Does P.N. 03 suck?

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please tell me your opinions on this game. I've heard it's awful, but as one of the Capcom 5, I'm finding it hard to pass up.
 
I'd rather have shit smeared all over my face while being kicked in the balls then ever touching or seeing this game again.
 
By stating "one of the Capcom 5" I hope you mean that this Capcom game is 5 bucks. It's not worth much more than that. Seriously.
 
If you can get it for real cheap like, I'd recommend it. It's kind of fun for a couple of hours, but it grows a bit stale.
 
It's the type of game that Play magazine will give GOTY honors too, if that tells you anything ;)
 
It got a ton of hype and when it was released it just sort of disappeared instantly.

It must have sucked, never played it though.
 
It is NOT as bad as people say, in fact, I enjoyed it very much. Here's the thing, though - it's nothing like what people expected it to be. People though it would be a Tomb Raider or Devil May Cry, when it actuality it's a shooter, like Gradius, Raiden, or Ikaruga, translated into 3D. You only have a few degrees of movement freedom, and it's all a test of reflexes and perfection.

And on top of that, it does have a lot of legitimately bad design decisions, notably a lack of pertinent information in the menus about requirements and unlocks, as well as original areas to walk through, it feels like there's only maybe 3 "levels" that are repainted over and over again. The worst thing is that you need to play through "Practice" levels for 80% of your game time, which are randomized segments of 15 rooms. Usually, you will have about 5 types of rooms, so you get many, many repeats and it becomes a big headache. And hell, most people I imagine would find the base gameplay monotonous anyway.

All that said - I enjoyed it far more than I expected, because I like old school schmups. That's no guarantee anyone else will, but I think there are a few closet PN 03 fans out there like myself who get what I'm saying. If you dig the gameplay as much as I did, and were aware AND willing to look past the aforementioned bad designs, it's a pretty good experience. Interestingly, from what I hear about Killer 7 on most sites, they took the opposite approach to the extreme, blatantly having a weak gameplay engine as an excuse for the cutscenes and story. PN 03 has nothing in that department that's worth having.

The game is worth $5-10, easy, if you are into traditional shoot 'em ups, just for its surprising experiment in gameplay. And for the RIDICULOUS ass shaking motion capture animations. Really. It's a pity they used that to try to sell the game.
 
Well, I thought this game was total crap when I first got it. The camera sucks, the controls are wonky, and it all looks really unpolished. It wasn't a "free" game, in that you aren't rewarded for poking around levels. It sat on my shelf, doomed to crappy game purgatory.

But then somebody told me to treat it sorta as a rythm game with shooting elements. Go with the flow of the music, spinning and dodging and pulling off combos in time to the techno soundtrack. Play it as an arcade-style rail shooter, rather than a third person free-roaming game. Its much more fun this way. Still, not the best game ever, but given a new perspective, I actually played through it a bit, and had at least the $5 worth of fun that I paid for. The music isn't bad, and once you get the hang of the spinning and special moves, its pretty cool. More stylistic than realistic.
 
Got it during the 04 CC sale, for 5 bucks--- after playing it for an hour, I kinda wished I'da saved my 5 and bought two bean burritos at Taco bell.
 
[quote name='Scahom1']It's the type of game that Play magazine will give GOTY honors too, if that tells you anything ;)[/QUOTE]


Play gave it GOTY? they are my favorite mag....but some of their review decisions are just plain out there. Didn't they give Malice goty a few years ago? and what's up with that guys battletoads fetish and why don't they give any anime less than a 9/10? their positivity is out of control :lol:

anyway, i'll probably pick this up for $5.
 
I finished P.N. 03. Got it for $10 at a Wal-Mart clearance last year.

I thought of it this way. Take Jill from REmake, and put her into a futuristic setting. Add Galaxy or Space Invaders gameplay. Some mocap booty-shaking. Then rinse and repeat, over, over, and over again. Until you see the ending.

It's an old-school shooter, with flare.

food for thought, there're some elements of P.N. 03 that are similar with RE4.
 
Its a really bad game. Its not unplayable but I really hated it and sold it. It controls worse than RE and its supposed to be an action game which is odd why they would make the controls so horrible.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']I'd rather have shit smeared all over my face while being kicked in the balls then ever touching or seeing this game again.[/QUOTE]

Quoted for emphasis.

It's the only game I ever fell asleep playing. I've been playing games for 18 years now, have played over 1000 games, and this is the first and only time i've EVER fell asleep playing a game.

They start repeating the bosses by level FOUR.. how lame is that? Boring enemies, shitty AI, horrible level design, horrible main character design, shitty music. It's a seemingly rushed, boring, shitty game.

Not sure what this game does right... it was a rip off at $5.

Think of it this way: Capcom never bothered to port this game to a different system, that ought to tell you something right there.
 
Yes the game sucks, I was playing it and finally had to admit to myself I just wasn't having any fun, I was holding out hope for some crowning moment to come along and redeem the entire experience but it just never happened. Backgrounds were bland brown and greys. Story wasn't there .The character animation was dragging on so long it was leaving me wide open for cheap shots. Really surprising job from Capcom.
 
I enjoyed it for a $10 game. Mindless shooter. With minimal story. Need to beat the game with the final suit to get the real ending. Controlls are delayed because you can't shoot while dodging or one of the motion capture moves. Just robots no people enemies. Overall like many other games that can be beaten quickly like God of War(better game though of course), etc... it's a rental. Or a buy at 5 dollars. You shoot robots to pieces while watching a girl shack around in a skimpy outfit. I've had worse experiences gaming. 6 out of 10 if I'd have to give it a score.
 
Ingredients for making PN03:

1 cup Fighting Force 2
1 cup Resident Evil
2 cups Duke Nukem: Land of the Babes
1 3/4 tbsp SUCK
1 tbsp fiber
Pinch of ASS

Mix slowly until a dark brown froth is formed.

For best results, have your neighborhood's retarded children do it.
 
[quote name='SevereTireDamage']It is NOT as bad as people say, in fact, I enjoyed it very much. Here's the thing, though - it's nothing like what people expected it to be. People though it would be a Tomb Raider or Devil May Cry, when it actuality it's a shooter, like Gradius, Raiden, or Ikaruga, translated into 3D. You only have a few degrees of movement freedom, and it's all a test of reflexes and perfection.

And on top of that, it does have a lot of legitimately bad design decisions, notably a lack of pertinent information in the menus about requirements and unlocks, as well as original areas to walk through, it feels like there's only maybe 3 "levels" that are repainted over and over again. The worst thing is that you need to play through "Practice" levels for 80% of your game time, which are randomized segments of 15 rooms. Usually, you will have about 5 types of rooms, so you get many, many repeats and it becomes a big headache. And hell, most people I imagine would find the base gameplay monotonous anyway.

All that said - I enjoyed it far more than I expected, because I like old school schmups. That's no guarantee anyone else will, but I think there are a few closet PN 03 fans out there like myself who get what I'm saying. If you dig the gameplay as much as I did, and were aware AND willing to look past the aforementioned bad designs, it's a pretty good experience. Interestingly, from what I hear about Killer 7 on most sites, they took the opposite approach to the extreme, blatantly having a weak gameplay engine as an excuse for the cutscenes and story. PN 03 has nothing in that department that's worth having.

The game is worth $5-10, easy, if you are into traditional shoot 'em ups, just for its surprising experiment in gameplay. And for the RIDICULOUS ass shaking motion capture animations. Really. It's a pity they used that to try to sell the game.[/QUOTE]

I'd actually agree with alot of this. I found it to be pretty decent and definitely worth $5-10. It does get monotonous though. So far, I have gotten a couple good hours out of it. The trick is to not play it too much all at once. I go weeks without playing it to make it a little less repetitive.
 
You guys are harsh, PN03 was actually pretty good. It was a throwback to the classic action games of the 16 bit age. But in full 3D. It's not really a bad game, it's just very simple.
 
I have it but I haven't opened it yet. This thread makes me wanna push it further down the list of games I need to play.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']I'd rather have shit smeared all over my face while being kicked in the balls then ever touching or seeing this game again.[/QUOTE]

Hey can I get some pictures of that?
 
It's NOT anything like Halo. It's NOT anything like Devil May Cry.

Those are the main reasons people don't like it. Everyone seemed to expect Devil May Cry in space. The poster likening it to a shmup is absolutely correct. If you think Halo 2 is "teh aws0me", you will hate P.N.03. If you're a fan of 2D shooters, you might very well enjoy it. I did. If you can look at it as a shooter that just happens to be presented in 3D and gives you control of a person, you might be happy. Great music too.

My only complaints - color scheme is too monochrome. I guess it was a stylistic decision, but I don't agree with the decision. Just looks too WHITE to me most of the time. Also, I see the complaints about monotonous gameplay, but that's kind of a hallmark of shmups anyway so it didn't bother me so much.

I know that many, many gamers love FPS games and bland 3D action titles, and although I think that's unfortunate, it's a rather common feeling. For all of you people who are into the aformentioned genres, P.N.03 is not your game. Don't bother with it, as you will likely hate it. If you're more a fan of old school game design and 2D shooters, give P.N.03 a try.
 
[quote name='doraemonkerpal']LOL!

what's the capcom 5?[/QUOTE]

n/m, here's the answer for anybody who's wondering:

P.N. 03, Dead Phoenix, Resident Evil 4, Killer 7, and Viewtiful Joe
 
[quote name='doraemonkerpal']n/m, here's the answer for anybody who's wondering:

P.N. 03, Dead Phoenix, Resident Evil 4, Killer 7, and Viewtiful Joe[/QUOTE]

Bombed, canceled, no long GC exclusive, bombed, and no longer GC exclusive.

The Capcom 5 were 5 games that were supposed to catapult the GC ahead of the other two because they were supposed to be exclusive, high profile games. None of them really had the desired effect.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Bombed, canceled, no long GC exclusive, bombed, and no longer GC exclusive.

The Capcom 5 were 5 games that were supposed to catapult the GC ahead of the other two because they were supposed to be exclusive, high profile games. None of them really had the desired effect.[/QUOTE]

You forgot to mention that Killer 7 is no longer a GC exclusive as well.
 
Alright,.... remember Sinistar, on the Midway's Greatest Hits disc??

Imagine controlling a third person viewed character that way, in a really PS1 quality level.
You can shoot guns too.
That's about all there is in common with shmups.

Yes, it's like taking Resident Evil controls into a fast paced brawl,... it doesn't work.

The camera is HORRID, and the whole, limited line of sight bullsheot, is an excuse people make to hide the obvious fact.
The graphics are VERY dated, except for the high poly models of the slut you control. WOW, she's semi-hot,... but not like rememberable hot,... like what a cool tech demo hot.

Seriously,.. this may have well been Tomb Raider in Space's beta, or more likely, alpha.

I really wanted to enjoy this game. I bought it on release day,... and took it back 2 hours after playing it. Then, at the $10 BB sale, I figured maybe I was too judgmental. WRONG!!! Luckily, I collect GC games, so it wasn't a total waste. It's a good joke, when friends ask about my collection.

I had more fun playing the new Space Invaders, Mastiff put out. Seriously.

For $5, sure why not. Unfortunately, some people will find anything in a sucky game, to validate their horrible decision. Like, hey, this ain't TOO bad for $5.
Then again, here at CAG, getting games for cheap means no excuses.
Save your $5 for a nice GBA game price drop. I'm sure Riviera will hit the bins soon. Then it'll go up to $80+.

:)

Really,... I don't lie about games' overall quality.
The game SUCKS!
 
[quote name='Roufuss']You forgot to mention that Killer 7 is no longer a GC exclusive as well.[/QUOTE]

I didn't know that.... but then I didn't really pay attention to the game because it didn't look appealing to me. All the screens I saw reminded me of Virtua Fighter.
 
Really,... Killer 7 bombed????


Didn't it just come out?
I was skeptical to order right away, so I figured I'd wait until my BX got it in.
The reviews up at most sites say it's splendid,... just a bit macabre, to say the least.

It's supposedly awkward to control at first, but then becomes second nature. The challenges are also extremely complex, and obscure, so perhaps this is what you are talking about.
Most casual gamers have never played through a game without hint guides, or codes.

When you can beat Predator on the NES, Turok 2 on the N64, and Dragon Force on the Saturn, without codes or guides of any kind, .... then, you can start your life as a non-casual gamer.
Not that those games are noteworthy,... but they all have simple mechanics, that seem to baffle the average Joe Gamer.

There are MANY other games I'd mention,... but I can say that those 3 games provided me with abilities that helped me venture into let's say, Metal Gear Solid.

Without knowing how to conquer various unrelated games, is to prepare you for a game like Killer 7, I'd imagine. Hell,... I remember people beotching about RTS's on consoles.


Well,... after it's done BOMBING,... let me know how it really stacks up as a WHOLE game.

:)
 
[quote name='drone8888']I don't lie about games' overall quality. The game SUCKS![/QUOTE]

Perhaps you meant you don't lie about your opinion of the game. Perhaps P.N. 03 is somewhat of an acquired taste, but I actually liked it. It's certainly not a great game, but I wouldn't call it bad either.

The biggest problem I have with P.N. 03 is that the endless swarm of robot enemies and generic indoor corridors repeat again, again and again in every level. Once you've played a level or two, you've seen pretty much everything the game has to offer.

Still, the music and graphics are decent enough, and the lead character's moves and changing outfits keep it interesting for a while. For $10 or less, I think most people can find something to like here.
 
Yes my opinion.

I don't SETTLE for things though.

Why should I search out something, that the game should be enveloped in???
Just because somethings cheap, doesn't mean it's worth it.
I guess you don't mind the hookers with AIDS.

Well here you go,.... I like the Superman logo on the title screen of Superman 64. Therefore, the game is worth $10.
LOL
Yeah,.. your theory applies well.
Just trying to save the guy a headache, and $5.

JEEZ.
 
[quote name='drone8888']I like the Superman logo on the title screen of Superman 64. Therefore, the game is worth $10. Yeah,.. your theory applies well.[/QUOTE]

You're being a little extreme here. Superman 64 is commonly called the worst game available for N64, but being the person I am, I'd still buy a copy of this for $5 or less for laughs and kicks, just to see how bad it really is.

P.N. 03 is nowhere near as bad a game as Superman 64, and the fact that you would compare the two calls your opinion into question. For a mere $5, a lot of people probably can find plenty of fun with P.N. 03, despite your opinion on the matter.
 
That's fine.

If you liked Biker Boyzzzzzzzzzzz,.... more power to you.

My taste is not acquired,... and is actually revered. It's just I come off as a prick, so people tend to shy away.
Fine by me. I'm totally happy with my delicious collection.
:)

I shall go point and laugh at my copy of PN03 now.
:)
 
It wasn't that bad of a game, Its worth picking up for $10.
The biggest issue I had with the game is it felt more like a DEMO then a real game. I never finished a game as fast as I finished P.N.03
I think if Capcom put a little bit more effort in it they could have had a really good game.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Bombed, canceled, no long GC exclusive, bombed, and no longer GC exclusive.

The Capcom 5 were 5 games that were supposed to catapult the GC ahead of the other two because they were supposed to be exclusive, high profile games. None of them really had the desired effect.[/QUOTE]


Killer 7 has been out for a week-- I don't think it's bombed just yet.

but it will bomb cause people are stupid(by which I mean, my opinion rules, of course ;-) )

But yeah, the Capcom 5 was pretty much a big failure. but they would be bankrupt if they didn't put all that stuff on the PS2.
 
Resident Evil 4 is technically exlusive until it's availible for another console. And Killer 7 will be a sleeper hit if nothing else. The reviews says it's great mature game that doesn't pull it's punches for kids in any way. For that alone it will do decently well.
 
PN03 gets a bad rap, but it's not the worst damn game ever made (superman 64 has that title). It's an old school level shooter with current generation flair, nothing more nothing less. What makes it bad is the levels are very plain, and they look the same which bores people to death. It's a good play, looks good, controls good, and it's a challenge to beat but lack of motivation to beat it is what holds it back. Go ahead and get it, it's dirt cheap and kills an hour of your bored. If you don't get it your not missing much, and if you do it's not that bad of game that everyone makes it out to be. Of course this is my opinion, take it as you will.
 
[quote name='drone8888']Unfortunately, some people will find anything in a sucky game, to validate their horrible decision.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever thought that maybe some people just like games you don't? Naaa..that can't be it. :roll:

I enjoyed PN03, and I used store credit to pick it up when it first came out at Rhino. Was expecting to probably return it based on the bad buzz it had already built up, but enjoyed it enough that I decided to keep it. The game I compare it to is Gungrave. It's a straight-ahead shooter, turning is more-or-less irrelevent.

One of the reasons I like Capcom so much is because of games like PN03. Sure, they put out the DMC3's and the RE4's that are awesome and everyone loves. But then they put out games like PN03, Killer 7, and Steel Battalion - games that are made for a narrow audience. Hell, playing Killer 7 you can almost hear the dev saying "I don't give a fuck if you like this game or not, I made it the way *I* wanted it". That takes balls, and it's something far too rare in the gaming industry today.
 
alright, alright, me and anyone who was wondering about this game gets the picture.....(but sublymnl wins :lol: )
 
the boss fights in P.N. 03 were pretty good.

oh, and Biker Boyz was lame......eck. Torque, eh.... now, Full Throttle(1995) by Andy Lau, that's the movie to watch.

i'll pick up Killer 7 when it's around $15. Love dark violence. Takes me back to the Golgo 13 days.
 
at first you will enjoy its unique style but it gets soooo repetitive and there is no story. I traded it before i beat it because it was boring. Not terrible but not worth buying at all.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Killer 7 has been out for a week-- I don't think it's bombed just yet.

but it will bomb cause people are stupid(by which I mean, my opinion rules, of course ;-) )

But yeah, the Capcom 5 was pretty much a big failure. but they would be bankrupt if they didn't put all that stuff on the PS2.[/QUOTE]

Is that a fact? Do you do Capcom's books?
 
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