Cop tells unarmed airman to get up, airman gets up, cop shoots him

[quote name='Mookyjooky']Ok, I was agreeing with you until you started sounding like you were twelve. So we dont know what's going on in a cops head? Agreed... but dont sit here and act like you know us personally. Some of us may be cops, some not. But cool down, cause you're making our side of the arguement look immature. Oh and the americans only thing, have you ever been to other contries? Same shit, no matter where you go.[/QUOTE]


Dude fuck you man. I dont know you personally but i can assume that none of you know what the hell you are talking about because if you did...you wouldnt say the stupid shit you are saying.

Conversation over.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I keep saying america in the fact that...america is set up so that you are judge by your mistakes only. No one cares if you served 15 years on the forces or saved 100 people lives....all they care about is if you screw up. Also americans think they know every god damn thing on the planet. Like you know exactly whats going on in everyone else's mind at all times.

Cops are suppose to protect people? The first law to being a cop is to protect YOURSELF first then everyone else.

But you wouldnt know anything about risking your live everyday would you? Do any of you know? Thats fucking right....like i said before...YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. What would you have done? "Oh man i would have kung-fu kicked him in the mouth like i seen in the movies man."

None of you have been in a LIFE or DEATH situation before...so judgeing this cop is fucking pointless by you people but go one thinking you know everything...god damn people you werent even there...your READING about. fucking christ man.[/QUOTE]

Americans do know everything. It's what makes us American.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Dude fuck you man. I dont know you personally but i can assume that none of you know what the hell you are talking about because if you did...you wouldnt say the stupid shit you are saying.

Conversation over.[/QUOTE]

Obviously you're not reading the thread where I get slammed for taking the cops side. Until you showed up, I was probably the only one. Your complete ignorance is the only thing making me wonder if I really dont know what I'm talking about.

Its hard to get a point across when your posts look like -


"fuckfuckoijlihiufucklihoifuckfucklbhbliblibliblifuckliblibufuckfuckfuckliblijblibfuckfucklibliblijblibfuck!!!!

Americans are stupid!"
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Dude fuck you man. I dont know you personally but i can assume that none of you know what the hell you are talking about because if you did...you wouldnt say the stupid shit you are saying.

Conversation over.[/QUOTE]

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... settle down beavis. :lol:
 
I'd just like to add this to the thread........

fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, your cool, fuck you, fuck you

But seriously, lets let the story play out and see how it goes.

One thing is for sure, soodmeg got his Wheaties pissed in this morning. I don't see where anyone bashed police officers in general, but just this one. If I am not mistaken, don't they (PO) consider cop a deragitory (sp, spelling is shitty today) term? Thats what I was told be a detective I used to work with at a local pizza joint (owner), he had to make his money some how.

But on to your generalization of people posting in this thread, its terrible. I'm sure some of these people have been in life and death situations, as atleast 2 of them were/are in the military. I have the utmost respect for the people defending our country, whether it be abroad or local, it doesn't matter. These people are doing what the want for the country they love, and for that we all should be proud.
 
wow, that is some serious crazy shit. the guy wasnt even driving! the cop should obviously be fired and definitely have some sort of charges pressed against him. its not like the guy was fleeing, its not like he had a weapon, its not like he was even causing a problem.
 
[quote name='botticus']First of all, it's not just America, so I don't know why you keep insulting every American posting in this thread (you apparently haven't seen the news whenever a soldier of any nationality in Iraq kills a civilian). And it's not a question of "knowing" anything. You don't know what the cop was thinking at the time either.

The reason people get worked up about cops shooting people is because cops are supposed to be the protectors of the peace. Which does not include shooting unarmed citizens. That's what criminals do. If a police officer is too worked up after a 100mph pursuit, they should remove themselves from the situation (or at least not stand two feet from the subject) if their presence is not required (i.e. because there were other officers there). Judgement is clouded by adrenaline, and that's not good for anyone. And they aren't above the law because of their job as much as I respect it.

And the world hates us because of our foreign policy over the last couple decades, as far as I know ;) Move to Controversy forum thirded.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right. We'll have officer's just opt out when they feel their adrenaline get too high. If that means no one's left to arrest a suspect then guess he gets a freebie. Then, for the officer's that do make it through a situation without raising their adrenaline, they will have to arrest a suspect at a minimum of 10ft. They'll toss the cuffs to the suspect and they will cuff themselves and everything will just be hunkydory. :roll: What world are you living in?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You're absolutely right. We'll have officer's just opt out when they feel their adrenaline get too high. If that means no one's left to arrest a suspect then guess he gets a freebie. Then, for the officer's that do make it through a situation without raising their adrenaline, they will have to arrest a suspect at a minimum of 10ft. They'll toss the cuffs to the suspect and they will cuff themselves and everything will just be hunkydory. :roll: What world are you living in?[/QUOTE]

I think the key to what he was saying is in regards to if their presence is not required.

Hell in the pissant town I live in, if you get pulled over for a minor, failure to signal...etc, violation you have atleast 2 cars at the scene. With another 2 or 3 that drive by. So at that point, someone has got to have a better picture of the scene or atleast be able to compare the versions of what happened.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? [/QUOTE]

By unarmed guys on the ground? Im going to guess Zero.

fuck off and Die.
 
[quote name='Msut77']By unarmed guys on the ground? Im going to guess Zero.

fuck off and Die.[/QUOTE]

1 in 8 officers that are involved in a shooting incident are shot with their own gun.
 
[quote name='Msut77']And?

Is that the new argument, the cop thought he was going for his gun at like .5mph?[/QUOTE]

Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.[/QUOTE]

Now you are just being silly. He did say he was going to get up.
 
The cop should be treated the same as anyone else and get around 10 years in prison.

What kind of coward shoots an unarmed person especialy after following orders its like saying bow to me and now I shoot you cause u made me chase u.

Nice police training .
 
the thing is after a high speed chase, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally. The body kicks into a base state of mind, its just how humans are wired to function.
Similarly, there are far less complaints filed against single-officer cars. People may want a partner, but when you are by yourself, you take more time, you don't go rushing in, you are more cautious and likely to wait for back-up.

A few years ago there was an assassination attempt on the president of south korea. The person approaches the president, accidentally shoots himself in the leg, raises his gun, shoots, missing and killing the president's wife. the bodyguard draws his weapon fires, missing the gunmen and killing an innocent boy standing nearby.
How long did this all take, 20 seconds? 30 seconds?

It took 3.5 seconds. Movies and television have warped our perspective of how quickly we react, how our bodies instinctively take over, acting in manners there is no previous experience or precendence on which to draw from. The far majority of police officers will never fire a gun in the line of duty. It's not a videogame, you are not detached in the moment andd often not even acting cleary and rationally. That hardwired part of our being that thinks about nothing but survival and self-preservation begins to take over.
 
Some experts said the shooting could have been avoided had the deputy used better tactics. Specifically, they said, the deputy should never have placed himself so close to suspects. Instead, he should have used his own vehicle as cover, called for backup and issued commands from a safe distance.

Ideally, they said, a suspect should be lying prone on the ground and handcuffed before he is asked to stand up.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Now you are just being silly. He did say he was going to get up.[/QUOTE]

You tell someone to fuck off and that someone moves at .5 mph, yet I'm being silly?!?
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.


Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.


Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.


God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.



fuck you guys!


EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.[/QUOTE]

You're officially the CAG Dumbass of the Month.

Congratulations.

Mooky, I'll give you a belated CAG Dumbass of the Month for January.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe the cop shouldn't have been so close.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You tell someone to fuck off and that someone moves at .5 mph, yet I'm being silly?!?[/QUOTE]

Inane, stupid, a dumbass.

Whatever you think fits better.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Inane, stupid, a dumbass.

Whatever you think fits better.[/QUOTE]


Wow, your debating skills are second to none!
 
Yeah I saw this a couple, maybe three days ago. Real messed up. Shooting him was bad enough, but multiple times in the chest. What the fuck.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Then maybe the cop shouldn't have been so close.[/QUOTE]


Perhaps, but none of us know what events lead up to the shooting. Aside from the 3-4 seconds before the shooting that are taped.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Then maybe the cop shouldn't have been so close.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there was almost certainly a breakdown in procedure if the cop felt his life was in danger.
 
[quote name='vherub']the thing is after a high speed chase, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally. The body kicks into a base state of mind, its just how humans are wired to function.[/QUOTE]

How about a guy who comes home to see his wife cheating on him. He's emotionally crushed in .5 seconds flat, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

How about a guy whose daughter is hit by a wrecklessly driven car right in front of him - it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

I could go on, but you get my point - this is a defense lawyer arguement.

Wearing a uniform does not give you the right to shoot an unarmed man lying on the ground.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']You're officially the CAG Dumbass of the Month.

Congratulations.

Mooky, I'll give you a belated CAG Dumbass of the Month for January.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some fag who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.
 
[quote name='camoor']How about a guy who comes home to see his wife cheating on him. He's emotionally crushed in .5 seconds flat, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

How about a guy whose daughter is hit by a wrecklessly driven car right in front of him - it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

I could go on, but you get my point - this is a defense lawyer arguement.

Wearing a uniform does not give you the right to shoot an unarmed man lying on the ground.[/QUOTE]


They don't get carte blanche but they do get a little bit of a break. It varies in many jurisdictions between either 3rd degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. Either way the relevant legal phrase is "heat of passion under sudden provocation" or, as its more commonly known, heat of passion. You don't get nearly as severe of a sentence as 2nd degree murder.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some fag who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.[/QUOTE]
wow he is a fag for liking wrestling(which a shit load of people on here like) and having a varied trade lsit with a lot of systems. fuck dumbass of the month you are going straight for dumbass of the decade
 
Now, how many of you people have seen the actual video?
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I saw the video first and then went looking for the article.

[quote name='Soodmeg']Dude honestly...you guy fucking forget what its really like to be a police officer. My dad is a cop and i trained to be one before i realized that really didnt want to do it.


Do you know how many cops get shot on traffic stops? And of those do you know how many of them get shoot because they trusted the person they were stopping even for a second?

Let me tell you fuck tards a little story. My dad and is partner were on a routine traffic stop....the person they stopped was a 62 old lady whos name i am not going to mention......figuring...its just an old lady neither my dad or his partner were not on guard for anything...my dads partner strolled over to the drives side and ask the lady for her license and reg.....at this is the time my dad looked down and started filling out a traffic report something your suppose to do after the encouter...but figuring its an old lady what the hell.


Then......BOOM. Dad looks up sees his partner lying on the god damn ground with his stomach splattered all over the grass. That old lady... shot him with a god damn magnum...killing him almost instantly.

So fuck you guys...you guys dont know what the fuck police officers have to go through everyday. Every second that they work some nut job could pull out a gun and start blasting away...you never know who the hell is crazy. So give him a break...if he thought he was reaching for something....then he had all the right in the world to fucking shoot.


God damn it...i am so sick of people who work the hardest fucking jobs getting no respect at all. Fireman...Police Officers...Army Medics. Those people risk their god damn lives everyday for absolute shit pay so that you can feel a little bit safer at night.



fuck you guys!


EDIT: I am not saying that some cops abuse their power....but all people do is focus on the worst of the worst and forget that there are a million other good cops that lose their lives every year thanks to some crazy wacko. Just remember that guys life is on the line......and if its going to be me or you...god damn rights i am shooting first.[/QUOTE]

Umm..... so you think a cop should be able to shoot someone who isn't a threat and get away with a slap on the wrist or something? Damn, no wonder people are so scared of cops. Cops need to be held responsible for crossing the line just like everyone else, when they aren't you get widespread corruption like you have in places like new orleans. Hell, if I came home and saw my wife in bed with someone else and started shooting no one is going to come rushing to my defense in the way that you are defending the cop.

Does the speed really matter when its about a foot away? You don't have much time to react.
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I did read another article were a police officer was interviewed and he said he shouldn't have been that close to the suspect. The guy wasn't there or anything, but neither were we, so I just figured I'd mention that guys opinion.
 
Man, whats the big deal? Fiddy got shot, what 8 times and now he has his own video game. This shit works out. At least thats what VGM would say if he were here.

Seriously though - at most I'd say the officer should have fired a disabling shot to the leg - not 3-4 rounds to the torso. I've never been shot but I'm thinking one bullet would be enough to get my attention. Althought I'm still not even sure this warranted a firearm altercation - two raps with a night stick and this wouldn't have even made the papers and the airman would be back home right now.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some fag who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.[/QUOTE]

Hah hah, dude, you're such a dumbass.

It's funny that you have to go through my tradelist just to find shit to come back with.

Dude, you're such a fuckin' dumbshit it's not even funny.
 
[quote name='joevan']Man, whats the big deal? Fiddy got shot, what 8 times and now he has his own video game. This shit works out. At least thats what VGM would say if he were here.

Seriously though - at most I'd say the officer should have fired a disabling shot to the leg - not 3-4 rounds to the torso. I've never been shot but I'm thinking one bullet would be enough to get my attention. Althought I'm still not even sure this warranted a firearm altercation - two raps with a night stick and this wouldn't have even made the papers and the airman would be back home right now.[/QUOTE]


Once again, watch the video before you say "why didn't he use the nightstick". His gun was already drawn, he was too close (I think that's easily the least debatable point of the article), and he probably believed the suspect was reaching for his gun. It would have taken way too much time to put the gun back in the holster and get out the nightstick. It was a split-second situation.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']Oh yeah, that kills me...

I'm so worried of some fag who stocks his tradelist with every damn system under the sun and a massive collection of homo-erotic wrestling tapes.

With the life you seem to be livin, you got a long way to catch up.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, would you just get out of the way so those of us with valid points can actually have a discussion.

In other words, let the adults talk.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Once again, watch the video before you say "why didn't he use the nightstick". His gun was already drawn, he was too close (I think that's easily the least debatable point of the article), and he probably believed the suspect was reaching for his gun. It would have taken way too much time to put the gun back in the holster and get out the nightstick. It was a split-second situation.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, man. The kid seemed to really show that he didn't mean any harm to the police officer, and he was following the directions of the cop. I just don't see any reason why shots should have been fired.

This is just a shame that this happened. I really hope the Airman makes a speedy recovery and the cop gets his just due.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I dunno, man. The kid seemed to really show that he didn't mean any harm to the police officer, and he was following the directions of the cop. I just don't see any reason why shots should have been fired.

This is just a shame that this happened. I really hope the Airman makes a speedy recovery and the cop gets his just due.[/QUOTE]

You're right, it seems, to us, that the kid didn't mean any harm but the situation looks a lot different sitting on our couches at home watching a green tinted, nightvision video. The nightvision part is crucial, there was obviously not much light in the situation so it looks a lot different with nightvision than it will in the actual situation.

Personally, I'm waiting for the FBI experts to examine the video to determine who said what and when they said it before I start making any assumptions about the cop burning in hell (as some of the people have wished upon in this thread).
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You're right, it seems, to us, that the kid didn't mean any harm but the situation looks a lot different sitting on our couches at home watching a green tinted, nightvision video. The nightvision part is crucial, there was obviously not much light in the situation so it looks a lot different with nightvision than it will in the actual situation.

Personally, I'm waiting for the FBI experts to examine the video to determine who said what and when they said it before I start making any assumptions about the cop burning in hell (as some of the people have wished upon in this thread).[/QUOTE]
I'm willing to make assumptions right now. If you make mistakes in the course of your job that end up with an innocent party getting shot in the chest 3 times, you deserve some repercussions. At least job loss.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']The airman was just a passenger not the driver. The cop was like 10 feet from him and he was unarmed a night stick would have worked just fine[/QUOTE]

exactly or pepper spray. He did say fuck you to the cops though that does not warrent 4 bullets in your body though. It sounded like the cop kept telling him shut the fuck up after he shot him. I think the airman was a little drunk or high, by the way he sounded.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']They don't get carte blanche but they do get a little bit of a break. It varies in many jurisdictions between either 3rd degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. Either way the relevant legal phrase is "heat of passion under sudden provocation" or, as its more commonly known, heat of passion. You don't get nearly as severe of a sentence as 2nd degree murder.[/QUOTE]

That's true
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Hah hah, dude, you're such a dumbass.

It's funny that you have to go through my tradelist just to find shit to come back with.[/QUOTE]

Um, no... I was doing alot of trading last week. You dont see what other tradelist have when you make a list?

Also, you're just repeating yourself, yes.. yes... I know, *snore*... I'm a dumbass. Boo Hoo. (80's High Five for you!)
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Hah hah, dude, you're such a dumbass.

It's funny that you have to go through my tradelist just to find shit to come back with.[/QUOTE]

Um, no... I was doing alot of trading last week. You dont see what other tradelist have when you make a list?

Also, you're just repeating yourself, yes.. yes... I know, *snore*... I'm a dumbass. Boo Hoo.
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Seriously, would you just get out of the way so those of us with valid points can actually have a discussion.

In other words, let the adults talk.[/QUOTE]

If you actually read ther thread, you'll notice that Jlarlee and Grave personally verbally attacked me first. I was just making my side of the arguement, which was that:

A: The passenger wasn't completely helpless in the 100mph chase.
 B: That this probably wouldnt of hit the news if he wasnt a Iraq Vet., or he was anglo saxon.
C: That the passenger was no more an american hero than the cop before this incident.
D: That the cop (Though he wasnt in the right) was panicking after being in a 100mph chase and should be accounted for.
E: That we should take into consideration that the cop puts his life on the line every single day.
F: That only moments were taped.

Graves first debate was that the "Cop should get his dick cut off"

And then later he was calling me a "dumbshit" personally... Yet I only decide to make a personal comment when he calls me dumbass of the month.

Are you actually reading this thread?
 
[quote name='camoor']How about a guy who comes home to see his wife cheating on him. He's emotionally crushed in .5 seconds flat, it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

How about a guy whose daughter is hit by a wrecklessly driven car right in front of him - it is next to impossible to disengage, to calm down and act rationally - does he get carte blanche?

I could go on, but you get my point - this is a defense lawyer arguement.

Wearing a uniform does not give you the right to shoot an unarmed man lying on the ground.[/QUOTE]

My point isn't to be taken as a defense for killing someone. He still did that, he still lives with that the rest of his life. I was more answering the question of how this could happen, and how any one of us, in a similar situation it also might happen to. The reaction of posters that this cop is some monster may be accurate, but it also strongly points to human instinct. None of us have enough information right now to condemn him or give him a free pass. But I think it is rather silly to outright call for immediate and swift retribution for outrageous acts of violence against an unarmed passenger. At the very least, the process and procedure broke down and needs to be revised to prevent this from happening and less so remove this one cop from duty.
 
[quote name='vherub']At the very least, the process and procedure broke down and needs to be revised to prevent this from happening and less so remove this one cop from duty.[/QUOTE]
Revised? Why? It seems to work when it's followed. Unless a significant number of high speed traffic stops end in unarmed passengers getting shot this is strictly this cop's fault. If he's incapable of keeping his head in a tense situation, what the hell is he doing in a uniform?
 
I read in the LA times that the guy who filmed the shooting was arrested by the Pomona Police after trying to renew his greencard. No other details provided.
 
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