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Ok with EA topping out MAPS at 1 million at sales I dont mind, but unlocking stuff thats already on the disc and charging for it is absolute crap. Point being when a game releases there is absolutely NO way that any content could be available within 2 weeks for any kind of "premium" or pricing b/c it should have been on the disc in the first place. Game companies are turning into drug dealers in a sense by lettin you try a little then charging you for it but again the big catch is there is no possible way the can create new content so fast that its stupid. Good example is EA with LOTR battle for middle earth 2...$8.75 for 4 maps that were "supposed" to be free with pre-order or even in another example use Dead Rising, free is great and all but 6 or 8 new costumes the same day as release? Comon that is nice and all but looks more like bullshite. I really really hope more and more companies dont abuse the customer with this jazz....maps im all for but they better be new and not "re lit" or already content on a disc
 
Hahaha, I like the content i dont like the fact they can "hold back" things from release just to charge for it....its more of a thoughts on this kinda topic, ya know like a message board...lol
 
Isn't the Dead Rising content free? I don't see how releasing free content the day a game comes out is a problem, except for people who don't have Live.
 
Why weren't the Dead Rising keys + costumes just included in the game if they were going to give them to your free?
 
Its the whole point of nickel and diming the hell out of you. Just you people saying thats whining like a baby wait till you get a game only to have to drop at least half of what it cost about a month or so later for stuff that you'll need.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Its the whole point of nickel and diming the hell out of you. Just you people saying thats whining like a baby wait till you get a game only to have to drop at least half of what it cost about a month or so later for stuff that you'll need.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure something like this will never happen. I'm pretty sure the general populace would catch on through word of mouth, reviews, etc and the game would tank in sales. I really couldn't see a $60 incomplete game getting sold, and then having to spend $30 to "add in" missing features... I think even Microsoft would put a stop to it, as it would tend to give the 360 a very bad name.

I don't see what the problem is... if the content is good enough, then yea, I'll pay to get it, espically since alot of it was done after the game has already shipped. No one is saying that Rare has to keep making content for Kameo, or Bizarre has to keep making content for PGR 3, they could have stopped long ago. It's cool to see they are still supporting their older games.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Why weren't the Dead Rising keys + costumes just included in the game if they were going to give them to your free?[/QUOTE]


This is what i was getting at^^^^^^ & Lord OF the rings content as well it was supposed to be a free with pre-order that just vanished
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Why weren't the Dead Rising keys + costumes just included in the game if they were going to give them to your free?[/QUOTE]

There might have been costumes they finished up after the game had already gone gold. The basic framework could have been done, they were just finishing the tweaking of them and they probably didn't feel it was necessary to delay the game just for the costumes, when they can finish them in the two week period the game goes gold to the stores.
 
[quote name='Brak']The thing with Battle for Middle-Earth is a joke.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I can see the dead rising part about not delaying the game for it, but the middle earth stuff is crazy...real crazy at 8.75 for 4 maps
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Its the whole point of nickel and diming the hell out of you. Just you people saying thats whining like a baby wait till you get a game only to have to drop at least half of what it cost about a month or so later for stuff that you'll need.[/QUOTE]


You're right. The sky is falling. Alert Chicken Little. He was right. He was right.

You've got no evidence of such a practice in any shape or form. Was the Oblivion content necessary to complete the main storyline? No you say? Well, what about GRAW Chapter 2? You mean the game still plays without downloading that piece of content?

The EA thing shouldn't come as a surprise since they announced in June of their plot

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151256

But, that being said, I think the whole pre-order code was a cluster fuck nightmare and should have been offered for free as a thank you for tolerating their shit servers and worse customer service.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']You're right. The sky is falling. Alert Chicken Little. He was right. He was right.

You've got no evidence of such a practice in any shape or form. Was the Oblivion content necessary to complete the main storyline? No you say? Well, what about GRAW Chapter 2? You mean the game still plays without downloading that piece of content?

The EA thing shouldn't come as a surprise since they announced in June of their plot

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151256

But, that being said, I think the whole pre-order code was a cluster fuck nightmare and should have been offered for free as a thank you for tolerating their shit servers and worse customer service.[/quote]

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. So go back to being a naive chicken little, so that the wolf may eat you
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. So go back to being a naive chicken little, so that the wolf may eat you[/QUOTE]

You were a very negative person, when you were growing up, right Snatcher?

For you to say, out of all the infinite possibilites to occur, that this certain event is inevitable seems abit......harsh. For all you know tomorrow EA coulf turn into a charitable company and give all their content away for free.

Not only that, but when people have tried this sort of system of releasing content and them charging for nescessary updates it has pretty much failed. There is no MMO that does not work with only buying the basic game, there is no consumer product that out of the box does not do what is needed for it and if you want free things for your games. Then go to PC, because mods (for example player created maps) will be free for the most part.

But if you ask me if paying for companies to add additional content after we have fulfilled our contract (the shrink wrap license) then I think they should be compensated for it. They are not charging for updates, they are charging for additional content, which you are not entitled too.
 
Saying 'just don't buy it' is a half-assed answer. It's not like we all don't want to play the extra content, we would more often if it were always free. It's that we don't want to pay money for stuff that could have easily been included with a game. You say that certain content wouldn't have made it in time? Push the release date forward some. We've been doing it for a long time, and it seems to work out alright.
 
How many maps come with the game ? If its somthing like 4 and then you have to buy the next 4 then thats ridiculous. If they give you 8 maps and then you have to pick up the next 4 for $8 then thats not so bad. Also EA most likely had two teams working on the game. One team working on the campaign and the other working on Multiplayer. They were working on all the multiplayer maps at the same time, its not like they took a few month off and then came back to work on the new 4 maps, so to say its additional content is obsurd. What it comes down to is paying $70 for a game and so called additional content within a few weeks of launch. You can also argue the point that EA is taking a risk with this game, as no RTS game has been sucessful on a console. They run the risk of the new content not selling well. By releasing it after launch they can catch alot of sales from the early buyers.
 
Think of it like this. The game is done. Its now available at the store. Why should the Game Developers keep making conent for free? The game you are now playing is complete. They are going back to it, spending hours and hours to make new costumes/levels/maps/weapons for free? To do all that work costs $. Why should they not be able to get some?
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Think of it like this. The game is done. Its now available at the store. Why should the Game Developers keep making conent for free? The game you are now playing is complete. They are going back to it, spending hours and hours to make new costumes/levels/maps/weapons for free? To do all that work costs $. Why should they not be able to get some?[/quote]
Because they've been doing it for free for years on the PC. Why shouldn't extra content be free as a thank you to those people who bought the game? I can't imagine making a few extra levels costing all that much time and money.
 
If they want to sell content in the future it is fine. However when you have to buy a game on release date and have to pay extra money for more conetent there is a problem.
 
[quote name='62t']If they want to sell content in the future it is fine. However when you have to buy a game on release date and have to pay extra money for more content there is a problem.[/QUOTE]

Why?

If you buy the full game such as Dead Rising, and then there are miscellaneous items like costumes in the online store, why do you have a right to them? They are not a requirement of the game nor were they probably made during the development of the game. More likely then not, they developed these small add-ons during pressing and testing, while Q/A were doing there job. They are looking to recoup their money, so they provide as much content to the player at release, hoping to catch the fans.

[quote name='Kaijufan']Because they've been doing it for free for years on the PC. Why shouldn't extra content be free as a thank you to those people who bought the game? I can't imagine making a few extra levels costing all that much time and money.[/QUOTE]

That is simple kindness, but that does not mean every publisher or developer has to indulge in such activity. Nor should it be excited, that is the exception; it is far from the rule.

A good example is in MMO, in COH and COV each issue (big update) expands the game world with new areas. On the other hand, in FFXI my coworker says new areas only come with the paid expansions. Does it make FFXI a worse game, no it just is a different work ethic.
 
[quote name='dwhelan']
That is simple kindness, but that does not mean every publisher or developer has to indulge in such activity. Nor should it be excited, that is the exception; it is far from the rule.

A good example is in MMO, in COH and COV each issue (big update) expands the game world with new areas. On the other hand, in FFXI my coworker says new areas only come with the paid expansions. Does it make FFXI a worse game, no it just is a different work ethic.[/quote] City of Heroes, City of Villains, and and Final Fantasy XI are all MMORPGs. You're going to have to be a subscriber to get the extra content for those games.

I can only think of a few PC games (aside from those also on consoles like Oblivion) that required the user to buy the extra stuff the developers create after the game comes out. Of course PC games often have level editors, and if people can download maps for free why would they pay for them?
Really the only PC games I can think of that has extra content for sale are Neverwinter Nights and Battlefield 2, though I could be missing some.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']City of Heroes, City of Villains, and and Final Fantasy XI are all MMORPGs. You're going to have to be a subscriber to get the extra content for those games.

I can only think of a few PC games (aside from those also on consoles like Oblivion) that required the user to buy the extra stuff the developers create after the game comes out. Of course PC games often have level editors, and if people can download maps for free why would they pay for them?
Really the only PC games I can think of that has extra content for sale are Neverwinter Nights and Battlefield 2, though I could be missing some.[/QUOTE]

No, you still have to buy the expansion for many MMORPGs in addition to the monthly subscription.

Activision recently made much of the excellent revneue they've achieved with add-on content. So they'll have every reason to continue.

Game companies have only recently gotten comfortable with selling DLC thanks to broadband becoming widespread. But the PC realm has had additional game content at retail for over a decade. The number of PC game boxes that carried a label reading "MUST HAVE GAME X TO PLAY THIS EXPANSION" is in the hundreds since the CD-ROM became the standard for distribution.

It isn't slowing down. Just try to keep track of all the SIMS add-ons that require the original game or its successor.

You can bet that if the infrastructure had been in place, Nintendo would have a way to sell you more breeds of Nintendogs with a doenload rather than a separate ROM. Such offerings will likely abound on the Wii. They've been working towards that since the NES days but the market conditions were never right. The prevalence of broadband and cheap mass storage on flash memory makes the coming console generation the one where this all comes together.

It also means this is the generation where they have to figure out what works and what doesn't in terms of value and what can be sold vs. what is better given away to draw more people to a game after its release. Mistakes will be made and consumers will simply vote with their wallets.
 
[quote name='Daddy']Hahaha, I like the content i dont like the fact they can "hold back" things from release just to charge for it....its more of a thoughts on this kinda topic, ya know like a message board...lol[/quote]

EA is not the only one that does it.. listen.. if you don't want this to happen stop paying.. that is only way to get the point across...
 
LOTR is the only game that the servers are "down" when i try to play MP on LIVE but then they want 8.75 for 4 maps...ahhahah
 
He brought up a good point, which was it's bullshit to later charge for stuff that's already on the disc -- like Battle for Middle-Earth II.

Specifically, those maps were supposed to be free with preorders... but they didn't hold up their end of the bargain. Rather, later, they charge us for the "free" maps, which are already on the disc.

Other than that, I don't have a problem downloading content that's worth it, and not download content that isn't worth it.
 
I really don't think the issue here is the current "pay to play" items around the market. The problem is the possible bleak future this could cause.. I don't think anyone can deny seeing a future where game developers release a half-complete game for $60 realizing they can get another $25 out of customers if they hold enough back.

Given the generally positive support to the current market structure.. I don't see too many companies seeing such a possible future move as being a terribly worrisome one.

It's alot like gas prices.. we bitched and moaned when gas hit $2.. now that it hit $3.. $2.50 seems cheap. We as consumers quickly grow used to the conditions of the market, no matter how skewed they grow against us. If this trend continues, it could easily grow into my earlier prediction.. and if it happens slowly, the complaining (and drop in sales) will be negligible.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I'm all ready on the "I told you so" wagon...[/QUOTE]


Yeah I hate to say it....saw stuff like this coming. Most people see my PS3 posts and think I fanboy it up to MS, truth is all 3 companies have bad dirt. The industry as a whole is going down a very odd path, what will be next? So how much do we think DLC in the form of digital distribution of tv shows or movies will cost (its coming)
 
[quote name='Daddy']Yeah I hate to say it....saw stuff like this coming. Most people see my PS3 posts and think I fanboy it up to MS, truth is all 3 companies have bad dirt. The industry as a whole is going down a very odd path, what will be next? So how much do we think DLC in the form of digital distribution of tv shows or movies will cost (its coming)[/quote]

I hate to even think about how much they want to rape us for movies and TV shows. But if they're going to do it, esp MS, they're gonna need to release bigger hard drives...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I hate to even think about how much they want to rape us for movies and TV shows. But if they're going to do it, esp MS, they're gonna need to release bigger hard drives...[/QUOTE]


Bigger Hd....Wouldnt ya know it that would be just about the same time that DLC will be ready! Coincidence or the fact there has been no more mention of bigger Hd drives for sale?
 
[quote name='Daddy']Bigger Hd....Wouldnt ya know it that would be just about the same time that DLC will be ready! Coincidence or the fact there has been no more mention of bigger Hd drives for sale?[/quote]

I know. Personally, I'm not paying to download episodes of a show. I have the intarweb and my DVR for that. Movies are a different story, but I'd rather stick with just renting the DVD or even paying for it on my cables OnDemand service
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I know. Personally, I'm not paying to download episodes of a show. I have the intarweb and my DVR for that. Movies are a different story, but I'd rather stick with just renting the DVD or even paying for it on my cables OnDemand service[/QUOTE]


I just find it soooo funny that the whole Bigger HD drives disappeared and no one remembers it....then all the sudden either PS3 will have bigger so MS needs bigger or tv/movies become available then Boom 100gig-300gig HD drives released ...abahbah
 
I really wish MS would have at least gone with say a 60 gig HD. It just pisses me off that you buy a 20 gig hd and once you get it, its all ready over half taken up. Even after you get rid of the stuff they put on there, like the trailers and such, you're still left with half or little less left over.

Hell, you can easily max the hell out of it with downloading demos...
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']I really wish MS would have at least gone with say a 60 gig HD. It just pisses me off that you buy a 20 gig hd and once you get it, its all ready over half taken up. Even after you get rid of the stuff they put on there, like the trailers and such, you're still left with half or little less left over.

Hell, you can easily max the hell out of it with downloading demos...[/QUOTE]


Just use an external hd in the mean time for music,pic and the xbox 360 hd for demos....you cant just leave all the demos on your drive besides you played em...it turns into more of a showcase to show your friends anyway
 
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The best part is mmn will have to eat it "if" the lumines turns out to be true...


PS- You wanna see bitching? Go to the Xbox forums...uggghhhh
 
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