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DS. It's hard scientific fact that it rules.
PSP's suckage is equal to DS's rockingness.
PSP's suckage is equal to DS's rockingness.
ds or psp Wish one do u think is going to be the #1 Portable Video game system
[quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='guessed'][quote name='AlbinoNinja']DS
i cant see anyone paying the same for a handheld system as a normal one (PSP)[/quote]
DS is $150, Xbox is $150, PS2/Two is $150. I think you mean you can't see anyone paying double the price of a home console for a portable. Unless you are anticipating pricing on the PS3 and Xbox Next, but they are even further away than the PSP. DS will be here in less than a month, woohoo.[/quote]
Hey, Watson, I'm pretty sure his point is about launch prices. And the DS may possibly be greater than many if not most console launch prices. (N64 and GCN launches = $199.)[/quote]
My name isn't Watson, you must be thinking of someone else. Launch price is irrelevant -- concurrent prices are relevant. 30 years ago, one could have bought a new car for under $2000, but that doesn't keep one from spending much more than that on a used car today. Intelligent purchasing decisions are based on what else is currently available, and what is currently available is a selection of home systems for $150 or less each. It is true, that one of the options currently available is to wait for the next generation home systems, but I addressed that in my original post -- the launch date is too far away to make a real impact. Do you understand that, "Watson".
Edit: And by the way, I am pretty sure you mean that the PSP, not the DS, may launch at a higher price than most home consoles.
i cant see anyone paying the same for a handheld system as a normal one (PSP)[/quote]
DS is $150, Xbox is $150, PS2/Two is $150. I think you mean you can't see anyone paying double the price of a home console for a portable. Unless you are anticipating pricing on the PS3 and Xbox Next, but they are even further away than the PSP. DS will be here in less than a month, woohoo.[/quote]
Hey, Watson, I'm pretty sure his point is about launch prices. And the DS may possibly be greater than many if not most console launch prices. (N64 and GCN launches = $199.)[/quote]
My name isn't Watson, you must be thinking of someone else. Launch price is irrelevant -- concurrent prices are relevant. 30 years ago, one could have bought a new car for under $2000, but that doesn't keep one from spending much more than that on a used car today. Intelligent purchasing decisions are based on what else is currently available, and what is currently available is a selection of home systems for $150 or less each. It is true, that one of the options currently available is to wait for the next generation home systems, but I addressed that in my original post -- the launch date is too far away to make a real impact. Do you understand that, "Watson".
Edit: And by the way, I am pretty sure you mean that the PSP, not the DS, may launch at a higher price than most home consoles.
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better ds but i think the psp will be more fun but for 300 bucks it wont sell
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I think the DS will be a better system, but PSP will probably be more popular. Actually, I think the GBA SP will be the best overall, but you only gave two options. Just seems like the PSP has problems it can't get over...
Since the DS comes with a stylus it would be nice if it cld function as something besides a portable game machine. What is the possibility that Nintendo will make an add on to give it palm capabilities? I know this is a stretch b/ it would be a lot easier to cart the thing around in public (planes, train, office) if it did more. As it stands now I have brought my SP to work a couple of times and I play near the end of the day w/ no sound and my door closed. People also give you interesting looks when a grown azz man is playing the same game as a 7 year old sitting across the aisle. :x
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[quote name='Bivensra']Since the DS comes with a stylus it would be nice if it cld function as something besides a portable game machine. What is the possibility that Nintendo will make an add on to give it palm capabilities? I know this is a stretch b/ it would be a lot easier to cart the thing around in public (planes, train, office) if it did more. As it stands now I have brought my SP to work a couple of times and I play near the end of the day w/ no sound and my door closed. People also give you interesting looks when a grown azz man is playing the same game as a 7 year old sitting across the aisle. :x[/quote]
Um...it does. It serves as a wireless communication device, and I'm sure some PDA-functionality software will come out eventually. And if you're worried about people looking at you when you play games, then you need to be less self-consious. Are you playing games to look good? No. And I don't think playing games looks weird...
Um...it does. It serves as a wireless communication device, and I'm sure some PDA-functionality software will come out eventually. And if you're worried about people looking at you when you play games, then you need to be less self-consious. Are you playing games to look good? No. And I don't think playing games looks weird...
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[quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='spyhunterk19']We need a new poll
*WITCH* Cag user has the worst grammer.[/quote]
It's spelled grammar.[/quote]0
*WITCH* Cag user has the worst grammer.[/quote]
It's spelled grammar.[/quote]0
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[quote name='jetblac']The DS looks so stupid to me. the second screen serves no purpose. wait and see. meanwhile PSP will be hot like fire. Don't you know Sony is going to force nintendo to recall that piece of shit[/quote]
I agree that the PSP will probably be more successful than people on this board are predicting, but there is no way that it's going to completely knock Nintendo out of the handheld market. In fact, last week it was #3 for console sales in Japan (and the thing isn't even out till December over there). Plus, basing things on this poll and polls of the same topic on other boards, we can see that the DS will have at least some base in America even before the PSP finishes it's launch plan.
The PSP has the potential to take a large share of the market, but it would be much more akin to the PSX/N64 era than the PS2/Dreamcast era of gaming if they did manage to steal some of Nintendo's thunder.
I agree that the PSP will probably be more successful than people on this board are predicting, but there is no way that it's going to completely knock Nintendo out of the handheld market. In fact, last week it was #3 for console sales in Japan (and the thing isn't even out till December over there). Plus, basing things on this poll and polls of the same topic on other boards, we can see that the DS will have at least some base in America even before the PSP finishes it's launch plan.
The PSP has the potential to take a large share of the market, but it would be much more akin to the PSX/N64 era than the PS2/Dreamcast era of gaming if they did manage to steal some of Nintendo's thunder.
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Hmm, a system with just about all of it's vital information know vs a machine that won't be launching for about 6 months and most of it's functionality and vital information is unknown.
Gee, I wonder why people would overwhelmingly say DS.
Of course, anyone who would blindly say PSP will be worlds better than the DS at this point must be very easily swayed by PR and perception... slim to none is known about the PSP... save to developers.
Gee, I wonder why people would overwhelmingly say DS.
Of course, anyone who would blindly say PSP will be worlds better than the DS at this point must be very easily swayed by PR and perception... slim to none is known about the PSP... save to developers.
Actually, I don't think either machine will attain the #1 position in the portable gaming market. The GBA SP is currently selling extremely well. Despite it's lower retail price its sales revenue for the most recent figures was greater than all the other game systems combined. This is going to be a major development target for a long time to come. I'd expect the next #1 to be the next system to actually be labeled GameBoy.
Regardless of other features the one critical factor is that it will launch at $100 or less. This insures a cost of entry that is high parent compatible, especially in families where multiple unit must be bought to cover each child. Those low friction unit sales build the installed base very quickly and soon dominates developer investment.
Regardless of other features the one critical factor is that it will launch at $100 or less. This insures a cost of entry that is high parent compatible, especially in families where multiple unit must be bought to cover each child. Those low friction unit sales build the installed base very quickly and soon dominates developer investment.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='Bivensra']Since the DS comes with a stylus it would be nice if it cld function as something besides a portable game machine. What is the possibility that Nintendo will make an add on to give it palm capabilities? I know this is a stretch b/ it would be a lot easier to cart the thing around in public (planes, train, office) if it did more. As it stands now I have brought my SP to work a couple of times and I play near the end of the day w/ no sound and my door closed. People also give you interesting looks when a grown azz man is playing the same game as a 7 year old sitting across the aisle. :x[/quote]
Um...it does. It serves as a wireless communication device, and I'm sure some PDA-functionality software will come out eventually. And if you're worried about people looking at you when you play games, then you need to be less self-consious. Are you playing games to look good? No. And I don't think playing games looks weird...[/quote]
There were a few attempts at this on the B&W GameBoy but that was a much more limited platform and the cost of ROM orders of magnitude greater than today. There is some cool potential for stuff targeting students like dictionary/thesaurus/reference apps, language translation, complex graphic calculators. (How soon before some hacks out an HP-48 or TI-82 emulator?)
Um...it does. It serves as a wireless communication device, and I'm sure some PDA-functionality software will come out eventually. And if you're worried about people looking at you when you play games, then you need to be less self-consious. Are you playing games to look good? No. And I don't think playing games looks weird...[/quote]
There were a few attempts at this on the B&W GameBoy but that was a much more limited platform and the cost of ROM orders of magnitude greater than today. There is some cool potential for stuff targeting students like dictionary/thesaurus/reference apps, language translation, complex graphic calculators. (How soon before some hacks out an HP-48 or TI-82 emulator?)
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Definately the DS, better games and better price.
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[quote name='epobirs']Actually, I don't think either machine will attain the #1 position in the portable gaming market. The GBA SP is currently selling extremely well. Despite it's lower retail price its sales revenue for the most recent figures was greater than all the other game systems combined. This is going to be a major development target for a long time to come. I'd expect the next #1 to be the next system to actually be labeled GameBoy.
Regardless of other features the one critical factor is that it will launch at $100 or less. This insures a cost of entry that is high parent compatible, especially in families where multiple unit must be bought to cover each child. Those low friction unit sales build the installed base very quickly and soon dominates developer investment.[/quote]
I agree. In fact, there is still more compelling software that will be release for the GBA than the vast majority of what's been shown for the DS and PSP.
Sure, the early adopters will be all over the DS and PSP, but the GBA line is still likely to be the cash-cow.
Hopefully the DS doesn't segment the market to a point where both of them just get mediocre sales.
Sony's got issues too... it looks like thier back to thier awkward hardware specification again, and making developer program around thier shortfalls, place the burden of battery life management square upon the shoulders of developers.
If I were backing a software development house, I'd be telling my staff to budget the majority of our work towards the GBA, and then run maybe 1 or 2 projects on each of the newer platforms just to try to establish a presence.
Regardless of other features the one critical factor is that it will launch at $100 or less. This insures a cost of entry that is high parent compatible, especially in families where multiple unit must be bought to cover each child. Those low friction unit sales build the installed base very quickly and soon dominates developer investment.[/quote]
I agree. In fact, there is still more compelling software that will be release for the GBA than the vast majority of what's been shown for the DS and PSP.
Sure, the early adopters will be all over the DS and PSP, but the GBA line is still likely to be the cash-cow.
Hopefully the DS doesn't segment the market to a point where both of them just get mediocre sales.
Sony's got issues too... it looks like thier back to thier awkward hardware specification again, and making developer program around thier shortfalls, place the burden of battery life management square upon the shoulders of developers.
If I were backing a software development house, I'd be telling my staff to budget the majority of our work towards the GBA, and then run maybe 1 or 2 projects on each of the newer platforms just to try to establish a presence.
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[quote name='Parathod']I'm not sure if I understand the question properly. Is it asking which one will be more popular or which one will actually be better? And by which one will be better, are they asking which one will have better games or which one will have better design/features.
I voted for the DS, but I may have voted for the wrong reason. I mean, the DS will be more popular, but I don't know if it will have better games, and it's definitely inferior in terms of design/features. So, what exactly are we voting for here? If it's how much we personally like them, I don't think there is enough information on the PSP to really answer that question. We don't know price, battery life, updatability, or even how many/ what games will be available and when. So, "Witch" one we think will be #1, might be a lot different a few months from now.
Anyway, I only plan on getting the DS for right now.[/quote]
Parathod you make an excellent point as I was wondreing that myself when I was reading the question. It has some very bad grammar and he truly doesn't explain what he is referring to. Regardless, I believe that overall the DS will be the bigger seller against the PSP and will also have more innovation, what seems to be better software, better battery life, etc. At this point in time it just seems that the PSP is being extremely rushed to go up against the DS and that there are numerous bugs in it that frankly, I don't belive will be taken out by the time it is released to the public. I read somewhere that the PSP only started to be produced right before this year's E3. I have much more faith in Nintendo in making a better portable system. It seems that they understand what they are doing. I also feel that it will sell better because it will bring to the public and the gaming world in particular something different, and that is what they want after seeing systems just be repetitve. I'm not tryi8ng to sound like a Nintendo fany boy, but it is like they say, people want their systems to last longer and through innvation and better gameplay they will and not through some pretty pictures... I see a lot of innovation to come from the DS , but whether or not that will happen all depends on how well the designers and programmers take to the DS, whether or not companies are still willing to take chances with something different, and whether or not people will find the untapped innovation that lies in the DS.
I voted for the DS, but I may have voted for the wrong reason. I mean, the DS will be more popular, but I don't know if it will have better games, and it's definitely inferior in terms of design/features. So, what exactly are we voting for here? If it's how much we personally like them, I don't think there is enough information on the PSP to really answer that question. We don't know price, battery life, updatability, or even how many/ what games will be available and when. So, "Witch" one we think will be #1, might be a lot different a few months from now.
Anyway, I only plan on getting the DS for right now.[/quote]
Parathod you make an excellent point as I was wondreing that myself when I was reading the question. It has some very bad grammar and he truly doesn't explain what he is referring to. Regardless, I believe that overall the DS will be the bigger seller against the PSP and will also have more innovation, what seems to be better software, better battery life, etc. At this point in time it just seems that the PSP is being extremely rushed to go up against the DS and that there are numerous bugs in it that frankly, I don't belive will be taken out by the time it is released to the public. I read somewhere that the PSP only started to be produced right before this year's E3. I have much more faith in Nintendo in making a better portable system. It seems that they understand what they are doing. I also feel that it will sell better because it will bring to the public and the gaming world in particular something different, and that is what they want after seeing systems just be repetitve. I'm not tryi8ng to sound like a Nintendo fany boy, but it is like they say, people want their systems to last longer and through innvation and better gameplay they will and not through some pretty pictures... I see a lot of innovation to come from the DS , but whether or not that will happen all depends on how well the designers and programmers take to the DS, whether or not companies are still willing to take chances with something different, and whether or not people will find the untapped innovation that lies in the DS.
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[quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='Parathod']I'm not sure if I understand the question properly. Is it asking which one will be more popular or which one will actually be better? And by which one will be better, are they asking which one will have better games or which one will have better design/features.
I voted for the DS, but I may have voted for the wrong reason. I mean, the DS will be more popular, but I don't know if it will have better games, and it's definitely inferior in terms of design/features. So, what exactly are we voting for here? If it's how much we personally like them, I don't think there is enough information on the PSP to really answer that question. We don't know price, battery life, updatability, or even how many/ what games will be available and when. So, "Witch" one we think will be #1, might be a lot different a few months from now.
Anyway, I only plan on getting the DS for right now.[/quote]
Parathod you make an excellent point as I was wondreing that myself when I was reading the question. It has some very bad grammar and he truly doesn't explain what he is referring to. Regardless, I believe that overall the DS will be the bigger seller against the PSP and will also have more innovation, what seems to be better software, better battery life, etc. At this point in time it just seems that the PSP is being extremely rushed to go up against the DS and that there are numerous bugs in it that frankly, I don't belive will be taken out by the time it is released to the public. I read somewhere that the PSP only started to be produced right before this year's E3. I have much more faith in Nintendo in making a better portable system. It seems that they understand what they are doing. I also feel that it will sell better because it will bring to the public and the gaming world in particular something different, and that is what they want after seeing systems just be repetitve. I'm not tryi8ng to sound like a Nintendo fany boy, but it is like they say, people want their systems to last longer and through innvation and better gameplay they will and not through some pretty pictures... I see a lot of innovation to come from the DS , but whether or not that will happen all depends on how well the designers and programmers take to the DS, whether or not companies are still willing to take chances with something different, and whether or not people will find the untapped innovation that lies in the DS.[/quote]
HOLD ON THERE!!!!
it was a simple question.
which one was better.
we didnt ask for your life story.
jk dont hate
I voted for the DS, but I may have voted for the wrong reason. I mean, the DS will be more popular, but I don't know if it will have better games, and it's definitely inferior in terms of design/features. So, what exactly are we voting for here? If it's how much we personally like them, I don't think there is enough information on the PSP to really answer that question. We don't know price, battery life, updatability, or even how many/ what games will be available and when. So, "Witch" one we think will be #1, might be a lot different a few months from now.
Anyway, I only plan on getting the DS for right now.[/quote]
Parathod you make an excellent point as I was wondreing that myself when I was reading the question. It has some very bad grammar and he truly doesn't explain what he is referring to. Regardless, I believe that overall the DS will be the bigger seller against the PSP and will also have more innovation, what seems to be better software, better battery life, etc. At this point in time it just seems that the PSP is being extremely rushed to go up against the DS and that there are numerous bugs in it that frankly, I don't belive will be taken out by the time it is released to the public. I read somewhere that the PSP only started to be produced right before this year's E3. I have much more faith in Nintendo in making a better portable system. It seems that they understand what they are doing. I also feel that it will sell better because it will bring to the public and the gaming world in particular something different, and that is what they want after seeing systems just be repetitve. I'm not tryi8ng to sound like a Nintendo fany boy, but it is like they say, people want their systems to last longer and through innvation and better gameplay they will and not through some pretty pictures... I see a lot of innovation to come from the DS , but whether or not that will happen all depends on how well the designers and programmers take to the DS, whether or not companies are still willing to take chances with something different, and whether or not people will find the untapped innovation that lies in the DS.[/quote]
HOLD ON THERE!!!!
it was a simple question.
which one was better.
we didnt ask for your life story.
jk dont hate
[quote name='guessed'][quote name='MorPhiend'][quote name='guessed'][quote name='AlbinoNinja']DS
i cant see anyone paying the same for a handheld system as a normal one (PSP)[/quote]
DS is $150, Xbox is $150, PS2/Two is $150. I think you mean you can't see anyone paying double the price of a home console for a portable. Unless you are anticipating pricing on the PS3 and Xbox Next, but they are even further away than the PSP. DS will be here in less than a month, woohoo.[/quote]
Hey, Watson, I'm pretty sure his point is about launch prices. And the DS may possibly be greater than many if not most console launch prices. (N64 and GCN launches = $199.)[/quote]
My name isn't Watson, you must be thinking of someone else. Launch price is irrelevant -- concurrent prices are relevant. 30 years ago, one could have bought a new car for under $2000, but that doesn't keep one from spending much more than that on a used car today. Intelligent purchasing decisions are based on what else is currently available, and what is currently available is a selection of home systems for $150 or less each. It is true, that one of the options currently available is to wait for the next generation home systems, but I addressed that in my original post -- the launch date is too far away to make a real impact. Do you understand that, "Watson".
Edit: And by the way, I am pretty sure you mean that the PSP, not the DS, may launch at a higher price than most home consoles.[/quote]
First of all, thanks for acknowledging my mistake (I did mean the PSP). And I apologize for being a bit snappy. Anyway, I do now see your point. But my examples of console prices weren't meant to be drawn to any certain time period. My point is that if the DS, the PSP and a new home console were all released right now, today, the DS is economical, while the PSP would be near the console price or even exceed it, depending on which company's console were the one being released.
i cant see anyone paying the same for a handheld system as a normal one (PSP)[/quote]
DS is $150, Xbox is $150, PS2/Two is $150. I think you mean you can't see anyone paying double the price of a home console for a portable. Unless you are anticipating pricing on the PS3 and Xbox Next, but they are even further away than the PSP. DS will be here in less than a month, woohoo.[/quote]
Hey, Watson, I'm pretty sure his point is about launch prices. And the DS may possibly be greater than many if not most console launch prices. (N64 and GCN launches = $199.)[/quote]
My name isn't Watson, you must be thinking of someone else. Launch price is irrelevant -- concurrent prices are relevant. 30 years ago, one could have bought a new car for under $2000, but that doesn't keep one from spending much more than that on a used car today. Intelligent purchasing decisions are based on what else is currently available, and what is currently available is a selection of home systems for $150 or less each. It is true, that one of the options currently available is to wait for the next generation home systems, but I addressed that in my original post -- the launch date is too far away to make a real impact. Do you understand that, "Watson".
Edit: And by the way, I am pretty sure you mean that the PSP, not the DS, may launch at a higher price than most home consoles.[/quote]
First of all, thanks for acknowledging my mistake (I did mean the PSP). And I apologize for being a bit snappy. Anyway, I do now see your point. But my examples of console prices weren't meant to be drawn to any certain time period. My point is that if the DS, the PSP and a new home console were all released right now, today, the DS is economical, while the PSP would be near the console price or even exceed it, depending on which company's console were the one being released.
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Both look very cool though I've been leaning towards the ds camp for awhile. I can't wait to try out those dual screens and see what kinds of games can be made that utilize the touch aspect. I hope that they both survive though because what many people forget is that COMPETITION HELPS US! I like the ds more but i still might get the PSP.
[quote name='basketkase543']Both look very cool though I've been leaning towards the ds camp for awhile. I can't wait to try out those dual screens and see what kinds of games can be made that utilize the touch aspect. I hope that they both survive though because what many people forget is that COMPETITION HELPS US! I like the ds more but i still might get the PSP.[/quote]
I agree with you, just not the part about buying a PSP. But that could change if they have any more good news such as the (slightly good / a little better than expected) price point.
I agree with you, just not the part about buying a PSP. But that could change if they have any more good news such as the (slightly good / a little better than expected) price point.
[quote name='rockhero'][quote name='TomCloud9']DS (Nintendo) because of the stronghold on the handheld market.[/quote]
They also used to have a stronghold on the console market before Sony showed up..[/quote]
Ah, yes. True words of a Sony fan. Remember an obscure console called the Sega Genesis? Yes, today most gamers reminisce about the SNES and remember how great a system that was. But back in the day, you would have had a hard time skewing polling numbers to show a Nintendo stronghold on the console market. And the GameBoy is the highest selling system ever. No one can dispute that. (I know that the DS is not a new GBA, but it has backwards compatibility and is a handheld.) So, things are just a tad different.
But I do think that Sony will do whatever they have to do in order to make it in their first generation of handhelds. But I think that we'll have to wait until the next round for any chance of a dethroning.
The downfall of Nintendo as king of consoles had many factors. The least of which was Sony. The time was right back then. But now is the time where gamers want innovation, and not necessarily technology. Just look at the thread on here from awhile back asking if anyone was not looking forward to the next generation of consoles. Most CAGs said that they wanted to stick with what is here now. We've had enough generations of, "Wowy, look at that new technology, mommy." Gamers have grown up and changed. It's time that the way we play games changes too.
They also used to have a stronghold on the console market before Sony showed up..[/quote]
Ah, yes. True words of a Sony fan. Remember an obscure console called the Sega Genesis? Yes, today most gamers reminisce about the SNES and remember how great a system that was. But back in the day, you would have had a hard time skewing polling numbers to show a Nintendo stronghold on the console market. And the GameBoy is the highest selling system ever. No one can dispute that. (I know that the DS is not a new GBA, but it has backwards compatibility and is a handheld.) So, things are just a tad different.
But I do think that Sony will do whatever they have to do in order to make it in their first generation of handhelds. But I think that we'll have to wait until the next round for any chance of a dethroning.
The downfall of Nintendo as king of consoles had many factors. The least of which was Sony. The time was right back then. But now is the time where gamers want innovation, and not necessarily technology. Just look at the thread on here from awhile back asking if anyone was not looking forward to the next generation of consoles. Most CAGs said that they wanted to stick with what is here now. We've had enough generations of, "Wowy, look at that new technology, mommy." Gamers have grown up and changed. It's time that the way we play games changes too.
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Better playing or better selling?
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Ds, easy. Nintendo has the experience, the innovation, and the games! All the psp will be is a sony propierty format pushing POS. I don't want to play PS2 games on the road. Thats why I have a PS2. I want quick, fun, entertaining games to play on the road. How many of us really have the time to sit for an hour playing a handheld game? Thats right, not many. Plus, theres the fact the PSP will break the first time you play it... 
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