Crazy Virginia Report calls almost everyone a terrorist

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http://www.dhrm.virginia.gov/worker...isisControllAssessPotentialThreatViolence.pdf
Here's some highlights:
ANTI-GOVERNMENT
GROUPS ISSUES

  • Gun Rights
  • Individual vs. Federal
  • Constitutional Issues
  • Judicial System
  • Sovereign
  • Citizens
  • Tax Protestors
  • Wise Use Movement
  • Loss of Sovereignty
Click to expand...
HOMELAND
Organizations working to have
their piece of the USA

  • Aryan Nations
  • American Indian movement
Click to expand...
ANARCHIST GROUPS

  • COUNTERPROTEST HATE GROUPS
  • PROTEST GLOBALIZATION
  • WORLD TRADE
  • MILITARY INTERVENTION
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SEPARATIST MOVEMENTS

  • BLACK SEPARATISTS
  • PUERTO RICAN NATIONALISTS
  • AMERICAN INDIANS
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OTHER HATE GROUPS

  • ETHNIC GROUPS (old country blood feuds)
  • SINGLE ISSUE EXTREMISTS (fix wrongs)
  • RADICAL ANIMAL RIGHTS
  • RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALIST
  • ANTI-ABORTION ACTIVISTS
  • RELIGIOUS CULTS
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WHAT TO LOOK FOR!

  • UNUSUAL REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION
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WHAT TO LOOK FOR!

  • LARGE CASH TRANSACTIONS
  • FRAUDULENT/CONFLICTING DOCUMENTS
  • NUMEROUS VISITORS/MEETINGS
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Good Lead:
......He was standing near a
brown Ford pick-up truck, PA SYE-141, with a
rusting tailgate and a bumper sticker that
said, “Say No to the New World Order”.
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The piece is pretty good. It shows there are groups of every race, color, and creed that are trying to terrorize their neighbors. There were bits about international muslim extremist groupls (Hamas) and national separatist groupls (Black Panthers and KKK).

I'm still trying to figure how this should provoke debate in the vs. forum though.
 
It's a policing report that accurately depicts groups in the United States that have anti-government AND violent tendencies.

The "crazy" only stems from those who deny that such groups exist in the US.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's a policing report that accurately depicts groups in the United States that have anti-government AND violent tendencies.

The "crazy" only stems from those who deny that such groups exist in the US.[/QUOTE]

Oh, so I suppose most Native Americans you know are terrorists? People who protest hate groups are anarchists? People who are pro-life are extremeists? The judicial system and the constitution are terrorist issues?
 
If you consider the definition of "terrorism," then yes, those are issues conducive to terrorism.

You're thinking of the 2001+ narrow definition of terrorism. That's overly simplistic.

And of course the constitution and judicial system are issues that motivate some terrorist groups. What makes you think that the foundation of our government and one of the most crucial aspects of our government aren't?
 
I must have missed the part where Native Americans where terrorizing anyone these days, by any definition of the term. They got royally f'ed up in my state some years back and I live in Rhode Island of all places.

That justification was pretty weak sauce.
 
If you agree or disagree with parts or the whole of the report, I'm willing to bet that some of the individuals that were around in 2004 as part of the report's creation are still around here and now in 2009.

If you're the kind of person to get upset by this, then I could understand wanting to make sure people know it's out there so the individuals behind it don't progress further in their political lives.

Besides - we live in a country where our government is making official apologies for things that happened hundreds of years ago, where none of the people involved are still alive. I think we can take the time to look at what our government was doing four years ago.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Page 19 is interesting. Terrorists overthrew Jimmy Carter....[/QUOTE]

Jimmy Carter did lose the election in 1980 because of the Iranian Hostage Crisis and the gas embargos. Two examples of how foreign governments will meddle in our politics and we'll give in to fear and elect a Republican. No, he wasn't overthrown but he lost any chance of re-election which is basically the same thing.

Oh, and this isn't something the federal government put out. This was put out by the Virginia State Police. You might want to read the first page or even the title of the link next time.

And just because there aren't thousands of Native Americans running around agitating and terrorizing doesn't mean there aren't a couple of guys stewing about losing their ancestral land. Most of the terror attacks are pulled off by less than a 30 people. Again, there's nothing in this report that says that ALL of one kind of people are terrorists. I'm not pissed because the Black Panthers are in there. In no way did the report say that all black people should be treated as terrorists just like it doesn't say that all Muslims are terrorists. Stop simplyfying things to the elementary school level to try and make some sort of point.
 
[quote name='Koggit']the "countries that use terrorist groups to further national goals" page is missing "united states"[/QUOTE]

I noticed that. More proof whoever wrote this report is dumb. I can't think of the last time a American Indian was part of a terrorist group, but I can think of multiple instances of the US using, funding and creating terrorist groups.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']I noticed that. More proof whoever wrote this report is dumb. I can't think of the last time a American Indian was part of a terrorist group, but I can think of multiple instances of the US using, funding and creating terrorist groups.[/QUOTE]

Don't be a retard. The state of Virginia isn't going to start calling the federal government terrorists. Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

And just because you can't think of an example doesn't mean there aren't a couple groups out there agitating for massive reparations to Native Americans.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Don't be a retard. The state of Virginia isn't going to start calling the federal government terrorists. Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

And just because you can't think of an example doesn't mean there aren't a couple groups out there agitating for massive reparations to Native Americans.[/QUOTE]

When was the last time an American Indian committed a terrorist act? When was the last time the US committed a terrorist act? I think you'll find that the US government commits more terrorist acts than American Indians.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']When was the last time an American Indian committed a terrorist act? When was the last time the US committed a terrorist act? I think you'll find that the US government commits more terrorist acts than American Indians.[/QUOTE]

Again, why would the state of Virginia bite the hand that feeds them? And how do you propose that the state of Virginia start fighting state sponsored terrorism?

On the same hand, when's the last time the Black Panthers did anything close to terrorism? You don't have a problem with that though.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Again, why would the state of Virginia bite the hand that feeds them? And how do you propose that the state of Virginia start fighting state sponsored terrorism?

On the same hand, when's the last time the Black Panthers did anything close to terrorism? You don't have a problem with that though.[/QUOTE]

The Black Panthers are a organization of a bygone era. They were a fringe group, and now they are pretty much dissolved. American Indians still exist today, and are not a terrorist group, so if they are on there why not put the US government, who loves terrorism. Of course they don't because this is a terrible report.
 
Black Panthers still exist, still meet, and still plan.

It didn't take very many people to blow up the Oklahoma City Building - so a low profile and low numbers is not a suitable proxy for wiping them clean of any list.

Don't be so blind.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Black Panthers still exist, still meet, and still plan.

It didn't take very many people to blow up the Oklahoma City Building - so a low profile and low numbers is not a suitable proxy for wiping them clean of any list.

Don't be so blind.[/QUOTE]

For what it's worth, the current generation of Black Panthers do not have the backing or blessing of the original group. In fact, I believe they had to change their name to something like "New Black Panther Party".

So.... anyone can be a terrorist. Why even bother to list particular groups?

Also, what would the outcry had the document simply stated "Muslims" as terrorist, instead of qualifying the statement with "Extremist"? Perhaps they should have said "Native American Extremists"?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Black Panthers still exist, still meet, and still plan.

It didn't take very many people to blow up the Oklahoma City Building - so a low profile and low numbers is not a suitable proxy for wiping them clean of any list.

Don't be so blind.[/QUOTE]

The Black Panthers (the organization that was around in the 1960s and 1970s) is no longer active. There may be elements of it still around, but the group as a whole dissolved around 1976. This report says BLACK SEPARATISTS, and PUERTO RICAN NATIONALISTS, are separatist groups. It also says American Indians are. Notice how it doesn't say radical, or anything like that. It also has American Indians right up there with the Aryan Nation. Both of these things imply that American Indians are terrorists. It doesn't say extremist American Indians, just American Indians. This along with other things, makes this a terrible report. It just shows very biased information, like that you should call the police on someone if they have a bumper sticker that says something "radical." Or that people who are anti-abortionists are part of hate groups. It makes it look like almost everyone with an opinion is a terrorist.
 
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