Do you hate snakers in Mario Kart DS?

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jdevlin7756

CAGiversary!
Sorry if this is a repeat but I am interested in what the general thought is on the subject.

I really hate them. I already know a lot of pricks are going to post "go play something else if you don't like this" no matter how I defend my position.

Suffice it to say I think that this should be a racing game, not a snaking game. I've seen how it is done, but I don't want to do it. However, it seems impossible to get four people together online without a snaker in the bunch.... ARGHHH!!!

EDIT:: The middle choice is intended to be that you don't think snaking affects the outcome of a race...... Sorry it is unclear.
 
Remember how you could powerslide (press should buttens then go LRLR until your flame turns different colrs and then release) in the later versions of Mario Kart?

Well people are able to do it multiple times on long straightaways to gain huge boosts in speed.

Since they have to zig zag from one side to the next in order to keep the power slide boost going, the movement represents a slithering snake - hence the "snaking."

Though I don't play online so much, I can see other players laying traps along the side of the roads to prevent other players from doing it.
 
Anybody have a vid of snaking? I'm not sure if I've actually seen it done or not. Just wanna be sure is all.
 
I can't snake down straightaways, I dislike when people simply snake to "win" and pad their stats, but it's a part of the game. It is not a glitch....it's a part of the game. Complain to Nintendo, not those that simply want to up their stats. I still have enough fun from the other racers online who just enjoy Kartin'.

But to speak to the poll, none of the answers really agree with my stance.
 
I definetely agree that it doesn't really matter that people want to pad their stats. It just kinda sucks a lot of the fun out of the stats. I'd like the stats to reflect that I'm good at the game, not that I refuse to snake. (though I really am probably only average)

Last night I was playing with a snaker so I just threw it in reverse, backed up on every race so I could get lots of blue shells, and just repeatedly blew the crap out of them..... What good times.
 
[quote name='jdevlin7756']I definetely agree that it doesn't really matter that people want to pad their stats. It just kinda sucks a lot of the fun out of the stats. I'd like the stats to reflect that I'm good at the game, not that I refuse to snake. (though I really am probably only average)

Last night I was playing with a snaker so I just threw it in reverse, backed up on every race so I could get lots of blue shells, and just repeatedly blew the crap out of them..... What good times.[/QUOTE]

Yes. When I realize there's no way I can win, I just like to be a bastard to all the racers. :) Sometimes that's a lot more fun than attempting to win.

I wish you could have multiple accounts (short of another DS + cart combo) so that you could have an account to practice/be a jerk with, and one to win with. But I guess that's Nintendo's indirect way of dealing with people like me that would want to screw with people like that. :)
 
that is the beauty of mario kart there is alwasy a way to counter something. Like said before if you have snakers just lay a bunch of fake item boxes and bananas along the sides of the road.
 
The game would be alot more fun online if you couldn't do this! The races would be better if everyone was equal instead of having the classes of people who snake, people who can but choose not to and people who haven't a clue how that other cart is goin so fast.

I can do it but I choose not to because it's sad, i'd rather stick near the pack and battle for my wins. It's much more fun that way!
 
[quote name='$hady']The game would be alot more fun online if you couldn't do this! The races would be better if everyone was equal instead of having the classes of people who snake, people who can but choose not to and people who haven't a clue how that other cart is goin so fast.

I can do it but I choose not to because it's sad, i'd rather stick near the pack and battle for my wins. It's much more fun that way![/QUOTE]

WTF?!?!

The reason Mario Kart 64 is so godly good is because of the ability to do these mini boosts. It requires skill and practice. Just holding down the accelerator button and going around a track is boring as hell.

Practice more, master the power slide and you will be changing you opinion.
 
Yea, I never played online yet but againstthe CPU I always powerslip anytime I can. There is nothing wrong with it. People whom can't do it on the otherhand hate it.
 
[quote name='b3b0p']WTF?!?!

The reason Mario Kart 64 is so godly good is because of the ability to do these mini boosts. It requires skill and practice. Just holding down the accelerator button and going around a track is boring as hell.

Practice more, master the power slide and you will be changing you opinion.[/QUOTE]

Dude,

You clearly missed the entire point of this thread. Nobody is complaining about the power slide (or the boost you get off of it). The complaint is the snaking.

I agree completely with both sides. Since it is built into the game, I can't fault people for using it. However, would I prefer that Nintendo had found a way to make snaking impossible without removing the power slide? YES!

I'm pretty good at snaking, only because of necessity. I can use it to stay competitive and often win when necessary (If someone else is snaking). However, it truly sucks all the fun out of the game. Every race becomes a challenge to snake your way through it rather than a strategy of using your items, cutting corners, etc. It makes all the races seem redundant (Because you spend 60% of your time simply rocking back and forth), and you're playing against your own ability to snake more than challenging the other racers directly.

There will undoubtedly be a number of people who miss the point of this thread completely and say things like "It's in the game! Suck it up and deal with it!" I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the point of this thread. Is snaking "Cheating"? No. Would the game be better without it? Yes.
 
I guess I felt like snaking was an advanced tactic of the game that good players learn to do. Kind of like in Smash Brothers learning how to do L-canceling, wave dashing, infinite combos, meteors, knowing percentages, proper gaurding/shielding, etc etc etc. It might be an exploitation of the game mechanics, but it's there such that all players can discover/learn to use it.

I guess the better question here is how can you eliminate snaking and keep it a level playing field? Well, maybe you could have an overheat gauge (thank you Excitebike) which depletes with each blue/red spark boost. Do it too much too quickly and you overheat.

But that will just force people to do it in intervals. It won't stop it. Rather, you'd need to have a way to balance it out. Perhaps the sliding prior to a boost actually slows you down enough such that someone driving straight the whole time could theoretically pass you up, and then your only chance IS the power slide.

I guess I'm not able to think up a great solution. What I keep thinking of is a way to force a different set of player tactics. Maybe if you don't snake, you continually get a little faster. If you snake you can boost ahead, but the longer you slide the better chance a straight driver can catch up. Maybe the straight driver gets better items ALWAYS instead of just at a losing point.

In other words, if this is a real problem, Nintendo needs to go back and consider it like a fighting game with paper-scissors-rocks mechanics. So a snaker has an edge over a straight driver, but there's a system of checks and balances that ultimately even it out. Almost like creating different "sets" of players, just like playing a specific race in an RTS.

Of course, all of this is absolutely worthless discussion if you subscribe to the idea that snaking is purely a tactic for the better racers. There's no real honest need to penalize them for using their ability versus someone else's.

I dunno. Maybe other people have an idea.
 
I do have to concede that it does seem that it would be unfair if the really good racers weren't able to do something to set them above the others it would suck. We've probably all played a set online where we were clearly the best, but at the end of every race the sucker in the way back gets about seven blue shells and you loose (which is funny since I like to do this to snakers).
 
What I'd really like to see is the rivals function improved so that you could be matched against real rivals. Every time I do a rivals match I end up pitted against some tool with a 9000 wins - 5 losses record. If I could race people with a similar record that would be great, but I seem to have much better luck just selecting regional or worldwide.

However, let me be clear that I love this game. Other wise I wouldn't care enough to gripe ;^)
 
Perhaps, if I knew how. Unfortunetely I don't speak english at all (you know asside from the words I am using here). The real issue is that I just wanna be able to play a quick round before I go to sleep at night to unwind and have fun. Instead I usually end up waiting for several minutes just to get a group, quiting when I see Joe 9000-5, rinse, lather, repeat.

If you have suggestions, or wanted to start a CAG no-snaking friends list, let me know.
 
[quote name='jdevlin7756'] Unfortunetely I don't speak english at all (you know asside from the words I am using here).
[/QUOTE]

For not knowing how to speak it, you write better then the majority of the English speakers around here.
 
So the point of this thread is that you can't do power slides on a straight away, but only on turns otherwise it's cheating because those that can are too good for most?

Did I get that right?

The items, powerslides, shortcuts are all means of becoming an elite Mario Kart god. You'll just have to master them all.

The only thing I really hate is the blue shells. There are way to many. The probability of the last placed person getting blue shells is outragous. It's not cheating, but damn is it annoying.

Perhaps if people were better matched up then there wouldn't be as many complaints about this.

Elminating powerslides in only certain cases? Not sure about that, but to me that would make the game worse.
 
I wish I could snake--I'm embarassingly bad at MKDS, but it's sooo fun I love it.

The matchmaking feature is supposed to prevent lopsided races, but it's not perfect. Good thing they have friend codes...
 
[quote name='b3b0p']The only thing I really hate is the blue shells. There are way to many. The probability of the last placed person getting blue shells is outragous. [highlight]It's not cheating, but damn is it annoying.[/highlight][/QUOTE]
That's what the OP is saying about snaking...
 
Mini-Turbos (or snaking as in discussion in this thread) are a big part of Mario Kart IMO. I could understand not everyone liking it but to me it would be much the same if someone was new at a fighting game like Street Fighter II and didn't enjoy playing against someone who was more seasoned and did combos on the other player that's newer to the game.
 
I would liken it to Bunny hopping in Half-life, it is doable under the physics in the game, but annoying and not meant to be implemented in that fashion. At it's high point before measure were put in place to make it more difficult, the opposing team in Counter-strike would bunny hop to gain speed and then reach the other team's spawn before they could even finish buying weapons, it was that frustrating.
 
I know it sounds dumb but it should be fair. However I look at it like this something as dumb as agame like this go to their level. I not even try to win. I would go for every item box. I would just sit next to items boxes and keep sending everything out. It's one of those things in games like sniping. People say sniping is not fair in war game cause you are giving yourself an "unfair advantage" However something like this is messed up.
 
[quote name='b3b0p']So the point of this thread is that you can't do power slides on a straight away, but only on turns otherwise it's cheating because those that can are too good for most?

Did I get that right?

The items, powerslides, shortcuts are all means of becoming an elite Mario Kart god. You'll just have to master them all.

The only thing I really hate is the blue shells. There are way to many. The probability of the last placed person getting blue shells is outragous. It's not cheating, but damn is it annoying.

Perhaps if people were better matched up then there wouldn't be as many complaints about this.

Elminating powerslides in only certain cases? Not sure about that, but to me that would make the game worse.[/QUOTE]

i agree with b3b0p
I have no idea how to do snaking (powerslide on straightways), but I think it's a technique for advanced people.. nothing to be pissed off about..
 
I really don't care for snaking... I can't really do it well enough to make too much of a difference but I don't see what's wrong with it. Usually, it makes them easier targets for regular items like bananas and green shells.
 
doesnt' really bother me. when my friend snake me in MK I think its actually funny, and we have a lot of fun playing in multiplayer. i'd rather have a guy snake me, then destroy me for 99% of the race, and get to the point that I can't even catch up, or see him/her on the map screen.
 
got damn! see it's discussions like this that piss me off.

do u kno why snaking gets such a bad rep?? becoz mario kart is a game accessible to everyone, everyone is playing it, and everyone wants to play it. even your girlfriend and children love it. the game itself is so simple.

thus when a simple technique arises (dat's EASY as hell to do, advanced technique my ass) dudes uproar.

they put a drift boost in the game so ppl could use it, now all theyre doing is using it multiple times to go fast, is dat wrong?

take a look at a lesser accessible game like CVS2.

capcom puts a roll move into the game allowing u to avoid getting hit

then players find a way to cancel that roll into a move, creating an invincible attack.

did everybody cry and complain about it? no. becoz the fighting game community isnt a group of ppl who will cry when they realize they suck. rather, they'll get good at the game instead.

and of course when they play for "fun" they no less play in top shape.

but u kno what makes street fighters top players? that when cheap tactics come about, they know how to deal with it and survive.

so u dont like snakers? think like this,

snakers will usually smoke you, but most snaking vehicles have poor speed (yet high acceleration)

if u can keep up, trailing second place u will most likely get your fare share of shells that u can use against the opponent.

red shells hit directly yet green ones can mess up his snaking (as another mentioned)

finally with that said, use a kart with a high speed! u definately want to find out your own style of playing and choose a kart that acoommodates it.

I played a snaker last nite, a good one, and he got beat by King Koopa!

so dont settle saying like "o I hate snakers I only wanna play w/o them." learn to deal with them and beat them. there are ways.
 
As much as snaking may piss people off...I'm more upset with the lag that occassionally pops up at the finish line. I'm usually neck and neck with someone, and when I think that I eeked out a victory over the other guy....the results show otherwise. This has pissed me off quite a few times. I love contact down the stretch, and I understand that there would be some lag....but when the lag is so egregious to take a win away. That sucks the fun out of me for awhile.
 
I find snaking fine, as long as there are other people in the race that can snake, other than that, snaking is somewhat unfair to less hardcore players.
 
It's a technique to use - just like having a kart with high speed/accel or slipping into 3rd or 4th intentionally to get a star or triple shroom on the last lap.

It's funny that I normally don't do this just because it wears my thumb out... damn DS needs a bigger D-pad!! However, someone who was like 450-6 was part of my rivals race and I decided to just follow suit since that's all he/she was doing. I actually was in 1st place and he gets a blue shell at the last second in 2nd place and blasts me just before the finish line???? How do you get a blue shell in 2nd place w/ 4 racers? I saw it pop up on his icon list and launch from him, so it wasn't someone else and he wasn't holding onto it. :(

I'm hoping the flash carts and cheat devices aren't gonna ruin the races. Of course, that's what the friend codes are for anyway! :D
 
[quote name='JEKKI']

take a look at a lesser accessible game like CVS2.

capcom puts a roll move into the game allowing u to avoid getting hit

then players find a way to cancel that roll into a move, creating an invincible attack.

did everybody cry and complain about it? no. becoz the fighting game community isnt a group of ppl who will cry when they realize they suck. rather, they'll get good at the game instead.
.[/QUOTE]

That is one terrible analogy. First, I know plenty of people that complained, they just deal with it because its been around long enough that they just accept it, and there is no way around it in tournaments.
Second, power boosting in Mario Kart is not a GLITCH. Roll cancelling is a GLITCH. Will CvS 3 have the ability to roll cancel? I highly doubt it. Will Mario Kart Next have power boosting? I garauntee it.
 
Part of the game. You gotta learn to deal with it, instead of whining and hoping the gover...err, Nintendo solves all your problems for you.

I, personally, have never seen this, and I suspect it would be insanely frustrating. But, again, it's legit.

Didn't mean to make this political.

(that last part's a lie)
 
IMO it's more of a balance issue and not that snaking is unfair or cheating. If they nerfed the amount of time some of the karts better suited for snaking boosted for during Mini-Turbos they would be more balanced with other karts.
 
[quote name='p00p']That is one terrible analogy. First, I know plenty of people that complained, they just deal with it because its been around long enough that they just accept it, and there is no way around it in tournaments.
Second, power boosting in Mario Kart is not a GLITCH. Roll cancelling is a GLITCH. Will CvS 3 have the ability to roll cancel? I highly doubt it. Will Mario Kart Next have power boosting? I garauntee it.[/QUOTE]dude CVS is a fighting game,

if the next one dont got roll cancels, it'll have something else hella broken in it.

GUARANTEED!!
 
I think it takes part of the fun out of the game, I can powerslide and am pretty good at it, but I don't enjoy constantly power boosting. I don't fault those who do it though.

It reminds me of jumping in some of the FPS, Unreal Tournament comes to mind. The game would become a jump fest, it just wasn't enjoyable to constantly jump. Of course there were ways around that.
 
[quote name='JEKKI']dude CVS is a fighting game,

if the next one dont got roll cancels, it'll have something else hella broken in it.

GUARANTEED!![/QUOTE]
So?
Like you said, the next installment will have something hella "broken" in it, meaning not as planned. Power boosting is intentional, put in on purpose by the creators of the game. Roll cancelling was not intended.
Look, if I remember correctly, you said you didn't mind snaking.....neither do I, we are on the same side, I was just pointing out that the CvS analogy doesn't really work.
 
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