Core Cancelled, Premium $300 and Black HDMI 360 w/120g HDD in May!??!!?!

[quote name='thrustbucket']
In many ways, buying HDMI devices can be risky because there are so many versions out there, and your tv only supports one.[/QUOTE]

Negative. HDMI versions are backwards compatible. Example - if your TV is 1.2 and the 360 is released with a 1.3a spec, it will be fine. You won't be able to take advantage of the newer features (deep color, lip sync, TrueHD & DTS-HD audio*), but it will work fine.




*I believe if the player decodes them, then you don't have to have HDMI 1.3 or above to get TrueHD or DTS-HD. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Yea, but when most people buy a home console, we don't really expect another of the SAME console with upgraded parts. It's just like televisions... did Mitsubishi upgrade your exact same model with better parts? No, it's a different model, similar to how Xbox ---> Xbox 360.

Most console "re-releases" were usually the same thing but just smaller, or a different color, or if they did add a new feature it was something you could also buy seperately (think the Saturn / N64 ram packs).
[/QUOTE]

Game Boy Color
Game Boy Pocket
GBA SP
Backlit GBA SP
Game Boy Micro
DS Lite

Still waiting on those refunds.
 
[quote name='mforge']Game Boy Color
Game Boy Pocket
GBA SP
Game Boy Micro
DS Lite

Still waiting on those refunds.[/QUOTE]

Consoles aren't handhelds... Nintendo can get away with it because most handhelds are $100 - $130.

Hell, if Microsoft told me I could upgrade for $100 to a new 360 with HDMI I'd jump on that too... $100 is a cheap upgrade price.

Actually, that would be kind of nice if that were to happen, send in your old 360 and $100 and get a shiny new one with HDMI and a bigger hard drive, but that would never ever happen.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Negative. HDMI versions are backwards compatible. Example - if your TV is 1.2 and the 360 is released with a 1.3a spec, it will be fine. You won't be able to take advantage of the newer features (deep color, lip sync, TrueHD & DTS-HD audio*), but it will work fine.




*I believe if the player decodes them, then you don't have to have HDMI 1.3 or above to get TrueHD or DTS-HD. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]


I know HDMI is backward compatible. My point is, the average consumer doesn't know what version of HDMI their tv is. So you see reports running rampant that people buy devices that sometimes don't work with certain TV's. (happened a lot with the PS3 even)

I believe those other audio formats you mention are also supported through the 5 analog outs, unfortunately that doesn't exist on the 360 HD DVD player (yet).
 
The idea of a quieter 360 is nice to here, but it isn't really that big of a deal for me. since I have gotten used to the noise in the few weeks I have owned my 360. As for the other stuff, it really doesn't concern me that much since I doubt I will fill up the 20 gig HD anyime soon and since I own an older TV I really don't need to worry about HDMI.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Other than the ability to upscale SD DVDs and carrying the audio & video signal though one cable, are there any other reasons to go for an HDMI connection over Component? Is there any noticible improvement in video quality?

I know that some HD-DVD/Bluray discs can carry an advanced audio signal through HDMI, but if you don't have a receiver that supports it, I guess it doesn't really matter.[/quote]


You sort of answered your own question there. Basically, the answer is: "it depends on your equipment".

Analog component is more robust signal-wise than HDMI/DVI, but it all comes down to your source and display devices and how they handle the (video) signal.

As far as displays, I'd imagine the newest TVs probably do HDMI better, if that's what they natively support, but again, it would really depend on what specs the TV was built to.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Consoles aren't handhelds... Nintendo can get away with it because most handhelds are $100 - $130.

Hell, if Microsoft told me I could upgrade for $100 to a new 360 with HDMI I'd jump on that too... $100 is a cheap upgrade price.

Actually, that would be kind of nice if that were to happen, send in your old 360 and $100 and get a shiny new one with HDMI and a bigger hard drive, but that would never ever happen.[/quote]
This isn't going to happen. Sony released a new slim PS2 that included the network adapter (which I bought for $40) at a lower price ... we didn't see a refund offer there and we're not going to see one here.

You paid to use the machine before the new one came out, technology gets cheaper the longer it's out; that's how today's commerce works.
 
[quote name='CrimsonPaw']This isn't going to happen. Sony released a new slim PS2 that included the network adapter (which I bought for $40) at a lower price ... we didn't see a refund offer there and we're not going to see one here.

You paid to use the machine before the new one came out, technology gets cheaper the longer it's out; that's how today's commerce works.[/QUOTE]

Yes but the old PS2 had a network add on adapter. If MS releases an HDMI version of the 360 I believe it will be the first console that had a version 2 that is superior to version 1 and leaves people with an outdated version 1 system that cannot be updated. I know that's a slight exageration since HDMI isn't really THAT important assuming you have an HDTV that supports a vga input.
 
I have tried both HDMI and component on the PS3, and with my 720P Samsung TV, I can't tell the difference. (I tried it just to be sure... since I've been using HDMI since I bought the PS3). I think component's fine for most folks. I can't attest to the 1080p aspects of HDMI, but for less than 1080p, it's just as vibrant and clear on both kinds of cables.

So, having the HDMI connector on the new "Knight Rider edition" of the 360 isn't very compelling.

The 120GB HDD is, though... but judging from the costs Microsoft charges for the 20GB add-on, I shudder to think what the bigger one will cost. :)
 
I'll be cashing in on that free eb games warranty I got if this is true.
 
Purchasing this boils down to three questions

1) Are you anal about the color of your console?
2) Do you need a HDD larger than 20g?
3) Can you utilize the advantages provided by HDMI (and do you know what these are)?

Price is going to be key. I don't think those "features" are worth more than a $100 upgrade cost (after selling my original 360). I don't see how it can release at ~500 (unless it comes with HD-DVD built in), given their criticism of the PS3 pricepoint.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']why do people still call the normal Xbox 360 the "premium" version. What a bunch of tards........[/QUOTE]
Because that's what it says on the box, retard.
 
I really don't need the HDMI or different color, but I do hope that they'll make the 120 GB hard-drive available separately.
 
[quote name='zewone']Because that's what it says on the box, retard.[/quote]

Sorry, but it really made me lol:lol:
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Hope Microsoft does something for current 360 owners who want HDMI... gonna be kinda pissed if I have to sell my current system to get a new one (yes, I want the best technology out there).

Has something like this ever happened before with a home console? I know Nintendo revises it's portables all the time, but $100 - $130 isn't as big as making you drop an extra $400 - $500 with new tech in it.

I don't care about the color, the HD, or the disk drive... I just want HDMI. I'm just hoping MS has some kinda of plan to get current 360 owners some HDMI.[/QUOTE]

I'm with Roufuss but then I think my Sony might've scrapped quality a little on the HD Component imputs compared to the one HDMI input I have. Here's hoping it sees the same crispness from Component in 1080i on HD DVD's as I do on OTA HD 1080i.
 
[quote name='zewone']Because that's what it says on the box, retard.[/QUOTE]
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ORLY?
 
[quote name='Indiana']Yes but the old PS2 had a network add on adapter. If MS releases an HDMI version of the 360 I believe it will be the first console that had a version 2 that is superior to version 1 and leaves people with an outdated version 1 system that cannot be updated.[/QUOTE]

I'm 99% sure an updated PS2 came out with something the original lacked...I didn't own any version of the PS2 so I'm not sure, I'm sure someone else knows. Infared port maybe?

An HDMI out is more significant than that for sure, but it's not unprecedented.
 
The slimline ps2 came out without the hard drive bay.

Here's my question:

For those of us that want to keep our current 360 but upgrade the 20gb HD to the new 120gb HD, how in the hell are we going to transfer all of the data to the new drive? Will MS address this issue?
 
[quote name='dahermitt']The slimline ps2 came out without the hard drive bay.

Here's my question:

For those of us that want to keep our current 360 but upgrade the 20gb HD to the new 120gb HD, how in the hell are we going to transfer all of the data to the new drive? Will MS address this issue?[/QUOTE]

I believe you can buy something to do that now...the XSATA or something like that. Basically copies everything to your computer.

You can also REDOWNLOAD everythign you have, which would suck, but you can.

I doubt MS is going to offer an option to transfer easily.

Memory Card is another option to transfer saves.
 
If they offer the 120GB drive for purchase I expect it to include a tool to copy all my info off the 20GB drive. Either via some sort of upload of data back to an MS server or via some device to transfer the data via the USB port.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Other than the ability to upscale SD DVDs and carrying the audio & video signal though one cable, are there any other reasons to go for an HDMI connection over Component? Is there any noticible improvement in video quality?

I know that some HD-DVD/Bluray discs can carry an advanced audio signal through HDMI, but if you don't have a receiver that supports it, I guess it doesn't really matter.[/quote]
Well Microsoft could just offer a update that allows for the codecs to be decoded on the 360 instead of the reciever, therefore allowing all hdmi recievers to support it. The PS3 does this (it decoded LPCM, TrueHD). So you would get better sound from the HDMI. Also better 1080p (VGA sucks) support. And it has arguably better Picture Quality (HDMI 1.3 could have marginably better) And then the luxury of using 1 cable like you said.
 
I hope the rumor of premium for $300 is true. I will definately jump on that. I salivate at nba 2k7 everytime I'm in Best Buy and need a 360.
 
[quote name='nharmon91']So you would get better sound from the HDMI. Also better 1080p (VGA sucks) support.[/QUOTE]

VGA is fine to me. It can vary depending on your set (and also how it's calibrated), but the differences are mostly going to be in your head unless you're sporting a top of the line setup that is taking full advantage of the newest HDMI 1.3 features.

The "luxury" of having it all in one cable is debatable as well. Depending on your setup, with HDMI you may be stuck running the audio through your TV speakers rather than your HTS.
 
The only thing that has been holding me back from buying a 360 again are these rumors. Hopefully we'll hear something official on it shortly.
 
[quote name='RawisJericho']The only thing that has been holding me back from buying a 360 again are these rumors. Hopefully we'll hear something official on it shortly.[/quote]

Same here.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']top of the line setup that is taking full advantage of the newest HDMI 1.3 features.[/quote]
That is not possible anyway because there are no HDMI 1.3 recievers or HDMI 1.3 TVs, there is only HDMI 1.3 players (theres only 2 or 3 of those anyway). The main issue with VGA is its "softness" which does vary from person to person and setup to setup like you said, though it does seem common anyway.
 
my VGA looks fantastic.....i dont know why people dont like it..i think its all in most peoples heads depending on the tv they are using....it just sticks with them that the signal is analog instead of digital and of course they have to have the best and they will nit-pick the VGA to death only to hook up HDMI and convince themselves how much better it looks
 
If this turns out to be true:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/772/772950p1.html

(Halo 3 in Sept) then it makes perfect sense for a new model to come out in May as rumored. Get people to shell out for that, then another round when Halo 3 hits, then another round for Christmas shopping. It all adds up to big sales for MS. Of course, an alternate theory is that they hold pat until after Halo 3 comes out and tons of people buy the current Premium at $400. THEN they come out with the new model a few months after. But that would be sneaky and evil :lol:.
 
"HDD Will not be removable"

Hey! That's not right! I have a lot of saves on My current 360 HDD. Make the HDD on this one removable, But don't make it so that I cannot use the faceplate pack that I bought.
 
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