DS will deput with Mario 64?

If Nintendo wants the DS to be successful, they are going to have to do a lot more than release an seven year old port of an N64 game. It may be Mario but to really sell the idea they gotta bring out a completely original product that uses the dual screens and makes people wanna go out and buy it. It still bothers me that Nintendo hasn't released a new side-scrolling Mario for Gameboy Advance as they just focus on ports.
 
Basketkase, I'd really like to believe you in that Nintendo will have to do more than release old Mario games to make the DS successful, but it probably won't be the case. Just look at the GBA. A very good percentage of the games released for it are ports of NES, and SNES games, with most of the other titles being sequals or part of a series. Nintendo is getting notoriously bad about porting any old thing and laughing when everyone buys the game again. At least they still make great first party games once a year.
 
The sad truth is there are enough people out there getting excited about the exact same game year after year and go out and pay 50$ for it. If people would stop supporting crap, maybe it would dissapear.
 
But this I think this time is different though. The SP JUST released last year and now they are asking consumers to purchase a new product. This is not going to fly well with many parents who just bought the sp and with many of us. If Nintendo doesn't show some serious reason why people should opt out of buying the sp to buy the DS then they are in major trouble. I totally agree with you guys though, it is Nintendo and of course they will have ports. But they gotta be more careful this time and show us that they are gonna innovate on the dual screen aspect and deliver new games.
 
They really should start developing some new ideas. Viewtiful Joe was a step in the right direction I think.

As most gameboy games were snes ports, I really hope the games for DS arent just n64 ports.
 
There are some awesome games on 64 that could be ported... but..

That aside, I'm expecting a quality product.. I just don't.. know.. how they're going to design it. Visually. Ugly..?
 
[quote name='basketkase543'] If Nintendo doesn't show some serious reason why people should opt out of buying the sp to buy the DS then they are in major trouble. [/quote]
Nintendo's stance on the ds and the sp is that they are not in competition with one another. The better question would be is how will Nintendo convince people to get the ds and the sp.

Sorry about that. I hit submit by accident.
 
i dont know how the ds is not suppose to b the succesor to the gba advance. after it comes out, companies will either tend to go more towards one system or the other, and soon enuf i think the gba will b phased out since its hardware doesent come close to the ds. and correct me if im wrong, but i dont think ever b4 a company has juggled 2 of the same sytems at one time (more than 1 handheld or more than 1 console).
 
I can picture it now, Nintendo will release a "DS Player" add-on for the Cube (or their next home console) that will just be old N64s from the warehouse that they rewire to use the new media.
 
[quote name='guessed']I can picture it now, Nintendo will release a "DS Player" add-on for the Cube (or their next home console) that will just be old N64s from the warehouse that they rewire to use the new media.[/quote]

Neat. I think the GBP is really slick due to the fashion in which it attaches to the Gamecube. Those third party ones are so.. tacky.
 
While nintendo is sayin that the DS will act as its "third pillar" to coexist with the Sp and Cube, IGN has been hearing rumors about possible backwards compatibility with SP games. If this is the case, all of that "third pillar" crap will be tossed out because if there is a more powerful technology, the DS, that utilizes the software of primitve technology, the SP, then that is called a replacement. I don't think they can coexitst. Thats why the gameboy color died when the Advance came around, the better technology takes over.
 
[quote name='guessed']I can picture it now, Nintendo will release a "DS Player" add-on for the Cube (or their next home console) that will just be old N64s from the warehouse that they rewire to use the new media.[/quote]

Dont forget the optional "Sony and Nintendo optical drive from the 1990's" attachment, codename PSONE
 
I dunno, I am not really looking forward to playing Mario 64 all over again, but I would not mind a portable version of Goldeneye. One screen could have a map (if used it could be optional) and the other screen will be your character. Then use the rumored wireless capabilities to play the great multiplayer games.

With more buttons certain great SNES games could be re-released that have not yet. Personally I rather be playing ports and updates of NES and SNES, yet I don't feel all that excited about porting most of the N64 games.
 
It is possible for the ds to coexist with the sp even with backwards compatibility. Just take for example the original GBA and the SP. Even though the SP is the more superior product people are still buying the original GBA in good numbers.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']The sad truth is there are enough people out there getting excited about the exact same game year after year and go out and pay 50$ for it. If people would stop supporting crap, maybe it would dissapear.[/quote]

finally, someone who agrees with me :) the games are good but come on. Get an nes those games are classics and cheap :D
 
Nintendo's biggest problem is NOA. NCL makes a ton of original titles and NOA never seems to bring any of them over. Legend of Starfi, Mother 1+2, and so many other games its hard to count.
 
I agree that it is annoying that most of the good GBA games are just rehashes of games that were good on home consoles a decade or two ago. However, even though I still own an NES and SNES, I do love the fact that I can now replay some oldschool games on a portable system. Now I can enjoy them wherever I go: college, roadtrips, the train, etc.

I also wish though that the big N would squirt out some NEW killer titles for the GBA. It seems that the only adult-accessable games coming out are the rehashes, while all the new titles are geared towards younger kids (like the 2 zillion Pokemon and Y-G-O games).
 
Ironically enough it was probably Sega of America that took Sega out of the console biz when they botched the Saturn release.
 
Ports are gonna happen no matter what, and Mario 64 would be amazing on a handheld. Great idea, but I agree, Nintendo does need to inovate.
 
[quote name='dcfox']Ironically enough it was probably Sega of America that took Sega out of the console biz when they botched the Saturn release.[/quote]

I also think that SOA did not do nearly enough to bring over some of the rad Japanese DC games, nor did they adequately target the potential adult audience for the console. I think these factors really hindered the DC, and ultimately helped Sony.
 
[quote name='organicow']I agree that it is annoying that most of the good GBA games are just rehashes of games that were good on home consoles a decade or two ago. However, even though I still own an NES and SNES, I do love the fact that I can now replay some oldschool games on a portable system. Now I can enjoy them wherever I go: college, roadtrips, the train, etc.

I also wish though that the big N would squirt out some NEW killer titles for the GBA. It seems that the only adult-accessable games coming out are the rehashes, while all the new titles are geared towards younger kids (like the 2 zillion Pokemon and Y-G-O games).[/quote] I would have to say the opposite. Look at the explosion of the strategy RPG genre that has exploded on the GBA. Clearly these games are not for the younge crowd. The GBA is a console full of RPG's and most young kids are not into these.
 
[quote name='dcfox']Ironically enough it was probably Sega of America that took Sega out of the console biz when they botched the Saturn release.[/quote]

They also botched Sega CD, and 32x releases.

I found this quote on a Sega site a few years ago. Its the best thing I've ever read concerning them

"I think it was ODCM who recently noted that Sega's new mascot should be Samba the monkey. After thinking about it for a while, I kinda agree with them. Samba just dances right along with that stupid yet infectious grin on his face, without a care in the world, not really aware of what's going on around him but not giving a flying, er, flip either. All he knows how to do is dance, and he does it very well, so that's all he does in the face of trouble - dance. Kinda like Sega. All they know how to do is videogames, and they do them very well, so they plow merrily along, seemingly oblivious to what's happening to their markets."
 
[quote name='organicow']I agree that it is annoying that most of the good GBA games are just rehashes of games that were good on home consoles a decade or two ago. However, even though I still own an NES and SNES, I do love the fact that I can now replay some oldschool games on a portable system. Now I can enjoy them wherever I go: college, roadtrips, the train, etc.

I also wish though that the big N would squirt out some NEW killer titles for the GBA. It seems that the only adult-accessable games coming out are the rehashes, while all the new titles are geared towards younger kids (like the 2 zillion Pokemon and Y-G-O games).[/quote]

thats a good reason but nintendo always does that. You paid 30 for some of those mario games? they are like 1 buck at fea markets, lol.
 
You can sell hotdogs and drinks in Madden 2004. You can also do that in Rollercoaster Tycoon, but Rollercoaster Tycoon has a much better running game.
 
[quote name='MorganWebbLover']
Even with Pokemon, I'd still consider Capcom the king of rehash.
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Capcom the king of rehash ? I think not , try EA and their Yearly Madden rehash.[/quote]

Uhh... I don't think most gamers would continue to buy Madden or any sports game without updated rosters, stats and such. I think each year they've added new gameplay elements that made it worth the update cost, more so than any Capcom fighter.

Back on topic somewhat, one thing I've read about the DS is that it will have IM capabilities. If they can rig it to go online I think I'd give it a second glance.

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[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']The sad truth is there are enough people out there getting excited about the exact same game year after year and go out and pay 50$ for it. If people would stop supporting crap, maybe it would dissapear.[/quote]

Same thing happens in the music industry. Its a damn shame.
 
quote]Capcom the king of rehash ? I think not , try EA and their Yearly Madden rehash.[/quote]

Rehash, yes, but sports games are a bit different; they have new team rosters, colors, players, etc to consider. Perhaps in the future these changes can be made through downloadable patches and updates.

EDIT: you beat me to it!!!
 
i think there arent going to be many original nintendo games and if there are it will be a metroid or an original game that uses the same as the old N64 version's engine. i wouldnt really mind N64 remakes because i dont think nintendo made any non-successful games. Portable Starfox, LOZ:eek:carina, 007, mario would be pretty awesome but i wouldnt buy them unless they are cheap.
 
[quote name='whiteboy']i think there arent going to be many original nintendo games and if there are it will be a metroid or an original game that uses the same as the old N64 version's engine. i wouldnt really mind N64 remakes because i dont think nintendo made any non-successful games. Portable Starfox, LOZ:eek:carina, 007, mario would be pretty awesome but i wouldnt buy them unless they are cheap.[/quote]

Like I said earlier, I really dig the portability of these remakes, but I just really wish that Nintendo would stop making these titles such a prominent portion of the total games released.

EDIT: fixed bad spelling.
 
[quote name='dcfox']It is possible for the ds to coexist with the sp even with backwards compatibility. Just take for example the original GBA and the SP. Even though the SP is the more superior product people are still buying the original GBA in good numbers.[/quote]

But that is a different example. The GBA and Sp have the same processor and run the same games. The only differences are cosmetic. THey are able to coexist because it is a matter of taste on whether you want your handheld horizontal or vertical and whether or not you want to pay the extra money for the light. If the SP was more powerful and played newer games than you would not see the harmony between the two systems that exists today.
 
[quote name='whiteboy']i think there arent going to be many original nintendo games and if there are it will be a metroid or an original game that uses the same as the old N64 version's engine. i wouldnt really mind N64 remakes because i dont think nintendo made any non-successful games. Portable Starfox, LOZ:eek:carina, 007, mario would be pretty awesome but i wouldnt buy them unless they are cheap.[/quote]

their N64 library is far smaller than their SNES and NES library.
 
[quote name='dcfox']Nintendo's stance on the ds and the sp is that they are not in competition with one another.[/quote]

I remember Sega saying the same thing about the Saturn and the Genesis/32X. Either they lied or they really did not realize that they couldn't support both formats simultaneously.
 
Rumor, Rumor! I claim Shenanigans!


If the DS is supposed to be less powerful than the PSP, and the PSP is supposed to have graphics equivalant to the Playstation (not PS2.. the PS2/PSP link games would have toned down graphics to match the capabilities of the PSP and not those of the PS2), than how can any of this information be true?
 
[quote name='JSweeney']Rumor, Rumor! I claim Shenanigans!


If the DS is supposed to be less powerful than the PSP, and the PSP is supposed to have graphics equivalant to the Playstation (not PS2.. the PS2/PSP link games would have toned down graphics to match the capabilities of the PSP and not those of the PS2), than how can any of this information be true?[/quote]

The same way that splinter cell is on the n-gage. A lesser quality port.
 
A fanboy of what, exactly, you stupid asshole?

You seem to overlook the fact that you are the one constantly posting shit in MY topics - going around spewing nonesense.

EDIT: And stop fucking trolling. You post stupid crap and then log off like some hit and run.
 
I thought Sony said the PSP will have 3-D capabilities comparable to the Dreamcast. A bold statement, but I'm sure it will at least be more powerful then then the soon-to-be 10 year old PS1 (December 1994 in Japan).
 
[quote name='vshekar']I thought Sony said the PSP will have 3-D capabilities comparable to the Dreamcast. A bold statement, but I'm sure it will at least be more powerful then then the soon-to-be 10 year old PS1 (December 1994 in Japan).[/quote]

Sony says alot of things about specs. I'm not believing anything they say till I see it in action.
 
Companies always have a lot of fanboy inflated stats before they release a system.
Remember those assholes that said that Ratchet and Clank 2 used only 2% of the PS2s power?

PSP will have 3d capabilities, but it will be a little bit worse than the PS1. But different types of programs use different ammounts of power.

Those poly counts are what it could render if it was ONLY rendering polygons. But when playing a game the processor and RAM have to divide their resouces between multiple tasks. Like rendering the environment, game controls, physics, sound, artificial intelligence, animations, textures, etc.

A console often has many* different processors for the different tasks, but with a handheld that would be very expensive. When you make 1 fast processor perform the tasks of many weaker processors, even though put together they may have the same specs, the single fast processor is going to be a LOT less efficient.

I hope I explained that well enough.

*By many I mean more than 2
 
[quote name='JSweeney']If the DS is supposed to be less powerful than the PSP, and the PSP is supposed to have graphics equivalant to the Playstation (not PS2.. the PS2/PSP link games would have toned down graphics to match the capabilities of the PSP and not those of the PS2), than how can any of this information be true?[/quote]

First, the PSP is NOT supposed to be equivalent to PS1. It will have graphical capabilities closer to PS2 quality. You have to also remember, a port of SOCOM Navy Seals was reported to be in development for the PSP as a potential launch game.
Think of the PSP as "a new baby in the family" that shares DNA with the PlayStation 2, Kutaragi said.
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http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,110722,00.asp

So, that would still make Mario 64 a possibility, even saying that the DS will not be as adept at 3D graphics as the PSP.

Secondly, here's a slightly more reliable source than spong for the news:
http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm

However, I could not find the original article on CNN, which is the source Magicbox supposedly quoted from. In this, however, it doesn't say Mario 64 will be a launch game, or ever will be a game. It's supposedly just a technology demo. However, the only other occassion I can recall of a company making a game for a console as a tech. demo was with the Xbox. Tecmo ported DOA2 to the Xbox before starting DOA3 to see what the machine was capable of. But now, years later, DOA2 is coming out as part of the DOA Ultimate game. So who knows.
 
It is funny how people say spong is not reliable, but post articles from other sites that say the exact same thing.
 
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