Dell sticks it to Best Buy...
- Thread starter jmcc
- Start date
The EA hate comes from the fact they act like bastards. The class action suit for unpaid overtime (and numerous), the weak game line up and the fact that Madden sells a billion copies on the name alone, rushed PC games and their crappy consumer support.
That's where the EA hate comes from, it's not undeserved.
Anyway, way to go Dell... even though your computers are a little cheesy.
That's where the EA hate comes from, it's not undeserved.
Anyway, way to go Dell... even though your computers are a little cheesy.
MadChedar0
CAGiversary!
You guys do realize that Dell also sucks, even more so than Best Buy.
[quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='vrs1650']Man I agree I can't understand why people hate EA so much, me personallyI hate sega for all the business crap they do. At least EA has the smarts to stay in business.[/quote]
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...
Best Buy is just shooting themselves in the foot. My refrigerator went out over the weekend and I had to go buy a new one. Normally I would have checked Best Buy but I did not precisely because of the Wall Street article. The Best Buy in my area is a fairly new store and yes, I have only made "cheapass" purchases there so far, but they were building loyality with me, now that is all gone. They won't have this "devil" to kick around. 
As to them not liking people who take advantage of their $4.99 markdowns...duh, don't mark them down then.
to Dell for seeing Best Buy's supidity for what it is, and they next time I buy a computer I will seriously look at getting a Dell.
As to them not liking people who take advantage of their $4.99 markdowns...duh, don't mark them down then.
to Dell for seeing Best Buy's supidity for what it is, and they next time I buy a computer I will seriously look at getting a Dell.Duo_Maxwell
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 36 (100%)
If Dell didn't have their own craptacular customer service issues to address themselves then I'd almost buy into their ad...almost.
I've had great customer service from dell. 
k
Called them told them my keyboard died, they overnighted one to me and told me don't worry about the old one.
My LCD was going back, overnighted to me and included return postage label.
Caught them on a price mistake, and they honored it for me for a digicam.
k Called them told them my keyboard died, they overnighted one to me and told me don't worry about the old one.
My LCD was going back, overnighted to me and included return postage label.
Caught them on a price mistake, and they honored it for me for a digicam.
Duo_Maxwell
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 36 (100%)
[quote name='nikkai']I've had great customer service from dell. k
Called them told them my keyboard died, they overnighted one to me and told me don't worry about the old one.
My LCD was going back, overnighted to me and included return postage label.
Caught them on a price mistake, and they honored it for me for a digicam.[/quote]
Trust me Dell has had nortiously bad customer service especially lately. Not to mention using their tech support is like walking into a torture chamber of some kind. If you don't believe me just look at some place like Reseller Ratings.
k Called them told them my keyboard died, they overnighted one to me and told me don't worry about the old one.
My LCD was going back, overnighted to me and included return postage label.
Caught them on a price mistake, and they honored it for me for a digicam.[/quote]
Trust me Dell has had nortiously bad customer service especially lately. Not to mention using their tech support is like walking into a torture chamber of some kind. If you don't believe me just look at some place like Reseller Ratings.
Oh I don't really doubt *now* they have bad customer service because of all the outsourcing...
That's why whenever I deal w/ tech support for places like SMC and such, I call during normal business hours and make sure I call an Irvine branch or something. =)
That's why whenever I deal w/ tech support for places like SMC and such, I call during normal business hours and make sure I call an Irvine branch or something. =)
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Earlier in this thread there was all this EA hatred. I for one will never understand where this came from or how it emerged. Sadly to say dafoomie, most of your points were not valid points as to why someone should dislike EA or of some wrong doing they have done. Any way back the topic at hand.
[/quote]
If you can't see the various problems with EA, you're completely blind.
I'm sorry.
[/quote]
If you can't see the various problems with EA, you're completely blind.
I'm sorry.
vrs1650
CAGiversary!
[quote name='SEGA128DC'][quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='vrs1650']Man I agree I can't understand why people hate EA so much, me personallyI hate sega for all the business crap they do. At least EA has the smarts to stay in business.[/quote]
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.
hutno
CAGiversary!
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='nikkai']I've had great customer service from dell. k
Called them told them my keyboard died, they overnighted one to me and told me don't worry about the old one.
My LCD was going back, overnighted to me and included return postage label.
Caught them on a price mistake, and they honored it for me for a digicam.[/quote]
Trust me Dell has had nortiously bad customer service especially lately. Not to mention using their tech support is like walking into a torture chamber of some kind. If you don't believe me just look at some place like Reseller Ratings.[/quote]
My friend ordered apretty standard computer a little over a month ago and it still hasnt shipped yet, I personally have had really good experiences buying accessories, but I never bought a computer from them, andif I have to get a computer from anyone it probably wont be from them
k Called them told them my keyboard died, they overnighted one to me and told me don't worry about the old one.
My LCD was going back, overnighted to me and included return postage label.
Caught them on a price mistake, and they honored it for me for a digicam.[/quote]
Trust me Dell has had nortiously bad customer service especially lately. Not to mention using their tech support is like walking into a torture chamber of some kind. If you don't believe me just look at some place like Reseller Ratings.[/quote]
My friend ordered apretty standard computer a little over a month ago and it still hasnt shipped yet, I personally have had really good experiences buying accessories, but I never bought a computer from them, andif I have to get a computer from anyone it probably wont be from them
[quote name='vrs1650'][quote name='SEGA128DC'][quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='vrs1650']Man I agree I can't understand why people hate EA so much, me personallyI hate sega for all the business crap they do. At least EA has the smarts to stay in business.[/quote]
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.[/quote]
Atlus?
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.[/quote]
Atlus?
hutno
CAGiversary!
[quote name='nachzeher'][quote name='vrs1650'][quote name='SEGA128DC'][quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='vrs1650']Man I agree I can't understand why people hate EA so much, me personallyI hate sega for all the business crap they do. At least EA has the smarts to stay in business.[/quote]
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.[/quote]
Atlus?[/quote]
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.[/quote]
Atlus?[/quote]
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
[quote name='vherub']Purely from a business standpoint, the wsj article was a means to a practical end. they have a number of customers who abuse their policies, specials, etc. Those folks who buy up lots of ggc for example or only loss leaders on sales/resell on ebay. And you can see where they are coming from, but they need to find a better means to achieving this end. The trouble is, it is very difficult to separate people, because loyalty needs to be earned, and it is much easier to destroy.
They need to find better ways to stop people from abusing their policies rather than finding better ways to abuse people.[/quote]
Perhaps I can see where they are coming from, but I don't care where they are coming from.
When companies do not make money, they can do several things. Successful business looks at reasons for increased spending or decreased revenue, and develop plans to fix it from within the company.
The poor logic of Best Buy is to blame customers for taking advantage of policies put into place ***BY*** Best Buy. The logic is essentially this: "The customers are assholes because they have continuously taken advantage of our great prices!" They act surprised that customers are intelligent enough to identify and purchase during a sale.
Best Buy controls its prices.
The customers do not control the prices.
Best But is not making enough money (they sure aren't in the red!)
Best Buy blames the customers, who, if you will recall (two sentences ago!) are not the ones in control.
An intelligent company would eliminate items such as GGC, which we have all used to some extent. But they would do it quietly, rather than announce to the world that people who use coupons they made are devils.
Those familiar with the late, great Bill Hicks should remember the bit he did comparing American foreign policy with Jack Palance from the film Shane.
"Pick up the gun..."
myke.
...and while EA makes some pretty fun games (I'm a sucker for 007), they treat their employees miserably. They make millions in excess revenue each year (which they use to purchase studios and licenses), and none of that money is trickling down to the real laborers. Tell that to the supply-side economics lovers.
Over one in every five games sold makes money for EA. That's a bit absurd. I'm going to so my best to avoid EA, even if it means buying a used copy of Goldeneye on the cheap next year.
sigh.
They need to find better ways to stop people from abusing their policies rather than finding better ways to abuse people.[/quote]
Perhaps I can see where they are coming from, but I don't care where they are coming from.
When companies do not make money, they can do several things. Successful business looks at reasons for increased spending or decreased revenue, and develop plans to fix it from within the company.
The poor logic of Best Buy is to blame customers for taking advantage of policies put into place ***BY*** Best Buy. The logic is essentially this: "The customers are assholes because they have continuously taken advantage of our great prices!" They act surprised that customers are intelligent enough to identify and purchase during a sale.
Best Buy controls its prices.
The customers do not control the prices.
Best But is not making enough money (they sure aren't in the red!)
Best Buy blames the customers, who, if you will recall (two sentences ago!) are not the ones in control.
An intelligent company would eliminate items such as GGC, which we have all used to some extent. But they would do it quietly, rather than announce to the world that people who use coupons they made are devils.
Those familiar with the late, great Bill Hicks should remember the bit he did comparing American foreign policy with Jack Palance from the film Shane.
"Pick up the gun..."
myke.
...and while EA makes some pretty fun games (I'm a sucker for 007), they treat their employees miserably. They make millions in excess revenue each year (which they use to purchase studios and licenses), and none of that money is trickling down to the real laborers. Tell that to the supply-side economics lovers.
Over one in every five games sold makes money for EA. That's a bit absurd. I'm going to so my best to avoid EA, even if it means buying a used copy of Goldeneye on the cheap next year.
sigh.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
[quote name='vrs1650'][quote name='SEGA128DC'][quote name='dafoomie'][quote name='vrs1650']Man I agree I can't understand why people hate EA so much, me personallyI hate sega for all the business crap they do. At least EA has the smarts to stay in business.[/quote]
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.[/quote]
This, despite grammatical problems too numerous to mention, is a description of profitable company. Not a good company, a profitable company.
If you want to discuss companies in terms of 'goodness,' you will need to recognize the ethics a company employees in its day to day operations.
Ethics is something EA, according to this class-action lawsuit, is entirely lacking. If you read EA's response, they have not denied the charges are true. They have, instead, denied that the charges are illegal.
If you support slave labor (even if it, technically, *is* middle to upper middle class slave labor), go getcha some Madden. Feel proud on the inside.
myke.
You hate Sega for simply being inept at their business strategy, while making great games? And you love EA for making crappy games, but boatloads of money?[/quote]
I couldn't agree more...[/quote]
Being a good company means having not only good games, but also good business strategy. What is the point of making a good game, that the few "elite" think is good, but the masses don't care or knw about. Yes, you may think these companies make games just for you, but the fact is games are made for the bottom line, cash money. Someone is buying EA's games. Now if you think those people are the mindless masses, guess what. Good compaines aim towards the mindless masses. Simple point. EA aims for the masses, profitable. SEGA aims for the elite, unprofitable. Maybe hate is to strong of a word for sega, pity may be a better description.
It is the same strategy best buy is using, as much as we hate to say it. 20% angels, 60% in the middle and 20% devils. As a business if you hit the 80%, you will be profitable. Is it smart to say, Hell No. But it is good business sense. Honestly, name me one profitable company that is not make decisions that are not based on the bottom line.[/quote]
This, despite grammatical problems too numerous to mention, is a description of profitable company. Not a good company, a profitable company.
If you want to discuss companies in terms of 'goodness,' you will need to recognize the ethics a company employees in its day to day operations.
Ethics is something EA, according to this class-action lawsuit, is entirely lacking. If you read EA's response, they have not denied the charges are true. They have, instead, denied that the charges are illegal.
If you support slave labor (even if it, technically, *is* middle to upper middle class slave labor), go getcha some Madden. Feel proud on the inside.
myke.
jmcc
CAGiversary!
Please. I feel for the programmers, but it's not slave labor. They're free to leave any time they want and if enough of them do then they'll get response from EA. Sure, it's prickish of EA to treat them that way, but if the programmers keep lining up to get kicked in the junk by them and it makes billions of dollars, it's hardly some great injustice.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
I don't know what the market is like from the inside; I imagine that it is very difficult to gain full-time employment. That can make a big difference for some; work for peanuts or don't work?
There is also a prestige factor involved in working for the biggest software company.
Despite that, I agree: that was a poor choice of words on my part.
There is also a prestige factor involved in working for the biggest software company.
Despite that, I agree: that was a poor choice of words on my part.
hutno
CAGiversary!
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't know what the market is like from the inside; I imagine that it is very difficult to gain full-time employment. That can make a big difference for some; work for peanuts or don't work?
There is also a prestige factor involved in working for the biggest software company.[/quote]
Prestiege doesnt do a lot of good when you never have any free time to relate to other people
There is also a prestige factor involved in working for the biggest software company.[/quote]
Prestiege doesnt do a lot of good when you never have any free time to relate to other people
LOL go buy madden if you support slave labor. Thats an aweful thing to say. Name me one job that doesnt push their workers to the limit as much as they can without raising pay? None! If you arent your own boss anyone could say work is slave work. Sure EA has had those suits but you dont work there. Ive read interviews of people from Tiburon and i dont hear complaining. Not everyone is sick of working at EA or buying from them.
Same goes for Best Buy. I worked at Best Buy for a year(call me biased) but it was a great job and regardless of what you think, they do push putting the customer first. Some employees will take it as bull crap and do whatever they please but others like me took it seriously. Dont ever compare walmart to best buy. Every walmart i been to is full of people who dont say hi, dont care that you are there and the place just seems dirty =/. Sure Best Buy was stupid for doing it but when Toys R Us starts getting rid of the devils that take advantage of the Buy2get1 then they will be called asshats as well.
I dont care if you all flame me for being different but I dont hate companies out to make money because thats what every company does whether they show it or not.
Same goes for Best Buy. I worked at Best Buy for a year(call me biased) but it was a great job and regardless of what you think, they do push putting the customer first. Some employees will take it as bull crap and do whatever they please but others like me took it seriously. Dont ever compare walmart to best buy. Every walmart i been to is full of people who dont say hi, dont care that you are there and the place just seems dirty =/. Sure Best Buy was stupid for doing it but when Toys R Us starts getting rid of the devils that take advantage of the Buy2get1 then they will be called asshats as well.
I dont care if you all flame me for being different but I dont hate companies out to make money because thats what every company does whether they show it or not.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
CostCo: They make money, so they fulfill your argument.
They also pissed off almost all of their shareholders. The shareholders tried to convince the executives to reduce the wages they paid to employees in order to increase overall revenue (and thus increase the stock value and dividend checks sent out).
Let me repeat this: Shareholders (who do no work) attempted to get a company to pay the laborers (who do work) less in order to give more to the shareholders (who, again, don't work).
CostCo execs said no way. Shareholders think they are irresponsible b/c they pay their employees more than the average retail jobs.
The point I was making (if you read a bit more, you would have noticed that I agreed that calling it slave labor is a bit much), was that EA makes a ton of money every year.
Hundereds of millions.
This is above and beyond the cost of running all (again, all means every) of EA's day to day operations.
Advertising.
Programming.
Manufacturing.
Toilet Paper and Long Distance Phone Calls.
Everything.
After taking that into account, they still make hundreds of millions per year. If you think that it is perfectly fine for EA to not pay the wages of the laborers who helped make EA a
load of money, for hours they have in fact worked, then you are the worst sort of capitalist. If you think that, you are even denying the basic tenets of supply-side economics; you are going so far as to say "to hell with the worker, I'm making as much as I can off their back and I don't care."
I already mentioned that I do not disagree with the fact that all companies make money. I do take issue with a company that makes money and does not provide their employees with an hourly wage.
What don't you understand about EA workers not getting paid for any hours they work over 40 per week? If you had to spend 10 hours a day (or more), six days a week making sure the shelves were stocked with Friends box set videos for the idiot masses, and only received your hourly wage for 40 hours, wouldn't ***you*** be a bit angry? I'll bet not; since you seem to have no issue with taking advantage of workers, you (hopefully) would respect and even admire the very persons who would be exploiting you.
And you are biased.
myke.
They also pissed off almost all of their shareholders. The shareholders tried to convince the executives to reduce the wages they paid to employees in order to increase overall revenue (and thus increase the stock value and dividend checks sent out).
Let me repeat this: Shareholders (who do no work) attempted to get a company to pay the laborers (who do work) less in order to give more to the shareholders (who, again, don't work).
CostCo execs said no way. Shareholders think they are irresponsible b/c they pay their employees more than the average retail jobs.
The point I was making (if you read a bit more, you would have noticed that I agreed that calling it slave labor is a bit much), was that EA makes a ton of money every year.
Hundereds of millions.
This is above and beyond the cost of running all (again, all means every) of EA's day to day operations.
Advertising.
Programming.
Manufacturing.
Toilet Paper and Long Distance Phone Calls.
Everything.
After taking that into account, they still make hundreds of millions per year. If you think that it is perfectly fine for EA to not pay the wages of the laborers who helped make EA a
load of money, for hours they have in fact worked, then you are the worst sort of capitalist. If you think that, you are even denying the basic tenets of supply-side economics; you are going so far as to say "to hell with the worker, I'm making as much as I can off their back and I don't care."I already mentioned that I do not disagree with the fact that all companies make money. I do take issue with a company that makes money and does not provide their employees with an hourly wage.
What don't you understand about EA workers not getting paid for any hours they work over 40 per week? If you had to spend 10 hours a day (or more), six days a week making sure the shelves were stocked with Friends box set videos for the idiot masses, and only received your hourly wage for 40 hours, wouldn't ***you*** be a bit angry? I'll bet not; since you seem to have no issue with taking advantage of workers, you (hopefully) would respect and even admire the very persons who would be exploiting you.
And you are biased.
myke.
jmcc
CAGiversary!
It's bad they don't get paid for the hours they work, but you know what? That's completely their problem and it's up to them to fix, either through forming some kind of union or by litigating. The consumer isn't responsible for trying to stop the voluntary abuse workers take from an employer. EA games are still fun for the most part and that's all that matters.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
[quote name='jmcc']It's bad they don't get paid for the hours they work, but you know what? That's completely their problem and it's up to them to fix, either through forming some kind of union or by litigating. The consumer isn't responsible for trying to stop the voluntary abuse workers take from an employer. EA games are still fun for the most part and that's all that matters.[/quote]
An informed consumer *is* responsible, but, evidently, I'm not going to be capable of convincing you of that.
I enjoy EA's games; I'm not here to dispute one company's fun factor.
I'm simply saying that, if you know of overt practices to mistreat or exploit employees, you are, in part responsible if you continue to support the company and assume that it's someone else's problem.
We all know that employees are stronger than companies, of course. [/sarcasm]
An informed consumer *is* responsible, but, evidently, I'm not going to be capable of convincing you of that.
I enjoy EA's games; I'm not here to dispute one company's fun factor.
I'm simply saying that, if you know of overt practices to mistreat or exploit employees, you are, in part responsible if you continue to support the company and assume that it's someone else's problem.
We all know that employees are stronger than companies, of course. [/sarcasm]
spyhunterk19
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 3 (100%)
I own a dell, and I've had nothing but great service from them. Again thats just MY experience with them. Every retail company has different stories and different experiences. Ever notice how everyone's feeling toward companies is different. I hear WAY more negative comments about BB than I do about Dell.
jmcc
CAGiversary!
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='jmcc']It's bad they don't get paid for the hours they work, but you know what? That's completely their problem and it's up to them to fix, either through forming some kind of union or by litigating. The consumer isn't responsible for trying to stop the voluntary abuse workers take from an employer. EA games are still fun for the most part and that's all that matters.[/quote]
An informed consumer *is* responsible, but, evidently, I'm not going to be capable of convincing you of that.
I enjoy EA's games; I'm not here to dispute one company's fun factor.
I'm simply saying that, if you know of overt practices to mistreat or exploit employees, you are, in part responsible if you continue to support the company and assume that it's someone else's problem.
We all know that employees are stronger than companies, of course. [/sarcasm][/quote]
Has EA done anything illegal to the employees? You keep avoiding it but I'll keep stating it: it's bad that they treat their programmers that way, but they're free to leave any time they want and go work for another company. If enough employees do that then EA will be forced to change their business practices. It checks and balances just fine without people doing something so useless, er, "responsible" as boycotting the company or, worse, using it as an excuse to complain at length about EA when the real reason you're mad at them is because one of their franchises outsold your favorite niche title by an order of magnitude.
An informed consumer *is* responsible, but, evidently, I'm not going to be capable of convincing you of that.
I enjoy EA's games; I'm not here to dispute one company's fun factor.
I'm simply saying that, if you know of overt practices to mistreat or exploit employees, you are, in part responsible if you continue to support the company and assume that it's someone else's problem.
We all know that employees are stronger than companies, of course. [/sarcasm][/quote]
Has EA done anything illegal to the employees? You keep avoiding it but I'll keep stating it: it's bad that they treat their programmers that way, but they're free to leave any time they want and go work for another company. If enough employees do that then EA will be forced to change their business practices. It checks and balances just fine without people doing something so useless, er, "responsible" as boycotting the company or, worse, using it as an excuse to complain at length about EA when the real reason you're mad at them is because one of their franchises outsold your favorite niche title by an order of magnitude.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
[quote name='jmcc']Has EA done anything illegal to the employees? You keep avoiding it but I'll keep stating it: it's bad that they treat their programmers that way, but they're free to leave any time they want and go work for another company. If enough employees do that then EA will be forced to change their business practices. It checks and balances just fine without people doing something so useless, er, "responsible" as boycotting the company or, worse, using it as an excuse to complain at length about EA when the real reason you're mad at them is because one of their franchises outsold your favorite niche title by an order of magnitude.[/quote]
and that title is...? b/c I have no idea.
I've not avoided your point; you seem to think that there is an abundance of jobs available for people in this economy, that people can simply leave one job and transition to another so simply. I'm afraid that is just not the case. I'll be glad to provide some research showing that, but I will do it tomorrow, for it is time for the Daily Show.
myke.
...don't even get my PC ass started on the lack of taste shown in those who so flippantly use terms such as "retarded" (and I'm not referring to you, jmcc).
and that title is...? b/c I have no idea.
I've not avoided your point; you seem to think that there is an abundance of jobs available for people in this economy, that people can simply leave one job and transition to another so simply. I'm afraid that is just not the case. I'll be glad to provide some research showing that, but I will do it tomorrow, for it is time for the Daily Show.
myke.
...don't even get my PC ass started on the lack of taste shown in those who so flippantly use terms such as "retarded" (and I'm not referring to you, jmcc).
vrs1650
CAGiversary!
Sorry about my grammar mykevermin. In too much of a rush to worry about that. Next time I get graded on my internet posts or my pay is based on my internet grammar, I will be more careful.
Now based on my limited knowledge, how many Fortune 500 companies try to get as much out of there employees without equal compensation? Most of them. Yes, there are some don't but the majority do. That is how business is. Is it illegal, no. Is it unethical, that is up to an individual to decide. Personally I would say no, but judging by your posts, you would say yes. Ok we disagree.
Now the next question, I head Southwest Airlines treats employees bad. Guess I won't fly them because I am supporting slave labor. Nike, can't wear them look at what they do to the overseas workers. Shouldn't buy from any company that outsourced to a foreign country, that is wrong. The list goes on and on. Now if that is what you believe, that is good for you. I look at it from a different point of view.
Now based on my limited knowledge, how many Fortune 500 companies try to get as much out of there employees without equal compensation? Most of them. Yes, there are some don't but the majority do. That is how business is. Is it illegal, no. Is it unethical, that is up to an individual to decide. Personally I would say no, but judging by your posts, you would say yes. Ok we disagree.
Now the next question, I head Southwest Airlines treats employees bad. Guess I won't fly them because I am supporting slave labor. Nike, can't wear them look at what they do to the overseas workers. Shouldn't buy from any company that outsourced to a foreign country, that is wrong. The list goes on and on. Now if that is what you believe, that is good for you. I look at it from a different point of view.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
[quote name='vrs1650']I look at it from a different point of view.[/quote]
The way I interpret your point of view is this: it is not my responsibility as a consumer to inform myself of the business practices of companies whose products I buy.
For the record, no, I do not purchase Nike (or Converse, for that matter). I don't want to think that people would be indifferent to me if I were to be working in a terrible environment, so I attempt to reciprocate that attitude.
myke.
The way I interpret your point of view is this: it is not my responsibility as a consumer to inform myself of the business practices of companies whose products I buy.
For the record, no, I do not purchase Nike (or Converse, for that matter). I don't want to think that people would be indifferent to me if I were to be working in a terrible environment, so I attempt to reciprocate that attitude.
myke.
jmcc
CAGiversary!
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='vrs1650']I look at it from a different point of view.[/quote]
The way I interpret your point of view is this: it is not my responsibility as a consumer to inform myself of the business practices of companies whose products I buy.
For the record, no, I do not purchase Nike (or Converse, for that matter). I don't want to think that people would be indifferent to me if I were to be working in a terrible environment, so I attempt to reciprocate that attitude.
myke.[/quote]
There's no ethical conflict unless the workers are forced into working there or there's no recourse for them to fight back with, neither of which apply in the EA case, so it's not the consumer's responsibility. If you want to be upset about it that's fine, but there are probably other actual labor problems you could turn your energy to.
The way I interpret your point of view is this: it is not my responsibility as a consumer to inform myself of the business practices of companies whose products I buy.
For the record, no, I do not purchase Nike (or Converse, for that matter). I don't want to think that people would be indifferent to me if I were to be working in a terrible environment, so I attempt to reciprocate that attitude.
myke.[/quote]
There's no ethical conflict unless the workers are forced into working there or there's no recourse for them to fight back with, neither of which apply in the EA case, so it's not the consumer's responsibility. If you want to be upset about it that's fine, but there are probably other actual labor problems you could turn your energy to.
mykevermin
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 34 (97%)
[quote name='jmcc']but there are probably other actual labor problems you could turn your energy to.[/quote]
I think I may have to agree with you for once. It's not as if real sweatshop employees can afford to litigate the wat EA employees do.
In general, I think it's dreadful that some people just don't seem to care if companies treat workers miserably. But you are absolutely right, there are much, much worse human rights violations occurring everyday.
myke.
I think I may have to agree with you for once. It's not as if real sweatshop employees can afford to litigate the wat EA employees do.
In general, I think it's dreadful that some people just don't seem to care if companies treat workers miserably. But you are absolutely right, there are much, much worse human rights violations occurring everyday.
myke.
A
Apossum
Guest
Two reasons why i hate EA:
1. They bank on their sports titles that barely change from year to year and their games are just not that innovative...not too mention they put their EA logo over EVERYTHING and barely give the developers any credit. I think they are the Wal-Mart of the game industry--putting all the small developers on hot coals. It's companies like them that are going to homogenize the game industry.
2. Wait....EA games are made in a sweatshop too? White collar slavery? wtf is that?. looks like people were already discussing this while i was slowly typing my post.
Yeah, folks have a choice whether they want to work there or not, but it sounds like they are treated like shit.
1. They bank on their sports titles that barely change from year to year and their games are just not that innovative...not too mention they put their EA logo over EVERYTHING and barely give the developers any credit. I think they are the Wal-Mart of the game industry--putting all the small developers on hot coals. It's companies like them that are going to homogenize the game industry.
2. Wait....EA games are made in a sweatshop too? White collar slavery? wtf is that?. looks like people were already discussing this while i was slowly typing my post.
Yeah, folks have a choice whether they want to work there or not, but it sounds like they are treated like shit.
A
Apossum
Guest
whoops 
a johnny come lately is me. I really didn't have time to read all four pages....
a johnny come lately is me. I really didn't have time to read all four pages....
[quote name='int80h']
don't forget walmart[/quote]
Whats wrong with them again?
They are so huge they havent let it get to their heads and started overcharging like both BEst Buy and EA have done.
No instead they undercharge whcih helps us cheapasses and then they get stupid ass comments like this... Or are you from a union?
don't forget walmart[/quote]
Whats wrong with them again?
They are so huge they havent let it get to their heads and started overcharging like both BEst Buy and EA have done.
No instead they undercharge whcih helps us cheapasses and then they get stupid ass comments like this... Or are you from a union?
[quote name='greendj27']If EA is making such crappy games, then why are they selling so well? They must be doing something right with their games.[/quote]
The only people I know that would make a comment like this is a non gamer. EA is not that great of a developer, even though they do know how to run a profitable business.
They are hurting gamers chances of getting originality. Thats the main reason I personally dislike them.
The only people I know that would make a comment like this is a non gamer. EA is not that great of a developer, even though they do know how to run a profitable business.
They are hurting gamers chances of getting originality. Thats the main reason I personally dislike them.
[quote name='jmcc']Please. I feel for the programmers, but it's not slave labor. They're free to leave any time they want and if enough of them do then they'll get response from EA. Sure, it's prickish of EA to treat them that way, but if the programmers keep lining up to get kicked in the junk by them and it makes billions of dollars, it's hardly some great injustice.[/quote]
Let me use this same theory on a current issue in my life...
Smoking. The companies made billions and in say the 60'- 80's when lots of people got hooked. The companies didnt tell anyone it was bad or that as a grandfather at age 60, he would be diagnosed with a terminal cancer.
So just because people got hooked or thought it was a cool "harmless" drug and kept doing it the companies didnt do any injustice, by killing millions of people. And hurting all their families in the process. Funny how I would disagree with you there.
Let me use this same theory on a current issue in my life...
Smoking. The companies made billions and in say the 60'- 80's when lots of people got hooked. The companies didnt tell anyone it was bad or that as a grandfather at age 60, he would be diagnosed with a terminal cancer.
So just because people got hooked or thought it was a cool "harmless" drug and kept doing it the companies didnt do any injustice, by killing millions of people. And hurting all their families in the process. Funny how I would disagree with you there.
[quote name='Weedy649']LOL go buy madden if you support slave labor. Thats an aweful thing to say. Name me one job that doesnt push their workers to the limit as much as they can without raising pay? None! If you arent your own boss anyone could say work is slave work. Sure EA has had those suits but you dont work there. Ive read interviews of people from Tiburon and i dont hear complaining. Not everyone is sick of working at EA or buying from them.
Same goes for Best Buy. I worked at Best Buy for a year(call me biased) but it was a great job and regardless of what you think, they do push putting the customer first. Some employees will take it as bull crap and do whatever they please but others like me took it seriously. Dont ever compare walmart to best buy. Every walmart i been to is full of people who dont say hi, dont care that you are there and the place just seems dirty =/. Sure Best Buy was stupid for doing it but when Toys R Us starts getting rid of the devils that take advantage of the Buy2get1 then they will be called asshats as well.
I dont care if you all flame me for being different but I dont hate companies out to make money because thats what every company does whether they show it or not.[/quote]
let me ask you this.
My wife WAS a manager at Best Buy and now she is a manager at Sams Club.
During her training they taught her to "hang up on customers" if they say something the employee doesnt like or raise their voice at all. Or if they disagree while in the store at all to call security to have them escorted out.
This is in training mind you, and the reason the employee is allowed to hang up on customers is because Best Buy "has no real competition and the customers will come back regardless"
I shit you not. She was blown away when she came home and had heard that not only from the managers but on the training info. This was within the past 3 years.
On the other hand walmart is about customer service I could tell you story after story but I wont. The reason i assume its dirty and "unfriendly" is because the people dont make as much as they do at say Best Buy so they have less of a reason to be enthuised. The reason they make less is due to the lower costs. etc.
Regardless your right. Best Buy isnt comparible to Walmart in my book and thats not a compliment to Best Buy.
Same goes for Best Buy. I worked at Best Buy for a year(call me biased) but it was a great job and regardless of what you think, they do push putting the customer first. Some employees will take it as bull crap and do whatever they please but others like me took it seriously. Dont ever compare walmart to best buy. Every walmart i been to is full of people who dont say hi, dont care that you are there and the place just seems dirty =/. Sure Best Buy was stupid for doing it but when Toys R Us starts getting rid of the devils that take advantage of the Buy2get1 then they will be called asshats as well.
I dont care if you all flame me for being different but I dont hate companies out to make money because thats what every company does whether they show it or not.[/quote]
let me ask you this.
My wife WAS a manager at Best Buy and now she is a manager at Sams Club.
During her training they taught her to "hang up on customers" if they say something the employee doesnt like or raise their voice at all. Or if they disagree while in the store at all to call security to have them escorted out.
This is in training mind you, and the reason the employee is allowed to hang up on customers is because Best Buy "has no real competition and the customers will come back regardless"
I shit you not. She was blown away when she came home and had heard that not only from the managers but on the training info. This was within the past 3 years.
On the other hand walmart is about customer service I could tell you story after story but I wont. The reason i assume its dirty and "unfriendly" is because the people dont make as much as they do at say Best Buy so they have less of a reason to be enthuised. The reason they make less is due to the lower costs. etc.
Regardless your right. Best Buy isnt comparible to Walmart in my book and thats not a compliment to Best Buy.
shrike4242
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 1043 (100%)
I have to give Dell some serious props for going after another retailer's discarded customer base, and do it from a non-retail presence position.
Dell is working their way into many of the aspects of the electronics business and I give them props for diversifying as well as they have.
I have a Dell machine and have dealt with many aspects of their customer service, and for the most part, they're pretty good. Not perfect, not horrible, but sure as heck better than BB.
And I love the ad. Sorry I don't have a print copy of it.
Dell is working their way into many of the aspects of the electronics business and I give them props for diversifying as well as they have.
I have a Dell machine and have dealt with many aspects of their customer service, and for the most part, they're pretty good. Not perfect, not horrible, but sure as heck better than BB.
And I love the ad. Sorry I don't have a print copy of it.
Medium_Pimpin
CAGiversary!
Wow, this post went from awesome to gamefaqs in about 5 posts.
On topic: Go dell!
Note to above user: Nice Pic! I picked mine because i know all the characters well enuff to play him and win. My friend thinks Edge Master is cheesy and cheap.
On topic: Go dell!
Note to above user: Nice Pic! I picked mine because i know all the characters well enuff to play him and win. My friend thinks Edge Master is cheesy and cheap.
shrike4242
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 1043 (100%)
[quote name='Medium_Pimpin']Wow, this post went from awesome to gamefaqs in about 5 posts.
On topic: Go dell!
Note to above user: Nice Pic! I picked mine because i know all the characters well enuff to play him and win. My friend thinks Edge Master is cheesy and cheap.[/quote]
Soul Calibur was the first game I bought for my DC and the only one I played for the first six months of owning it. Learned very quickly how good Kilik is and how to use him to get through the game. Same case for SC II as well.
And yes, I agree, Edge Master is the supreme cheesemeister.
On topic: Go dell!
Note to above user: Nice Pic! I picked mine because i know all the characters well enuff to play him and win. My friend thinks Edge Master is cheesy and cheap.[/quote]
Soul Calibur was the first game I bought for my DC and the only one I played for the first six months of owning it. Learned very quickly how good Kilik is and how to use him to get through the game. Same case for SC II as well.
And yes, I agree, Edge Master is the supreme cheesemeister.
[quote name='Snake2715'][quote name='int80h']
don't forget walmart[/quote]
Whats wrong with them again?
They are so huge they havent let it get to their heads and started overcharging like both BEst Buy and EA have done.
No instead they undercharge whcih helps us cheapasses and then they get stupid ass comments like this... Or are you from a union?[/quote]
Thank you!Who do you guys think creates at least 80% of the deals you bastards get?WM does in an indirect way.Retail store must compete and one way they do this is move the old inventory fast.WM creates this.
Not to add the fact that WM is the reason inflation is soooo low.
don't forget walmart[/quote]
Whats wrong with them again?
They are so huge they havent let it get to their heads and started overcharging like both BEst Buy and EA have done.
No instead they undercharge whcih helps us cheapasses and then they get stupid ass comments like this... Or are you from a union?[/quote]
Thank you!Who do you guys think creates at least 80% of the deals you bastards get?WM does in an indirect way.Retail store must compete and one way they do this is move the old inventory fast.WM creates this.
Not to add the fact that WM is the reason inflation is soooo low.
willardhaven
CAGiversary!
- Feedback
- 12 (100%)
I'm glad Dell is punishing Bestbuy... I think BB's policy is completely ridiculous.
A
Apossum
Guest
Nice move on Dell's part...but it's not like they would stay "all for the people" if they got big enough. I just hate all corporations these days, their whole facade is transparent. I fear that over the course of the next 30 years or so, corporations will slowly gain more political ground behind the scenes, enough so that they could be out in the open with it, and cause lots of problems...the least of which will be the genocide of small businesses.
But hey as long as we get cheap shit NOW, who cares RIGHT?
(Edit: i'm trying to make up for my part of turning this into a gamefaqs thread lol)
But hey as long as we get cheap shit NOW, who cares RIGHT?
(Edit: i'm trying to make up for my part of turning this into a gamefaqs thread lol)
Kilik was my Fav!
I don't like Dell's products but I do give them respect for their ad.
To Bestbuy I hope they see the err in their statement, I don't think this kind of stuff is boding well with the execs of the company, they should have just adpoted strategies to weed out the "devils" without coming out and saying publicly that they are labeling their customers according to how gullible they are.
I worked at Blockbuster where the management was very similar to what Bestbuy has been doing as of late, as an employee I abosultely hated the way it shaped us into robots, I could also see from a consumers point of view how impersonal it made the whole shopping experience.
The EA issue is disheartening because the company is so damn big, it's a shame to read about how some of their divisions are managed and what they won't do for their employees. Yeah, it's their choice to stay with EA but these are people who make their living on programming, the games industry is very cut-throat, it's easy to fail and even easier to get cut. I have read somewhere that groups of employees are actually filing for a class action suit against EA regarding the unpaid overtime for working hellishly long hours. I'm sure the oppressive treatment and heartless management could help in their favor also.
I don't like Dell's products but I do give them respect for their ad.
To Bestbuy I hope they see the err in their statement, I don't think this kind of stuff is boding well with the execs of the company, they should have just adpoted strategies to weed out the "devils" without coming out and saying publicly that they are labeling their customers according to how gullible they are.
I worked at Blockbuster where the management was very similar to what Bestbuy has been doing as of late, as an employee I abosultely hated the way it shaped us into robots, I could also see from a consumers point of view how impersonal it made the whole shopping experience.
The EA issue is disheartening because the company is so damn big, it's a shame to read about how some of their divisions are managed and what they won't do for their employees. Yeah, it's their choice to stay with EA but these are people who make their living on programming, the games industry is very cut-throat, it's easy to fail and even easier to get cut. I have read somewhere that groups of employees are actually filing for a class action suit against EA regarding the unpaid overtime for working hellishly long hours. I'm sure the oppressive treatment and heartless management could help in their favor also.
Medium_Pimpin
CAGiversary!
[quote name='shrike4242'][quote name='Medium_Pimpin']Wow, this post went from awesome to gamefaqs in about 5 posts.
On topic: Go dell!
Note to above user: Nice Pic! I picked mine because i know all the characters well enuff to play him and win. My friend thinks Edge Master is cheesy and cheap.[/quote]
Soul Calibur was the first game I bought for my DC and the only one I played for the first six months of owning it. Learned very quickly how good Kilik is and how to use him to get through the game. Same case for SC II as well.
And yes, I agree, Edge Master is the supreme cheesemeister.[/quote]
Can you give me a solid reason why he's cheesy? Is he banned from tournament play, or used frequently by pro's? Somehow i doubt it.
On topic: Go dell!
Note to above user: Nice Pic! I picked mine because i know all the characters well enuff to play him and win. My friend thinks Edge Master is cheesy and cheap.[/quote]
Soul Calibur was the first game I bought for my DC and the only one I played for the first six months of owning it. Learned very quickly how good Kilik is and how to use him to get through the game. Same case for SC II as well.
And yes, I agree, Edge Master is the supreme cheesemeister.[/quote]
Can you give me a solid reason why he's cheesy? Is he banned from tournament play, or used frequently by pro's? Somehow i doubt it.
bread's done