Democrats to Propose Vote of No Confidence in Rumsfeld on Wednesday

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So that's the word on the street. Hope they didn't steal it from the Republicans, like George Allen did today by plagiarzing a bill Dick Durbin was to introduce:

Candidates of Both Parties Turn Criticism of Rumsfeld Into Political Chorus
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, Sept. 5 — Democrats and at least some Republicans appear to agree on one thing as the election approaches: Attacking Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is a way to lift them to victory.

For Democrats, the calculation is clear. They have begun a concerted effort, including pressing for a no-confidence vote on Mr. Rumsfeld in Congress this week, to portray him as the embodiment of what has gone wrong in Iraq.

For a small but growing number of Republicans, attacking Mr. Rumsfeld is a way to criticize how the war has been conducted without turning against the war itself.

“If I had my way, he wouldn’t be secretary of defense now,” Mike McGavick, the Republican challenger to Senator Maria Cantwell, Democrat of Washington, said in an interview Tuesday. “I would have accepted his resignation after Abu Ghraib. I have lost confidence in him.”

Politically at least, it may not be in the interest of any of Mr. Rumsfeld’s critics for the defense secretary to vacate his post before Election Day. But with the White House insisting again on Tuesday that the president would not abandon his secretary of defense, it seems clear that Mr. Rumsfeld is destined to be as big a player in this fall campaign as many of the members of Congress who are actually on the ballot.

“Both hawks and doves can call for Rumsfeld to step down and still be consistent with their position,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the head of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. “It applies to both parties.”

“It’s really a free shot for Republicans,” said Rich Galen, a Republican consultant who worked as a civilian employee for the Defense Department in Iraq. “You can be in favor of what we are trying to accomplish in Iraq and not be in favor of Rumsfeld.”

Democratic strategists said the party had long planned to use Mr. Rumsfeld in the campaign as a symbol of a war gone wrong, including incorporating him into advertising and having candidates call on him to resign. But they said the effort gathered force after he gave a speech last week in which he appeared to compare Iraq war critics to Nazi appeasers before World War II.

“It’s a great issue,” said Howard Wolfson, a Democratic consultant who is advising Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as well as Democrats in two upstate New York districts whose advertisements have included challenges to the war in Iraq. “It forces the stay-the-course Republicans to chose between the president and their districts.”

Representative Rahm Emanuel, the Illinois Democrat who is leading his party’s effort to take back the House, said, “We are going to go after Rumsfeld.”

For Republicans, this is slightly more difficult because the White House made clear that President Bush supports Mr. Rumsfeld and that he is not going anywhere any time soon.

“The president strongly supports the defense secretary,” said Tony Snow, the White House spokesman, rebutting the Democratic call for Mr. Rumsfeld’s ouster. “It’s not going to happen. Creating Don Rumsfeld as a boogeyman may make for good politics but would make for very lousy strategy at this time.”

But to varying degrees and volume, Republicans have been critical of Mr. Rumsfeld — who had surgery on his left shoulder Tuesday to repair a torn rotator cuff — and strategists for both parties said that was a trend that was likely to increase over the next few weeks.

Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, a Republican who is struggling to win re-election in the face of attacks on his support for the war, said Tuesday that he would support a vote against Mr. Rumsfeld in the House, should it come up.

“I don’t like the guy — I simply don’t think he has measured up on running the war in Iraq,” Mr. Shays said. “Would I vote for a no-confidence resolution on Secretary Rumsfeld? Yes.”

Representative Jo Ann Davis, Republican of Virginia, also criticized Mr. Rumsfeld in a speech in mid-August.

“It’s probably the only thing in my life I’ve ever agreed with Hillary Clinton about,” she said. “He’s probably a nice guy, but I don’t think he’s a great secretary of defense.”

Thomas H. Kean Jr., the Republican candidate for Senate in New Jersey, called for Mr. Rumsfeld to step aside. At a debate in Ohio, Senator Mike DeWine, a Republican struggling to win re-election, declared, “I have consistently said that Donald Rumsfeld has made mistakes running this war.”

Republicans in Congress said they were confident they could block a Democratic plan to force no-confidence votes on Mr. Rumsfeld and the administration’s national security policies on Wednesday. The legislative maneuvering is intended to force Republicans facing tough election battles to either break with the White House or join the wave of criticism for Mr. Rumsfeld and his management of the war.

A no-confidence vote in the Senate could be a problem for Republicans in tough races like those of Mr. DeWine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Jim Talent of Missouri. Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader, accused Democrats of playing a “pure political game.”

Some Republicans in tough races have stuck by the defense secretary. In a television debate on the NBC program “Meet the Press” on Sunday, Senator Rick Santorum, Republican of Pennsylvania, offered his full support for Mr. Rumsfeld, a statement that Senate Democrats instantly highlighted in e-mail messages sent to reporters.

Even if Mr. Frist succeeds in stopping a vote, Democrats clearly intend to make Mr. Rumsfeld a central star of their campaign. Democrats said his speech last week had the effect of firing up the campaign; Mr. Emanuel said moderate Democrats who may have had apprehensions about going after Mr. Rumsfeld lost their concern after reading his remarks.

From Connecticut to Colorado, Democratic candidates for the House have either criticized Mr. Rumsfeld or urged his removal. Democratic candidates for Senate in Rhode Island, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Arizona, among others, have assailed him.

“I’ve talked it over with most of our candidates, and the majority, if they haven’t already, will call on him to step down,” Senator Schumer said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/washington/06rumsfeld.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The critical point here is that one can support the war in Iraq and express disappointment and frustration in those decisionmakers behind it. Besides ignoring requested troop numbers, underarming the troops there, Abu Ghraib, secret torture camps, and renditioning captives to countries who are known human rights violators, there's also the unwillingness of Rumsfeld to acknowledge the presence of an insurgency for years, and the outright denial of a civil war. While I don't give all of the blame to Rumsfeld, clearly he's in a position in which it is his obligation and duty to not fuck things up as royally as he has. For this, he should step down.

Republican candidates this year even admit as much (though, clearly, for their own political gain).
 
But I thought it was all Bush's fault? I guess the democrats were wrong again, or are they just doing this for political gain like their motivation for all their other behavior ?

-"Shit, Tom, all that venting anger against Bush isn't getting us anywhere anymore. What can we do about it?"

-"Well, Dick, you can start campaigning against all the other members of the administration -- like Carl Rove!"

-"That didn't get us anywhere either, Tom, got anything else? Condi's Black, a woman, and she's smarter than us, so we can't go there. Powell's out and No one really gives a crap about Cheney."

"How about another attack on Rummy? He's always good for some milage for at least a few weeks. By that time we may hit that nice round 3000 dead number and ride it into November!"

"Thanks, Dick, let's just hope we don't climax too early."
 
[quote name='bmulligan']But I thought it was all Bush's fault? I guess the democrats were wrong again, or are they just doing this for political gain like their motivation for all their other behavior ?

-"Shit, Tom, all that venting anger against Bush isn't getting us anywhere anymore. What can we do about it?"

-"Well, Dick, you can start campaigning against all the other members of the administration -- like Carl Rove!"

-"That didn't get us anywhere either, Tom, got anything else? Condi's Black, a woman, and she's smarter than us, so we can't go there. Powell's out and No one really gives a crap about Cheney."

"How about another attack on Rummy? He's always good for some milage for at least a few weeks. By that time we may hit that nice round 3000 dead number and ride it into November!"

"Thanks, Dick, let's just hope we don't climax too early."[/QUOTE]

Replace 'democrats' with 'politicians' and you've just summed up our last 170 years of US History.

Am I alone in thinking we'd be better off if the true spirit of Congress was back? No more career politicians?
 
While I'd like to see term limits imposed, I suppose I can't help but be surprised that it's bumilligan with the straw man that takes the topic off track with the very first post.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']But I thought it was all Bush's fault? I guess the democrats were wrong again, or are they just doing this for political gain like their motivation for all their other behavior?[/QUOTE]

Amen! I can't believe the nerve of those liberal partisan hacks like Trent Lott, calling for Rumsfeld to resign! And don't get me started about that last bastion of lie-beral thinking: the US military. That six -- count them, SIX -- retired generals called for ol' Rummy to resign for poor war planning is a sign that the whole of the Armed Forces is just rife with traitors. That people have been calling on Rummy to resign since 2004 just goes to show how far in advance these "intellectuals" plan.

Yeah, it's always been about Bush, and now that he's iron-clad with those skyhigh approval ratings, they're just looking to bring conservatives down out of spite.
 
That much is obvious, trq and David. bmulligan genuinely is a smart guy, which is why it's so much more disappointing when I see posts like his above. I know he's capable (and probably has) some genuinely interesting feelings on this, whether or not we agree on it.

Feigning outrage and putting up strawmen is fine for the average plebian; it's bothersome when you *know* it's from someone who is capable of better.
 
[quote name='trq']Amen! I can't believe the nerve of those liberal partisan hacks like Trent Lott, calling for Rumsfeld to resign! And don't get me started about that last bastion of lie-beral thinking: the US military. That six -- count them, SIX -- retired generals called for ol' Rummy to resign for poor war planning is a sign that the whole of the Armed Forces is just rife with traitors. That people have been calling on Rummy to resign since 2004 just goes to show how far in advance these "intellectuals" plan.

Yeah, it's always been about Bush, and now that he's iron-clad with those skyhigh approval ratings, they're just looking to bring conservatives down out of spite.[/QUOTE]

complete ownage
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That much is obvious, trq and David. bmulligan genuinely is a smart guy, which is why it's so much more disappointing when I see posts like his above. I know he's capable (and probably has) some genuinely interesting feelings on this, whether or not we agree on it.

Feigning outrage and putting up strawmen is fine for the average plebian; it's bothersome when you *know* it's from someone who is capable of better.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's weird, but I noticed that, too. I know I've seen some well put-together posts from bmulligan, but between this one and the one over in the Armitage/Plame thread ... it's like schuerm26 has been lowering the bar for our more conservative friends lately.

Guess I can't be too hard on anyone feigning outrage, though, considering my post.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That much is obvious, trq and David. bmulligan genuinely is a smart guy, which is why it's so much more disappointing when I see posts like his above. I know he's capable (and probably has) some genuinely interesting feelings on this, whether or not we agree on it.

Feigning outrage and putting up strawmen is fine for the average plebian; it's bothersome when you *know* it's from someone who is capable of better.[/QUOTE]


i like pudding!!!

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[quote name='Metal Boss']The vote failed :drool:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060906/ap_on_go_co/congress_rumsfeld


I like how they call it a political stunt, after rumsfelds weak smear likening democrats to nazi sympathisers....[/QUOTE]

Well, since it wouldn't force Rumsfeld out of office, it was an empty measure anyway. It was an attempt to get politicians on the record (particularly Republicans supporting Rumsfeld, since he's so remarkably unpopular in the public); much like that silly-ass bill from a few months back that the Republicans proposed seeking votes on whether or not we supported winning the war in Iraq (trying to catch Democrat votes as either supporting the war, and thus the current approach to the war, or a "no" vote would mean that the particular senator wanted the terrorists to win). Is it a political stunt? Sure. Those in glass houses...
 
Yeah it's the year that nothing is done in Congress. We have "You support the USA or not" vote, the gay marriage vote , flag burning vote, change the freedom fries back to french fries vote.

I love Congess! I think I will run so all I can do is work 95 days a year and give myself pay increases.
 
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