CNN Fires Rick Sanchez

Forget it, I'm done with you and your revisionist history dohdough. I haven't read anything that ignorant since Ahmadinejad gave his last UN speech.
 
I haven't read the back and forth in this thread over the past few hours, but if the argument Sanchez is trying to make is that he experiences discrimination Jews don't because they "pass for white" and he doesn't - well, that's a bit far fetched to me. Many Latinos don't pass for white - but many do, including Sanchez, I'm sure.
 
[quote name='camoor']Forget it, I'm done with you and your revisionist history dohdough. I haven't read anything that ignorant since Ahmadinejad gave his last UN speech.[/QUOTE]

Hold on there, don't shit and leave.

Are you saying that Jewish people as a race, ethinicity, and/or religion are underrepresented in media, underrepresented in management level positions, hold virtually no institutional power, disenfranchised, impoverished, marginalized, enjoy imprisonment ratios of 1 to 4, have high infant mortality rates for their respective socio-economic classes, generational double digit unemployment rates, barred from ecomomic mobility by law, and rounded up and brought back to their "home" country in modern day US or even the last 100 years in the US? How is this revisionist? Prove it like the good progressive that bases his ideology on facts and not the white patriarchy. We're not talking Europe here and never have.

Upon reviewing my previous posts, I made a mistake: it's the Ten Commandments, not the Thirteen. But the fact that modern acheological evidence strongly suggests that the pyramids were not built by Hebrew slaves. Or do you propose that Nova, Harvard Mag, and National Geographic are wrong and have an anti-semite agenda?

And then you compare my statements about Jewish people not being persecuted minorities in modern day US, and I'm assuming the pyramids, as being revisionist and on par with Ahmadinejad? Way to false equivalence.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Hold on there, don't shit and leave.

Are you saying that Jewish people as a race, ethinicity, and/or religion are underrepresented in media, underrepresented in management level positions, hold virtually no institutional power, disenfranchised, impoverished, marginalized, enjoy imprisonment ratios of 1 to 4, have high infant mortality rates for their respective socio-economic classes, generational double digit unemployment rates, barred from ecomomic mobility by law, and rounded up and brought back to their "home" country in modern day US or even the last 100 years in the US? How is this revisionist? Prove it like the good progressive that bases his ideology on facts and not the white patriarchy. We're not talking Europe here and never have.

Upon reviewing my previous posts, I made a mistake: it's the Ten Commandments, not the Thirteen. But the fact that modern acheological evidence strongly suggests that the pyramids were not built by Hebrew slaves. Or do you propose that Nova, Harvard Mag, and National Geographic are wrong and have an anti-semite agenda?

And then you compare my statements about Jewish people not being persecuted minorities in modern day US, and I'm assuming the pyramids, as being revisionist and on par with Ahmadinejad? Way to false equivalence.[/QUOTE]

Heck no. Don't strawman me.

I was referring to your comment that "[Jewish people haven't been minorities] in any real way since way before the turn of the 20th century. Hell, it probably wasn't bad even in the 19th century."

That's pretty ignorant.
 
[quote name='camoor']Heck no. Don't strawman me.

I was referring to your comment that "[Jewish people haven't been minorities] in any real way since way before the turn of the 20th century. Hell, it probably wasn't bad even in the 19th century."

That's pretty ignorant.[/QUOTE]
If you thought I was referring to Jewish people being an oppressed minority in the European contexts of WW1 and 2, then yeah, you'd be right. That'd make me a holocaust denier. But I'm not.

On the otherhand, in the US, it wasn't quite as bad and at the risk of playing the oppression olympics, the Chinese had it much worse and still Asians in general don't have it as good as the Jewish.

At any rate, the point still stands that Jewish equals white and colorism is a large factor in racism.

Like I've said, Sanchez got butthurt when Stewart made fun of him, that's fine, I don't deny that, but we can not vilify Sanchez for talking about white people and how he's been discrimiated against by people on the "Left" that he wrote about in a book when that's exactly what he was doing on that radio. In that context, his comments aren't anti-semitic.

I found a longer version of the interview and am listening to it right now so please hold on commenting until I can finish. This post is a post in progress. TIA.:D

edit: Oh shit. Start from 12:00, but you should listen to the whole thing. Totally not anti-semitism. This is also the longest clip I've found so far at 20 minutes.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rick-sanchez-calls-jon-stewart-a-bigot-says-cnn-is-run-by-jews/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk9QYuslcP8
 
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Alright this is going a little too far for me, we've gone from Jon Stewart being a bigot to discussing who built the pyramids.

Just for the record, I'm sure Sanchez has been discriminated against, although at the same time (if we're going to talk about skin color) I doubt many people would know he's latin were it not for his last name. I don't know if Stewart ever has been, hopefully he grew up in a tolerant area. I know plenty of people in this country are still anti-semitic, you just have to go to the right areas. Jews have been dsicriminated against plenty in the U.S. Sure it's gotten better for them, but that doesn't change the past. I hope some day it gets better for latinos too, but I also hope that no one tries to forget their past desrimination either.

If Sanchez is upset about being dsicriminated against that's fine, I would be too, but he's taking it out on Stewart when I don't think he deserves it. He just seemed pissed and since Stewart often makes fun of him he blew up about it.
 
[quote name='Clak']Alright this is going a little too far for me, we've gone from Jon Stewart being a bigot to discussing who built the pyramids.[/QUOTE]
That's only because some idiot dropped in to say that he'd rather pick cotton than build a pyramid...lolz.

Just for the record, I'm sure Sanchez has been discriminated against, although at the same time (if we're going to talk about skin color) I doubt many people would know he's latin were it not for his last name. I don't know if Stewart ever has been, hopefully he grew up in a tolerant area. I know plenty of people in this country are still anti-semitic, you just have to go to the right areas. Jews have been dsicriminated against plenty in the U.S. Sure it's gotten better for them, but that doesn't change the past. I hope some day it gets better for latinos too, but I also hope that no one tries to forget their past desrimination either.
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This is all well and good, but Latinos aren't even close to the kind of representation and I'd venture to say that some parts of the US doesn't equal the mean or average experience of a Jewish person. All racism isn't equal. I'm not saying that Jewish people don't experience discrimination at all, but being considered white/normal makes a huge difference.

If Sanchez is upset about being dsicriminated against that's fine, I would be too, but he's taking it out on Stewart when I don't think he deserves it. He just seemed pissed and since Stewart often makes fun of him he blew up about it.
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Sanchez is not really taking it all out on Stewart though. He's using him as an example as someone that's Very visible on the Left. The interviewer makes good points about Stewart and Colbert being entertainers, but Sanchez also states that they have trancended a regular comedy show. I agree with that. That one line about Stewart being a bigot out of 20 minute long clip is the picture child of something being taken out of context.

If there's one thing we learned from this is that you can't say anything that sounds like its bad about Jewish people but you can say whatever the fuck you want about n******, wetb****, and ch**ks.
 
Thanks Clak, I also take umbrage at this whole attitude of "look how successful this handful of Jewish people are, how could they be discriminated against". It's a ridiculous arguement.
 
[quote name='camoor']Thanks Clak, I also take umbrage at this whole attitude of "look how successful this handful of Jewish people are, how could they be discriminated against". It's a ridiculous arguement.[/QUOTE]
Handful? That's fucking bullshit right fucking there. I'm Asian and have been living and learning about racism for decades, I know what tokenism is. We're talking about a demographic that is Very Well represented in instutionally and economically. I'm not talking about that one Jewish dude that acts like a guido on Tool Academy, I'm talking about those four, five, six cast members on that show. I'm talking about Metro Goldwyn Meyer. I'm talking about the ADL. I'm talking about funding to Israel. I'm talking about American Pie, Friends, Seinfeld, King of Queens, or any number of sitcoms. I'm not saying that they never contributed anything to civil rights either, but there just is not a level of persecution like there was in the past. Not even close. I'm talking about in the US.

Even IF Sanchez was full on "put them back in the ovens" anti-semitic and thought that Jews ran the media/world, he was certainly not proven wrong.

edit: And yes I know the history of the establishment of the state of Israel because of the vehement racism, prejudice, and fear against the european Jewish.
 
You've never heard someone make a joke about the Jew chasing a penny down a hill? Or heard someone say someone else is being a Jew because they're cheap?

I mean every race has jokes made about it, it's just the way it is, some of it is even pretty damn funny.

edit- Wait a minute, we're not getting into "those damn Jews run everything" territory are we? Because I'll jump ship right now if we are.
 
[quote name='Clak']You've never heard someone make a joke about the Jew chasing a penny down a hill? Or heard someone say someone else is being a Jew because they're cheap?

I mean every race has jokes made about it, it's just the way it is, some of it is even pretty damn funny.

edit- Wait a minute, we're not getting into "those damn Jews run everything" territory are we? Because I'll jump ship right now if we are.[/QUOTE]
I've heard those Jew jokes. I find them very distasteful and make an effort to point out that is racist. The only racial jokes that I like are the ones that flip conventions on their head.

You're right though, it Is just the way is, but people that it disparages don't have to accept it.

HAHA...you did a ninja edit. :D

disclaimer: No I don't think that Jewish people run all of media or the world. ;)
 
[quote name='dohdough']Handful? That's fucking bullshit right fucking there. I'm Asian and have been living and learning about racism for decades, I know what tokenism is. We're talking about a demographic that is Very Well represented in instutionally and economically. I'm not talking about that one Jewish dude that acts like a guido on Tool Academy, I'm talking about those four, five, six cast members on that show. I'm talking about Metro Goldwyn Meyer. I'm talking about the ADL. I'm talking about funding to Israel. I'm talking about American Pie, Friends, Seinfeld, King of Queens, or any number of sitcoms. I'm not saying that they never contributed anything to civil rights either, but there just is not a level of persecution like there was in the past. Not even close. I'm talking about in the US.

Even IF Sanchez was full on "put them back in the ovens" anti-semitic and thought that Jews ran the media/world, he was certainly not proven wrong.

edit: And yes I know the history of the establishment of the state of Israel because of the vehement racism, prejudice, and fear against the european Jewish.[/QUOTE]

I've heard Michelle Malkin say things that are less ignorant. Now I really am done with you.
 
[quote name='camoor']I've heard Michelle Malkin say things that are less ignorant. Now I really am done with you.[/QUOTE]
Oh really? Cause you haven't proven me wrong. Not only that, but not once did I tokenize anyone. I've given my evidence and all you say is that I'm ignorant and quote a couple snippets taken out of context.

Did you even listen to the semi-complete 20 minute long audio? I can argue the minutae despite you missing the larger issue of white privilege, but don't call me ignorant when I haven't ignored a single point you've made or rebutted with anti-semitism.

PROVE.ME.WRONG.

Don't drop a turd in the pool like that and leave. Give an example.

If you assert that Jewish people as a race aren't white, which seems to be your trend, are they treated like other racial minorities in this country and have the same barriers? And if so, what are the barriers?
 
BTW, CNN just hired a person in Eliot Spitzer who abused his power and took part in a prostitution ring while condeming others that did the same. Granted Spitzer did that pre-CNN employment, but Sanchez's comments were worthy of dismissal while Spitzer gets a show? Something seems wrong with that IMO. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Sanchez fan, but it sure seems like something odd is going on at CNN.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']spitzers show will last two weeks, and then his three viewers will be sad when it gets canned.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It's all about ratings.
 
[quote name='Clak']Apparently this is old news, but it's the first I've seen or heard of it.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/1991-08-07/news/the-forgotten-man/

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/199/323/Rick_Sanchez_-_DWI,_Hit-and-Run_criminal.html

Apparently Sanchez hit someone in his car while drunk and left the scene. This was back in the early 90s, way before CNN. Still, plenty of thing can be said about the character of a man who does something like that.[/QUOTE]
In before Ted Kennedy reference.
 
I agree with most who have posted. Sanchez' main problem was that what he said could have been "rephrased" better. Yes there is racism and unequal treatment in his occupation (there is somewhat in any occupation), but to specifically mention a group (white, black, jewish, etc) was uncalled for. In his line of work, I personally think extremely attractive female news anchors have a hard time (most of their peers see them as a face and nothing else) than any other group.

Mr. Sanchez should have just blown it off and came up with some quip like "I take the insults of a failed stand up comedian, tv and movie star very seriously" or "The next time he picks on me, I'll call his daddy Bill Maher (who did it better) to come to his house and give him a spanking" and all would have been forgotten. But obviously, Mr. Sanchez is not that bright or quick on his feet.

As far as Mr. Stewart being a "bigot", I don't think so. When he's not in interviews or "improvising", he's reading "cards" (I attribute most of his "borderline racial satire" to his writers). I know a woman who worked and hung out with Mr. Stewart during the Bush "Election Episodes" and some of his own personal opinions towards certain things (like his network, people or 9/11) could get him in hot water. But in a public forum, he knows when to speak and when to keep his mouth closed. I can't say the same for Mr. Sanchez.

The lesson learned here: In any line of work, you don't bite the hand that feeds you (even if you're right or wrong) unless you have a backup plan.
 
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