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FF8 is my favorite. Most people I know, like the first final fantasy they played the most, as is the case for me. Yeah yeah I got into it late 
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[quote name='clockworkvictim']FF8 is my favorite. Most people I know, like the first final fantasy they played the most, as is the case for me. Yeah yeah I got into it late .[/quote]
I liked 8, I feel 7 is a bit overrated, 9 was good and I dont know why nobody likes it, X I despises as well as X-2, I pray 12 will be much better.
.[/quote]I liked 8, I feel 7 is a bit overrated, 9 was good and I dont know why nobody likes it, X I despises as well as X-2, I pray 12 will be much better.
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Ff7 is my favorite i thought it had a great story line, great characters, and a good fighting system. FF8 was Pretty good 2 but not my favorite. I have not played FF9 dough
i think its crazy that square hasnt released a core series FF game in almost 3 1/2 years.
between sept 1997 and dec 2001 7,8,9, and 10 came out
between jan 2002 and now, nothing (XI does not acount as being the the core series, despite having a number) the closest thing has been x2, i think square needs to release them once every year/two again, because i loved 7-x but (most of their games in general) after x have kinda been a let down.
between sept 1997 and dec 2001 7,8,9, and 10 came out
between jan 2002 and now, nothing (XI does not acount as being the the core series, despite having a number) the closest thing has been x2, i think square needs to release them once every year/two again, because i loved 7-x but (most of their games in general) after x have kinda been a let down.
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[quote name='punqsux']i think its crazy that square hasnt released a core series FF game in almost 3 1/2 years.
between sept 1997 and dec 2001 7,8,9, and 10 came out
between jan 2002 and now, nothing (XI does not acount as being the the core series, despite having a number) the closest thing has been x2, i think square needs to release them once every year/two again, because i loved 7-x but (most of their games in general) after x have kinda been a let down.[/quote]
I agree completely.
between sept 1997 and dec 2001 7,8,9, and 10 came out
between jan 2002 and now, nothing (XI does not acount as being the the core series, despite having a number) the closest thing has been x2, i think square needs to release them once every year/two again, because i loved 7-x but (most of their games in general) after x have kinda been a let down.[/quote]
I agree completely.
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I haven't beaten 1-5 yet (have them though), so I cant say about those, but I think 6 was the best, then 7, 10, 8, 9, 10-2
I really liked the materia system in 7. X was better than the two before it, but only marginally so. The magic pull system made 8 too easy. 9 I really didn't like at all. x-2 was too easy, too short, and too j-pop, but I did like the job and combat system.
I really liked the materia system in 7. X was better than the two before it, but only marginally so. The magic pull system made 8 too easy. 9 I really didn't like at all. x-2 was too easy, too short, and too j-pop, but I did like the job and combat system.
FF7 was a great game in it's time and I still enjoy playing it once in a while(usually on my PC). The only RPGs that I could compare it to would be the first Suikoden or Wild Arms. I suppose to really have appreciated what it meant you would have had to have been there when it first was released. FF8 was much different but still a very good experience. There will always be those who despise these games for whatever reason, but it doesn't change anything for those of us who've always enjoyed them. I'd say FF7 was the best PS1 game overall. Great music, story, characters, battle, materia system, etc...
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[quote name='Cloud']in FF7 good story and materia,FF8 many things,FF9 abilities[/quote]
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.
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I like FFVII. It was my first Final Fantasy. 
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[quote name='nintendokid'][quote name='Cloud']in FF7 good story and materia,FF8 many things,FF9 abilities[/quote]
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.[/quote]
Dude at the time people were wowed by FFIII graphics on the SNES. Just because you like a rpg game that use up to date technology doesn't mean you don't know jack about rpg.
If you really want a true rpg experienice pop in Xenogears.
espers and shard learn about Grahf, Id, and Fei.
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.[/quote]
Dude at the time people were wowed by FFIII graphics on the SNES. Just because you like a rpg game that use up to date technology doesn't mean you don't know jack about rpg.
If you really want a true rpg experienice pop in Xenogears.
espers and shard learn about Grahf, Id, and Fei.
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I'd say FF6 was probably the best final fantasy, for the psx I always enjoyed FF8 the most.
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[quote name='blueweltall'][quote name='nintendokid'][quote name='Cloud']in FF7 good story and materia,FF8 many things,FF9 abilities[/quote]
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.[/quote]
Dude at the time people were wowed by FFIII graphics on the SNES. Just because you like a rpg game that use up to date technology doesn't mean you don't know jack about rpg.
If you really want a true rpg experienice pop in Xenogears. shaq-fu espers and shard learn about Grahf, Id, and Fei.[/quote]
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.[/quote]
Dude at the time people were wowed by FFIII graphics on the SNES. Just because you like a rpg game that use up to date technology doesn't mean you don't know jack about rpg.
If you really want a true rpg experienice pop in Xenogears. shaq-fu espers and shard learn about Grahf, Id, and Fei.[/quote]
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.
[quote name='nintendokid'][quote name='blueweltall'][quote name='nintendokid'][quote name='Cloud']in FF7 good story and materia,FF8 many things,FF9 abilities[/quote]
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.[/quote]
Dude at the time people were wowed by FFIII graphics on the SNES. Just because you like a rpg game that use up to date technology doesn't mean you don't know jack about rpg.
If you really want a true rpg experienice pop in Xenogears. shaq-fu espers and shard learn about Grahf, Id, and Fei.[/quote]
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
So you're saying because you couldn't follow the themes the game was ruined for you? I don't see how that at all the fault of the game as much as it is yours. Xenogears was never meant to be a "middle school" RPG. The concept of "id" isn't all that complicated - it's certainly not a college-level subject. What you seem to be trying to say is that a plot can't be allowed to have elements that are, dare I say, mature in nature? By your logic, the first Matrix - a movie chock-full of religious references - was no good because most of the people wouldn't pick up on them, right?
What I loved about Xenogears was its intricate plot, and how everything managed to weave together so well. You can't do without any of them, either. Take away the class disputes: you lose a main character, you lose the love story, you lose pretty much the entire second disc, you lose the freaking ending. Take away the Sephiroth-like character: you lose the villain, you lose conflict, you lose the main plot. Take away the religious themes, you lose the entire driving force behind all of that. As far as I'm concerned, there were no shortcomings in that game's plot, and I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say it tried to be over-complicated, because it did everything as well as it did.
FFVII, good story....and materia system was good? LOL! And you also listed VIII, and IX.
Do yourself a favor and go pick up FFVI, PS or SNES, though you'd be better off with the latter. But most people who are in the "I love FFVII" group doesn't really understand what makes a great RPG, they are wowed instead by graphics, FMV, and spike haired heroes with an effeminate appeal, no offense, of course. So chances are, you'll be:
1. wowed by the great narshe overlooking cliff intro, with credits rolling.
2. Proceed and see the first battle against the narshe forces, and start wondering "Where's the 3-D polygons? Where's the pre-rendered 32bit backgrounds? I want a feminine male character with a popish look!"
3. Your finger finds the Power button "accidentally" and the game is never played again.
Materia? What until you experience Espers and how shards are created.[/quote]
Dude at the time people were wowed by FFIII graphics on the SNES. Just because you like a rpg game that use up to date technology doesn't mean you don't know jack about rpg.
If you really want a true rpg experienice pop in Xenogears. shaq-fu espers and shard learn about Grahf, Id, and Fei.[/quote]
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
So you're saying because you couldn't follow the themes the game was ruined for you? I don't see how that at all the fault of the game as much as it is yours. Xenogears was never meant to be a "middle school" RPG. The concept of "id" isn't all that complicated - it's certainly not a college-level subject. What you seem to be trying to say is that a plot can't be allowed to have elements that are, dare I say, mature in nature? By your logic, the first Matrix - a movie chock-full of religious references - was no good because most of the people wouldn't pick up on them, right?
What I loved about Xenogears was its intricate plot, and how everything managed to weave together so well. You can't do without any of them, either. Take away the class disputes: you lose a main character, you lose the love story, you lose pretty much the entire second disc, you lose the freaking ending. Take away the Sephiroth-like character: you lose the villain, you lose conflict, you lose the main plot. Take away the religious themes, you lose the entire driving force behind all of that. As far as I'm concerned, there were no shortcomings in that game's plot, and I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say it tried to be over-complicated, because it did everything as well as it did.
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LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
Howing hard is it to understand that Fei have multiply personality? Personality that was created to deal with the many experience he suffer as a child. Are you really that slow to not understand that? LOL it took you college level class to understand that.
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
How
ing hard is it to understand that Fei have multiply personality? Personality that was created to deal with the many experience he suffer as a child. Are you really that slow to not understand that? LOL it took you college level class to understand that. [quote name='blueweltall'][quote name='nintendokid']
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
How shaq-fuing hard is it to understand that Fei have multiply personality? Personality that was created to deal with the many experience he suffer as a child. Are you really that slow to not understand that? LOL it took you college level class to understand that.[/quote]
I tried to be nice about it...
Also, are we allowed to talk about the game as though everyone's played it? I didn't want to spoil anything.
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
How shaq-fuing hard is it to understand that Fei have multiply personality? Personality that was created to deal with the many experience he suffer as a child. Are you really that slow to not understand that? LOL it took you college level class to understand that.
[/quote]I tried to be nice about it...
Also, are we allowed to talk about the game as though everyone's played it? I didn't want to spoil anything.
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[quote name='m1lesteg'][quote name='blueweltall'][quote name='nintendokid']
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
How shaq-fuing hard is it to understand that Fei have multiply personality? Personality that was created to deal with the many experience he suffer as a child. Are you really that slow to not understand that? LOL it took you college level class to understand that.[/quote]
I tried to be nice about it...
Also, are we allowed to talk about the game as though everyone's played it? I didn't want to spoil anything.[/quote]
I don't know but I'm pretty sure its some what okay since the game is about 8 years old.
LOL! Please! Xenogears was so complicated in itself to the point where it was no longer enjoyable, ala FFVIII. THere were many themes - love (at least an attempt), hope, religion, destruction of life, anger, etc. But all of those themes didn't mix in well. It happens - you try to add in so many elements and it just ends up too confusing that it's not enjoyable by the audience (Matrix 2, anyone?).
You have the lambs, you have the higher humans living in the sky, you have the guy who's really pissed of at everything because it just isn't his day, just like Sephiroth, and then there's the fake religion to control the lambs, etc. Oh, and you can't forget about "Id", one of the three psyche that is guided by your instincts alone and nothing else. Ok, so middle school RPGamers and the average person is suppose to know what Id without some psychology class? Talk about complication to the point of devastation. I bet there's gonna be a few who reads this, has played Xenogears, and is still wondering what "id" is. I had to look it up myself in high school and didn't grip the meaning until college psych class.
It attempted to go deep, even deeper than FFVII at the time. But admit it, the themes and the plot did not mix in well at all. It was a good RPG, don't get me wrong. But is it a masterpiece? Not quite. By the time I got to disc two, I no longer had any connection or bond with any of the characters - the complication and the many themes and the plot caused me to no longer have the bond with the heroes. Once a game causes you to break the bond, it loses the audience, and it goes down from there.[/quote]
How shaq-fuing hard is it to understand that Fei have multiply personality? Personality that was created to deal with the many experience he suffer as a child. Are you really that slow to not understand that? LOL it took you college level class to understand that.
[/quote]I tried to be nice about it...
Also, are we allowed to talk about the game as though everyone's played it? I didn't want to spoil anything.[/quote]
I don't know but I'm pretty sure its some what okay since the game is about 8 years old.
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I really don't understand the deep love people have for 7.
The story really isn't anything that is that earth shattering, the hero really just isn't that interesting, and villian is a whiny momma's boy.
I hardly see the evil badasses and great heros that most people see when they look at this game.
The story really isn't anything that is that earth shattering, the hero really just isn't that interesting, and villian is a whiny momma's boy.
I hardly see the evil badasses and great heros that most people see when they look at this game.
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[quote name='JSweeney']I really don't understand the deep love people have for 7.
The story really isn't anything that is that earth shattering, the hero really just isn't that interesting, and villian is a whiny momma's boy.
I hardly see the evil badasses and great heros that most people see when they look at this game.[/quote]
Maybe becuase its the first rpg game that appeal to the average gamers or people just worshipped it because its the rpg game that opened the door to other great rpg games that will never get release here otherwise.
The story really isn't anything that is that earth shattering, the hero really just isn't that interesting, and villian is a whiny momma's boy.
I hardly see the evil badasses and great heros that most people see when they look at this game.[/quote]
Maybe becuase its the first rpg game that appeal to the average gamers or people just worshipped it because its the rpg game that opened the door to other great rpg games that will never get release here otherwise.
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How can this be a ing poll on the best FF if it excludes all FF games other than the core PSX FF games? This poll sucks, but because of the limited options, I went for 9.
ing poll on the best FF if it excludes all FF games other than the core PSX FF games? This poll sucks, but because of the limited options, I went for 9.
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xenogears was fun the first time around but the second time was just dragging my feet. graphics were poo and even fighting got repetetive. out of all the core psx FF, 7 was the best imho. the materia magic system was overwhelmingly creative and fun to use. what made it an enjoyable experience was my attachment to the charachters. sure there are slow and boring parts like when cloud goes to his hometown, but what rpg doesn't have that? in addition to the great charachters, the music was great, the FMV sequences surpassed practically every game during that time, and iet was pretty straight forward.
theres to way to declare what the best FF is or any game for that matter because everything is just based on preference.
theres to way to declare what the best FF is or any game for that matter because everything is just based on preference.
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Favorites in order from most to least liked: FF6(3), FFX, FF8, FF9, FF7, FF4, FF5, FFX-2.
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I've beaten IV, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, and X-2. And my favorite by far was X, I know a lot of people don't like it but for some reason it really appealed to me and I loved every minute of it. I was not a real big fan at all of IV or VI and its not just because the graphics. I think that Chrono Trigger is better than any FF with the exception of X and that was for the super nintendo as well. VII was good but overrated, and VIII was excellent but underrated it is my 2nd favorite. IX was OK didn't really like it much though.
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*EDITED* Can't we all just get along?! HAR HAR He likes Xenogears, I like FFVI. These other dudes like FFVII. We all disagree, who cares?! Play on!
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By the way, the whole argument in regards to Matrix as a comparison goes like this:
Matrix 1 was good, because it introduced us into a world where you could possibly end up. It was easy to follow. We are stored, drained of energy, and we live in a programmed world. Easy to understand. Some are learning that the Matrix is not real and are unplugging, and are replugging to fight the Matrix from inside. Easy to understand.
Then comes Matrix 2:
There's the twins who come outta nowhere, the agent is back this time with clones, the keymaker is revealed, and had no reference from the 1st part, etc. They tried to cram too many things in, that if it had worked, it would've been a masterpiece, like Matrix 1. So, Xenogears is like that: if it had worked, then it would've been a masterpiece. But, everything became clouded because of it's complexity.
By the way, I did understand the whole story behind Xenogears. That's why I am judging it the way I am. It is complex, no doubt about it. If I didn't understand it, why would I talk about it?
Matrix 1 was good, because it introduced us into a world where you could possibly end up. It was easy to follow. We are stored, drained of energy, and we live in a programmed world. Easy to understand. Some are learning that the Matrix is not real and are unplugging, and are replugging to fight the Matrix from inside. Easy to understand.
Then comes Matrix 2:
There's the twins who come outta nowhere, the agent is back this time with clones, the keymaker is revealed, and had no reference from the 1st part, etc. They tried to cram too many things in, that if it had worked, it would've been a masterpiece, like Matrix 1. So, Xenogears is like that: if it had worked, then it would've been a masterpiece. But, everything became clouded because of it's complexity.
By the way, I did understand the whole story behind Xenogears. That's why I am judging it the way I am. It is complex, no doubt about it. If I didn't understand it, why would I talk about it?
[quote name='nintendokid']By the way, the whole argument in regards to Matrix as a comparison goes like this:
Matrix 1 was good, because it introduced us into a world where you could possibly end up. It was easy to follow. We are stored, drained of energy, and we live in a programmed world. Easy to understand. Some are learning that the Matrix is not real and are unplugging, and are replugging to fight the Matrix from inside. Easy to understand.
Then comes Matrix 2:
There's the twins who come outta nowhere, the agent is back this time with clones, the keymaker is revealed, and had no reference from the 1st part, etc. They tried to cram too many things in, that if it had worked, it would've been a masterpiece, like Matrix 1. So, Xenogears is like that: if it had worked, then it would've been a masterpiece. But, everything became clouded because of it's complexity.
By the way, I did understand the whole story behind Xenogears. That's why I am judging it the way I am. It is complex, no doubt about it. If I didn't understand it, why would I talk about it?[/quote]
Obviously a plot is going ot be easier to understand if you reduce it to its most basic element. So Xenogears. A man tries to rule the world by forming a new god. Easy to understand. A girl that forms the bridge between higher and lower classes becomes the saint of a world falling into disarray. Easy to understand.
There are a lot of smaller intricacies in each that make it so great. Like I said, The Matrix is full of some (sometimes very subtle) biblical references, and all the small details about the plot.
Matrix 1 was good, because it introduced us into a world where you could possibly end up. It was easy to follow. We are stored, drained of energy, and we live in a programmed world. Easy to understand. Some are learning that the Matrix is not real and are unplugging, and are replugging to fight the Matrix from inside. Easy to understand.
Then comes Matrix 2:
There's the twins who come outta nowhere, the agent is back this time with clones, the keymaker is revealed, and had no reference from the 1st part, etc. They tried to cram too many things in, that if it had worked, it would've been a masterpiece, like Matrix 1. So, Xenogears is like that: if it had worked, then it would've been a masterpiece. But, everything became clouded because of it's complexity.
By the way, I did understand the whole story behind Xenogears. That's why I am judging it the way I am. It is complex, no doubt about it. If I didn't understand it, why would I talk about it?[/quote]
Obviously a plot is going ot be easier to understand if you reduce it to its most basic element. So Xenogears. A man tries to rule the world by forming a new god. Easy to understand. A girl that forms the bridge between higher and lower classes becomes the saint of a world falling into disarray. Easy to understand.
There are a lot of smaller intricacies in each that make it so great. Like I said, The Matrix is full of some (sometimes very subtle) biblical references, and all the small details about the plot.
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It's not called slow, it's called at the time, I could care less about psychology, which by the way, is one of the most disliked subjects anyway. It was only until I was forced to pick a social science class that I learned about what the meaning of Id actually is. To put it in perspective, if I start talking about Freud, and someone hasn't heard of Freudian theories, they are not slow - they just can care less. And when I actually knew what the literal meaning of Id was, it was like "okay, I already knew that existed" gee whiz, don't prance around like you are some smarty pants. Everyone knows that different psyches exist and some are instinct driven. They just don't know the professional terms for it. And by the way, having multiple personalities has a term, it's called "disassociated identities". Do I call you slow for not listing the proper term? No.
I tried to be nice about it... where the hell is your college degree[/quote]
I'm not trying to be a smartass. Just putting in my two sense. Your just trying to think to hard. Your just trying to say that in order to enjoy Xenogears you need to know alot about psychology. When incase you don't. I have never taken a psychology class and I understand the concept of "Id". Your just trying to say those rpg games suck because you don't understand the story well.
Sorry about using the word slow, didn't mean to offend you. Just couldn't think of a nicer word at the time.
As for my college degree I'm working on it.
It's not called slow, it's called at the time, I could care less about psychology, which by the way, is one of the most disliked subjects anyway. It was only until I was forced to pick a social science class that I learned about what the meaning of Id actually is. To put it in perspective, if I start talking about Freud, and someone hasn't heard of Freudian theories, they are not slow - they just can care less. And when I actually knew what the literal meaning of Id was, it was like "okay, I already knew that existed" gee whiz, don't prance around like you are some smarty pants. Everyone knows that different psyches exist and some are instinct driven. They just don't know the professional terms for it. And by the way, having multiple personalities has a term, it's called "disassociated identities". Do I call you slow for not listing the proper term? No.
I tried to be nice about it...
where the hell is your college degree[/quote]I'm not trying to be a smartass. Just putting in my two sense. Your just trying to think to hard. Your just trying to say that in order to enjoy Xenogears you need to know alot about psychology. When incase you don't. I have never taken a psychology class and I understand the concept of "Id". Your just trying to say those rpg games suck because you don't understand the story well.
Sorry about using the word slow, didn't mean to offend you. Just couldn't think of a nicer word at the time.
As for my college degree I'm working on it.
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[quote name='Cloud']ok, when I was writting that pole I wanted to put best PS1 FF.[/quote]
well they kinda did release FF1,2,4,5,6 on the PS1
well they kinda did release FF1,2,4,5,6 on the PS1
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Final Fantasy Anthology had FF5 and FF6 on it
Final Fantasy Chronicles had FF4 on it
Final Fantasy Origins had FF1 and FF2 on it
i'm not sure but you might be able to change the poll by editing the first post in this thread
Final Fantasy Chronicles had FF4 on it
Final Fantasy Origins had FF1 and FF2 on it
i'm not sure but you might be able to change the poll by editing the first post in this thread
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Of the three listed, I chose FF7. I still really enjoyed FF8 and I have not had a chance to get to FF9 yet.
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