Demoted Abu Ghraib general not demoted because of Abu Ghraib

[Drocket]

Possibly you've heard the newstory from last week (actually, you probably didn't, seeing as the 24-hour news channels only have 24 hours per day to fill with vital information such as whether the runaway bride should be charged or not, and simply don't have any time for non-runaway bride news), that the US general in charge of Abu Ghraib had been demoted. The announcement of the punishment was laced with lots of 'We take the Abu Ghraib incident very seriously' talk. Turns out they don't.

The general wasn't actually demoted because of Abu Ghraib (despite the fact that the investigation found that her "performance of duty was found to be seriously lacking") Instead, they dug up an old shoplifting charge and claim that was the reason for the demotion. Uh-huh, yeah.

It seems to me that the demotion was quite clearly a punishment for her involvement (or non-involement) with Abu Ghraib, but they can't actually come out and say that its because of Abu Ghraib because that would be an admission that the US military system isn't perfect. Instead, they're rather desperately pushing the 'small conspiracy' theory for why it happened, while at the same time trying to publicly look like they're doing something about it without actually doing anything about it, leading to all kind of ridiculous twists of logic. The whole situation is rather ridiculous...

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[gamefreak]

Would you rather she not be punished?

 

[E-Z-B]

[quote name='gamefreak']Would you rather she not be punished?[/QUOTE]

If she was punished for an unrelated shoplifting charge, then yes.

 

[CTLesq]

[quote name='Drocket'] The announcement of the punishment was laced with lots of 'We take the Abu Ghraib incident very seriously' talk. Turns out they don't.
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Turns out you don't know what you are talking about. Over 125 people have been punished as a result of Abu Ghraib. I wonder has anyone in the Hussein regime been punished for killing people there?

Or would you rather focus on the malfeaseance of a number of stupid US service members so you can continue to pathetically nip at the heels of GWB because you actually oppose him? I wonder?


[quote name='drocket'] The general wasn't actually demoted because of Abu Ghraib (despite the fact that the investigation found that her "performance of duty was found to be seriously lacking") Instead, they dug up an old shoplifting charge and claim that was the reason for the demotion. Uh-huh, yeah.[/quote]

Oh no? Apparently you can't read your own article (actually, I am sure you can), you just choose to focus on selective parts:

But the Army's inspector general recommended the sanctions based on a broad charge of dereliction of duty, as well as on a charge of shoplifting, essentially clearing her of responsibility for the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison.

[quote name='drocket']It seems to me that the demotion was quite clearly a punishment for her involvement (or non-involement) with Abu Ghraib, but they can't actually come out and say that its because of Abu Ghraib because that would be an admission that the US military system isn't perfect. Instead, they're rather desperately pushing the 'small conspiracy' theory for why it happened, while at the same time trying to publicly look like they're doing something about it without actually doing anything about it, leading to all kind of ridiculous twists of logic. The whole situation is rather ridiculous...[/quote]

What is ridiculous is your selective reading of the article. But it underlines that you are incapable of understanding the idea of personal responsibility. Something I assure you the military understands quite well.

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[Drocket]

[quote name='CTLesq']Turns out you don't know what you are talking about. Over 125 people have been punished as a result of Abu Ghraib.[/quote]
'Punished' is such a nice vague word, with so many meanings and non-meanings. So far, the only people who I've really heard of who have actually BEEN punished have been a couple of low-level flunkys. Everyone in the chain of command pretty much suffers the same fate as the General in question - they get cleared of all charges related to Abu Ghraib (even while the official investigation charges them with dereliction of duty), then they get punished for a other random charges that get dredged up from the past. It doesn't look like a cover-up AT ALL, right?

I wonder has anyone in the Hussein regime been punished for killing people there?

You mean other than the ones that got blowed up and a number of others who are being held indefinitely in Iraq?

Or would you rather focus on the malfeaseance of a number of stupid US service members so you can continue to pathetically nip at the heels of GWB because you actually oppose him? I wonder?

I would like for the people who are responsible for these crimes to be punished for them. And to be specific: punished for these crimes directly, instead of punishing them for unrelated stuff to make it look like the US is taking Abu Ghraib seriously, while at the same time covering up any wrong-doing of anyone in command.

Oh no? Apparently you can't read your own article (actually, I am sure you can), you just choose to focus on selective parts:
But the Army's inspector general recommended the sanctions based on a broad charge of dereliction of duty, as well as on a charge of shoplifting, essentially clearing her of responsibility for the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison.

Exactly. Apparently you can't read between the lines: The 'broad charge of dereliction of duty' essentially refers to her involvement in Abu Ghraib, while at the same time, not actually SAYING that its her involvement of Abu Ghraib. They're trying to punish the people responsible (because there's a large number of people in the US military who actually DO have honor and want justice done), but the people at the top clearly want to make sure the chain-of-command look as pure as the driven snow, and are quite happy to engage in this pathetic double-speak coverup to make sure that happens.

 

[Trancendental]

[quote name='CTLesq']Turns out you don't know what you are talking about. Over 125 people have been punished as a result of Abu Ghraib. I wonder has anyone in the Hussein regime been punished for killing people there?[/QUOTE]

If you have to compare the decisions made by the Bush administration to the atrocities committed by Sadaam Hussein's government to look good, you know you are in trouble. It's the old "hey, at least he's better then Hitler" arguement.

 

[Trancendental]

[quote name='gamefreak']Would you rather she not be punished?[/QUOTE]

Ahhh, another ends justify means thinker. So refreshing these days!