Cynicism, donor fatigue, and Live 8

RBM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4642169.stm

There are many articles and blogs about Live 8, but I like the one in the link because it offers some reader opinions already. A few (edited) views on the perceived and realistic benefits of the Live 8 concerts going on across the world today are:

Poverty is present in the majority of the world, especially in the Third World countries. It is not going to go away, no matter how many concert you have, a bunch of rockers getting together is not going to change that. You want to make a difference? Then do something with that money that will make a long term difference. Like building some schools, building irrigation systems etc using local labour. (from Sri Lanka)

Apparently some of the boards advertising LIVE 8 have been defaced with the messages "Hypocrites" and "Don't oversimplify poverty". To those who do not understand; it's not about oversimplifying anything, it's about doing something as opposed to nothing. If money helps and awareness helps, and if hope helps, then LIVE 8 will have done something, and it will be a greater something than the nothingness of mindless messages of bigotry. (from the UK)

Of course the Group of 8 will have to move fast on corrupt African regimes which are terrorising and impoverishing their own people by destroying their so-called illegal houses who are already suffering from the unfair terms of trade with the West. Live 8 will help change the attitudes of the leaders of the G8 towards African people because they are being told to do so by their own people like Sir Bob Geldof, Bono and others. (from Kent)

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My own two cents: a cynical view of the Live 8 concerts might be that they serve to soothe the conscience of the international community, while yielding very little (if any) actual benefits. If a man donates ten dollars toward a fund to help alleviate poverty or if he votes to approve a proposition supporting third world debt cancellation, then he derives a corresponding sense of "having done something" to tackle the problem, while attending a Live 8 concert and cheering celebrity speeches about those same issues might elicit a similar sense of satisfaction without having had to do anything meaningful.

A counterargument to that line of thought might be to point out that the concerts are free because their goal is to raise awareness and not donations. Namely, that these concerts serve as preliminaries to donation drives and political approval for debt cancellation. Neither of these two movements gets far when the public is apathetic or ignorant of the problem, and so these concerts serve to drum up both in anticipation of later action.

If the point is to raise awareness, then you need something to draw the masses so that they'll listen to what you have to say. It's prohibitively expensive to use free food or free beer for masses across the world, so you use free music from popular celebrities...including African musicians would make it more meaningful, but if you wind up drawing fewer crowds due to lower name recognition, then that might not be worthwhile.

Lastly, I don't believe either camp (those openly supportive or those openly critical of these concerts) have put forth any ideas on how to combat government corruption in the third world. International headlines regularly expose graft and corruption in the bureacracy, the military, and the courts...and pumping more money into those agencies obviously won't help. Supporting anarchy or revolution isn't the answer; I haven't heard any proposed answers to this glaring obstacle in alleviating poverty.
 
Live 8 is being done horrible in canada. They were gonna have it in ottawa, then in vancouver, then it was confirmed for toronto, then the day after that they said the venue they were gonna have it at was booked so they had to move to barrie, ontario.

Now, barrie is a city of about 120,000 people about an hour north of toronto (and probably the worst city I've ever been to, if it wasn't for a great microbrewery it would have been a worthless trip when I went) and has a major homeless problem (between 94 and 98 the amount of people in homeless shelters grew well over 1,000 percent, more than any area in ontario)). The soup kitchens, homeless shelters etc. were all going to have efforts (mainly food drives) to raise awareness for their cause OUTSIDE of the concert pending live 8 approval, but Geldof (the guy in charge) wouldn't allow this. He said he wanted everyones attention to focus entirely on africa. I can understand him not wanting to use the concert itself, but they where just going to be outside, it wouldn't have taken away from the concert and it would have benefited the local homeless as well as any benefit it would have to african poor. I've heard him talk multiple times about "global poverty", if that is his concern then I don't get why we shouldn't concerned about africa as well as our own backyard.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']And just why the hell not?[/QUOTE]

Right on. Revolution IS the answer in certain places (look at the wonderful examples recently in Georgia, Ukraine and Lebanon).
 
[quote name='RBM']If the point is to raise awareness, then you need something to draw the masses so that they'll listen to what you have to say. It's prohibitively expensive to use free food or free beer for masses across the world, so you use free music from popular celebrities...including African musicians would make it more meaningful, but if you wind up drawing fewer crowds due to lower name recognition, then that might not be worthwhile.

Lastly, I don't believe either camp (those openly supportive or those openly critical of these concerts) have put forth any ideas on how to combat government corruption in the third world. International headlines regularly expose graft and corruption in the bureacracy, the military, and the courts...and pumping more money into those agencies obviously won't help. Supporting anarchy or revolution isn't the answer; I haven't heard any proposed answers to this glaring obstacle in alleviating poverty.
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No one really need stheir awareness raised on the fact that poverty is a problem. Charge them $5 (or even $1) apiece to see the concert and donate it all to an appropriate charitable organization. Corruption is a fact of life, so any organization worth its salt should be budgeting for payoffs or finding constructive ways to grease the right palms. Find out what things you can use to bribe the officals in the area that you're targetting that aren't food or money for food and find someone to donate them to you. For instance, I doubt Starvin Marvin has much use for that shiny Ipod or PSP. Put it into the right hands and you'll actually be allowed to give him the food he really needs. Unfortunately, you need to accept that you either work within a corrupt system or overthrow it. Or you could throw a concert to raise awareness of it...
 
[quote name='atreyue']No one really need stheir awareness raised on the fact that poverty is a problem. [/QUOTE]
Before you ask that the creditors who loaned you billions of dollars in the past simply forget about those loans & forgo all repayment, it's a good idea to try to scrape up some leverage on your side of the table. But, what leverage? You owe billions and you are still struggling to raise a sizable portion of your population out of poverty. You could say,"Look, we both know that if we continue this pattern, you are just going to keep giving me money--or feel badly about not helping--and I'll always be dependent on your charity. Why not break the pattern altogether with a one-time debt cancellation so that I can have a chance to shake off this recurring theme of self-insufficiency?"

But, how do you back up the claims of future self-sufficiency? What happens if only meager gains surface and calls for new loans follow thereafter? The debt relief package approved just last month by the G8 came to $40 billion dollars for crying out loud.

...as for your fatalistic comments regarding corrupt bureaucracies, well, I suppose one could simply view graft as just another expenditure a government body can budget for...but, I don't see how adopting such a candid (and gory) attitude toward corruption in the courts, federal bodies, and military will mitigate the harsh, downstream effects such seem to have on the public at large, which seems to have been deprived of economic aid in the past by this siphoning of public funds.
 
[quote name='RBM']...as for your fatalistic comments regarding corrupt bureaucracies, well, I suppose one could simply view graft as just another expenditure a government body can budget for...but, I don't see how adopting such a candid (and gory) attitude toward corruption in the courts, federal bodies, and military will mitigate the harsh, downstream effects such seem to have on the public at large, which seems to have been deprived of economic aid in the past by this siphoning of public funds.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about the options that are open to charitable organizations, not governments. But if you're talking about changes being made to a government by another one, you usually work with what's there or you scrap it and start all over. The idealistic idea of raising the awareness of the world community in hopes of creating an atmosphere that will foster change is almost as out of touch with reality as attempting to combat poverty by not contributing anything of value with which to fight even its more immediate ramifications. You've gotta choose one way or the other, there is no clear win/win solution.
 
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