I'm not 100% sure about webstores, but for normal sales on the Amazon Marketplace the money is deposited directly into your bank account (it bypasses Paypal altogether). I am assuming the webstore would do the same. I'm curious to hear what others say. That could potentially be a lot better off than eBay for sure if you sell a lot of games =)
Ebay - "No more negative feedback for buyers"
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[quote name='goomba478']I'm not 100% sure about webstores, but for normal sales on the Amazon Marketplace the money is deposited directly into your bank account (it bypasses Paypal altogether). I am assuming the webstore would do the same. I'm curious to hear what others say. That could potentially be a lot better off than eBay for sure if you sell a lot of games =)[/quote]
If it bypasses paypal, then yes it is. I think I read that it puts it directly into your bank account. It is a 7% fee plus $60 a month.
Compare that to I think $15 for the basic ebay store (more money for other stores) and then about 10% and you are saving money.
If it bypasses paypal, then yes it is. I think I read that it puts it directly into your bank account. It is a 7% fee plus $60 a month.
Compare that to I think $15 for the basic ebay store (more money for other stores) and then about 10% and you are saving money.
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I think it's awesome. I'm so 
ing sick of being afraid of leaving a negative or even neutral feedback for a seller. I know that it sucks for a lot of honest sellers out there, and they are punishing everyone for the crimes of a relative few, but I'm sick of sellers bullying people, and I think this is one of the only solutions.[/quote]
Agreed, I hate the sellers (normally power sellers) who have the "You give then I'll give policy" you, I paid, I did my job, give me the feedback.
ing sick of being afraid of leaving a negative or even neutral feedback for a seller. I know that it sucks for a lot of honest sellers out there, and they are punishing everyone for the crimes of a relative few, but I'm sick of sellers bullying people, and I think this is one of the only solutions.[/quote]Agreed, I hate the sellers (normally power sellers) who have the "You give then I'll give policy"
you, I paid, I did my job, give me the feedback.
[quote name='Boeing 747']Agreed, I hate the sellers (normally power sellers) who have the "You give then I'll give policy" you, I paid, I did my job, give me the feedback.[/QUOTE]
Did you not read any of the other respones? A buyer's job doesn't stop at just paying... what about the buyers who pay on time, but then are complete and utter jackasses about shipping, bothering every single day, getting upset that it's not at their house the next day, opening a paypal chargeback after two days, when priority mail is 2 - 4.... that shit happened to me.
Shipped something to Cali with Priority Mail, sent it the morning after he bought the item since he bought it at night, and the dude constantly harrassed me about where the item is, even though he had the DC # and I explained to him I shipped it. He opened a Paypal chargeback claiming I didn't ship it, the dude made my life miserable for 3 days. Let's not forget he gave me a negative before he even got the item!
But yea, I should have just given him a positive, because hey, at least he paid on time!
Do you go into Best Buy, buy an item, and then act like a total jackass at the front of the store because you paid for your item? No, whether you paid or not, Best Buy would throw you out. I viewed Ebay as the same way... just because you paid when you were supposed to, you don't get special priviledges to act like a jackass, and if you did, at least seller's had a chance to call out a buyer on it - they sure as hell wouldn't do it again once they got a negative.
If a buyer asks in a nice and calm manner where the package is, I don't mind that... but when a buyer constantly sends "HEY WHER IZ MY PACKAGE I PAID YOU" every day, after being told the status of it, why should he get a positive? That's just harrassment.
Now buyers have an open pass to be as much of a jackass as they want.
you, I paid, I did my job, give me the feedback.[/QUOTE]Did you not read any of the other respones? A buyer's job doesn't stop at just paying... what about the buyers who pay on time, but then are complete and utter jackasses about shipping, bothering every single day, getting upset that it's not at their house the next day, opening a paypal chargeback after two days, when priority mail is 2 - 4.... that shit happened to me.
Shipped something to Cali with Priority Mail, sent it the morning after he bought the item since he bought it at night, and the dude constantly harrassed me about where the item is, even though he had the DC # and I explained to him I shipped it. He opened a Paypal chargeback claiming I didn't ship it, the dude made my life miserable for 3 days. Let's not forget he gave me a negative before he even got the item!
But yea, I should have just given him a positive, because hey, at least he paid on time!
Do you go into Best Buy, buy an item, and then act like a total jackass at the front of the store because you paid for your item? No, whether you paid or not, Best Buy would throw you out. I viewed Ebay as the same way... just because you paid when you were supposed to, you don't get special priviledges to act like a jackass, and if you did, at least seller's had a chance to call out a buyer on it - they sure as hell wouldn't do it again once they got a negative.
If a buyer asks in a nice and calm manner where the package is, I don't mind that... but when a buyer constantly sends "HEY WHER IZ MY PACKAGE I PAID YOU" every day, after being told the status of it, why should he get a positive? That's just harrassment.
Now buyers have an open pass to be as much of a jackass as they want.
Roufuss, I think your analogy is the best I've ever seen with Best Buy and harassing sellers. I've been a Powerseller for years and I get all sorts of HORRIBLE buyers (granted most are just delightful, but there's always gotta be a rotten egg in the bunch).
I've never left negative feedback, for fear of retaliation, but that should show you that something is desperately wrong with their system. I think DSR's are all fine and good, but if they leave negative I believe you should have a right to defend yourself. There's just so much that's unfair with the system, past and present, it's not even funny.
I've never left negative feedback, for fear of retaliation, but that should show you that something is desperately wrong with their system. I think DSR's are all fine and good, but if they leave negative I believe you should have a right to defend yourself. There's just so much that's unfair with the system, past and present, it's not even funny.
Anyone look at their new "Ebay Dashboard" that just popped up?
Ebay just broke the camels back with me. I have over 17,000 feedback and now my Search standing is lowered? My feedback went from 99.4% to 98.4% in the past 4 days (not due to any sort of problems with buyers of course), AND my buyer satisfaction needs work! I have an avg. of about 4.6 on those stupid ass buyer things they can fill out (shipping time, item as described, comm., ship handling charges)
Screw them. I signed up for an Amazon webstore today. Im absolutely amazed that they are doing this. For the buyers? The buyers are going to have jacks--t to buy if they keep this crap up.
Anyways, by moving to Amazon I should save almost $5,000 a year just on fees!!!!! My shipping is supposedly high at $3.95 per game, but is it really difficult to figure out why people charge more on shipping?
Ebay just broke the camels back with me. I have over 17,000 feedback and now my Search standing is lowered? My feedback went from 99.4% to 98.4% in the past 4 days (not due to any sort of problems with buyers of course), AND my buyer satisfaction needs work! I have an avg. of about 4.6 on those stupid ass buyer things they can fill out (shipping time, item as described, comm., ship handling charges)
Screw them. I signed up for an Amazon webstore today. Im absolutely amazed that they are doing this. For the buyers? The buyers are going to have jacks--t to buy if they keep this crap up.
Anyways, by moving to Amazon I should save almost $5,000 a year just on fees!!!!! My shipping is supposedly high at $3.95 per game, but is it really difficult to figure out why people charge more on shipping?
[quote name='spamfree2']Anyone get the new promo.. 15% off FVF if you offer free shipping for buyer. Man.. talk about a whole bunch of cr@p!!![/quote]
Yeah, I just got that. I suppose it's nice if you charge the price of shipping and game value in a buy it now type thing, then you get 15% off the FVF and what you were originally wanting.
Yeah, I just got that. I suppose it's nice if you charge the price of shipping and game value in a buy it now type thing, then you get 15% off the FVF and what you were originally wanting.
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Why does everyone worry about feedback so much. I don't worry till I see some ones feedback lower then 85% If you do what your supposed to you really should have to worry about feedback.
That is a bad policy though. But really the buyers are what keeps ebay going. Nobody can sell stuff if their are no buyers. You want to keep a large market cause then they can say see sellers your selling to 100 million people! Instead of saying see sellers your can sell to maybe 1000. Its in ebays best intrest to keep the buyers happy. The sellers will sell there. Its the only place you can sell a gi joe riding a barbie horse and have some one actually buy it!
That is a bad policy though. But really the buyers are what keeps ebay going. Nobody can sell stuff if their are no buyers. You want to keep a large market cause then they can say see sellers your selling to 100 million people! Instead of saying see sellers your can sell to maybe 1000. Its in ebays best intrest to keep the buyers happy. The sellers will sell there. Its the only place you can sell a gi joe riding a barbie horse and have some one actually buy it!
[quote name='Boeing 747']Agreed, I hate the sellers (normally power sellers) who have the "You give then I'll give policy" you, I paid, I did my job, give me the feedback.[/quote]
I agree as well. The other reason why I like this change is that feedback for your buying and selling is linked and if you get a negative from a seller when buying, it affects your ratings as a seller and can basically ruin your positive rating. So, earlier posts about who cares about your buying rating fb is missing a key point.
I just received two dead gamecube consoles a few weeks ago from a seller that said they were 'tested' and 'working'. My first thought was, if I give them red, they will ruin my seller rating with red even though I paid promptly etc. I managed to resolve it with them in the end.
you, I paid, I did my job, give me the feedback.[/quote]I agree as well. The other reason why I like this change is that feedback for your buying and selling is linked and if you get a negative from a seller when buying, it affects your ratings as a seller and can basically ruin your positive rating. So, earlier posts about who cares about your buying rating fb is missing a key point.
I just received two dead gamecube consoles a few weeks ago from a seller that said they were 'tested' and 'working'. My first thought was, if I give them red, they will ruin my seller rating with red even though I paid promptly etc. I managed to resolve it with them in the end.
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[quote name='Mr_hockey66']Why does everyone worry about feedback so much. I don't worry till I see some ones feedback lower then 85% If you do what your supposed to you really should have to worry about feedback.
That is a bad policy though. But really the buyers are what keeps ebay going. Nobody can sell stuff if their are no buyers. You want to keep a large market cause then they can say see sellers your selling to 100 million people! Instead of saying see sellers your can sell to maybe 1000. Its in ebays best intrest to keep the buyers happy. The sellers will sell there. Its the only place you can sell a gi joe riding a barbie horse and have some one actually buy it![/quote]
I've always tried to be careful buying (I've lapsed as of late, but that's another story). The problem I've found is that there are a lot of hostage positives - that is, positive feedbacks with negative comments. The fact that this will be somewhat addressed is the only good thing coming out of this whole thing.
That is a bad policy though. But really the buyers are what keeps ebay going. Nobody can sell stuff if their are no buyers. You want to keep a large market cause then they can say see sellers your selling to 100 million people! Instead of saying see sellers your can sell to maybe 1000. Its in ebays best intrest to keep the buyers happy. The sellers will sell there. Its the only place you can sell a gi joe riding a barbie horse and have some one actually buy it![/quote]
I've always tried to be careful buying (I've lapsed as of late, but that's another story). The problem I've found is that there are a lot of hostage positives - that is, positive feedbacks with negative comments. The fact that this will be somewhat addressed is the only good thing coming out of this whole thing.
Feedback matters a LOT right now because your eBay fees depend on it. The higher feedback and higher star ratings sellers have, the more "discounts" (less gouging) they get on their ending fees. If you have really good ratings 4.8 / 5 or higher for stars you get like 15% discount, if you're 4.5 or so you get 5% and below that you get no discount. One negative or even neutral now or low star rating can screw up EVERYTHING. Buyers don't realize how crappy their willy-nilly feedback can be for sellers at times 
[quote name='schuerm26']Anyone look at their new "Ebay Dashboard" that just popped up?
Ebay just broke the camels back with me. I have over 17,000 feedback and now my Search standing is lowered? My feedback went from 99.4% to 98.4% in the past 4 days (not due to any sort of problems with buyers of course), AND my buyer satisfaction needs work! I have an avg. of about 4.6 on those stupid ass buyer things they can fill out (shipping time, item as described, comm., ship handling charges)
Screw them. I signed up for an Amazon webstore today. Im absolutely amazed that they are doing this. For the buyers? The buyers are going to have jacks--t to buy if they keep this crap up.
Anyways, by moving to Amazon I should save almost $5,000 a year just on fees!!!!! My shipping is supposedly high at $3.95 per game, but is it really difficult to figure out why people charge more on shipping?[/QUOTE]
I tried to check this out when they sent an email about it but it didn't exist then (way to go eBay). But it is there now - I am "standard" on search status but it shows non-compliance in all categories for the "raised" search level even though I have 5/5 on 2 of them (item as desctibed and communication). I think it might be because I don't have 10 in the last 30 days. That will be hard to maintain with my decreased use of eBay, so oh well... I did notice that my "shipping and handling" has taken a hit recently. I think with these changes more sellers are offering "free" shipping and now buyers think $3.95 (same as I charge schuerm26) is too much. And to think, I was going to raise everything a dollar because of the postage rate increases
. I didn't raise them last time it happened - been using the same rates for a while now ($3.95 for first class, $5.95 for priority). Many of my sales have been international though, and usually I insist on priority mail for the tracking and insurance. Problem is, that means $24-$30 shipping just for a single game. I've never backed off international shipping before like so many others have (because potential for ripoff much greater) but this might do it for me - if they are going to rate me low (and hell, I probably would for $30 shipping) then I might as well not sell to them. The hit on search results might be enough to ruin the additional sales I get internationally.
I'd like to know what the search standings really mean though - how much effect does it really have? Of course, it is a bigger deal with a common item (say, a Wii or Wii Fit) but less so with a rare game. I don't tend to sell the common stuff, so maybe I really shouldn't care about it one way or another.
Ebay just broke the camels back with me. I have over 17,000 feedback and now my Search standing is lowered? My feedback went from 99.4% to 98.4% in the past 4 days (not due to any sort of problems with buyers of course), AND my buyer satisfaction needs work! I have an avg. of about 4.6 on those stupid ass buyer things they can fill out (shipping time, item as described, comm., ship handling charges)
Screw them. I signed up for an Amazon webstore today. Im absolutely amazed that they are doing this. For the buyers? The buyers are going to have jacks--t to buy if they keep this crap up.
Anyways, by moving to Amazon I should save almost $5,000 a year just on fees!!!!! My shipping is supposedly high at $3.95 per game, but is it really difficult to figure out why people charge more on shipping?[/QUOTE]
I tried to check this out when they sent an email about it but it didn't exist then (way to go eBay). But it is there now - I am "standard" on search status but it shows non-compliance in all categories for the "raised" search level even though I have 5/5 on 2 of them (item as desctibed and communication). I think it might be because I don't have 10 in the last 30 days. That will be hard to maintain with my decreased use of eBay, so oh well... I did notice that my "shipping and handling" has taken a hit recently. I think with these changes more sellers are offering "free" shipping and now buyers think $3.95 (same as I charge schuerm26) is too much. And to think, I was going to raise everything a dollar because of the postage rate increases
. I didn't raise them last time it happened - been using the same rates for a while now ($3.95 for first class, $5.95 for priority). Many of my sales have been international though, and usually I insist on priority mail for the tracking and insurance. Problem is, that means $24-$30 shipping just for a single game. I've never backed off international shipping before like so many others have (because potential for ripoff much greater) but this might do it for me - if they are going to rate me low (and hell, I probably would for $30 shipping) then I might as well not sell to them. The hit on search results might be enough to ruin the additional sales I get internationally. I'd like to know what the search standings really mean though - how much effect does it really have? Of course, it is a bigger deal with a common item (say, a Wii or Wii Fit) but less so with a rare game. I don't tend to sell the common stuff, so maybe I really shouldn't care about it one way or another.
[quote name='io']I tried to check this out when they sent an email about it but it didn't exist then (way to go eBay). But it is there now - I am "standard" on search status but it shows non-compliance in all categories for the "raised" search level even though I have 5/5 on 2 of them (item as desctibed and communication). I think it might be because I don't have 10 in the last 30 days. That will be hard to maintain with my decreased use of eBay, so oh well... I did notice that my "shipping and handling" has taken a hit recently. I think with these changes more sellers are offering "free" shipping and now buyers think $3.95 (same as I charge schuerm26) is too much. And to think, I was going to raise everything a dollar because of the postage rate increases . I didn't raise them last time it happened - been using the same rates for a while now ($3.95 for first class, $5.95 for priority). Many of my sales have been international though, and usually I insist on priority mail for the tracking and insurance. Problem is, that means $24-$30 shipping just for a single game. I've never backed off international shipping before like so many others have (because potential for ripoff much greater) but this might do it for me - if they are going to rate me low (and hell, I probably would for $30 shipping) then I might as well not sell to them. The hit on search results might be enough to ruin the additional sales I get internationally.
I'd like to know what the search standings really mean though - how much effect does it really have? Of course, it is a bigger deal with a common item (say, a Wii or Wii Fit) but less so with a rare game. I don't tend to sell the common stuff, so maybe I really shouldn't care about it one way or another.[/quote]
What Im getting a bit nervous about is that they seem to really be trying to get the majority of sellers to really lower shipping prices. They are doing a fee discount this week if you have free shipping. Why? Because they don't get fees on shipping. These moves are really really becoming bad moves to any seller of any size. So you're bids might go up a bit higher, but then getting stuck with $3.00 shipping plus getting a little bit extra in fees taken away. It is truly time to abandon ship.
. I didn't raise them last time it happened - been using the same rates for a while now ($3.95 for first class, $5.95 for priority). Many of my sales have been international though, and usually I insist on priority mail for the tracking and insurance. Problem is, that means $24-$30 shipping just for a single game. I've never backed off international shipping before like so many others have (because potential for ripoff much greater) but this might do it for me - if they are going to rate me low (and hell, I probably would for $30 shipping) then I might as well not sell to them. The hit on search results might be enough to ruin the additional sales I get internationally. I'd like to know what the search standings really mean though - how much effect does it really have? Of course, it is a bigger deal with a common item (say, a Wii or Wii Fit) but less so with a rare game. I don't tend to sell the common stuff, so maybe I really shouldn't care about it one way or another.[/quote]
What Im getting a bit nervous about is that they seem to really be trying to get the majority of sellers to really lower shipping prices. They are doing a fee discount this week if you have free shipping. Why? Because they don't get fees on shipping. These moves are really really becoming bad moves to any seller of any size. So you're bids might go up a bit higher, but then getting stuck with $3.00 shipping plus getting a little bit extra in fees taken away. It is truly time to abandon ship.
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[quote name='rothgar24']I agree as well. The other reason why I like this change is that feedback for your buying and selling is linked and if you get a negative from a seller when buying, it affects your ratings as a seller and can basically ruin your positive rating. So, earlier posts about who cares about your buying rating fb is missing a key point.
I just received two dead gamecube consoles a few weeks ago from a seller that said they were 'tested' and 'working'. My first thought was, if I give them red, they will ruin my seller rating with red even though I paid promptly etc. I managed to resolve it with them in the end.[/QUOTE]
Now you cant worry. Sellers cant leave negative feedback. But it sucks that you cant do this for deadbeat bidders. What they should do is that since sellers cant leave neg feedback for deadbeat, when a seller files for a non-paying bidder, if buyer does not respond and is at fault, a eBay Negative (given by eBay only) will be posted.
[quote name='goomba478']Feedback matters a LOT right now because your eBay fees depend on it. The higher feedback and higher star ratings sellers have, the more "discounts" (less gouging) they get on their ending fees. If you have really good ratings 4.8 / 5 or higher for stars you get like 15% discount, if you're 4.5 or so you get 5% and below that you get no discount. One negative or even neutral now or low star rating can screw up EVERYTHING. Buyers don't realize how crappy their willy-nilly feedback can be for sellers at times[/QUOTE]
I believe this discount thing is for Powersellers only. I'm a bronze powerseller and only got 5% off FVF. It was about $3.
[quote name='schuerm26']What Im getting a bit nervous about is that they seem to really be trying to get the majority of sellers to really lower shipping prices. They are doing a fee discount this week if you have free shipping. Why? Because they don't get fees on shipping. These moves are really really becoming bad moves to any seller of any size. So you're bids might go up a bit higher, but then getting stuck with $3.00 shipping plus getting a little bit extra in fees taken away. It is truly time to abandon ship.[/QUOTE]
the 15% is nothing if our FVF is low. I rather sell my item and charge shipping. If you have great feedback, your bids will be high. The price of you auction with shipping will be around the same price of that with free shipping. So you'll be saving yourself the extra cost in fees.
I just received two dead gamecube consoles a few weeks ago from a seller that said they were 'tested' and 'working'. My first thought was, if I give them red, they will ruin my seller rating with red even though I paid promptly etc. I managed to resolve it with them in the end.[/QUOTE]
Now you cant worry. Sellers cant leave negative feedback. But it sucks that you cant do this for deadbeat bidders. What they should do is that since sellers cant leave neg feedback for deadbeat, when a seller files for a non-paying bidder, if buyer does not respond and is at fault, a eBay Negative (given by eBay only) will be posted.
[quote name='goomba478']Feedback matters a LOT right now because your eBay fees depend on it. The higher feedback and higher star ratings sellers have, the more "discounts" (less gouging) they get on their ending fees. If you have really good ratings 4.8 / 5 or higher for stars you get like 15% discount, if you're 4.5 or so you get 5% and below that you get no discount. One negative or even neutral now or low star rating can screw up EVERYTHING. Buyers don't realize how crappy their willy-nilly feedback can be for sellers at times
[/QUOTE]I believe this discount thing is for Powersellers only. I'm a bronze powerseller and only got 5% off FVF. It was about $3.
[quote name='schuerm26']What Im getting a bit nervous about is that they seem to really be trying to get the majority of sellers to really lower shipping prices. They are doing a fee discount this week if you have free shipping. Why? Because they don't get fees on shipping. These moves are really really becoming bad moves to any seller of any size. So you're bids might go up a bit higher, but then getting stuck with $3.00 shipping plus getting a little bit extra in fees taken away. It is truly time to abandon ship.[/QUOTE]
the 15% is nothing if our FVF is low. I rather sell my item and charge shipping. If you have great feedback, your bids will be high. The price of you auction with shipping will be around the same price of that with free shipping. So you'll be saving yourself the extra cost in fees.
[quote name='schuerm26']What Im getting a bit nervous about is that they seem to really be trying to get the majority of sellers to really lower shipping prices. They are doing a fee discount this week if you have free shipping. Why? Because they don't get fees on shipping. These moves are really really becoming bad moves to any seller of any size. So you're bids might go up a bit higher, but then getting stuck with $3.00 shipping plus getting a little bit extra in fees taken away. It is truly time to abandon ship.[/QUOTE]
What I think is hilarious is that they are getting people to offer free shipping AFTER the rates went up.
I exclusively use Priority Mail, and I'd eat $5 offering free shipping... 15% off a FVF wouldn't make that back up, unless I was selling a $400 game.
I think, like a lot of other people here, I'm going to look into Amazon marketplace... sad too, because I was only 40 or so FB away from 1,000 on Ebay.
But hey, I'll definitely use Ebay to buy stuff, since Ebay is giving buyers free reign to do whatever the hell they want now.
What I think is hilarious is that they are getting people to offer free shipping AFTER the rates went up.
I exclusively use Priority Mail, and I'd eat $5 offering free shipping... 15% off a FVF wouldn't make that back up, unless I was selling a $400 game.
I think, like a lot of other people here, I'm going to look into Amazon marketplace... sad too, because I was only 40 or so FB away from 1,000 on Ebay.
But hey, I'll definitely use Ebay to buy stuff, since Ebay is giving buyers free reign to do whatever the hell they want now.
Email I got from a buyer today:
He was trying to return a game. Guess what kind? A PS2 GAME!!! So he bought a game for a system he supposedly doesn't have and want's me to refund him money.
Thank you ebay for making me unable to warn other sellers about this person.
He was trying to return a game. Guess what kind? A PS2 GAME!!! So he bought a game for a system he supposedly doesn't have and want's me to refund him money.
Thank you ebay for making me unable to warn other sellers about this person.
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The new policy also opens the door for repeated "chargebacks" or "SNAD" that does not let sellers warn others.
A lot of sellers are trying to find work arounds to this no negs for buyers system. When they leave feedback, they start with "NEGATIVE - *some comment*". Of course, this means you'll have to manually seek this stuff out but if you're having trouble with a buyer then it might help... but probably won't as this isn't very widespread yet.
I've sold about 4 things (3 of which ran into the new feedback system) and thus far haven't had any trouble. I try my best to spell EVERYTHING out in my actions so there's no bitching.
I've sold about 4 things (3 of which ran into the new feedback system) and thus far haven't had any trouble. I try my best to spell EVERYTHING out in my actions so there's no bitching.
[quote name='Vinny']A lot of sellers are trying to find work arounds to this no negs for buyers system. When they leave feedback, they start with "NEGATIVE - *some comment*". Of course, this means you'll have to manually seek this stuff out but if you're having trouble with a buyer then it might help... but probably won't as this isn't very widespread yet.
I've sold about 4 things (3 of which ran into the new feedback system) and thus far haven't had any trouble. I try my best to spell EVERYTHING out in my actions so there's no bitching.[/quote]
Not sure how much you sell, but I have sold a lot and in my experience, spelling everything out helps, but if you sell enough you will run into a sh-t ton of people who don't even read anything in the description except for the name of what is being bid on.
When you only need 3 out of 100 negatives to bring you out of power seller range, you begin to realize what a cr--k of s--t this new crackdown on sellers is.
I've sold about 4 things (3 of which ran into the new feedback system) and thus far haven't had any trouble. I try my best to spell EVERYTHING out in my actions so there's no bitching.[/quote]
Not sure how much you sell, but I have sold a lot and in my experience, spelling everything out helps, but if you sell enough you will run into a sh-t ton of people who don't even read anything in the description except for the name of what is being bid on.
When you only need 3 out of 100 negatives to bring you out of power seller range, you begin to realize what a cr--k of s--t this new crackdown on sellers is.
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Well, looking forward to leaving my first neutral for a powerseller who's ripped me off on some shipping (overcharged, and it's still slower than promised), and absolutely refuses to communicate.
Also gonna leave a neg for a phone charger that didn't work as advertised.
Lovin' this.
Also gonna leave a neg for a phone charger that didn't work as advertised.
Lovin' this.
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If it's an item which I would pay $15 for, I wouldn't mind paying a $14 shipping charge as long as the price I win the item for is $1 or less. That's how sellers make their money. And it's also how I bid and sell on eBay. I set my shipping charge + initial bid ($0.99 or less so the fee is really low) to the lowest price I'd accept for the item.
But a slower shipment than promised I think should be frowned upon. That's why I use First Class. Usually 2-3 days, which is great by my standards. I've shipped a few items recently from NC to CA using first class and it got there in 2 days. Shipped on a Saturday and it was delivered monday afternoon.
But a slower shipment than promised I think should be frowned upon. That's why I use First Class. Usually 2-3 days, which is great by my standards. I've shipped a few items recently from NC to CA using first class and it got there in 2 days. Shipped on a Saturday and it was delivered monday afternoon.
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[quote name='xbltheshadow']If it's an item which I would pay $15 for, I wouldn't mind paying a $14 shipping charge as long as the price I win the item for is $1 or less. That's how sellers make their money. And it's also how I bid and sell on eBay. I set my shipping charge + initial bid ($0.99 or less so the fee is really low) to the lowest price I'd accept for the item.[/QUOTE]
Uh, that, man. On principle, the listed shipping charge should be, and I hate that I'm having to argue this case because it should be obvious, somewhere in the ballpark of WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE WILL BE. And that's not just my opinion; it's also eBay policy, if I remember correctly. I hate seeing small items listed for a penny, with $19.99 (or more) shipping.
See, it's that sort of shit, like what you're expressing right there, that shows how so many eBay sellers just plain don't want to play by the rules. Sellers have been abusing the system in so many ways for so long, and all of their little tricks and cheats have now become so widespread and common practice that they don't know how to live without them, and now that eBay is FINALLY slapping them on the wrists a little, they're flipping their shit and acting like they're being persecuted like witches in Salem.
eBay has been a "seller's market" for far too long, and I'm glad that they're finally putting in some policies to even the playing field back out a bit.
Uh,
that, man. On principle, the listed shipping charge should be, and I hate that I'm having to argue this case because it should be obvious, somewhere in the ballpark of WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE WILL BE. And that's not just my opinion; it's also eBay policy, if I remember correctly. I hate seeing small items listed for a penny, with $19.99 (or more) shipping.See, it's that sort of shit, like what you're expressing right there, that shows how so many eBay sellers just plain don't want to play by the rules. Sellers have been abusing the system in so many ways for so long, and all of their little tricks and cheats have now become so widespread and common practice that they don't know how to live without them, and now that eBay is FINALLY slapping them on the wrists a little, they're flipping their shit and acting like they're being persecuted like witches in Salem.
eBay has been a "seller's market" for far too long, and I'm glad that they're finally putting in some policies to even the playing field back out a bit.
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[quote name='xbltheshadow']If it's an item which I would pay $15 for, I wouldn't mind paying a $14 shipping charge as long as the price I win the item for is $1 or less. That's how sellers make their money. And it's also how I bid and sell on eBay. I set my shipping charge + initial bid ($0.99 or less so the fee is really low) to the lowest price I'd accept for the item.
But a slower shipment than promised I think should be frowned upon. That's why I use First Class. Usually 2-3 days, which is great by my standards. I've shipped a few items recently from NC to CA using first class and it got there in 2 days. Shipped on a Saturday and it was delivered monday afternoon.[/quote]
Yep, that's definitely a violation of eBay policy.
But a slower shipment than promised I think should be frowned upon. That's why I use First Class. Usually 2-3 days, which is great by my standards. I've shipped a few items recently from NC to CA using first class and it got there in 2 days. Shipped on a Saturday and it was delivered monday afternoon.[/quote]
Yep, that's definitely a violation of eBay policy.
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Well, looking forward to leaving my first neutral for a powerseller who's ripped me off on some shipping (overcharged, and it's still slower than promised), and absolutely refuses to communicate.
Also gonna leave a neg for a phone charger that didn't work as advertised.
Lovin' this.[/quote]
How did he rip you off with the shipping? Unless he changed it after the auction, which is clearly wrong, I don't see how someone can rip you off. The terms of the auction are clearly laid out.
And an attitude like yours (gleeful over crap like this) is what drives away small-time sellers, leaving you with the big power sellers who will gladly continue to rip you off.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh, that, man. On principle, the listed shipping charge should be, and I hate that I'm having to argue this case because it should be obvious, somewhere in the ballpark of WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE WILL BE. And that's not just my opinion; it's also eBay policy, if I remember correctly. I hate seeing small items listed for a penny, with $19.99 (or more) shipping.[/quote]
It's eBay's policy for the simple fact that they don't get a cut of the shipping charges. If they did, eBay wouldn't care if someone charged you $100 to ship a roll of tape.
Also gonna leave a neg for a phone charger that didn't work as advertised.
Lovin' this.
[/quote]How did he rip you off with the shipping? Unless he changed it after the auction, which is clearly wrong, I don't see how someone can rip you off. The terms of the auction are clearly laid out.
And an attitude like yours (gleeful over crap like this) is what drives away small-time sellers, leaving you with the big power sellers who will gladly continue to rip you off.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh,
that, man. On principle, the listed shipping charge should be, and I hate that I'm having to argue this case because it should be obvious, somewhere in the ballpark of WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE WILL BE. And that's not just my opinion; it's also eBay policy, if I remember correctly. I hate seeing small items listed for a penny, with $19.99 (or more) shipping.[/quote]It's eBay's policy for the simple fact that they don't get a cut of the shipping charges. If they did, eBay wouldn't care if someone charged you $100 to ship a roll of tape.
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']How did he rip you off with the shipping? Unless he changed it after the auction, which is clearly wrong, I don't see how someone can rip you off. The terms of the auction are clearly laid out.[/QUOTE]
It's complicated, and involves off-site checkout. Not gonna go into it, sorry.
It's complicated, and involves off-site checkout. Not gonna go into it, sorry.
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']It's complicated, and involves off-site checkout. Not gonna go into it, sorry.[/quote]
Well, that's a totally different case than people who overcharge for shipping, and I would suspect that you're totally in the right.
Well, that's a totally different case than people who overcharge for shipping, and I would suspect that you're totally in the right.
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Well, that's a totally different case than people who overcharge for shipping, and I would suspect that you're totally in the right.[/QUOTE]
Well the fact that it's eBay policy, whatever the motives behind that policy are, has not changed. If sellers aren't willing to follow it, then they shouldn't sign up for the site.
Well the fact that it's eBay policy, whatever the motives behind that policy are, has not changed. If sellers aren't willing to follow it, then they shouldn't sign up for the site.
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh, that, man. On principle, the listed shipping charge should be, and I hate that I'm having to argue this case because it should be obvious, somewhere in the ballpark of WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE WILL BE. And that's not just my opinion; it's also eBay policy, if I remember correctly. I hate seeing small items listed for a penny, with $19.99 (or more) shipping.
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I understand that, and I'm right there with you.
I don't believe I was clear in my last post, but there's a reason I used $15 in my example because I simply don't buy items over $20 on eBay. In my opinion, anything over that amount puts me in more of a risk of being scammed. If I was to change my mind and decide to buy something along the lines of a $100 item, I would definatly be against a $20+ shipment charge if it was not reasonable.
For example, here's a hard drive I just put up yesterday for sale. The 8.99 + 0.99 initial bid serves as the lowest price I would accept for the item in which I wouldn't lose any money to ship it. I don't think the shipping charge alone is unreasonable, considering the weight of said hard drive, plus I will need to pack it properly in order to ensure my buyer that It will work on arrival.
I was not talking about scamming buyers into covering fees or whatever as far as shipping price goes. I was simply trying to state that if I place a bid on eBay, I bid whatever amount + listed shipping that I would be willing to pay for said item. When selling, I place a reasonable shipping charge along with the lowest acceptable price for the item.
that, man. On principle, the listed shipping charge should be, and I hate that I'm having to argue this case because it should be obvious, somewhere in the ballpark of WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIPPING CHARGE WILL BE. And that's not just my opinion; it's also eBay policy, if I remember correctly. I hate seeing small items listed for a penny, with $19.99 (or more) shipping.[/quote]
I understand that, and I'm right there with you.
I don't believe I was clear in my last post, but there's a reason I used $15 in my example because I simply don't buy items over $20 on eBay. In my opinion, anything over that amount puts me in more of a risk of being scammed. If I was to change my mind and decide to buy something along the lines of a $100 item, I would definatly be against a $20+ shipment charge if it was not reasonable.
For example, here's a hard drive I just put up yesterday for sale. The 8.99 + 0.99 initial bid serves as the lowest price I would accept for the item in which I wouldn't lose any money to ship it. I don't think the shipping charge alone is unreasonable, considering the weight of said hard drive, plus I will need to pack it properly in order to ensure my buyer that It will work on arrival.
I was not talking about scamming buyers into covering fees or whatever as far as shipping price goes. I was simply trying to state that if I place a bid on eBay, I bid whatever amount + listed shipping that I would be willing to pay for said item. When selling, I place a reasonable shipping charge along with the lowest acceptable price for the item.
[quote name='Vinny']A lot of sellers are trying to find work arounds to this no negs for buyers system. When they leave feedback, they start with "NEGATIVE - *some comment*". Of course, this means you'll have to manually seek this stuff out but if you're having trouble with a buyer then it might help... but probably won't as this isn't very widespread yet.[/QUOTE]
Ebay is deleting false positive comments. Only the positive + remains and a comment from Ebay saying the original fb comment was removed.
Ebay is deleting false positive comments. Only the positive + remains and a comment from Ebay saying the original fb comment was removed.
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[quote name='CGH']Ebay is deleting false positive comments. Only the positive + remains and a comment from Ebay saying the comment was removed.[/QUOTE]
God, this is so awesome.
Bravo eBay.
God, this is so awesome.
Bravo eBay.
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[quote name='mguiddy']
[/QUOTE]
What's so about eBay removing false feedback?
Again, the sellers are just being pissy because they can't cheat the system anymore.
God bless eBay.
[/QUOTE]What's so
about eBay removing false feedback?Again, the sellers are just being pissy because they can't cheat the system anymore.
God bless eBay.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']God, this is so awesome.
Bravo eBay.[/QUOTE]
It's great for honest buyers but now sellers have no way to warn other sellers about non paying bidders, scammers or pita buyers. Ebay is now a paradise for people that fit that description. It's really sad.
Bravo eBay.
[/QUOTE]It's great for honest buyers but now sellers have no way to warn other sellers about non paying bidders, scammers or pita buyers. Ebay is now a paradise for people that fit that description. It's really sad.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']What's so about eBay removing false feedback?
Again, the sellers are just being pissy because they can't cheat the system anymore.
God bless eBay.[/quote]
See below.
[quote name='CGH']It's great for honest buyers but now sellers have no way to warn other sellers about non paying bidders, scammers or pita buyers. Ebay is now a paradise for people that fit that description. It's really sad.[/quote]
about eBay removing false feedback?Again, the sellers are just being pissy because they can't cheat the system anymore.
God bless eBay.[/quote]
See below.
[quote name='CGH']It's great for honest buyers but now sellers have no way to warn other sellers about non paying bidders, scammers or pita buyers. Ebay is now a paradise for people that fit that description. It's really sad.
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I do a lot of business on ebay, and not being able to leave a buyer a negative sucks ass...In my 3++ years, or over 10,000 auctions I might have left about 10 - 15 negatives so it isn't like I do it a lot. But if they don't pay and give some bullshit reason then I am leaving a negative. I even accept I changed my mind as a good reason to refund and do a mutual withdraw from the auction as an excuse.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']What's so about eBay removing false feedback?
Again, the sellers are just being pissy because they can't cheat the system anymore.
God bless eBay.[/QUOTE]
I agree it's nice that most eBay sellers can't take advantage of the buyer anymore (10 shipping for a $9 game? Yeah, you!) but at the same time, it makes it easier for buyers to screw over honest sellers.
I've met my fair share of shady sellers, believe me, but there's plenty of honest sellers out there and I feel bad for them...
about eBay removing false feedback?Again, the sellers are just being pissy because they can't cheat the system anymore.
God bless eBay.[/QUOTE]
I agree it's nice that most eBay sellers can't take advantage of the buyer anymore (10 shipping for a $9 game? Yeah,
you!) but at the same time, it makes it easier for buyers to screw over honest sellers. I've met my fair share of shady sellers, believe me, but there's plenty of honest sellers out there and I feel bad for them...
[quote name='CGH']Ebay is deleting false positive comments. Only the positive + remains and a comment from Ebay saying the original fb comment was removed.[/quote]
Whatever happened to "we can't remove feedback unless it fits a couple violations"?
Have they changed their user policy, where they can remove feedback at any point? It was never like that before. I
Whatever happened to "we can't remove feedback unless it fits a couple violations"?
Have they changed their user policy, where they can remove feedback at any point? It was never like that before. I
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[quote name='mguiddy']
Come on Google... Please be working on an auction site.[/quote]
Yes, please. As others have said...
[quote name='CGH']It's great for honest buyers but now sellers have no way to warn other sellers about non paying bidders, scammers or pita buyers. Ebay is now a paradise for people that fit that description. It's really sad.[/quote]
...that's why...
Come on Google... Please be working on an auction site.[/quote]
Yes, please. As others have said...
[quote name='CGH']It's great for honest buyers but now sellers have no way to warn other sellers about non paying bidders, scammers or pita buyers. Ebay is now a paradise for people that fit that description. It's really sad.
[/quote]...that's why...
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This is a problem that I see with the no negative feedback system:
Nothing is stopping someone from bidding on something and paying with paypal. File a "SNAD - significantly not as described" claim with a chrageback to my credit card. Keeping the auction item with no money out-of-pocket and no consequences. Rinse and repeat...with no negative feedback, who is going to stop me? eBay??
Nothing is stopping someone from bidding on something and paying with paypal. File a "SNAD - significantly not as described" claim with a chrageback to my credit card. Keeping the auction item with no money out-of-pocket and no consequences. Rinse and repeat...with no negative feedback, who is going to stop me? eBay??
[quote name='Vinny']
I've met my fair share of shady sellers, believe me, but there's plenty of honest sellers out there and I feel bad for them...[/QUOTE]
Plus it gives people to leave a negative without trying to work things out with a seller. If a buyer had a problem like an item not arriving even if the seller mailed it and it got lost in the mail, instead of contacting the seller they could feel they could leave a negative first since they know they won't get back one in return. Plus I can't leave deserved negative feedback now. Someone gave me a negative for not leaving them feedback. They got a negative right back in return. Now I can't do that and no one deserves a negative for not leaving feedback.
I know my 100% positive isn't going to last long with this new system.
I've met my fair share of shady sellers, believe me, but there's plenty of honest sellers out there and I feel bad for them...[/QUOTE]
Plus it gives people to leave a negative without trying to work things out with a seller. If a buyer had a problem like an item not arriving even if the seller mailed it and it got lost in the mail, instead of contacting the seller they could feel they could leave a negative first since they know they won't get back one in return. Plus I can't leave deserved negative feedback now. Someone gave me a negative for not leaving them feedback. They got a negative right back in return. Now I can't do that and no one deserves a negative for not leaving feedback.
I know my 100% positive isn't going to last long with this new system.
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']
eBay has been a "seller's market" for far too long, and I'm glad that they're finally putting in some policies to even the playing field back out a bit.[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess it is all a matter of perspective then. I haven't had any major problems selling, but have always been on edge about it and have had a few lunatic buyers (the ones who file chargebacks because they don't read their email or have a spam filter blocking eBay communications then blame you for not communicating when you wrote them 5 times).
But IMO eBay has definitely been tilted in favor of the buyer ever since PayPal became the main payment vehicle. There was very little (only overwhelming negative feedback) to stop buyers from doing chargeback scams in the past and now there is absolutely NOTHING to stop them. PayPal is horrendous at doing anything "out of the box". If you contact them because a buyer is scamming you, you just get canned responses.
Fortunately my last few sales before the change have gone OK and I've gotten positives from the buyers - will be pretty much stopping now, though. I've been a stellar ebay seller over the 10 years or so I've been doing it (cheap shipping, nearly always ship within 24 hours, never gotten a negative). But I'm small time and can't afford the risk of getting ripped off - so they lose that type of seller and keep the big boys who can shrug off chargebacks but also, on average, have poor customer service. In fact, how do you combat higher chargeback rates and eBay buyers like CoffeeEdge here who will start dropping negatives for every little thing? If I were a big seller I'd just say to hell with customer service - I'd charge as much as I could for shipping, send things whenever convenient, and do as little as possible to resolve stuff since the effort will in most cases be for naught - just recoup it in volume and in less hassle (and time). Just saying this might be an unintended (and contradictory) consquence of all this - worse customer service!
[quote name='unforeseen']This is a problem that I see with the no negative feedback system:
Nothing is stopping someone from bidding on something and paying with paypal. File a "SNAD - significantly not as described" claim with a chrageback to my credit card. Keeping the auction item with no money out-of-pocket and no consequences. Rinse and repeat...with no negative feedback, who is going to stop me? eBay??[/QUOTE]
^^^^ THIS!
eBay has been a "seller's market" for far too long, and I'm glad that they're finally putting in some policies to even the playing field back out a bit.[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess it is all a matter of perspective then. I haven't had any major problems selling, but have always been on edge about it and have had a few lunatic buyers (the ones who file chargebacks because they don't read their email or have a spam filter blocking eBay communications then blame you for not communicating when you wrote them 5 times).
But IMO eBay has definitely been tilted in favor of the buyer ever since PayPal became the main payment vehicle. There was very little (only overwhelming negative feedback) to stop buyers from doing chargeback scams in the past and now there is absolutely NOTHING to stop them. PayPal is horrendous at doing anything "out of the box". If you contact them because a buyer is scamming you, you just get canned responses.
Fortunately my last few sales before the change have gone OK and I've gotten positives from the buyers - will be pretty much stopping now, though. I've been a stellar ebay seller over the 10 years or so I've been doing it (cheap shipping, nearly always ship within 24 hours, never gotten a negative). But I'm small time and can't afford the risk of getting ripped off - so they lose that type of seller and keep the big boys who can shrug off chargebacks but also, on average, have poor customer service. In fact, how do you combat higher chargeback rates and eBay buyers like CoffeeEdge here who will start dropping negatives for every little thing? If I were a big seller I'd just say to hell with customer service - I'd charge as much as I could for shipping, send things whenever convenient, and do as little as possible to resolve stuff since the effort will in most cases be for naught - just recoup it in volume and in less hassle (and time). Just saying this might be an unintended (and contradictory) consquence of all this - worse customer service!
[quote name='unforeseen']This is a problem that I see with the no negative feedback system:
Nothing is stopping someone from bidding on something and paying with paypal. File a "SNAD - significantly not as described" claim with a chrageback to my credit card. Keeping the auction item with no money out-of-pocket and no consequences. Rinse and repeat...with no negative feedback, who is going to stop me? eBay??[/QUOTE]
^^^^ THIS!
I'm pretty much done with eBay selling as well. CoffeeEdge may think all buyers are saints, but I've run into more than my fair share of idiots and scammy buyers on that site. Heck, my only negative was a revenge feedback from a deadbeat bidder. I've gotten plenty of petty complaints that I'm certain would have led to unreasonable negatives had there been no consequences. I'm talking about people who flip out because I took 48 hours to ship a package, or who get upset because they didn't read my auction description, which clearly states that I will only ship to a Paypal confirmed address. About one in five of them pay with a confirmed address, then include a note asking me to ship it elsewhere. No, I won't ship it to your friend who lives on the other side of the country from you. 
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