Due to the duke stuff check this out..

I find the author's analysis of the evidence extremely untrustworthy. Rather early on in the article, she pretty much says that if the girl went willingly to the guy's room, she pretty much must have been asking for it. Because, of course, sex is the *only*logical outcome that can possibly occur if you go to someone's house/room.

I personally have no clue whether a rape occured or not. I do know, however, that a 12 person jury who heard the evidence found him guilty of rape. I find that a lot more trustworthy than an author who's opinion seems to be that slutty whores get what's coming to them.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I find that a lot more trustworthy than an author who's opinion seems to be that slutty whores get what's coming to them.[/quote]

Agreed
 
It seems like she engages in some risky behavior. I don't see what's unbelievable about being raped twice, especially when you consider how common rape (and attempted rape) is. And I'm not sure why being in a guys room makes rape less likely, especially when, statistically, it's usually someone you know, not some random stranger who drags you off.

Other than that, what drocket said.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I find the author's analysis of the evidence extremely untrustworthy. Rather early on in the article, she pretty much says that if the girl went willingly to the guy's room, she pretty much must have been asking for it. Because, of course, sex is the *only*logical outcome that can possibly occur if you go to someone's house/room.

I personally have no clue whether a rape occured or not. I do know, however, that a 12 person jury who heard the evidence found him guilty of rape. I find that a lot more trustworthy than an author who's opinion seems to be that slutty whores get what's coming to them.[/QUOTE]

I almost agree with that sentiment 100%. I also think rape is almost as bad as murder and punishments actually need to much harsher.

However, you can't deny there's definately some strange and even conflicting circumstances here and juries have made mistakes before (we know too little about this case to really pass any kind of informed judgement on what happened). I think the author made a point of the willingly going to his apartment thing, not so much to say she was slutty (though that mayhave been some kind of underlying intention), but because she originally stated to the police that she was abducted off the street and then raped.
 
[quote name='Drocket']I find the author's analysis of the evidence extremely untrustworthy. Rather early on in the article, she pretty much says that if the girl went willingly to the guy's room, she pretty much must have been asking for it. Because, of course, sex is the *only*logical outcome that can possibly occur if you go to someone's house/room. [/QUOTE]

?? Where did the author ever say or imply that by going to the guy's room willingly, she was asking for it?


She notes that the girl went to the guy's room willingly because:


"She initially told police that she was pulled struggling from the car and dragged into his apartment, where she was raped. When she was told that parking lot cameras might have captured her going into the apartment,she changed her story, admitted that she wasn't forced, and that she walked voluntarily into the apartment."

Nowhere does that read to me that the author thinks the girl was "asking for it". Rather, it's to illustrate the point that the "victim" was telling a damning story of being abducted UNTIL it was pointed out to her that cameras may have seen the incident. At which point she CHANGED her story.

Seem a bit fishy to you? Like maybe this supposed victim was making the story look as bad as possible so as to have her lie believed? And that this might, just might, be a very key point since it may denote that this entire situation was a malicious tale invented by this woman?

[quote name='Drocket']I do know, however, that a 12 person jury who heard the evidence found him guilty of rape. I find that a lot more trustworthy than an author who's opinion seems to be that slutty whores get what's coming to them.[/QUOTE]

Juries are wrong on plenty of occasions. Look at such examples as the O.J. trial.

Again, it seems you are labelling this author more from YOUR personal opinion than from anything in that article.


I feel sorry for that guy. But that is the way laws are today. If you are a man merely accused of rape, you are treated as if you are guilty guilty guilty even if there is not enough true evidence to back up such claims. You lose if you lose and you lose if you win.

Just look at how the Duke lacrosse team has been smeared even thought it looks to be shaping up that they are innocent. The damage has already been done to their reputations and the school's reputation.
 
The article very clearly goes out of the way to make the victim/accuser look like a slutty whore:

Before going to sleep the same night she allegedly was raped, Chastity spent the night and every night thereafter for several months with the male friend she called that night, according to depositions.
Click to expand...

Why, it almost sounds like... Like... *gasp* She was living in SIN! Lets try rewriting that sentence: the victim was so traumatized by the rape/attempted rape, that she had needed to have a friend come over and stay with her. Sounds rather different that way, doesn't it?

Within a week of the alleged rape, she was back out partying with friends.
Click to expand...
Because if someone tries to rape you, you're supposed retire to a convent and never see the light of day again.

Another sentence designed to make the victim sound like a slutty whore. It is, again, very easy to reinterperate what happened as "her friends knew she needed to get out, and drug her back out into public life, even though the victim was afraid." Even if her friends didn't drag her out, just because you've been victimized doesn't mean that you have to spend the rest of your life as a victim (something the author clearly seems to believe.)

She was drinking and making out with Gorman earlier in the evening.
Click to expand...
Date rape? What's that? Never heard of it. If she was making out with him, CLEARLY she was expressing a desire to get laid.


As I said, the entire article is written with a very clear 'slutty whore' slant, and that automatically makes it untrustworthy to me. The 'she was a slutty whore who was asking for it' defense is the oldest response to accusations of rape known to man. On one hand, we have 12 people who heard both sides of the story, and on the other, an article written with very clear bias towards one side. Juries certainly can and do make mistakes, but I'm a lot more willing to trust a jury than this article.
 
honestly the way i seen it regaurdless of the lil comment of her partying right after that was thrown in the end..i figured out she was guilty soon as I got to the she changed the story part.
Its somehow wrong to assume that shes a liar when we have a lil fact like that but were suposed to just take her side cause of her word and ignore her lie?

I just think that the court system should be seriously looked in areas of 'sex crimes' cause there not treated like there handled in america he said she said always seems to end up one way .

I want equal rights for females but how about some equal blame and punshment.
 
[quote name='Skelah']honestly the way i seen it regaurdless of the lil comment of her partying right after that was thrown in the end..i figured out she was guilty soon as I got to the she changed the story part.
Its somehow wrong to assume that shes a liar when we have a lil fact like that but were suposed to just take her side cause of her word and ignore her lie?[/quote]
Possibly it was a lie. Or possibly the girl's original statement was something like "I didn't really want to go to his room, but he said he really wanted to show me something, so eventually I reluctantly went." What I do know is that the article in question displays a very clear bias ("slutty whores deserve whatever they get"), and all facts have been stated in a way to make victim/accuser look as bad as possible.

Once again we go back to the jury: 12 indepentant, unbiased jurors heard complete details of exactly what she said, and apparently didn't have a huge problem with the contridiction (assuming one even exists.) I find that significantly more trustworthy than one author who can't even be bothered to give a single actual quote.

I just think that the court system should be seriously looked in areas of 'sex crimes' cause there not treated like there handled in america he said she said always seems to end up one way.
Click to expand...

Less than half of those arrested for rape are convicted, 54% of all rape prosecutions end in either dismissal or acquittal. The conviction rate for those arrested for murder is 69% and all other felons is 54%.
Click to expand...
Or not.
 
Rape? How the fuck is it rape if he stopped when she said stop?

I'd say she was drunk and wanted to have sex with him. She remembered her boyfriend mid-coitus and felt guilty. She said stop and the guy was nice enough to drive her home. Instead of telling her BF she cheated on him, she said she was 'raped' to aleviate her guilt. He was pissed and took her word and made her press charges.

I've SEEN this happen. I know people that have done this. It is far from out of the question.
 
Kayden is probably closer to the truth than the jury that convicted the poor guy ever will be.

How you can be convicted of rape when you stop after you are asked to stop just makes no sense. Seems the jury had an axe to grind and this poor guy is the victim of a combination of bad circumstances along with blatant incompetence of jurors.
 
Nowhere in that article does it say that she agreed that he stopped when she said stop. Now, if you were accused of rape don't you think your defense might be that you stopped when she said stop? What if he didn't really stop when she said stop? Then it becomes rape, plain and simple.

Once again, a jury of 12 found him guilty, they obviously had enough evidence to believe that he committed rape.

How can you guys pass judgement on how a girl should or shouldn't act after she's been raped? Fact of the matter is, everyone reacts differently to situations.
 
How can you guys pass judgement on how a girl should or shouldn't act after she's been raped? Fact of the matter is, everyone reacts differently to situations.
Click to expand...

If you ever want to drive yourself crazy then take psychology. Seriously, every time these situations come up I start thinking about how studies show people often react (and why), and those studies often conflict with "common sense". Yet I have to restrain myself. The worst part is psychological data seems to support my previous views, which makes it even harder.

[quote name='penmyst']Kayden is probably closer to the truth than the jury that convicted the poor guy ever will be.

How you can be convicted of rape when you stop after you are asked to stop just makes no sense. Seems the jury had an axe to grind and this poor guy is the victim of a combination of bad circumstances along with blatant incompetence of jurors.[/quote]

If you read an article about how communism was the solution and it explained, point by point, of how people would benefit, would you believe it? Even if the case seemed sound (which any good writer could do, especially with people who don't know anything about it to begin with), wouldn't you question it and ask whether the arguments made are indeed correct? You're not doing that here. You are accepting the biased argument as true when, obviously, there are two sides to this.
 
All that I can add is that it's very easy for a girl/woman to decide the next day to change her mind about what she did the night before. There is then no recourse for the man. I've known someone who was in that precise situation.
 
[quote name='captaincold']It should be noted that a few weeks ago the accuser's father said that his daughter told him that she was "raped" with a broom handle.[/quote]

Well, if she was raped with anything, it'd have to be a 5 foot pole because I really can't see anyone putting their wii in her- u g l y.
 
Funny, when this first came out, it was national news for weeks. Now that all charges have been dropped, and it's found out that the prosecutor had no evidence at all, and just wanted to drum up a Race War, it's a story for half a day, then it slowly fades away.

I would like to know where all the protestors and picketors are now, outside of Duke University, demanding this lying skank (please, be offended, I mean those words in the harshest way possible) be thrown in jail for ruining these players lives for a year, and costing numerous people their jobs.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Funny, when this first came out, it was national news for weeks. Now that all charges have been dropped, and it's found out that the prosecutor had no evidence at all, and just wanted to drum up a Race War, it's a story for half a day, then it slowly fades away.

I would like to know where all the protestors and picketors are now, outside of Duke University, demanding this lying skank (please, be offended, I mean those words in the harshest way possible) be thrown in jail for ruining these players lives for a year, and costing numerous people their jobs.[/quote]

Exactly. Does anyone else remember the fully armed black panther party marching in the streets?? Heh, they are on tape chanting for guilty verdicts. Where the hell is the media on this?? O'Reilly's dream came true. He finally got to show a picture of this lying whore. I really hope the liberal media picks this up, too. If you are gonna hold white americans responsible for every off hand comment, then turnabout is fair play.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
bread's done
Back
Top