Egg Salmonella Recall: Too Much Gov't?

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I'm so sick of this shit. Now we're being told that the government is going to stick their slimy hand into this mess. The FDA is going to take away eggs from the hands of hard working Americans. You can't make this shit up.

When will we learn that government is the PROBLEM, not the solution? When will we decide that the free market knows best?

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Why don't we just let the free market fix this?
 
If people don't want to get Salmonella, they'll just buy another brand. No need for BIG GOVERNMENT to step in and push around Farmer Brown. If the eggs continue to sell, it must mean that the American people don't mind Salmonella as much as BARAKA HUSSEIN OBAMA does.

LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE! REMEMBER THIS IS AMERICA DEMOCRACY WE THE PEOPLE FREE MARKET!!!!!!!!!
 
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We look and see what this guy's been into. We see all these government fines, sanctions and settlements. Obviously, the government has been completely INEFFECTIVE at doing the job they are currently tasked with. And your answer is to blindly give them more power and more control. I mean, obviously, that's the answer. When trying to hammer a screw, the obvious answer is more force.

Or, perhaps, the answer is that your method is flawed. You need to step back and try a new method. Pick up a screw driver. The tools that we give our government are the wrong ones (and, hell, the handymen we hire to run the government are the wrong ones. It's like hiring a retarded monkey to hang your picture frame and giving him a screw and a hammer).

Obviously the system we have in place is INEFFECTIVE. Creating more regulation in a system that cannot even be trusted to properly enforce the regulations they have now isn't going to do squat.

The people who cry "More Regulations!!!" are about as ignorant as the ones who cry "No more regulations!"

But your answer is better, obviously. Posting idiotic pictures on a video game forum with 'funny' mock-cries of "FREE MARKET" will solve EVERYTHING... and make you feel like a big man in the process. Congrats.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']
But your answer is better, obviously. Posting idiotic pictures on a video game forum with 'funny' mock-cries of "FREE MARKET" will solve EVERYTHING... and make you feel like a big man in the process. Congrats.[/QUOTE]

And yet you posted a parody thread of this earlier tonight :whistle2:k
 
[quote name='UncleBob']And your answer is to blindly give them more power and more control. I mean, obviously, that's the answer. When trying to hammer a screw, the obvious answer is more force.[/QUOTE]

Where did I say this regarding the Egg Salmonella recall?
 
[quote name='IRHari']Where did I say this regarding the Egg Salmonella recall?[/QUOTE]

You're right, I'm sorry. Your posts obviously weren't meant to be sarcastic. I now know you honestly meant well.


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On a serious note, I don't get how you can post an article about how this company was a multiple time offender as proof the government is ineffective while arguing for less regulation/government oversight.

What, in your mind, is the right tool for this job?
 
Proper enforcement of existing regulations along with harsher punishments would go a *long* way.

I'm not one of those "Let's scrap the Constitution and start all over people", but when it comes to business, the way business is conducted has changed so dramatically - over the last ten years even - that dealing with 40 and 50 year old laws... it's insane (it's like the debate with copyright infringement and digital distribution and such...).

But, it's not going to do any good to retool the laws and the penalties if we have the same retarded monkeys tasked with enforcing them. It's like the SEC claiming they don't have enough man power to actually do their jobs while masturbating to porn at work. Or our leaders in Washington working so hard to create brand new financial reform that specifically leaves out any mention of two of the biggest players that were so tightly involved with the problems that created the need for the new financial reform.

In many cases, the regulations we have are fine. In other cases, yes, we could probably use more. In other cases, I suspect we need *new* regulations. In some cases, I'd say less regulation would be good as well.

But in all cases, we need to have government officials who are willing to do their job and fight tooth and nail for the people who elected them, the people they serve and the people who sign their paychecks. We need government officials who follow through with actually, you know, regulating and we need people in Washington who don't create toothless regulation or regulation that's written in such a way that it provides loopholes for favored companies (like virtually excluding Mattel from the new toy safety laws when Mattel was the largest offender of the old toy safety laws and the ones that made Congress decide that we needed new toy safety laws in the first place.)
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Proper enforcement of existing regulations along with harsher punishments would go a *long* way.

I'm not one of those "Let's scrap the Constitution and start all over people", but when it comes to business, the way business is conducted has changed so dramatically - over the last ten years even - that dealing with 40 and 50 year old laws... it's insane (it's like the debate with copyright infringement and digital distribution and such...).

But, it's not going to do any good to retool the laws and the penalties if we have the same retarded monkeys tasked with enforcing them. It's like the SEC claiming they don't have enough man power to actually do their jobs while masturbating to porn at work. Or our leaders in Washington working so hard to create brand new financial reform that specifically leaves out any mention of two of the biggest players that were so tightly involved with the problems that created the need for the new financial reform.

In many cases, the regulations we have are fine. In other cases, yes, we could probably use more. In other cases, I suspect we need *new* regulations. In some cases, I'd say less regulation would be good as well.

But in all cases, we need to have government officials who are willing to do their job and fight tooth and nail for the people who elected them, the people they serve and the people who sign their paychecks. We need government officials who follow through with actually, you know, regulating and we need people in Washington who don't create toothless regulation or regulation that's written in such a way that it provides loopholes for favored companies (like virtually excluding Mattel from the new toy safety laws when Mattel was the largest offender of the old toy safety laws and the ones that made Congress decide that we needed new toy safety laws in the first place.)[/QUOTE]

There are many people in those regulator jobs who work hard day and night. They have to fly all around the country and work different time zones. They are smart hard-working people who make good things happen.

The regulators are woefully underfunded and outmatched. The out-of-control corrupt company owners they regulate consider fines to be a cost of doing business. The corrupt business owners gin up support in the tea party crowd, who screech at the regulators when they come into town. Then the politicians come in and attempt to exert enough pressure so that the regulators will back off. The people are acting against their own interests, but what are you going to do?

If your boss at Walmart tells you to give a lady a discount, even if she doesn't deserve it and she's just a screaming bitch that he's trying to shut up, what are you going to do? Why do you assume that a lowly govt regulator gets to play by different rules?

Blame congress and the people who voted them in. Blame the tea party. Above all blame the rampant corruption and immoral actions of modern business. But don't blame the lowly govt regulator for everything.
 
If your boss at Walmart tells you to give a lady a discount, even if she doesn't deserve it and she's just a screaming bitch that he's trying to shut up, what are you going to do?
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Same thing I've done before - back away from the register and let that member of management ring her up.

I don't blame the "lowly government regulator" for everything - but I think I can blame them when they spend time looking at porn while getting paid rather than doing their jobs.

And I agree about blaming Congress - and the fools who voted those particular retarded monkeys in. Not sure about the "blame the tea party" part. It's been around for, what, three years or so? Seems like the corruption and piss-poor management has been around a little while longer than that. And yes, blame the immoral businessmen. Thus the need for harsher punishments.
 
[quote name='wakawakawa']We really need some type of government body that makes laws and updates old ineffective ones.[/QUOTE]

That would be a strange and unusual idea.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I don't blame the "lowly government regulator" for everything - but I think I can blame them when they spend time looking at porn while getting paid rather than doing their jobs.[/QUOTE]

OK sure, we can all agree on the low-hanging fruit. But goddamn man, almost your whole freaking post was about how govt employees aren't doing their job. It isn't that simple.

[quote name='UncleBob']And I agree about blaming Congress - and the fools who voted those particular retarded monkeys in. Not sure about the "blame the tea party" part. It's been around for, what, three years or so? [/QUOTE]

The mouthy idiots have been around alot longer. I feel like the tea party is mostly just the same old mouthy idiots being masterfully manipulated by corporate interests (sometimes they have what a drunk would call "a moment of clarity", but I digress).

[quote name='UncleBob']Seems like the corruption and piss-poor management has been around a little while longer than that. And yes, blame the immoral businessmen. Thus the need for harsher punishments.[/QUOTE]

No, no, no, no, NO. Why do you always every goddamn time let business off the hook like this. You are not even one-tenth as hard on businesses as you are on the government. It's not only the legislators and regulators who need to monitor business owners and respond to their misdeeds, it's the papers, it's the politicians, it's other businesses, it's shareholders, it's employee whisleblowers, it's customers, it's the public, it's you, it's me.

There is no magic regulation that can cut through public ignorance, apathy about corruption, lobbying muscle, and the armies of corporate lawyers. Every time someone buys a product from a corrupt company, every time a news organization drops a hard-hitting news piece for fluff, every time an employee looks the other way - every time these actions allow that corruption to flourish in a way that no regulation could.
 
This is Amurica, we don't need no stinkin' salmonella vaccine.

Btw, I read that they're planning to pasteurize the eggs and sell them as a liquid.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This fuckin' sucks. I eat nothing but eggs for breakfast.[/QUOTE]

Just eat organic eggs. It isn't that much more expensive.

BTW remember all those people who always deride organic as stupid and a waste of money. I just have one thing to say to them

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[quote name='camoor']
The regulators are woefully underfunded and outmatched. The out-of-control corrupt company owners they regulate consider fines to be a cost of doing business. The corrupt business owners gin up support in the tea party crowd, who screech at the regulators when they come into town. Then the politicians come in and attempt to exert enough pressure so that the regulators will back off. The people are acting against their own interests, but what are you going to do?
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LOL. Yes, its the fault of the Tea Party (which emerged in 2009) that government regulation of this farm failed starting all the way back in 1997, 12 years before the Tea Party existed. 4 major violations starting 12yrs before the Tea Party movement emerged, but its the Tea Party's fault and not the government's failure to shut down a repeat offender. Keep drinking the Kool Aid!

OP is right. Too much government... Too much government FAIL.
 
[quote name='camoor']No, no, no, no, NO. Why do you always every goddamn time let business off the hook like this.[/quote]

How is asking for harsher punishments letting someone off the hook?

You are not even one-tenth as hard on businesses as you are on the government.
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Correct. I don't vote for businesses to represent me. I'm not forced to give parts of my paycheck to businesses with little-to-no say on how that's spent. A business isn't "By the People, For the People."

It's not only the legislators and regulators who need to monitor business owners and respond to their misdeeds, it's the papers, it's the politicians, it's other businesses, it's shareholders, it's employee whisleblowers, it's customers, it's the public, it's you, it's me.
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Agreed. But that doesn't change the fact that the government, which we elect (and pay) to represent virtually every single one of those people you mention should be taking its role more seriously.

Here's a decent example of what I'm getting at (except that it's not a market-based problem).

Driving. Do you speed? Most Americans do.

There are speed limits. There are laws that enforce these speed limits. There are people charged with enforcing these laws to enforce speed limits. There are penalties for breaking these laws that enforce speed limits.

How often do you speed vs. how often do you get a ticket?

Quite frankly, speed limits are very poorly enforced. Yet speeding-related crashes rank top in causes for accidents involving fatalities. (By the way, last I remember, death by car accident was the number three cause of deaths for Americans, behind cancer and heart disease).

So, what do we do? Let's start creating a bunch of laws to prohibit texting while driving, making phone calls while driving, etc., etc. Now, I'm not saying these laws are a good or a bad idea - but until we start enforcing these existing laws, what good is it going to do to make up a bunch of new laws that A) Don't effect the main problem and B) Likely aren't going to be actively enforced anyway?
 
UB, the only thing I can say is that you're the ultimate sucker for the rich.

It's stage magic 101, distract you over here while I pick your pocket over there.

Normal citizens empower corporations every day - I could list a myriad of ways from buying products to owning mutual funds. However everyday citizens have almost no say in how these corporations are run. Part of the problem is that the rich have shut down any ability for the common man to have a say. But another part is the apathy as demonstrated by someone like yourself. You obviously took civics 101 and you understand that the government works for you, good job I'm sure you earned every point of that C+ What you don't understand is that a business, like a citizen, benefits greatly from services rendered unto it by the public, and a business necessarily carries a responsibility to uphold a high level of ethical standards. We ALL need to be vigilant in holding businesses to those standards. It's a mindset issue. To be fair, you aren't alone in not getting it.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']No egg worries here.

I'll soon have 4-5 eggs a day from my own bitches.[/QUOTE]

Thrust that's awesome. Just as long as you don't go full-bore survivalist :D
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']No egg worries here.

I'll soon have 4-5 eggs a day from my own bitches.

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Nice. I miss having chickens.

Cut down pretty heavily on your compost, for better or worse.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Or we could actually raise chickens in a way that didn't involve them sitting in their own waste all day.[/QUOTE]

that would be lovely. when I was living in southeast ohio, we'd buy farm fresh eggs from local farmers. i had a brief moment where I was weirded out by the shells being (1) super thick and (2) many, many colors other than white and brown.

the things we don't experience by purchasing from farmers themselves.
 
Is there a noticeable taste difference, as far as you could tell? Like, I notice a huge difference between authentic Amish sweet cream cheese covered sticky buns and store bought sticky buns.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Is there a noticeable taste difference, as far as you could tell? Like, I notice a huge difference between authentic Amish sweet cream cheese covered sticky buns and store bought sticky buns.[/QUOTE]

Eggs? Nah, more of a texture difference.

Amish sweet rolls? Shit, son, now I gotta go to Reading Terminal Market tomorrow morning.
 
Went down to Etheridge last fall to visit the Amish down there, bought 6 loaves of pumpkin bread.:drool:
 
[quote name='camoor']We ALL need to be vigilant in holding businesses to those standards.[/QUOTE]

Except that you or I do not have the power to hold anyone to any standards.

Those that we elect - and those that we pay (via taxes) are given that power.
 
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