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*EDIT* Joystiq - Confirmed by Microsoft

To mark the fifth anniversary of the Xbox Live service, Microsoft will be offering Carcassonne (Hexic 2 in Korea) free to all subscribers for 48 hours starting at 12:01 a.m. EST on Nov. 15th (and presumably nothing to the peeps who already plunked down for the virtual board game), along with 500 Microsoft Points to the ten folks who've been on board since 2002 -- see kids, early adoption does pay off! In addition, Microsoft has confirmed earlier reports that 'Xbox Originals' will be made available for download starting Dec. 4th as part of the Fall Update (the update's additional features have yet to be revealed). Each game can be purchased and downloaded for 1200 points ($15).

In its press release, Microsoft explicitly named Halo, Psychonauts, Crimson Skies and Fable as titles for the Xbox Originals initiative, but did not confirm exactly which games will serve as the jumpoff: "This new service will launch with an array of blockbuster titles spanning the most popular genres from action-adventure to classic role-playing games." Third-party reports claim the preliminary lineup will include Halo, Fable, Indigo Prophecy, Crimson Skies, Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath Of Cortex and Burnout 3.
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Better move to that 120 GB hard drive if you want to get in on this.


Updates as they show up

*Each game will have a manual available, hosted as a PDF on the xbox.com site.

*Confirmed by XBL's Aaron Greenberg on an IGN podcast, Halo will be 2.3GB
 
Indigo Prophecy and Fable I want to download. But I am not gonna bother with this I think. Files for the games are likely to be at least 2GB. :cry: I am not paying $180 for a new HDD... Unless, Microsoft is planning on letting us use our own hard drives in the future? :lol:
 
I got money on no achievements and no online unless it was in the original game. It would be awesome though.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Sony's 40 GB has just been spited.[/quote]

Care to explain why you think that? What does Microsoft releasing original Xbox games have to do with Sony releasing a 40 GB PS3 model? If anything it "spites" the Virtual Console.
 
2 Gigs for these, good lord.

Anyway, a great idea, except for the fact that FABLE IS BC AND $5 everywhere. Gosh MS.

But ya, it'll be great when they start putting up games that didn't sell well and aren't easily accessible.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']Care to explain why you think that? What does Microsoft releasing original Xbox games have to do with Sony releasing a 40 GB PS3 model? If anything it "spites" the Virtual Console.[/QUOTE]It's basically saying "sorry to hear you've taken BC out of your console, as a matter of fact, we've just put our BC games up for download"
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I'm fine with it as long as they don't make available games that are not BC.[/QUOTE]

QFT. I was just thinking about that actually. Sounds like something MS would do.
 
[quote name='zewone']Wow.

If these games have achievements and/or online play (Halo), I can see this being a huge hit for MS.[/QUOTE]
They almost have to if they want to help them sell. For the prices and HD space they take up, its an arguement that its easier to pick them up used for the same/cheaper prices. Slap on some achievements and the money will flow.

I do wonder if Nintendo/Sony would ever make their own achievement type system. Achievements are a strange appealing thing. My favorite part is comparing games with other people.
 
All of those games can be found for much less than $15, only morons will pay higher prices for the slight convenience of not having to use a disc.

Why is it that whenever games have downloadable versions they always seem to be more expensive than the non-downloadable versions despite being much cheaper for the company?

Practically every Xbox game (let alone every backwards compatible Xbox game) is easy to find for under $15, so I don't see this service ever getting anything good.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']All of those games can be found for much less than $15, only morons will pay higher prices for the slight convenience of not having to use a disc.

Why is it that whenever games have downloadable versions they always seem to be more expensive than the non-downloadable versions despite being much cheaper for the company?[/QUOTE]
That's why these videogame companies go through the trouble of emulating these games.

The high profits of doing so.

The virtual console and the XBLA have already proven that there are enough people willing to pay for these type of downloadable games that this is a great idea.
 
[quote name='lordwow']CVG has yanked the article.[/QUOTE]
Interesting.


MS putting the clamps down, or bullshit story? I'm guessing the former.
 
[quote name='zewone']The virtual console and the XBLA have already proven that there are enough people willing to pay for these type of downloadable games that this is a great idea.[/QUOTE]

Everything else on virtual console and XBLA isn't already playable on the Wii or 360 (except the Sonic games, but even they have minor improvements), so people buying those games aren't as big of morons.
 
I don't see why they wouldn't add Achievements, it'd certainly boost sales. For DLC, it's 200 points. For something like Halo, that's easy just do a bunch of "beat on legendary" etc, how hard can it be?
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Everything else on virtual console and XBLA isn't already playable on the Wii or 360 (except the Sonic games, but even they have minor improvements), so people buying those games aren't as big of morons.[/QUOTE]

The rebuttal to that is the fact that you can't find a lot of the Xbox games. I haven't seen a Halo 1 in a store in a long time. I think $15 is a bit pricey for it (I mean it's a good game, but it's also like $5-10 if you find it online). Also, if you have the big HD, it makes it a lot easier than having all the XBox1 titles in cases.

It's mainly ease I guess. There's no easy way to get most of those titles. I had to eBay Crimson Skies to get it because no one sells it anymore. It's a lot easier to click a few buttons and have it on your HD.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']I do wonder if Nintendo/Sony would ever make their own achievement type system. Achievements are a strange appealing thing. My favorite part is comparing games with other people.[/QUOTE]Sony's got their "trophies" for Home, which IMO is better than achievements. I remember getting every achievement for Bomberman Live and being so proud because none of my buddies could do it, then I'd see somebody with 20x as many total points as me and die a little inside.
 
[quote name='lordwow']The rebuttal to that is the fact that you can't find a lot of the Xbox games. I haven't seen a Halo 1 in a store in a long time. I think $15 is a bit pricey for it (I mean it's a good game, but it's also like $5-10 if you find it online). Also, if you have the big HD, it makes it a lot easier than having all the XBox1 titles in cases.

It's mainly ease I guess. There's no easy way to get most of those titles. I had to eBay Crimson Skies to get it because no one sells it anymore. It's a lot easier to click a few buttons and have it on your HD.[/QUOTE]

http://www.secondspin.com/games/product-detail.jsp?id=2111539
Halo is $8 at Secondspin.com (FSN9 gets free shipping)

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product_id=950206
Crimson Skies is $2 at Gamestop.com (SAVER gets free shipping)

Maybe you can't find these games easily, but I can.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Sony's got their "trophies" for Home, which IMO is better than achievements. [/QUOTE]
How are trophies better than achievements?
 
[quote name='lordwow']The rebuttal to that is the fact that you can't find a lot of the Xbox games. I haven't seen a Halo 1 in a store in a long time. I think $15 is a bit pricey for it (I mean it's a good game, but it's also like $5-10 if you find it online). Also, if you have the big HD, it makes it a lot easier than having all the XBox1 titles in cases.

It's mainly ease I guess. There's no easy way to get most of those titles. I had to eBay Crimson Skies to get it because no one sells it anymore. It's a lot easier to click a few buttons and have it on your HD.[/quote]

Did you open your eyes?

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-659556745165-Halo-Combat-Evolved/dp/B00005NZ1G/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8527245-7207040?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1194957671&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-805529097681-Crimson-Skies/dp/B00008G75X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8527245-7207040?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1194957723&sr=1-1

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=4225706&st=halo&lp=6&type=product&cp=1&id=1051806595741
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Did you open your eyes?

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-659556745165-Halo-Combat-Evolved/dp/B00005NZ1G/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8527245-7207040?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1194957671&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-805529097681-Crimson-Skies/dp/B00008G75X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8527245-7207040?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1194957723&sr=1-1

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=4225706&st=halo&lp=6&type=product&cp=1&id=1051806595741[/QUOTE]

Well, like I said, I own Halo 1, and it's just not In-Store. Ya, you can get Crimson Skies or Halo 1 for $9.99 via JR, but shipping is $3-$4, plus you've gotta wait like a week+ to get it. Why wouldn't you just pony up the 1200 points (which, if you're like me, you stocked up on at the CC deal), and get the game for cheaper through DLC?
 
 
A couple of quick things that sprung to my mind.

Crash Bandicoot isn't published by Microsoft in any markets. Neither was Indigo Prophecy (Crash was VU games in the states, Konami everywhere else. Indigo was Atari all the way). To mention specifically that the update will allow users to play Microsoft published titles then to produce a list that contains two non Microsoft published titles seems a bit...off.

Onto the price point. Assuming all of this is true, Microsoft is going to have to up the ante and attempt to make you believe that X cost is better than buying it for $2 for the physical disc at Gamestop. If they introduce achievements (500 per game perhaps?) and multiplayer on titles that did not have it previously, they're on the right track. I'd like to see some graphical upgrades if I'm dishing out extra money for something already on my shelf.

I also don't buy the $15 price point. Unless the arcade games prices are getting slashed. Microsoft expects me to pay nearly the same price for Marathon when I can buy the full version of Halo? Even without any updates, the better value is in Halo. I'd imagine purely Xbox Live Arcade development companies would be none too happy about losing revenue because they do not have the resources to produce Xbox-quality games.
 
I'm pretty sure they will do the achivement upgrade because the know for most 360 gamers its everything. I know some people who buy arcade games just for the measley 200 points. 1200 for price is good 800-900 better but hopefully they will do something to justify the 1200 price and most def I see achivements coming. As for online play i don't see why not look at the emu's for like sonic and etc.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']
I also don't buy the $15 price point. Unless the arcade games prices are getting slashed. Microsoft expects me to pay nearly the same price for Marathon when I can buy the full version of Halo? Even without any updates, the better value is in Halo. I'd imagine purely Xbox Live Arcade development companies would be none too happy about losing revenue because they do not have the resources to produce Xbox-quality games.[/QUOTE]

Ya, but at the same time, that's a good chunk of change for Microsoft without having to deal with distribution, production, or shelf space. The argument with DLC has always been that it's pure profit. A game like Halo 1 is $15 for basically free for Microsoft. I don't think $15 is unreasonable, as I've said before, $15 is about what you could get many of these games for anyway.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Ya, but at the same time, that's a good chunk of change for Microsoft without having to deal with distribution, production, or shelf space. The argument with DLC has always been that it's pure profit. A game like Halo 1 is $15 for basically free for Microsoft. I don't think $15 is unreasonable, as I've said before, $15 is about what you could get many of these games for anyway.[/quote]

And you gotta add the price of convenience, all the time and money you spend getting to the store. Great way to go with the whole downloading in background while u play thing they added in one of the updates.
 
Maybe Gamestop will stop charging $25 for a used copy of Halo now...

Seriously though, the pricepoints on these suck. You can buy most of these for a fraction of the cost used.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Wish it wasn't JUST first party games.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer, FTW[/quote]

Avant Rising and MvC2 Please oh and if you can make MvC2 HD plz k thnx
 
[quote name='mykevermin']$15? fuck off.[/quote]

Word. They are crazy. It's not like MS is sitting on a ton of AAA franchises that people are going to get all nostalgic about. The Xbox has Halo and...?

Wouldn't it be the shit if the new fall update removed the BC features basically forcing you to DL old Xbox games to play them on your 360?
 
[quote name='lordwow']Well, like I said, I own Halo 1, and it's just not In-Store. Ya, you can get Crimson Skies or Halo 1 for $9.99 via JR, but shipping is $3-$4, plus you've gotta wait like a week+ to get it. Why wouldn't you just pony up the 1200 points (which, if you're like me, you stocked up on at the CC deal), and get the game for cheaper through DLC?[/quote]

Website shows it as being available in pretty much every store in the country Plus if you buy the actual game you own it. You don't have digital information that can only be used on 1 console that can break at any time. Unless the versions they sell come with extra content its a waste of money and a slap to the intelligence of gamers everywhere.

Also with the gamerush coupons and bestbuy/gamestop deals i can snag all those for much cheaper then $15 and i physically own the game/cd/case etc and am able to trade or sell it at a future date.

Also a check of inventroy for Boston MA shows more then 5 bestbuy's having it in stock.
So like i said if you didnt see it in store you didnt even do the most basic checking.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Well, like I said, I own Halo 1, and it's just not In-Store. Ya, you can get Crimson Skies or Halo 1 for $9.99 via JR, but shipping is $3-$4, plus you've gotta wait like a week+ to get it. Why wouldn't you just pony up the 1200 points (which, if you're like me, you stocked up on at the CC deal), and get the game for cheaper through DLC?[/QUOTE]

Use the fucking CAG forum or go to Gamestop. The games can be found there for much less than $15.

Shit, I just bought Indigo Prophecy used from GS for $10 a few months back, and I thought I was overpaying at the time.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Website shows it as being available in pretty much every store in the country Plus if you buy the actual game you own it. You don't have digital information that can only be used on 1 console that can break at any time. Unless the versions they sell come with extra content its a waste of money and a slap to the intelligence of gamers everywhere.

Also with the gamerush coupons and bestbuy/gamestop deals i can snag all those for much cheaper then $15 and i physically own the game/cd/case etc and am able to trade or sell it at a future date.

Also a check of inventroy for Boston MA shows more then 5 bestbuy's having it in stock.
So like i said if you didnt see it in store you didnt even do the most basic checking.[/QUOTE]

Best Buy's in-store check is rarely accurate. I've been to the local BBs recently, and I've never seen Halo 1 or Crimson Skies there. They have a ton of copies of Fable though.
 
Hmmm... Decent idea I suppose but assuming the games come out ala PSOne games on the PSN store (no additions), it's hard to justify $15 for something like Fable when it can be had for less in any number of stores.

However, if they want to release Baldur's Gate - Dark Alliance II for $15, I'd probably give it a shot.
 
This sounds more like a hopeful dream rather than a likely feature. Besides, the games would take forever to download from the live server.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']It's backwards compatible and $4 at Gamestop.[/QUOTE]

I know, I have it too!
Just wanted an excuse to say Buffy the Vampire slayer FTW :razz:
 
They should add games like Phantom Dust, Psychonauts, and Beyond Good and Evil. Great games that didn't sell well. Maybe people would be willing to pick them up for $15 online.
 
I think this price point ($15/1200 pts) is really in line with what the Virtual Console is doing. Do you honestly expect GameCube games to be $20?

I don't think they could add online play to these games though considering it would force them to update the code when the next generation comes. The online functionality part would have to be changed. Something I'm sure Microsoft isn't into.

I'm sure these games will be more reliable than xbox disc games when it comes to glitches and whatnot though. Even with achievements, and online play, it's not worth it. Period.
 
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