www.thewrap.com/media/articl...-sanchez-meltdown-sirius-radio-21386?page=0,0

Your quote was taken out of context because you conveniently don't add the host pushing the Jewish angle and trying to say that they're currently an oppressed minority like blacks, Latinos, Asians, or middle-easterners. Your pulling the exact kind of bullshit that Sanchez is talking about with liberal elitists. He's talking about racism within the Left.
 
Sanchez is trying to act like a victim, and in this case he's only a victim of his own stupidity. He isn't being discriminated against, he's trying to put forth the idea that Jews have it good while Latinos don't. This from a guy who was a lead anchor on a national news network, he's the one who felt like Stewart was above him somehow, I don't anyone else ever said he was.

This is solely about him feeling insulted by what Stewart said. Frankly, if you can't take criticism then stay out of the public eye. You think Stewart goes crying every time he's made fun of?
 
[quote name='Clak']Sanchez is trying to act like a victim, and in this case he's only a victim of his own stupidity. He isn't being discriminated against, he's trying to put forth the idea that Jews have it good while Latinos don't. This from a guy who was a lead anchor on a national news network, he's the one who felt like Stewart was above him somehow, I don't anyone else ever said he was.[/QUOTE]

Read the transcript or listen to the audio.

This is solely about him feeling insulted by what Stewart said. Frankly, if you can't take criticism then stay out of the public eye. You think Stewart goes crying every time he's made fun of?
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Again, read the transcript or listen to the audio.

Stewart's father was a scientist and his mother was a teacher and they lived in the suburbs. Sanchez' father was a poor blue collar worker. Sanchez pointed that out and no, Jewish people are not even close to being oppressed to the level of people of color. All discrimination is not equal.

White privilege does not mean that all white people have it better than all people of color. It means that most white people have it better than most people of color in the same respective socio-economic classes. Sanchez was talking about being marginalized as a Latino man and primarily talking about racism.
 
Alright, read the whole transcript. You know the vibe I got from it? Sanchez has a chip on his shoulder.

All of that. And, when you turn on a show or listen to someone’s writings and they minimize you and treat you like you don't matter, like you're just a piece of-- your just a dumb, like you're a dumb jock or a dumb woman or a dumb Puerto Rican or a dumb Cuban or another dumb Mexican, which is the way I feel whenever I watch Jon Stewart. I can’t help but say, and you just asked me why I wrote this book, I wrote this book because I want people to know that I don't just sit there and read the teleprompter. Now, here’s my second point on that if I did just sit there and read…
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I'm guessing he grew up and took a lot of flak for being Cuban, now whenever someone makes fun of him, that must be why. Every time he's made fun of those old memories resurface and i's like he's a little kid being made of all over again. Except now you're an adult Rick, an adult in the public eye. People are going to make fun of you, especially if you do something dumb, and you aren't perfect so of course there is something out there to be made fun of.

Jon Stewart is a comedian, he cracks jokes on people. If you can't handle that then maybe you shouldn't work in a capacity where you're exposed to public scorn and criticism.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-26-2007/sanchez-overboard

Shit like the above is what got his panties in a twist. A little harmless fun at someone's expense. He could have just laughed and moved on like most people, but he had to blow up and make a big stink about it. Stewart's entire show is a spoof on news shows, he's a spoof of news anchors. Put 2 and 2 together, Rick.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Read the transcript or listen to the audio.


Again, read the transcript or listen to the audio.

Stewart's father was a scientist and his mother was a teacher and they lived in the suburbs. Sanchez' father was a poor blue collar worker. Sanchez pointed that out and no, Jewish people are not even close to being oppressed to the level of people of color. All discrimination is not equal.

White privilege does not mean that all white people have it better than all people of color. It means that most white people have it better than most people of color in the same respective socio-economic classes. Sanchez was talking about being marginalized as a Latino man and primarily talking about racism.[/QUOTE]
He was talking about Jon Stewart being a bigot, those are his words, not mine.

To a certain extent Jon Stewart and Colbert are the same way. I think Jon Stewart’s a bigot.
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This isn't about racism or bigotry, it's about him not being able to take being made fun of. If he is, then it must be because the mean old Jew is picking on him because he's Cuban, it can't be because he does things which are easy to make fun of. By his reasoning, Jon Stewart is a bigot if he makes fun of anyone not like himself. Try making a living as a comedian while only making fun of people just like yourself.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Read the transcript or listen to the audio.


Again, read the transcript or listen to the audio.

Stewart's father was a scientist and his mother was a teacher and they lived in the suburbs. Sanchez' father was a poor blue collar worker. Sanchez pointed that out and no, Jewish people are not even close to being oppressed to the level of people of color. All discrimination is not equal.

White privilege does not mean that all white people have it better than all people of color. It means that most white people have it better than most people of color in the same respective socio-economic classes. Sanchez was talking about being marginalized as a Latino man and primarily talking about racism.[/QUOTE]

So how does that tie into Rick Sanchez's comments about Jews controlling the news media and Jon being a bigot?
 
[quote name='dohdough']Jewish people are not even close to being oppressed to the level of people of color.[/QUOTE]

I'd rather pick cotton than build a fucking pyramid.
 
[quote name='Clak']He was talking about Jon Stewart being a bigot, those are his words, not mine.

This isn't about racism or bigotry, it's about him not being able to take being made fun of. If he is, then it must be because the mean old Jew is picking on him because he's Cuban, it can't be because he does things which are easy to make fun of. By his reasoning, Jon Stewart is a bigot if he makes fun of anyone not like himself. Try making a living as a comedian while only making fun of people just like yourself.[/QUOTE]

It's not about racism or bigotry when Sanchez himself says it's about racism and bigotry? How about racism and prejudice then since he later corrects himself?

So tell me, what does this mean then?
[quote name='R Sanchez'] White folks usually don't see it. But we do - those of us who are minorities and women see it sometimes too from men in authority. Here, I’ll give you my example its this 'You know what, I don't want you anchoring anymore, I really don't see you as an anchor, I see you more as a reporter, I see you more as a John Quinones - you know the guy on ABC. That’s what he told me. He told me he saw me as John Quinones. Now, did he not realize that he was telling me, ‘When I see you I think of Hispanic reporters’? Cause in his mind I can’t be an anchor. An anchor is what you give the high-profile white guys, you know. So he knocks me down to that and compares me to that and it happens all the time i think. To a certain extent Jon Stewart and Colbert are the same way. I think Jon Stewart’s a bigot.[/quote]

What you guys are missing is that Jewish is white and white people are going to act white, and white people acting white is not a good thing because white people are pretty damn ignorant.

[quote name='camoor']So how does that tie into Rick Sanchez's comments about Jews controlling the news media and Jon being a bigot?[/QUOTE]
Easy, he never said that Jews controlled the news media because he was talking about white people, not Jewish people. The only time anything Jewish related was inserted into the conversation was when Dominick tried to white knight Stewart and say that Jewish people are also minorities, but they haven't been in any real way since way before the turn of the 20th century. Hell, it probably wasn't bad even in the 19th century.

As far as Stewart being a bigot? I bet he is and he has some bigoted views. Just because someone doesn't wear a white hood or burns crosses doesn't mean that they don't have views based on racism or prejudice. The white perspective on this is so prevalent and seems to be the only one that matters.

[quote name='Clak']Alright, read the whole transcript. You know the vibe I got from it? Sanchez has a chip on his shoulder.

I'm guessing he grew up and took a lot of flak for being Cuban, now whenever someone makes fun of him, that must be why. Every time he's made fun of those old memories resurface and i's like he's a little kid being made of all over again. Except now you're an adult Rick, an adult in the public eye. People are going to make fun of you, especially if you do something dumb, and you aren't perfect so of course there is something out there to be made fun of.[/QUOTE]
He still gets flak for being a person of color. So what if he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe the white people around him should stop acting like bigoted and ignorant white people then. Is it his fault that people are being racist towards him? Of course not. It's the onus of racist people to not act racist. Which is what he sheds light on because he was being interviewed to promote a book he wrote on this.same.issue.

Jon Stewart is a comedian, he cracks jokes on people. If you can't handle that then maybe you shouldn't work in a capacity where you're exposed to public scorn and criticism.
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Which is fine, but that's not Sanchez' point.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-26-2007/sanchez-overboard

Shit like the above is what got his panties in a twist. A little harmless fun at someone's expense. He could have just laughed and moved on like most people, but he had to blow up and make a big stink about it. Stewart's entire show is a spoof on news shows, he's a spoof of news anchors. Put 2 and 2 together, Rick.
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Sure, but it was also Dominick that took it personally when Sanchez hinted that Stewart has white bias.

[quote name='crunchb3rry']I'd rather pick cotton than build a fucking pyramid.[/QUOTE]
The Thirteen Commandments was not a documentary. Modern egytologists pretty much agree that Jewish slaves did not build the pyramids and have been saying that for decades. Sorry to burst that bubble.
 
Of course the guy took it personally when Sanchez began insulting Stewart, he's worked for the guy and I'm assuming is a friend of his. I'd be upset if someone accused a friend of mine of being a bigot too, especially if it wasn't justified.

And I'm sure that the Jewish population would like to know they're no longer considered a minority group.
 
[quote name='Clak']Of course the guy took it personally when Sanchez began insulting Stewart, he's worked for the guy and I'm assuming is a friend of his. I'd be upset if someone accused a friend of mine of being a bigot too, especially if it wasn't justified.[/quote]

That's why Sanchez walked it back a bit and said that Stewart has prejudices as well as explaining why he said it. But again, it's more about being white then Jewish.

And I'm sure that the Jewish population would like to know they're no longer considered a minority group.
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No more than Italians, the Irish, Germans, French, Swedes, Polish, Russians...etc. They're white. Part of being an oppressed minority is lack of institutional power. This is not the case for Jewish people.
 
Most people still make a distinction between someone who is of European descent and someone who is Jewish. Tell me that hasidic Jews are just another group of white folks, that they just blend into a group of white people. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about a race of people, but also a religious group. People of those races you listed are likely to be Christian, the majority religion on this planet. Do you think Jews feel like any other white person when people start talking about how this is a "Christian nation"?
 
[quote name='Clak']Most people still make a distinction between someone who is of European descent and someone who is Jewish. Tell me that hasidic Jews are just another group of white folks, that they just blend into a group of white people. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about a race of people, but also a religious group. People of those races you listed are likely to be Christian, the majority religion on this planet. Do you think Jews feel like any other white person when people start talking about how this is a "Christian nation"?[/QUOTE]
This is part of what makes talking about race complicated. "Blending in" is a big part of it. Religion in itself is a bit of a choice(not to say it isn't indoctrinated/highly influenced), but you can't choose what color you're born. I also understand that depending on which area the Jewish person is from, their skintone can be dark or light. This is also why I say context is important with this particular case because Sanchez inserts the initial qualifier as "white" and not "Jew."

I understand that Jewish is interchangable between race and religion, but it's clearly race as color in this case. Sanchez is no Mel Gibson and I'd be one of the first to call him out as an anti-semitic prick if I thought he was one as racism is something I'm very familiar with.
 
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