EGM October review scores

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sorry if they're posted. saw these on neogaf

bioshock 10, 10, 10 gotm
heavenly sword 8, 8, 9
warhawk 8.5, 7, 8.5
MySims - 6, 5.5, 6.0
Sonic Rush Adventure - 7.5, 7.0, 7.0
Wild Arms 5 - 8, 6.5, 5
Eternal Sonata - 6, 8, 7
Madden 2008- 9, 9, 8.5
NHL 2008 (EA) - 9.5, 9, 9
Medal of Honor Airborne - 6.5, 8, 5.5
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Heavenly Sword is now a must rent, NHL 08 is a must buy for me. I was going to hold off, but.. yeah.

Bummed about the MySims score though. I wonder what their gripes were.
 
[quote name='yummytyson']sorry, im a noob but what categories are the 3 numbers in? graphics, gameplay etc;?[/quote]

they get three people's opinions on the game and the three scores listed are what the three people gave it as an overall score
 
Bummer about Eternal Sonata. I played the demo and thought it had loads of potential. MOH seemed alright, but you can get COD 2 and COD 3 for less, and they're better games.

And for what it's worth, Bioshock really is that good.
 
[quote name='jaso']Bummer about Eternal Sonata. I played the demo and thought it had loads of potential. MOH seemed alright, but you can get COD 2 and COD 3 for less, and they're better games.

And for what it's worth, Bioshock really is that good.[/quote]

Alot of people at EGM dont like JRPGS. Persona and Jeanne D'arc are the only ones to get good reviews lately. I wouldnt listen to what they have to say to much about eternal sonata.

If you liked the demo just pick up the game it got as high as an 8, and people have to remeber that a 5 in egm is average. Most other sources have 7's been an average. So take that with a grain of salt. I am gonna get the game day 1 since there are like 2 JPGS on the damn system and i am hungering for some more.
 
I'm wondering what they scored the first Sonic Rush because that game was great and I am looking forward to Adventure. I thought it would score a little higher.
 
Nothing here suprises me in the slightest.

Can't wait for this to come in the mail so I can read that Warhawk review, see what they took off 3 points for.
 
It is good to see that finally they're bringing the Madden games scores back down to earth. No Metroid Prime 3 review, though. Nintendo is the hardest nut to crack in the business if even EGM can't snag a copy. Makes me feel better that I don't get Nintendo stuff either.

I'll have to give Heavenly Sword a run through for sure.
 
[quote name='Rozz']I never even got my fucking September issue in the mail.[/QUOTE]
I did it was my last free one . I'm thinking of calling and switching my frree GFW over to EGM . If anyone cares , I'll let them know if they let me .
 
Disappointing numbers for MySims... I'm hoping it's a solid game. I'd hate to see all of EAs attempts at creativity on the Wii fail.

Eternal Sonata's a bummer as well.
 
[quote name='Rozz']I never even got my fucking September issue in the mail.[/quote]

Same goes for me, except it was Game Informer. It's the only fucking magazine I did not receive and wondering if the retard at Gamestop fucked up my address since I signed up at the beginning of June.

Richlough- yes, you can swap the remaining GFW issues to EGM issues. Just say you want to cancel your GFW subscription and move them over to EGM. I did it last year with 2 year's worth of CGW moving to OPM. Then ZD moved over that to EGM for 4 years after OPM was canceled since they doubled the year's worth.

As for the scores, Mysims was one that seemed kinda iffy. Haven't read the review, but I'm guessing it's something like "The Sims Lite".

Figured MOH would get mixed reviews. Ever since absorbing Dreamworks Interactive in their fold, EA really doesn't know what to do right in the franchise and getting their asses handed to them by Call of Duty & Activision.
 
Sometimes these reviews are pretty amusing. Like when one guys gives the game an 8, and another one gives it a 5.

I, too, was a little surprised by Eternal Sonata's scores, and that Heavenly Sword scored so high.

I didn't want to buy NHL 08 so soon, but those scores are great!
 
[quote name='Rozz']I never even got my fucking September issue in the mail.[/quote]
[quote name='tangytangerine']Same goes for me, except it was Game Informer.[/quote]
The fuck? Same goes for me. I have subscriptions to both EGM and Game Informer and got neither this month.

As for Eternal Sonata, I'm kinda bummed. I was looking forward to Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata but both seemed to get panned. At least I won't have to drop $120 so quickly and can grab them when their prices drop.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']EGM was going to dock Warhawk a point if it was over $30 correct? So are those scores really a 9.5, 8, 9.5?[/quote]

My understanding was that it went to print before they knew the price. So the scores would be 7.5, 6, 7.5 after the deduction.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']Figured MOH would get mixed reviews. Ever since absorbing Dreamworks Interactive in their fold, EA really doesn't know what to do right in the franchise and getting their asses handed to them by Call of Duty & Activision.[/quote]

It doesn't have anthing to do with Dreamworks. The dev studio that made the first few MOH games (2015 I think) left EA and started a new studio called Infinity Ward and created the Call of Duty games.
 
It was one reviewer who said that, and it was for the online 1up review. EGM as a whole did not take a stance of "if the game is more than $30, subtract a point."

And I think EGM is the best place for reviews. Parish and a few others in particular know what makes an RPG in particular worthwhile and are much more capable of seeing that a good 3/4ths of the RPG/Strategy games released are garbage and not worth your time. Deserving ones like Persona and Jeanne D'arc get good reviews.. because they're actually good. Crap like Luminous Arc and Heroes of Mana get what they deserve.
 
Luminous Arc is far from crap... When it comes to RPGs reviewers don't know shit. My favorite RPG this year after Persona 3 is Ar Tonelico. I think we all know how well that did with reviewers. Eternal Sonata and Wild Arms 5=Day 1 purchases. And I know I'll enjoy almost every minute of both.

I don't understand this "I really wanted to get this game, and I enjoyed the demo. But some random person I don't know from Adam said he didn't like it. Guess I won't get it!" mentality. If you think a game looks good then give it a try. You'll be surprised how many times you end up loving something the press tries to tell you to hate.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Luminous Arc is far from crap... [/QUOTE]


But its no Jeanne D'Arc either. Luminous Arc is not horrible, but it is easy and cookie cutter. Jeanne D'Arc blows it out of the water.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']But its no Jeanne D'Arc either. Luminous Arc is not horrible, but it is easy and cookie cutter. Jeanne D'Arc blows it out of the water.[/QUOTE]
Won't argue that. I'm playing both right now, and Jeanne is definitely getting the majority of my time. It's an excellent game all around.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Won't argue that. I'm playing both right now, and Jeanne is definitely getting the majority of my time. It's an excellent game all around.[/quote]

I wish my store got jeanne d' arc in. I want that game so bad.
 
I think it's pretty fair to be tough on RPGs, for one reason because they are a huge time investment. If you're going to spend 60-80 hours with a game, it better be pretty rock solid with those fundamentals you'll be repeating throughout those hours. Also considering limited time available, who wants to waste their time with second tier RPGs?

Rolento: I can agree with you there, but point systems will never go away simply because the masses demand them. CGW took a ton of flak for removing their scores. It's basically not a factor worth losing readership over.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']I still prefer written overviews of what was good and bad instead of point systems.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I said it in the Bioshock thread, but I don't think reviews should have scores.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I don't understand this "I really wanted to get this game, and I enjoyed the demo. But some random person I don't know from Adam said he didn't like it. Guess I won't get it!" mentality. If you think a game looks good then give it a try. You'll be surprised how many times you end up loving something the press tries to tell you to hate.[/quote]
This game in particular (Eternal Sonata) has been getting some good hype at IGN Xbox.

And while a six may be a low score. there is nothing wrong with a 7 and an 8.

[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I agree with this. I said it in the Bioshock thread, but I don't think reviews should have scores.[/quote]

I don't want to turn this into a review score discussion but I think reviews should have many levels of depth. Score, strengths and weaknesses, an accompanying mini review or second opinion and the full written review. This gives the reader a choice of how much time he will invest in the review. If the score is a 6.5 he may just look at that and say "I'll skip it" or he can read the full review to see if it might be something worth picking up.
 
The scores for the games I'm interested in are good.

Warhawk
Heavenly Sword
Sonic

The Bioshock scores make me want to get a new video card, but I cant bring myself to do it :p
 
[quote name='SpreadTheWord']If the score is a 6.5 he may just look at that and say "I'll skip it"[/quote]
Hence why there shouldn't be scores. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks about a game. I want to know how it plays, if it's buggy, what the plot is about, etc. Whether or not the reviewer likes the game is completely irrelevant.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Hence why there shouldn't be scores. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks about a game. I want to know how it plays, if it's buggy, what the plot is about, etc. Whether or not the reviewer likes the game is completely irrelevant.[/QUOTE]
And a lot of EGM reviews don't include most of that which is why I dislike their reviews.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Hence why there shouldn't be scores. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks about a game. I want to know how it plays, if it's buggy, what the plot is about, etc. Whether or not the reviewer likes the game is completely irrelevant.[/quote]

But you don't have to pay attention to the score. It sounds like the only thing you are interested in is the written review. So why would you care if there is a score or not?

I don't play many RPGs but I like to play FPSs. If I see an RPG get a 7.5 I won't even read the review but if I see an FPS get the same score I'm more inclined to read it. There are countless examples of gamers making a big deal out of scores but if they are used as only a first look indicator of quality than there is no need to do away with them.
 
I completely agree. But sadly many gamers, as seen in this thread, refuse to even bother with the written review. My hope, and a silly one I know, is that if there were no scores people would be more inclined to try new games.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I completely agree. But sadly many gamers, as seen in this thread, refuse to even bother with the written review. My hope, and a silly one I know, is that if there were no scores people would be more inclined to try new games.[/QUOTE]

I hear that. People should be more willing to try new kinds of games, movies, books, food, music, and so on, across the board.

That said, though, I think you're wrong about reviewers trying to get you to "hate" games. It's their job to call out developers when they're lazy, and it's in all our best interests that they do so. But here's a little secret: you're allowed to like crap. There's nothing wrong with that. I like plenty of crap music, food, and movies, and I have a weird affection for all kinds of mediocre-at-best games: XIII, Spartan: Total War, the first Def Jam game, Path of Neo, and so on. But thinking that they deserve high scores just because I like them misses the point entirely. Hell, there are a million people who liked 50 Cent: Bulletproof enough to buy it. Think about that.

Anyway, this comes up every time there's a review thread. The sooner people get over the whole "I like it = it's good" fallacy, the better.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I completely agree. But sadly many gamers, as seen in this thread, refuse to even bother with the written review. My hope, and a silly one I know, is that if there were no scores people would be more inclined to try new games.[/QUOTE]
I don't think scores alone keep gamers from trying new games. People are the same way with movies, books, CDs, etc. Why do you think John Grisham is so successful? It surely isn't because of his great writing ability. There's far better writers. At the same time, scores do help people avoid complete disasters. I actually enjoyed Turok 2 at the time, but the scores have warned me away from the sequels. If a game is getting 5s and 4s everywhere that's pretty good indicator to me.

Actually, the best thing to ever happen to the game market (in some ways, and not in some ways) is the downloadable demo. I can still remember trying and then buying Virtua Tennis on the DC simply because of the demo. I can't imagine ever being interested in a tennis game until I played that. Same now with many game demos on 360. I know Crackdown got some mixed reviews, but I loved the demo and am loving the full game now.

Getting rid of scores wouldn't change much, except make reviews even more cryptic (considering they too are usually poorly written).
 
It's just that I really don't see the need for reviews. I use previews and watch gameplay videos to learn about games. I don't use a single review to determine what I buy. And I buy a lot of games too. I post here, but I'm very far from cheap. I'll buy on average, 5 new games a month. Out of all those games I buy I might play 1-3 horrible games a year. Also out of all those games I can't even imagine how many I wouldn't have enjoyed if I had listened to reviews, and not purcased them.

A good example is Project Sylpheed. I loved that game. It didn't get get good scores, and I'm not saying it deserved them. But it just makes me sad because there might be other people out there who would have loved it as well if the score were just removed from the reviews, and they read the text.

I understand what you're saying, but for someone like me who doesn't use them at all, it's hard to understand how they can sway people's decisions so much. Anyway, I'm sorry for derailing the thread.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']It's just that I really don't see the need for reviews. I use previews and watch gameplay videos to learn about games. I don't use a single review to determine what I buy. And I buy a lot of games too. I post here, but I'm very far from cheap. I'll buy on average, 5 new games a month. Out of all those games I buy I might play 1-3 horrible games a year. Also out of all those games I can't even imagine how many I wouldn't have enjoyed if I had listened to reviews, and not purcased them.

A good example is Project Sylpheed. I loved that game. It didn't get get good scores, and I'm not saying it deserved them. But it just makes me sad because there might be other people out there who would have loved it as well if the score were just removed from the reviews, and they read the text.

I understand what you're saying, but for someone like me who doesn't use them at all, it's hard to understand how they can sway people's decisions so much. Anyway, I'm sorry for derailing the thread.[/QUOTE]
That's cool that reviews aren't useful for you, but they are for many people who buy a game a month, or even less. If you're only buying a new game every 2-3 months, then reviews are certainly a huge help in knowing if something is worth it. I think they also sometimes tip you off to a game you would never have tried. In my case, that was the original Warhawk at the PS1's launch. It got such great reviews I had to try it.

It's certainly a mixed bag, but like I said, I think demos are making it easier for people to go out on a limb against review scores because they actually get to try the game. I know Bioshock's demo sold a lot of people on the game moreso than any review's score or text.
 
[quote name='shieryda']Guys, the new Game Informer just arrived at EB/Gamestop, so subscribers should be getting theirs soon.[/quote]

Yeah, just read their forum and there's people bitching that it's nearly the end of the month and still have not received the september issue. Utter BS that it takes them this long to send them out.

Especially since their site said people should've been receiving them around the 15th. If it wasn't for the fact that I paid for that subscription, I wouldn't give a damn. But since I paid $15 for a year, I expect every damn issue to be delivered.

For those wondering about the September scores, someone posted them already on their site. Here's what the scores are:
Game of the Month
Bioshock (360) 10/10
Note: PC version was not reviewed

Handheld Game of the Month
Picross DS (DS) 9.5/9

PC Game of the Month
Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword (PC) 9.5/9.5

Reviews
Bioshock (360) 10/10
Madden NFL 08 (PS3, 360) 8/8 Note: Wii version unavailable to review
Nascar 08 (PS3, 360) 7.75/8
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 (PS3, 360) 9/9 Note: Wii version unavailable to review
Transformers (PS3, 360, Wii) 7.25/7
Ratatouille (Wii, PS2, Gamecube) 5.5/5.5
Ratatouille (360) 6.75/7
Blue Dragon (360) 9/8.75
Project Sylpheed (360) 7.75/7.5
Wartech: Senko No Ronde (360) 3.75
Hour of Victory (360) 2.5
Vampire Rain (360) 3/2.75
Eternal Sonata (360) 8.25/8
Lair (PS3) 7.25/8
Mario Strikers Charged (Wii) 7.25/7
Pokemon Battle Revolution (Wii) 5.75/6
Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword (PC) 9.5/9.5
Dead Head Fred (PSP) 6/6
Picross DS (DS) 9.5/9
Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS) 8.25/8.25
Jeanne d'Arc (PSP) 8.5/8
Heroes of Mana (DS) 5/5
Brave Story: New Traveler (PSP) 7.25
Brothers in Arms DS (DS) 6.75
Luminous Arc (DS) 6
Monster Hunter Freedom 2 (PSP) 7
Smash Court Tennis 3 (PSP) 8.5
 
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