Cop tells unarmed airman to get up, airman gets up, cop shoots him

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CHINO – A deputy appears in a home video to order a man to his feet, then shoot him as he tries to stand. The man, an Air Force security officer just back from Iraq, was hospitalized Tuesday with wounds to his chest, ribs and leg, relatives said.

The FBI was investigating possible civil rights violations in the shooting, said Thom Mrozek, spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Los Angeles. The San Bernardino County district attorney's office also assigned investigators to the case, a Sheriff's Department spokeswoman said.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was a passenger in a Corvette that led a deputy on a short, 100 mph chase, authorities said. Carrion, airlifted to Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, was in good condition, hospital officials said.


Amateur photographer Jose Luis Valdez told The Associated Press that he shot the video after the car crashed into a wall in front of his home Sunday night. KTLA-TV aired the videotape early Tuesday, then distributed it later in the day.

In the 40-second video, Carrion appears to be on the ground telling the deputy he was in the military and was unarmed.

After the shooting, Carrion asks the deputy, “Why did you shoot me if you told me to stand up?” Valdez said in a telephone interview conducted in Spanish. That exchange cannot be heard on the video.

The FBI was asked to do a forensic analysis of the tape, sheriff's department spokeswoman Cindy Beavers said, adding the audio is unclear at times and it's difficult to determine who was speaking.

“I think it's critical this videotape is reviewed closely. ... We want to know the exact dialogue among the parties,” Beavers said. “It would be unfair for us to make any kind of judgment now without knowing the facts.”

Law enforcement agencies generally allow officers to use deadly force when they believe it's necessary to prevent death or serious injury to themselves or others, said Tom Griffith, a professor at the University of Southern California Law School who specializes in criminal law. Actions such as fleeing from police are not by themselves justification for using deadly force, said Griffith, who had not seen the videotape.

“One thing we know for sure: a person's wrongful actions ... normally don't justify the use of deadly force,” he said.

The deputy, whose name has not been released, was placed on paid administrative leave, which is routine procedure after officer-involved shootings.

A woman who answered the telephone at the Carrion family home in Montclair said the airman's parents were headed to the hospital and nobody at the residence wanted to talk. Nobody answered the door later in the day.

The incident began when the deputy saw the Corvette speeding at 100 mph through a residential neighborhood, Beavers said. Following a chase that she said lasted about five minutes, the car skidded and slammed into a block wall in a middle-class neighborhood of large, single-story homes with tile roofs.

The dark and grainy videotape shows Carrion on the ground next to his car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion is supporting himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer's flashlight.

There is some hard-to-hear conversation back and forth, but Carrion appears to be trying to reassure the officer, telling him he is unarmed and in the military. He repeatedly says, “I'm on your side” and adds “we mean you no harm.”

At one point, a voice is heard saying several times, “Get up.”

Carrion says, “I'm gonna get up.” As he rises, the deputy fires at least four shots from close range, and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.

“Shots fired! Shots fired!” someone shouts.

Witness Joanne Scholten said she saw the deputy yelling obscenities at the airman and ordering him to get out of the car. Shots rang out after he told the man to get up, she said.

“It seemed he lost his cool,” Scholten said of the deputy. “We were confused about why (he) did that.”

No charges have been filed against Carrion. Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, identified by authorities as the driver of the Corvette, was arrested for investigation of felony evading and was being held at the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Beavers said.

Carrion's 19-year-old wife, Mariela, told reporters her husband came out of surgery Monday and said: “They shot me for no reason.”

She said Carrion and Escobedo were at a party at the home of Carrion's parents when they left to go to the store. Carrion was supposed to have returned Wednesday to his unit, the 2nd Security Forces Squadron, at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La.
Air Force spokesman Lt. Frank Hartnett said Carrion worked as a security officer at the base. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060131-1742-ca-airmanshooting.html
 
Im sure they had fun speeding and trying to avoid the cops. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
 
[quote name='Danro']Im sure they had fun speeding and trying to avoid the cops. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.[/QUOTE]

Cop: "I thought he was reaching for something!"
Carrion: "I was just trying to get up like you told me to!"
Cop: "I'm sorry, I thought you were reaching for something."
*Police chief slaps cop on the wrist and puts him on ticket patrol*
 
[quote name='Scorch']Cop: "I thought he was reaching for something!"
Carrion: "I was just trying to get up like you told me to!"
Cop: "I'm sorry, I thought you were reaching for something."
*Police chief slaps cop on the wrist and puts him on ticket patrol*[/QUOTE]

Don't forget the million-dollar settlement that taxpayers have to pay out for lousy policing!
 
You run, You get the gun.. No pity for the victim but on the same hand the cop went crazy and started firing off rounds, Its a situation were no one wins when you run from the cops...
 
Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.
 
This airman is from my base and I know about this quite a bit since my office works directly with the local media. He has actually had a real good career in the military and won some awards. People who I know who have worked with him have said he is a reall good guy. Personally this pisses me off and I hope he gets a big paycheck all he was doing was what he was told
 
[quote name='Danro']Did you guys happen to catch the title of the video? "Pig Shoots American hero attempting to comply with orders." So being in the millitary makes you a hero? Lame.[/QUOTE]

Not so much being in the military but the 6 months in Iraq is probably what warranted that.
 
No charges have been filed against Carrion. Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, identified by authorities as the driver of the Corvette, was arrested for investigation of felony evading and was being held at the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Beavers said.


To me, that is the most important part of the story. The guy who got shot wasn't even the driver. If the police department there is as bad as the ones around here, the cop who shot this guy will get a commendation. I also liked the part about the cop being put on "paid administrative leave". That's also known as a vacation.
 
[quote name='battleroyal33']You run, You get the gun.. No pity for the victim but on the same hand the cop went crazy and started firing off rounds, Its a situation were no one wins when you run from the cops...[/QUOTE]
The airman was just a passenger not the driver. The cop was like 10 feet from him and he was unarmed a night stick would have worked just fine
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.[/QUOTE]
I understand that was shitty, but shooting someone after telling them to get up is uncalled for, even if he was running.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.[/QUOTE]

I want to respond to this with great vitriol, but I noticed that you just signed up under my PS3 pyramid scheme. :lol:
 
Has anyone read Blink?

It's a fantastic, quick read. One of the chapters is on just this. To briefly explain, many counties have outlawed high speed chases. For one, a very large percent of them result in bystanders getting injured, but also, what happens is the police officer in the chase gets hit with a tremendous load of adrenaline during the pursuit. By the time the chase ends, the officer(s) is usually extremely worked up, often without even realizing the effect. The human body does very poorly handling the decision-making process at this point almost shutting down and acting without reason. Of the major riots in the las 20 years instigated by police brutality (such as Rodney King), they all began at the end of a high speed chase.
 
Some pigs out here in chino are stupid, i've been lucky to get one of the few that are cool plus the guy getting shot was the passenger not the driver. I work about 4 minutes away from where it happened.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Any airman lying on the ground deserves to get shot. In the balls.[/QUOTE]
Thats a vacation in comparison to what I think should happen to all lawyers :lol:
 
Man, this is complete bullshit. I hope that cop gets some serious time for what he did. And I hope the Airman makes a full recovery and gets as much compensation as is possible.

That cop deserves to get his dick cut off.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Man, this is complete bullshit. I hope that cop gets some serious time for what he did. And I hope the Airman makes a full recovery and gets as much compensation as is possible.

That cop deserves to get his dick cut off.[/QUOTE]

And we should all speed 100mph just because. It doesnt put anyone in danger.

I'm sure that if the driver hit a couple children, people would be praising the cop.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']And we should all speed 100mph just because. It doesnt put anyone in danger.

I'm sure that if the driver hit a couple children, people would be praising the cop.[/QUOTE]
ok since you seem to be slow today the guy who was shot was not fucking driving. I have had friends who were crazy drivers and your control as a passenge ris very limited
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']And we should all speed 100mph just because. It doesnt put anyone in danger.

I'm sure that if the driver hit a couple children, people would be praising the cop.[/QUOTE]

First of all, the Airman wasn't the driver. You have no idea if he was trying to get his friend to stop or not. He could have been completely innocent.

If the driver hit and killed a child, then the cop shot the passenger for no reason, I'd still be pissed.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']ok since you seem to be slow today the guy who was shot was not fucking driving. I have had friends who were crazy drivers and your control as a passenge ris very limited[/QUOTE]

Um, you're retarded. I've had people jack my car in Miami, and I was able to stop them. Thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So if I was hanging out with you, and I pulled out a knife and I was gonna stab and rape your wife, you'd be powerless to stop me? Because I think it would be alot harder to stop me from raping your wife than it would be just to reach over grab the wheel and stomp your foot on the break.

Dont be such a coward.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']If the driver hit and killed a child, then the cop shot the passenger for no reason, I'd still be pissed.[/QUOTE]

That makes about as much sence as knowing a car was coming at high speed, and you could see it was going to hit kids and you just stood on the side of the road and watched it. Then stood around, shrugged your shoulders and was like "What?"

Im sorry, but I'd probably beat your dumb ass for that.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Um, you're retarded. I've had people jack my car in Miami, and I was able to stop them. Thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So if I was hanging out with you, and I pulled out a knife and I was gonna stab and rape your wife, you'd be powerless to stop me? Because I think it would be alot harder to stop me from raping your wife than it would be just to reach over grab the wheel and stomp your foot on the break.

Dont be such a coward.[/QUOTE]

If someone jacked your car you'd be cowering in the corner of your dash I call BS on that one. WTH are you going to do as a passenger if the car is going 100 mph. If you try to overpower the driver you are going to cause a crash. Now your second scenairo which has absolutely nothing to do with being in a speeding car is different. I would try to overpower the guy since me fighting with him won't inadvertantly cause our vehicle to crash into a barricade. Add to all of this that the airman was drunk I don't know about you but being drunk kills my common sense and ability to make quick correct decisions
 
[quote name='jlarlee']Thats a vacation in comparison to what I think should happen to all lawyers :lol:[/QUOTE]

I agree! Lawyers suck.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Um, you're retarded. I've had people jack my car in Miami, and I was able to stop them. Thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

So if I was hanging out with you, and I pulled out a knife and I was gonna stab and rape your wife, you'd be powerless to stop me? Because I think it would be alot harder to stop me from raping your wife than it would be just to reach over grab the wheel and stomp your foot on the break.

Dont be such a coward.[/QUOTE]

Damn man, you're really being a dumbshit today, aren't you?

First of all, how the hell do you, as a passenger, plan to stop you're friend driving a car in excess of 100 mph? Especially since it's a Corvette. Try sitting in the passenger seat any sports car and try to reach your foot to the brake. I guarantee you can't do it.

[quote name='Mookyjooky']That makes about as much sence as knowing a car was coming at high speed, and you could see it was going to hit kids and you just stood on the side of the road and watched it. Then stood around, shrugged your shoulders and was like "What?"

Im sorry, but I'd probably beat your dumb ass for that.[/QUOTE]

Dude, I have no idea what you're trying to get at with that shit. All I'm saying is that the Airman very easily can be completely innocent. If the driver of the vehicle had hit and killed someone and the cop shot the passenger, it would still be just as wrong as shooting him without them hitting anyone.

No matter how you slice it, the cop is very wrong for what he did, and I hope he gets the shit kicked out of him.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Damn man, you're really being a dumbshit today, aren't you?

First of all, how the hell do you, as a passenger, plan to stop you're friend driving a car in excess of 100 mph? Especially since it's a Corvette. Try sitting in the passenger seat any sports car and try to reach your foot to the brake. I guarantee you can't do it.



[/QUOTE]

Excuse mooky the only g-ride he has been in is his pimping Geo Metro with 9" rims
 
[quote name='jlarlee']Personally this pisses me off and I hope he gets a big paycheck all he was doing was what he was told[/QUOTE]so someone told him to run from the cops in a vette doing 100 mph. don't act like he didn't do anything. on the otherhand, he sure as hell didn't deserve 4 shots at close range. im suprised he's still alive.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Guess whos gonna pay for this fiasco? US! YAY!

Like the Rodney King Bullshit, that motherfucker led cops on chase while hopped up on PCP. He put so many lives at risk that night, but when he decided to get out the truck and talk shit... the cops beat his ass.

Then everyone talks about Racism, while one of the cops was hispanic.

So Rodney wins 3.8 Million dollars and of course thats taxpayer money, and gets arrested for multiple drug infractions, spouse abuse, dickin hookers and other driving bullshit... and of course cops dont do shit cause they dont want to go to jail.

So what happened to King? He's in a fucking drug rehab center, bankrupt.

Thank you, America.[/QUOTE]

Ok, here's the problem with your argument. All the cops knew about Rodney King at the time was that he was speeding and leading them on a high speed chase. They didn't know he was high on PCP and/or drunk, and they didn't magically know that he was going to commit future crimes.

All they knew was that he was breaking the law by speeding and evading the police. Apparently you see things differently, but I don't think that just because he tried to outrun the cops and got caught, that suddenly the cops had carte blanc to go medieval on his ass. The problems that he has had since the incident don't justify the beating he received years ago.

I'm not saying it was racist. As another poster noted, I think it is more of an adrenaline thing than anything else. But regardless of how much of a assbag King might be, he didn't deserve to get treated like that.

This incident in Chino is far worse as the cops shot the guy 3 times! You can see that he isn't resisting at all and he sure as hell didn't reach for anything.
 
[quote name='thagoat']so someone told him to run from the cops in a vette doing 100 mph. don't act like he didn't do anything. on the otherhand, he sure as hell didn't deserve 4 shots at close range. im suprised he's still alive.[/QUOTE]
OMG he was not driving how many times need that be posted in this thread?
 
Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.


Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.


Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.


God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.



fuck you guys!


EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.
 
Now, how many of you people have seen the actual video?

I saw it this morning on MSNBC and its not quite a clear cut as what it seems. First off, its difficult to tell WHO says get up. If it wasn't the officer that fired the shots then it changes the situation quite a bit. There were two people in the car, and despite only 1 cop being on tape, there had to be many more officer. Now, what if another officer was ordering the other suspect to his feet and the one who was shot stood up think he was being told to stand up? The officer who had him at gunpoint may have thought he was lunging for the gun, everyone is different when drunk and its not like this officer would know how this guy is when drunk. Also, unlike what someone said, the officer was only about 1-2 ft away from the suspect, not 10. There's isn't much time to react when someone's only 1-2 ft away.

I don't know about the situation but what I do know is that its kind of sad how quick people are to judge the police. All anyone ever does is sit around and complain about police, calling them pigs, etc. but when you have trouble, what's the first thing you think of? Calling the cops. Then, if they don't get there soon enough, people bitch about that. Its a thankless job that all people ever do about is complain.

I could get into why lawyers are in a similar situation but that's a discussion for another day.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.

Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.

Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.

God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.

fuck you guys!

EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.[/QUOTE]

Amen. After being in a 100mph high speed chase everyone is ready to lynch the guy. I dont think he should walk away scott free, or not get sued by the victims family personally. I just dont think this cop should be ass-raped in jail by cons he may or may-not of put away because of one mistake.

Every is calling for blood, but the cop was oviously scared and running on pure adrenaline. And this has already turned into an issue cause every news channel is saying in bold letters "COP GUNS DOWN UNARMED IRAQ VET!"

The cop made a mistake, but all the times he's protected the citizens of his community... that doesnt count for anything now that he's shot some drunk, soldier coming out of a car that was in a 100mph chase? Lucky that vet was army-built... cause a skinny dude probably would of died right there... and if he wasnt an UNARMED MILITARY IRAQ VET, no one would of gave a shit.
 
[quote name='Msut77']That Cop should go to jail.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and this post should go to the controversy forum.
 
This is one of the many reason why americans are stupid as hell.

How many of you everysingle day read or see about..."This cop got shot today....this fireman got killed to day" and what do you do? You go meh...that sucks. But as soon as you even catch a sniff of a cop shoots this....all of you want him and his family to die on the spot and go to hell. I hope that cops burns forever with pitchforks up his ass......how dare he shoot someone that was driving fleeing 100mph drunk.


You people are fucking stupid...and the reason why america sucks so much balls.

bottom line...if a cop gets killed...meh oh well part of the job..but the second they do anything to protect themselves thats not a all out shoot-out in front of a bank everyone calls for their head on a platter.
fucking americans.......i see why the entire world hates us.

You guys dont know shit.....
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']bottom line...if a cop gets killed...meh oh well part of the job..but the second they do anything to protect themselves thats not a all out shoot-out in front of a bank everyone calls for their head on a platter.
fucking americans.......i see why the entire world hates us.

You guys dont know shit.....[/QUOTE]
First of all, it's not just America, so I don't know why you keep insulting every American posting in this thread (you apparently haven't seen the news whenever a soldier of any nationality in Iraq kills a civilian). And it's not a question of "knowing" anything. You don't know what the cop was thinking at the time either.

The reason people get worked up about cops shooting people is because cops are supposed to be the protectors of the peace. Which does not include shooting unarmed citizens. That's what criminals do. If a police officer is too worked up after a 100mph pursuit, they should remove themselves from the situation (or at least not stand two feet from the subject) if their presence is not required (i.e. because there were other officers there). Judgement is clouded by adrenaline, and that's not good for anyone. And they aren't above the law because of their job as much as I respect it.

And the world hates us because of our foreign policy over the last couple decades, as far as I know ;) Move to Controversy forum thirded.
 
I was really hoping it wouldnt come down to Millitary > Police, but I see a lot of that in this thread, I totally disagree with it....

Yeah, this should be moved to Controversy section.
 
[quote name='botticus']First of all, it's not just America, so I don't know why you keep insulting every American posting in this thread (you apparently haven't seen the news whenever a soldier of any nationality in Iraq kills a civilian). And it's not a question of "knowing" anything. You don't know what the cop was thinking at the time either.

The reason people get worked up about cops shooting people is because cops are supposed to be the protectors of the peace. Which does not include shooting unarmed citizens. That's what criminals do. If a police officer is too worked up after a 100mph pursuit, they should remove themselves from the situation (or at least not stand two feet from the subject) if their presence is not required (i.e. because there were other officers there). Judgement is clouded by adrenaline, and that's not good for anyone. And they aren't above the law because of their job as much as I respect it.

And the world hates us because of our foreign policy over the last couple decades, as far as I know ;) Move to Controversy forum thirded.[/QUOTE]


I keep saying america in the fact that...america is set up so that you are judge by your mistakes only. No one cares if you served 15 years on the forces or saved 100 people lives....all they care about is if you screw up. Also americans think they know every god damn thing on the planet. Like you know exactly whats going on in everyone else's mind at all times.

Cops are suppose to protect people? The first law to being a cop is to protect YOURSELF first then everyone else.

But you wouldnt know anything about risking your live everyday would you? Do any of you know? Thats fucking right....like i said before...YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. What would you have done? "Oh man i would have kung-fu kicked him in the mouth like i seen in the movies man."

None of you have been in a LIFE or DEATH situation before...so judgeing this cop is fucking pointless by you people but go one thinking you know everything...god damn people you werent even there...your READING about. fucking christ man.
 
Try this on for size...being a cop is like fighting your younger brother...or better yet your sister. You want to fight them but you know that your parent will kick your ass if you actully hurt them.

Now times that by 1 billion. As a cop...you are trying to take down someone who is fighting you with all their might...and even might go so far as you take your life to get away...(sister) yet as a cop you can only use a certain amout of force...or your parents (dumb fucking media...idiots who think they know everything...family members) will get all pissy at you.


Think how hard it was not to just punch your sister in the face.........but its not your sister its a guy trying to stab you with a pencil. (Seriouly my dad was on trial for this)....no from an idiots point of view you would just say.....he only had a pencil. You would be one of the many dumbasses that said my pops use to much force. My dad hit the guy in the face with the butt of his 9mm...thus breaking his nose and giving the guy two black eyes. Luckly we had more non-dumbass and was not guitly even after serving in the city for 16 years earning a number of awards people still ask me about that god damn case.

I dont know you people seem to think that cops are ninja's or something. Like that can disarm anyone at anytime with their magical cop skills. Or that can magical can not get hit by bullets.

You guys have to remember this isnt a movie man....if you think someone is dangerous then you must assume that he has a tank in his pocket...because if you dont and he has one...your dead..and their is no rewind.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I keep saying america in the fact that...america is set up so that you are judge by your mistakes only. No one cares if you served 15 years on the forces or saved 100 people lives....all they care about is if you screw up. Also americans think they know every god damn thing on the planet. Like you know exactly whats going on in everyone else's mind at all times.

Cops are suppose to protect people? The first law to being a cop is to protect YOURSELF first then everyone else.

But you wouldnt know anything about risking your live everyday would you? Do any of you know? Thats fucking right....like i said before...YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. What would you have done? "Oh man i would have kung-fu kicked him in the mouth like i seen in the movies man."

None of you have been in a LIFE or DEATH situation before...so judgeing this cop is fucking pointless by you people but go one thinking you know everything...god damn people you werent even there...your READING about. fucking christ man.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I was agreeing with you until you started sounding like you were twelve. So we dont know what's going on in a cops head? Agreed... but dont sit here and act like you know us personally. Some of us may be cops, some not. But cool down, cause you're making our side of the arguement look immature. Oh and the americans only thing, have you ever been to other contries? Same shit, no matter where you go.
 
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