Darwin film 'too controversial for religious America'

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(w)ww.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6173399/Charles-Darwin-film-too-controversial-for-religious-America.html

Sorry, I can't post links, but I think that you can figure it out.

Now, I'm atheist myself, so this just disgusts me. Seriously, I thought this was junior high science by now. I also thought that most people in the religious crowd had changed their views to include evolution.

Now, I've never really paid attention to the "worldwide rankings", but I'm really starting to understand why America ranks so low in science and math literacy.
 
That's pretty upsetting, this movie sounds like it'll be really good and Paul Bettany is a really good actor.

US distributors really don't think much of people in this country right? Ah well, considering how much money Transformers 2 made, they're absolutely right.
 
Wow, Movieguide.org claimed that Charles Darwin "directly inspired Hitler." That's fucked up. They're angry at someone who challenges their beliefs so they just indiscriminately associate him with arguably the most evil man of all time. Religion is a self-created curse on humanity.
 
ww.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6173399/Charles-Darwin-film-too-controversial-for-religious-America.html
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']i think its more of a money making think. who in the world actually thinks a movie about el darwino will make money.[/QUOTE]


its got distribution rights all over the World, so obviously someone thinks it will make money.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']i think its more of a money making think. who in the world actually thinks a movie about el darwino will make money.[/QUOTE]

I'd totally see it.
But I can also kind of see how hard it would be to make money in America with this movie. The interest for things like this for most people is "meh" at best.
But I think that will also be its biggest selling point. Science nerds like myself see Darwin as a great mind who did some great things amidst all the controversy.
 
Wow, so someone thinks people will watch a show about a bisexual making people compete for her 'love' by doing stupid shit, but they won't distribute a movie about Darwin because of the controversy?

To quote Bill Maher, "I would never put anything past this stupid country."
 
A snuff film like passion of the christ, people blow a load for.. A film depicting the story of one of the most influental people in western civilization. Oh my god no!!
 
[quote name='homeland']A snuff film like passion of the christ, people blow a load for.. A film depicting the story of one of the most influential people in western civilization. Oh my god no!![/QUOTE]

Protip on making money - Write Jesus on it, or put an image on it that meets the general consensus of what Jesus was (Skinny-ass white guy that looks like a hippy).
 
Yeah I've heard more than one person out right say they are opposed to healthcare reform because Obama is not keeping this country the "christian nation it's supposed to be."
 
Oh hahaha Americans.

Funny how everyone here wants to bash religion. Isn't bashing what somebody believes already braindead enough? You can't prove religion just like you can't prove science (which afterall, is a consensus that can and will change overtime). Since you are all bashing others over things you can't prove, doesn't that make you the idiots here?

And yes, lets point and laugh at Americans why don't we? I mean, America only created the microchip, has the two largest semiconductor manufacturers in the world, the largest space, biotech, medical research and development place in the world. It's not like the world would be in the stone age if America didn't exist or anything..........
 
While we are laughing, LOL, I always find it funny how people who bash religions for what when on the past (Stuff like the crusades and people hating others for their opposing religions) enjoy doing EXACTLY what those people did in the past while hating them!

It's hilarious! They must be too stupid to realize that they are just like the people they hate!
 
So AdultLink, are you saying that the only option is religion, and that if we don't believe, we are wrong?

Right now you aren't exactly proving any points, your just sitting between two fences, whipping your dick out and slapping each with it while starved dogs are about to charge you.
 
It's not bashing people over things they can't prove. The article cites a Gallup poll conducted in February which shows only 39% believe in the theory of evolution.

By the way, Darwin acknowledged that creationism and evolution can co-exist.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Underlined part wasn't in the first edition of Origin of Species. Darwin put it in after caving to the fundamentalists.

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[quote name='georox']So AdultLink, are you saying that the only option is religion, and that if we don't believe, we are wrong?

Right now you aren't exactly proving any points, your just sitting between two fences, whipping your dick out and slapping each with it while starved dogs are about to charge you.[/QUOTE]

Did I ever say that? No, so quit your idiotic assumptions.

All that I'm doing is saying something known as COMMON SENSE. This topic is a christian bashing topic, none of you are making any sense either, just acting like the people you read about and hate, and not even realizing what you are doing.

I never said anything about religion or science being right, I only said that bashing people opinions on something you can't prove is idiotic.
 
I can't even quote this joker because there isn't any form or flow to what I guess I'll call an argument.

The only thing I'll offer up is that, yes, Americans are capable of some impressive technology. You'll find that most of them fall on the side of evolutionists.

EDIT: Quit calling every criticism a "bashing" comment. Religion is not, nor should it be, immune to criticism. You'll simplify my critique of religion as being narrow-minded without even considering the kinds of "opinions" I'm condemning. You can't prove/disprove the existence of unicorns, so by your logic I should still respect people who believe something so nonsensical.
 
[quote name='IRHari']It's not bashing people over things they can't prove. The article cites a Gallup poll conducted in February which shows only 39% believe in the theory of evolution.

By the way, Darwin acknowledged that creationism and evolution can co-exist.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Underlined part wasn't in the first edition of Origin of Species. Darwin put it in after caving to the fundamentalists.

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Yes, and Charles Darwin would facepalm if he were reading this topic.
 
[quote name='AdultLink']You can't prove religion just like you can't prove science[/QUOTE]

False equivalency to the trillionth power.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']False equivalency to the trillionth power.[/QUOTE]

Alright, at the current time. As our understanding of the world and universe grows, eventually we'd be able to prove science. At this time science is a consensus, and until we have much better understanding, it's still that.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']I can't even quote this joker because there isn't any form or flow to what I guess I'll call an argument.

The only thing I'll offer up is that, yes, Americans are capable of some impressive technology. You'll find that most of them fall on the side of evolutionists.

EDIT: Quit calling every criticism a "bashing" comment. Religion is not, nor should it be, immune to criticism. You'll simplify my critique of religion as being narrow-minded without even considering the kinds of "opinions" I'm condemning. You can't prove/disprove the existence of unicorns, so by your logic I should still respect people who believe something so nonsensical.[/QUOTE]

Well you see, this is why corporations try to keep religion and politics out. What the hell does your beliefs have to do with your daily life?

Lets get something straight. A person who believes in a higher diety is a bit different then someone who believes in fairies, unicorns, dragons, and such. You can definately prove unicorns don't exist, but as for thing not of this world... You can't. Esp. with the whole area 51 coverup.

You should also try and remember that discussions over religion and politics should be at least somewhat civilized, not the shit here.
 
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I'm so sorry I stopped your crusade against christianity... Why don't you continue your hatred of a religion and forget I came around?
 
Ignoring the idiots here, there isn't a way you can hate a religion. What you are hating is the people who believe in it.

With that said, who made anybody here the chooser of what is right and wrong? I'm sure if you asked your friends about everything they believed you'd find something that shocked or annoyed you.

The point is personal beliefs have no facts in them if you can't prove it. It's like the old saying, innocent until proven guilty. Anyone remember that one, the one Bush ran straight over and now everyone else...?
 
[quote name='AdultLink']Well you see, this is why corporations try to keep religion and politics out. What the hell does your beliefs have to do with your daily life?

Lets get something straight. A person who believes in a higher diety is a bit different then someone who believes in fairies, unicorns, dragons, and such. You can definately prove unicorns don't exist, but as for thing not of this world... You can't. Esp. with the whole area 51 coverup.

You should also try and remember that discussions over religion and politics should be at least somewhat civilized, not the shit here.[/QUOTE]

What do your beliefs have to do with your everyday life!? How you perceive the world depends on the things you believe in. It's time we were open about the laughable things that religious people believe in.

A person who believes in a higher deity requires precisely the same credulity and wish-thinking as one who believes in fairies, unicorns, etc. You can't disprove the existence of unicorns. We discover new species of animals fairly regularly, so there is always the chance that they do exist. Would you prefer it if I said "invisible unicorns?" That way, you can rest on the same elevated ground religious people have been enjoying for the past couple thousand years.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']What do your beliefs have to do with your everyday life!? How you perceive the world depends on the things you believe in. It's time we were open about the laughable things that religious people believe in.

A person who believes in a higher deity requires precisely the same credulity and wish-thinking as one who believes in fairies, unicorns, etc. You can't disprove the existence of unicorns. We discover new species of animals fairly regularly, so there is always the chance that they do exist. Would you prefer it if I said "invisible unicorns?" That way, you can rest on the same elevated ground religious people have been enjoying for the past couple thousand years.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you tell everyone here everything you believe in? I'm sure somebody will find something to laugh at.
 
How you know a troll sucks - When they can't figure out how to condense three separate posts into one.

Triple-posting ftl.
 
[quote name='AdultLink']Ignoring the idiots here, there isn't a way you can hate a religion. What you are hating is the people who believe in it.[/QUOTE]

Assuming that a religion is what its texts say it is, it becomes very easy to hate a religion.

I don't need to point out the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of religion because the texts themselves have an awful sense of what is right and wrong by today's standards.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Assuming that a religion is what its texts say it is, it becomes very easy to hate a religion.

I don't need to point out the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of religion because the texts themselves have an awful sense of what is right and wrong by today's standards.[/QUOTE]

And if you read about those people, they hated others simply due to their alternate beliefs. Which is entirely what people in this topic are doing. Why can't you see this?
 
[quote name='AdultLink']Why don't you tell everyone here everything you believe in? I'm sure somebody will find something to laugh at.[/QUOTE]

Are you done yet? I feel like you've completely run out of anything to say.
 
[quote name='AdultLink']And if you read about those people, they hated others simply due to their alternate beliefs. Which is entirely what people in this topic are doing. Why can't you see this?[/QUOTE]

I hope you'll agree with me that no Atheist has killed another person, religious or otherwise, in the name of Atheism.

Don't try to put the hate on other shoulders because the religious are masters of hating each other, spreading fear, and harvesting gullibility and as such, wear the crown of Hate.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Are you done yet? I feel like you've completely run out of anything to say.[/QUOTE]

Not in the least, sorry to disappoint. This country was formed with people with different beliefs, and nearly destroyed by people who hated others beliefs to the point where they wanted them dead.

I'm not arguing for religion as much as I'm arguing against hating others because they believe something. You guys are doing EXACTLY what caused these issues and of course you are too blind to notice it.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']I hope you'll agree with me that no Atheist has killed another person, religious or otherwise, in the name of Atheism.

Don't try to put the hate on other shoulders because the religious are masters of hating each other, spreading fear, and harvesting gullibility and as such, wear the crown of Hate.[/QUOTE]

You sure about that?

If it's not religion it's be a car or something techy. It's not the belief in religion that caused people to hate, it's the fact that they couldn't take others opinions. Topics like this only show more wars for humanity.

You guys need to understand and understand fast. Religion is just a tool in situations like this. All choices come from within the person. You can't blame religion just like you can't blame anything else. The person choose to hate themselves.
 
[quote name='AdultLink']And if you read about those people, they hated others simply due to their alternate beliefs. Which is entirely what people in this topic are doing. Why can't you see this?[/QUOTE]

I don't think all the posters on here hate these people. We just think they're not that smart. You don't have to hate to disagree.

By the way, you seemed to make quite a few assumptions about the people posting here. Nothing they said was hate speech.

Hang on a second here while I pull a Jon Stewart:

[quote name='AdultLink']Assume and be wrong eh? While you make assumptions on people?

I think the idiot is you. You haven't met the majority of these people yet you seem to know their thoughts.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='IRHari']I don't think all the posters on here hate these people. We just think they're not that smart. You don't have to hate to disagree.

By the way, you seemed to make quite a few assumptions about the people posting here. Nothing they said was hate speech.

Hang on a second here while I pull a Jon Stewart:[/QUOTE]

Nice. Now try and quote the rest of the topic, the one where the guy made nothing but assumptions about people he doesn't know?

If you want to prove I'm human then congrats, but the facts still remain. Hating others for beliefs and assumptions leads to war.
 
And yes, this was a bashing topic before I replied and you guys started attacking me, don't try to bullshit.

This was never a discussion, this was nothing but fanboy hate filled rhetoric.
 
[quote name='AdultLink']Not in the least, sorry to disappoint. This country was formed with people with different beliefs, and nearly destroyed by people who hated others beliefs to the point where they wanted them dead.

I'm not arguing for religion as much as I'm arguing against hating others because they believe something. You guys are doing EXACTLY what caused these issues and of course you are too blind to notice it.[/QUOTE]

You aren't seeing that the opposition to Darwinian theory is only from a religious ground. It takes an enormous amount of credulity and blindness to not see that people numb themselves to what we currently have as the best explanation to the origin of our species. You completely misunderstand that criticism of outdated beliefs and stalwart ignorance do not equal hate of people. It is, rather, a force of introspection onto what one thinks and why they think that way. The scientist thinks a certain way because the mountain of evidence points in this way or that way. The religious person thinks a certain way because a person older than them said that things were just this way or that way.

We have a better understanding of the world we live in today, no thanks to religion. You should be able to see that religion stifling discourse on evolution is an attempt to keep people blind to a more-robust explanation of where our species comes from.

I simply cannot respect anyone who legitimately believes that the world is 10,000 years old. That isn't just someone's belief, that is a very specific, purposely stupid way of thinking.

You, sir, are blind, if you think for a second that despising an attack on reason and intellectual discourse is a fight not worth standing up for.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']You aren't seeing that the opposition to Darwinian theory is only from a religious ground. It takes an enormous amount of credulity and blindness to not see that people numb themselves to what we currently have as the best explanation to the origin of our species. You completely misunderstand that criticism of outdated beliefs and stalwart ignorance do not equal hate of people. It is, rather, a force of introspection onto what one thinks and why they think that way. The scientist thinks a certain way because the mountain of evidence points in this way or that way. The religious person thinks a certain way because a person older than them said that things were just this way or that way.

We have a better understanding of the world we live in today, no thanks to religion. You should be able to see that religion stifling discourse on evolution is an attempt to keep people blind to a more-robust explanation of where our species comes from.

I simply cannot respect anyone who legitimately believes that the world is 10,000 years old. That isn't just someone's belief, that is a very specific, purposely stupid way of thinking.

You, sir, are blind, if you think for a second that despising an attack on reason and intellectual discourse is a fight not worth standing up for.[/QUOTE]

Reason and inttelectual discourse? If the topic had either then that would be a different thing, but this topic had again, nothing but hate filled fanboy rhetoric.

You want real reasons for reasons why religion sucks? How about the fact that bible thumpers quote passages that cave men wrote many years ago, and try to act like they are relevant? Or what about hating triangles because 'it's the gay man symbol', because somebody told them?

It's pretty obvious you guys haven't ever had serious jobs, because I could see you fist fighting every day. This wasn't a discussion on what things religion does wrong, it was 'HEY I'M A FANBOY WHO HATES EVERYTHING THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH!' topic. This was no discussion, this was fanboy hate filled rhetoric.
 
I don't see it, maybe I really am blind like you say AdultLink, but can you show me some of the 'hate filled rhetoric' you claim this topic is filled with?

Keep in mind just because you disagree with what someone posted doesn't mean its 'hate speech'.
 
The only thing people were bashing in this topic were people solely because they believe in a higher diety. There was no discussion, no reasoning, just hate for other's opinions.

If you want a real discussion, try one.
 
And lets be frank on a few things okay?

Science and technology is our new God, and yes, I did say that. Moving toward a technilogical singularity, any nuclear war would turn us back into cavemen.

It doesn't bother me that people belive in a god they don't see. If they are productive individuals why the fuck should it matter?

Is a random diety so insulting to you? If it is, then again, please be a hermit, because you will meet lots of people in real life with crazy ass beliefs.
 
And please, be honest with me. If it's not god it'll be something else. Which is why we all spend our time bitching about how republicans and democrats think.

We are a doomed society, you know why? Because we are too busy bitching about what the other person thinks to help society.
 
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