Douchebag living downstairs: Advice

[quote name='Dead of Knight']No marks as I was wearing a heavy coat covering most of my body. Even though the incident happened this morning do you think I could still call the police about it?[/quote]


YES!!!


Go down in person and talk to an officer so you can get a police report filled out. Time's a ticking!!
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Good post. The thing is the guy is doing it at shitty hours- 8AM, past 11 PM. My fiance is also a musician but he's conscious about it and would definitely stop if someone came and complained. Like you said, I don't give two shits when the guy has the music blasting at like 5PM. I've also never stomped or anything; the only act we've done is gone down and attempted to talk with them. But apparently HE is the king of the world and can listen to music whenever he wants as long as it doesn't inconvenience HIM.[/quote]

Well, some people you just can't talk to...that's just the way it is. Personally, I would be careful about going directly after the dog yourself. The guy already knows you're the one who has a problem, so you if you do something like that, it could get personal, and there's no telling what he could do. I don't know if I'd want my 95lb fiancee going up to some strange dude's apartment to confront him.

I would press the issue with your landlord and even inquire about any kind of "quiet hours". Worst case, you can force them to answer the question of whether it's reasonable to play loud music at 11pm. As much as I like to make noise during "regular hours", I also like to enjoy a nice evening with my wife. I can't stand drunk idiots screaming outside our door at 1am. And of course, when that happens, your rental office isn't open, so there's no one to complain to.

As others have said, document it, record it, and make it an impossible issue for the office to ignore. Just make sure you're not overreacting or exagerrating either. Just hit them with stone cold facts. If the only solution they can give you is to call the cops, then do it, and tell them your landlord told you to. If they get tired of coming out, they can take it up with the property manager.
 
Yeah I don't know about going after the dog either. He'd probably retaliate pretty badly if something actually happened to the runt. I'll just keep what I said in my report for the apartment management and leave it at that for now.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Yeah I don't know about going after the dog either. He'd probably retaliate pretty badly if something actually happened to the runt. I'll just keep what I said in my report for the apartment management and leave it at that for now.[/quote]

Smart. The best thing to do is stay rational about it. While possibly reasonable, going after the dog is kind of a low blow. It's possible your fear of large dogs could have intensified the situation from your perspective. Even if the guy was lazy in his response, if that dog has never bitten anybody, he's going to think it's no big deal, and without any marks to prove it, convincing anybody that the dog is "dangerous" or "aggressive" is a really tough sell...not to mention, a little vindictive. It seems like some people here are trying to get you to get the guy's dog put to sleep based on a technicality (no leash). That's effed up guys, lol.
 
I had a similar experience a few years back. Not only was the music loud but his woofer was cranked up so high that it was shaking the entire building. I left notes politely asking him to turn it down, that didn't work. I complained to managment several times, they didn't do much. Then I called the cops on him 3 times, and I think they fined him the 3rd time cause he stopped for good. Eventually the jerk moved out.

But what the cops told me is that there's little they can do if it's at a reasonable hour. Past 9:00 PM then they get more serious.

But yeah, start callin' the cops. After a few times being called for the same complaint they'll start fining him, hopefully.
 
I've got one other potential "solution" for you. My wife is finishing up her degree and has a lot of early classes. Since our apartment doesn't have air conditioning, during the summer, we would run box fans which would block out a lot of the noise caused by the wonderful 1am drunken retards. But once winter rolled around, it was too cold to do that, so I had to come up with another solution. So, I made this ( http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n05ygzovwnk ). I burned it to a CD and just leave it on repeat all night. It might not work for you depending on your bedroom location, insulation, etc., but it's worth a shot. If all else fails, earplugs are always an option until you can get your landlord to do something. Good luck!
 
Here is the easiest thing to do ( i work for an apartment complex) call and speak to the boss. Don't settle for anyone but the boss. Tell him/her the problem. Rember you just cant throw someone out just like that. Give them time.

If this dosn't fix the problem. Call the boss and tell them that you have called before and would like to have their bosses number. call them. Tell the apartments boss you will call them. Be nice about it though. Tell the bosses boss whats up and you would like someting done.

We do 3 lease letters then your gone.

another thing people did at work was to tape a video camera into their floor or cieling and record the noise. If you can hear it on the camera then you have proof!

Keep record of when you call, who you talk to. Bring this up to the boss when you call. It normaly takes about a month to get rid of someone AFTER you have called the boss.



on a side note. Your official letter was really confusing. I couldn't keep up with it.

Another good thing is call and meet with the boss in person. It helps to have a face to a issue instead of a voice on the phone. Its harder for the boss to tell you no when your in front of them. Don't mention any times between 10 am- 10 pm. Thats living hours and are going to hear noise. Anything other then those times you have an arguement. 8am is borderline and normally leans towards the people not complaining
 
I'd do all the proper ideas mentioned above first. If all those failed, I'd make a fake eviction warning note with an official looking seal on top from some "property association" and tape it to his door. Basically warning him that this was strike one and if he got three strikes, he's out.

P.S. Whoever posted the fan audio file last page, thanks..I think it will help me fall asleep even though I don't have asshole neighbors. ;)
 
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Best you can do is write the letters. The leasing office needs documented complaints to have grounds for lease violations and evictions--which is why they asked you to write it up.

So that was a start and write a letter for every future incident. Do that and they'll be thrown out eventually. Most places have policy of 2-3 noise complaints before eviction.
 
A friend of mine once had a similar problem with downstairs neighbors playing loud music. His solution? He started to dribble a basketball until the music stopped.
 
[quote name='pacifickarma']A friend of mine once had a similar problem with downstairs neighbors playing loud music. His solution? He started to dribble a basketball until the music stopped.[/QUOTE]

Nice! The beauty of living ABOVE the jerk!
 
[quote name='eebuckeye']Nice! The beauty of living ABOVE the jerk![/quote]


or.... DoK and her Asian husband to be could do some pre-honeymoon humping....loudly :p That would balance things out.
 
That sucks, I left my old apartment for almost the exact same reason (minus the dog). A lot of getting these things resolved seems to depend on your landlord/building manager, what they write in the rental agreement and how strictly they follow it. At our current place people have been kicked out for simply using surround sound frequently and loudly.
 
My wife and I have had constant neighbor issues since our first apartment. Our current neighbors play music very loudly, typically beginning at 11pm and ending around 4:30am. After 14 complaints to the PD (to their credit, the music did stop every time we called), I asked to have the officer contact me before speaking with the neighbor.

As it turns out, disturbing the peace doesn't have a time restriction, but the stipulation (at least here) is that the officer has to hear it from the street. Good luck considering it's a busy intersection and every Joe Schmo is playing bad rap music so loud you can feel them coming before you hear them coming.

Anyway, things cleared up really quickly when we asked the officer to cite the neighbors. We would have been required to testify in court if the neighbors appealed, but they did not. Instead they got slammed with a fee and a mark against their record. After so many of those, they can be evicted.

We still have problems with them now and then, but I just have to go over and ask them to turn it down or give them a phone call (they gave us their phone number after the last incident).
 
I suggest you start using these
moon-shoes.jpg

to go from room to room.
 
[quote name='Mr_hockey66']Here is the easiest thing to do ( i work for an apartment complex) call and speak to the boss. Don't settle for anyone but the boss. Tell him/her the problem. Rember you just cant throw someone out just like that. Give them time.

If this dosn't fix the problem. Call the boss and tell them that you have called before and would like to have their bosses number. call them. Tell the apartments boss you will call them. Be nice about it though. Tell the bosses boss whats up and you would like someting done.

We do 3 lease letters then your gone.

another thing people did at work was to tape a video camera into their floor or cieling and record the noise. If you can hear it on the camera then you have proof!

Keep record of when you call, who you talk to. Bring this up to the boss when you call. It normaly takes about a month to get rid of someone AFTER you have called the boss.



on a side note. Your official letter was really confusing. I couldn't keep up with it.

Another good thing is call and meet with the boss in person. It helps to have a face to a issue instead of a voice on the phone. Its harder for the boss to tell you no when your in front of them. Don't mention any times between 10 am- 10 pm. Thats living hours and are going to hear noise. Anything other then those times you have an arguement. 8am is borderline and normally leans towards the people not complaining[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice. They have been suspiciously quiet today except for some runtdog barking. My fiance and I edited the letter tonight and we will deliver it tomorrow. My fiance specifically added reference to the clause in the lease that they are in violation of.

[quote name='n8rockerasu']I've got one other potential "solution" for you. My wife is finishing up her degree and has a lot of early classes. Since our apartment doesn't have air conditioning, during the summer, we would run box fans which would block out a lot of the noise caused by the wonderful 1am drunken retards. But once winter rolled around, it was too cold to do that, so I had to come up with another solution. So, I made this ( http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n05ygzovwnk ). I burned it to a CD and just leave it on repeat all night. It might not work for you depending on your bedroom location, insulation, etc., but it's worth a shot. If all else fails, earplugs are always an option until you can get your landlord to do something. Good luck![/QUOTE]
Thanks for the link. That is so damn awesome.
 
When I lived on campus, I bought one of those maritime airhorns.The people below me used to party at idiotic times (Tuesday at 2AM? REALLY?) so I'd wait until I knew they had a hangover the next day, and would just blow the thing as much as I liked. I saw one of the tenants taking out the trash one day (during a period where I found a vent of mine that existed over their bedroom and decided that it was the best place to blow the horn) with a pillow taped around her ears.

They stopped partying pretty quickly.


[quote name='serenitygod']5'1 and 95 lbs man your almost a buck! XD[/QUOTE]

I dated a girl an inch taller and 10lbs heavier once. We were making out and I accidentally tossed her through her closet door because she was so light. I'm 6'3", so I had her picked up and pressed against it. Of course, it was one of those cheap, flimsy slide-doors, but it was still hilarious.

Wait, what was my point? .... Probably that she'd blow away in a windstorm.
 
For the record, disturbing the peace does not matter what hour, at least in my experience with the police, get them out there, they can handle it...
 
Yeah, in most places disturbing the peace legally doesn't have a time limit--but that can vary by municipal code.

What does vary is apartment complex noise policies--some have quite hours and don't care if people make noise at other times.
 
[quote name='rvdrock']For the record, disturbing the peace does not matter what hour, at least in my experience with the police, get them out there, they can handle it...[/quote]

When it comes to July 4th, there is a noise ordnace saying 8 o'clock in Florida. I think time usually matters. I have experienced something similar because there are four girls in apartment above me they like get laid alot
at 2:30 in the morning and I can't sleep. Atleast it has been awhile becasue they were at it every night before.
 
[quote name='serenitygod']When it comes to July 4th, there is a noise ordnace saying 8 o'clock in Florida. I think time usually matters. I have experienced something similar because there are four girls in apartment above me they like get laid alot
at 2:30 in the morning and I can't sleep. Atleast it has been awhile becasue they were at it every night before.[/QUOTE]
I guess the economy is bad for prostitutes too.
 
[quote name='serenitygod']When it comes to July 4th, there is a noise ordnace saying 8 o'clock in Florida. I think time usually matters. I have experienced something similar because there are four girls in apartment above me they like get laid alot
at 2:30 in the morning and I can't sleep. Atleast it has been awhile becasue they were at it every night before.[/quote]

Sounds like you need to play a recording that will ruin the moment for them. Explosive diarrhea might do the trick. Add your own sighs of relief to make it varied each time too.
 
[quote name='Anexanhume']Sounds like you need to play a recording that will ruin the moment for them. Explosive diarrhea might do the trick. Add your own sighs of relief to make it varied each time too.[/QUOTE]
This is the best post in this thread yet.
 
I've had similar problems with a former neighbor. At first I tried talking to him about it, but that didn't work. I started calling the police from then on, eventually taking it (along with copies of police reports and a log I kept of every noise incident) to our landlord, who promptly evicted the stupid SOB. Now I live in peace!
 
The thread got a lot of shitty posts to start but seems like some of the CAGS have been helpful. I have nothing new to add but I do find the white noise/fan noise to be a creative solution. For many years I always slept to the sound of a floor fan or ceiling fan. Plus it gets fucking hot in Texas. It was 90 degrees yesterday.
 
[quote name='ChernobylCow']The thread got a lot of shitty posts to start but seems like some of the CAGS have been helpful. I have nothing new to add but I do find the white noise/fan noise to be a creative solution. For many years I always slept to the sound of a floor fan or ceiling fan. Plus it gets fucking hot in Texas. It was 90 degrees yesterday.[/quote]

Haha, thanks. Yeah, we actually even considered one of those "white noise machines" they sell in stores. But then I realized, "Why the fuck would I pay $30 for something I can create myself?!?" I never thought I'd have a recording session with a box fan, but it turned out better than I ever would have imagined. The best part is, you can control the volume till you find that "sweet spot". Really crank it up, and your neighbors will think you've got a prop plane in your apartment, haha :)
 
[quote name='ChernobylCow']The thread got a lot of shitty posts to start but seems like some of the CAGS have been helpful. I have nothing new to add but I do find the white noise/fan noise to be a creative solution. For many years I always slept to the sound of a floor fan or ceiling fan. Plus it gets fucking hot in Texas. It was 90 degrees yesterday.[/quote]

Yeah man BP totally pwns Grid you are totally right on that.
Now I can also hijack a thread for my own agenda.

However, Gears2 sucks
 
[quote name='joe2187']I can honestly and truthfully say...I have never felt fear in the presence of anyone of Asian ethnicity.[/quote]

That's good. We plan it that way so that if we decide to "vote you off the island" you won't try running till it's too late.
 
How to Get Neighbors to Turn Down the Volume

It's 2 in the morning. You're lying in bed trying to sleep because you have a big meeting tomorrow morning. You feel a pounding sensation in your head. At first, you think it's a headache. But then you realize that it's the funky disco beat blasting from your next-door neighbor's stereo, reverberating through your bedroom and rattling your windows.
Before you pound on the neighbor's door and yell something you'll regret, or, even worse, resign yourself to living with the noise, try some more constructive alternatives.
1. Talk to Your Neighbor

Your first step is to talk to your neighbor and try to resolve your differences in person. It's hard to believe, but sometimes neighbors are not aware that they are causing a disturbance. Even if you're ready to punch somebody's lights out, try a little sugar instead.
2. Get a Copy of Your Local Ordinance

Your next step is to get a copy of your local noise laws. Most cities and counties have ordinances that control the times, types and loudness of noise. For example, many local ordinances prohibit unreasonable vehicle noise (like honking the car horn early every morning for a carpool) or dogs barking all night long every night. Noisy neighbors are in for a warning or even a fine. You can look up your local ordinance at city hall, a public law library or the public library. Make at least two copies of it, one for your neighbor and one for yourself.
3. Warn Your Neighbor in Writing

If things don't improve, ask your neighbor again--this time in writing--to quiet down. Don't make threats, but state that if the situation doesn't improve you'll be forced to notify the authorities. Enclose a copy of the noise ordinance. Keep a copy of your letter; you'll need it if, as a last resort, you later sue your neighbor.
4. Suggest Mediation

Most cities offer free or low-cost mediation services, which means they provide an impartial mediator who will sit down with you and your neighbor and try to help you resolve your differences.
Just call the mediation service; someone there will contact the neighbor and suggest mediation. (These people are very good at convincing others to give mediation a chance.)
5. Call the Police

If you have done all of the above and your neighbor has responded by turning up the volume, now is the time to call the police (or the Animal Control officer if the problem is a barking dog). Try to get the police to come while the noise is occurring.
Of course, you can call the police on a noisy neighbor the first time the music gets too loud for your taste. But the police will be more sympathetic to your situation if they see that you have tried to solve the problem on your own.
6. Sue for Nuisance

If all else fails, you can get your neighbor's attention-and maybe some money-by suing in small claims court. You can sue your neighbor for nuisance if your neighbor's noise unreasonably interferes with your enjoyment of your property. In the lawsuit, you ask for money to compensate you for the interference with your right to peacefully enjoy your home.
Small claims court is easy and inexpensive, and you don't need a lawyer. You will need to show the following:

  • There is excessive and disturbing noise.
  • Your enjoyment of your property is diminished.
  • You have asked the person to stop the noise (your letter should be enough to prove this).
To prove your case, you can use police reports, witnesses, recordings, your own testimony and the testimony of neighbors or other witnesses.
The amount you'll want to ask for will depend on how much the noise bothered you. Did you lose sleep? Were you unable to carry on your usual activities, such as reading, playing music or talking to friends? Decide on a reasonable dollar amount per day, and multiply that figure by the number of days you've been seriously bothered. The amount of money you can ask for in small claims court is limited, between $2,000 and $5,000 in most states.
If You're a Tenant

Noisy neighbors are always bad news. But when you share walls with the insensitive neighbor, the problem is especially vexing. The good news for renters is that, in addition to all your other options, you have built-in allies in the battle to keep your apartment livable: your lease or rental agreement and your landlord.
Remember the lease or rental agreement you signed? Chances are your neighbor signed one too. Standard leases and rental agreements contain clauses that entitle you to "quiet enjoyment" of your home. A neighbor who is blasting the stereo in an unreasonable manner is probably violating the lease or rental agreement and can be evicted for doing so.
If you warn your neighbor about the noise in writing and are sure that your lease entitles you to a reasonable amount of quiet, send a copy of the lease along with your letter. In your letter, tell the neighbor that the next complaint will be to the landlord or neighborhood association if the noise continues.
If warning your neighbor doesn't work, go to your landlord. Most tenants don't like to complain to the landlord or manager about unreasonable noise or other nuisances because they are afraid of being branded as troublemakers. But other neighbors are probably bothered by the noise too. Get together with them and complain to the landlord as a group. It's easier and you might get faster results. Most landlords don't want arguments between tenants and won't put up with tenants who cause trouble by ignoring signed lease or rental agreements. Your landlord will probably tell the noisy tenant to pipe down or face eviction.
 
" Mr. DoK’s Fiance and Ms. DoK spoke to Patti Mayonnaise,..."

I used to love watching that show Doug when I was a kid....Doo, doo, doo..doo-doo-doo.....:whistle2:\":whistle2:\"
 
at approximately 10:00 A.M., Ms. DoK (Ms. DoK), the fiancée and guest during Ms. DoK’s Spring Break of Mr. DoK’s Fiance (Mr. DoK’s Fiance), tenant of 4120 , was woken up by loud music coming from 4118 . Mr. DoK’s Fiance was at work at the time and not present. Ms. DoK attempted to continue to sleep and try to ignore the music but could not.

10:00 AM and your're still sleeping? And then you tried to go BACK to sleep? I miss college...
 
karasu-tengu makes all the important points.

In case you weren't already planning on it, don't deliver the letter to the apt. management in person, send it through the USPS via certified first class w/return receipt. You'll know they received it, as they have to sign for it, plus it gives the notice a little more of an "official" stance to it.

As you've documented time and dates, then that should give them a point of reference. I'd make sure to check your lease agreement for any specific terms for noise pollution and what they consider to be "acceptable" amounts of noise. The fact that it's going on at 10AM is a little less in your favor, since it's the "normal" time most people would be out of the apartment and at work/school/whatever. If it was at earlier in the AM or late in the PM, it would be better for you to deal with it.

I'd file the letter with the apt. management and make sure you put in the letter that you're asking for them to speak with the other tenant about this issue. I'd give them a few days to deal with this, and then call them and ask them if they talked with the other tenant. Regardless if they have or they haven't, put the conversation in writing and send that to the management office, also certified/return receipt. If they haven't done anything about the issue, and it happens again, call the cops and start getting them involved.
 
Well didn't read this thread again before we hand-delivered it to the apartment management. Oh well. It would have been a good idea to have sent it with delivery confirmation, too. The same woman from yesterday (Patti Mayonnaise) was there again today and she said she already left a note for them. There was no noise this morning but the dirtbag was likely on a business trip from what he said during the confrontation yesterday.

The 10AM noise was not a big deal, but it was usually at 8AM or after 10-11PM at night. It just so happened that I went to confront him about the 10AM noise and he decided to have his dog assault me and act like an asshole. Remember we also documented in the letter the disturbances at 11PM the previous night, and also the incident about a month ago at 8 AM.

[quote name='Number83']10:00 AM and your're still sleeping? And then you tried to go BACK to sleep? I miss college...[/QUOTE]
Spring Break ftw. Usually wake up earlier on weekdays.
 
I have this same issue with someone next to me. Only issue is I don't live in an apartment. All I can do is call the cops and this city claims to have no law against loud noise. Also he seems to turn it down just before the cops show up when they do show up. The cops are sick of being called about it but do nothing other then yell at him and his friends. So they end up making it worse and then he just turns it back up. They say it is not that loud but I also live near a bar and his shit is louder then the bar.

Looks like you might be able to do somthing about it unlike me.
 
[quote name='shieryda']No one should have to wear earplugs in their own apartment just because of some asshole neighbor.

That's just ridiculous.[/quote]

I disagree with this statement on the grounds that if you're attempting to do something outside of what would reasonably be considered "normal" (ie. sleeping past 10am, working 3rd shift, raising a baby in a college atmosphere, etc.), by living in an apartment setting, you HAVE to make concessions to continue your desired lifestyle.

However, I also believe the reverse to be true. You can't live in an apartment and expect to be able to throw wild, loud ass parties that last till 4am. You can play your "neccessary" loud music at 8am. When sharing walls with somebody, you have to make a distinction between what is reasonable and what is not. The problem is, most people can't see past themselves to make this distinction, which is why the rental offices should. There's too much gray area here.

Not having to worry about these limitations (to a certain extent anyway) is one of the benefits of owning a house. You can't expect the same thing when you rent. Under "normal" circumstances, wearing earplugs in your apartment IS ridiculous. But if you want to quietly read a book at 3pm and your neighbor wants to play guitar, what gives you more of a right to enjoy life than them? They're not preventing you from sleeping. You're just saying your lifestyle if more valid than theirs. Either learn to block it out, find something to help you block it out, or move out.
 
So any interesting updates? By the way.. 95lbs? Woweee. My girlfriend is 5'4 and 105 and she's slender as hell.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I disagree with this statement on the grounds that if you're attempting to do something outside of what would reasonably be considered "normal" (ie. sleeping past 10am, working 3rd shift, raising a baby in a college atmosphere, etc.), by living in an apartment setting, you HAVE to make concessions to continue your desired lifestyle.

However, I also believe the reverse to be true. You can't live in an apartment and expect to be able to throw wild, loud ass parties that last till 4am. You can play your "neccessary" loud music at 8am. When sharing walls with somebody, you have to make a distinction between what is reasonable and what is not. The problem is, most people can't see past themselves to make this distinction, which is why the rental offices should. There's too much gray area here.

Not having to worry about these limitations (to a certain extent anyway) is one of the benefits of owning a house. You can't expect the same thing when you rent. Under "normal" circumstances, wearing earplugs in your apartment IS ridiculous. But if you want to quietly read a book at 3pm and your neighbor wants to play guitar, what gives you more of a right to enjoy life than them? They're not preventing you from sleeping. You're just saying your lifestyle if more valid than theirs. Either learn to block it out, find something to help you block it out, or move out.[/QUOTE]

The thing is if your neighbor wants to play the guitar they don't have to play it at 11. They can play it at a low valume and it not be bothersome. Or if their amp has a headphone jack they can plug in headphones. Point is the person making the noise can do things so that others don't hear it. As for owning a house you could always end up like me with that one neighbor that is a jackass that moves in and does what ever he wants and the cops dont give two shits.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I disagree with this statement on the grounds that if you're attempting to do something outside of what would reasonably be considered "normal" (ie. sleeping past 10am, working 3rd shift, raising a baby in a college atmosphere, etc.), by living in an apartment setting, you HAVE to make concessions to continue your desired lifestyle.

However, I also believe the reverse to be true. You can't live in an apartment and expect to be able to throw wild, loud ass parties that last till 4am. You can play your "neccessary" loud music at 8am. When sharing walls with somebody, you have to make a distinction between what is reasonable and what is not. The problem is, most people can't see past themselves to make this distinction, which is why the rental offices should. There's too much gray area here.
[/QUOTE]

I agree. It does cut both ways. When your sharing walls (or have houses a couple feet away) you can seldom make a ton of noise and should be quiet during common sense ours (say 9 or 10pm to 9 am or so).

But by the same token, when you live in such a place you can't have an expectation of absolute quiet especially outside of the common sense hours above. I mean you shouldn't have to put up with music so loud you can't think or bass shaking shit in your apartment at any time of the day, but you're going to hear music, yelling, loud TVs from time to time--and most likely your neighbors are going to hear yours from time to time.

And expectations will vary from the type of environment. If you're in a college town and living in an apartment complex full of undergrads you're going to have to be willing to tolerate more noise than you would in other places full of families and people getting up for work in the morning etc.

It's just a balancing act. It sucks to have neighbors who don't give a shit and make a ton of noise at all hours. And it also sucks to have neighbors with weird schedules complaining about normal noise in the afternoon etc. If you're going to live in an apartment, condo etc. you have to be willing both to not make unreasonable noise yourself and also to accept that you're going to hear your neighbors especially in the day and evening and be willing to tolerate reasonable amounts of noise at reasonable hours.
 
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