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http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm

Politically Incorrect
Poll: over 40% of Canadian teens think America is "evil"
by Arthur Weinreb

June 30, 2004

Can West News Services, owners of several Canadian newspapers including the National Post as well as the Global Television Network commissioned a series of polls to determine how young people feel about the issues that were facing the country’s voters. Dubbed "Youth Vote 2004", the polls, sponsored by the Dominion Institute and Navigator Ltd. were taken with a view to getting more young people involved in the political process.

In one telephone poll of teens between the ages of 14 and 18, over 40 per cent of the respondents described the United States as being "evil". That number rose to 64 per cent for French Canadian youth.

This being Canada, the amount of anti-Americanism that was found is not surprising. What is significant is the high number of teens who used the word "evil" to describe our southern neighbour. As Misty Harris pointed out in her column in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix, evil is usually associated with serial killers and "kids who tear the legs off baby spiders." These teens appear to equate George W. Bush and Americans with Osama bin Laden and Hitler, although it is unknown if the teens polled would describe the latter two as being evil. Whether someone who orders planes to be flown into heavily populated buildings would fit that description would make a good subject for a future poll.

The Liberal government came into power in 1993 gushing anti-Americanism. Former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien’s communications director, Francoise Ducros, made headlines when she referred to President Bush as a moron. Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish was picked up on a boom microphone saying, "Damn Americans — I hate those bastards". Not only did Parrish not apologize for her remarks, but she later appeared on a television show hosted by alleged comedian Mike Bullard and laughed about the incident. Parrish played to the anti-Americanism of the youthful studio audience by saying that she couldn’t guarantee that she wouldn’t do it again.

Not only did then Prime Minister Jean Chrétien not take any action against his staff or caucus members, he himself engaged in America-bashing. The depth of his anti-Americanism surfaced shortly after the 9/11 attacks when he blamed the arrogance and greed of the West (read the United States) for those attacks.

When Paul Martin assumed office last December, the childish cheap shots ended but, if anything, anti-Americanism became stronger.

Anti-Americanism played a prominent role in the election strategy of the Liberals. Paul Martin portrayed himself as the saviour of Canadian medicare while saying that if Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party of Canada came to power they would introduce "American-style" health care. Martin was happy to take credit for cutting taxes and eliminating the deficit during the 1990s when he was Minister of Finance, but he referred to tax cuts included in the Conservative Party platform as being "American-style tax cuts". Canadians who favour lower taxes or the private delivery of health care services or smaller governments or anything similar to what is found in the United States were called "un-Canadian" by Paul Martin.

It is therefore not surprising that a high percentage of Canadian youth think that the United States is evil. Nor is it surprising that this feeling is more pronounced in Quebec where Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe said that he would rather live under the United Nations than the Stars and Stripes. The left wing Canadian political parties, aided by their supporters in the elite media don’t seem to be able to say anything positive about Canada without denigrating the United States in the process.

The poll results reflect that anti-Americanism will be solidly entrenched in future generations of Canadians. As well as listening to the propaganda espoused by their political leaders and the media, these kids have no experience with what constitutes real evil. They live in a country that much like pre-9/11 America, thinks that terrorist attacks are something that happens in other countries. And as the World War II veterans slowly die off, they have no conviction of the evil that the allies risked their lives to defeat.

With anti-Americanism playing such a prominent role in this past election campaign, it is no wonder that the United States was viewed in such a negative light.

Arthur Weinreb, a lawyer and author, is Associate Editor of Toronto Free Press and Canadafreepress.com. He can be reached at: [email protected]
 
[quote name='btantra']Well, you have to respect their opinion and to some extent, I have to agree with the news.[/quote]

No, actually I don't.
 
Well, this is a free country with freedom of speech, so I respect the fact that you don't agree with their opinion too, everyone is entitled with opinion
 
I'm curious as to how many AMERICAN teens see the American Government as evil.

Just about every teen I know would say so. Of course this is slightly slanted. Most of the teens I know come from lower income families. Maybe if the Bush tax cuts actually worked for thier families, it would be a different story...
 
[quote name='btantra']Well, this is a free country with freedom of speech, so I respect the fact that you don't agree with their opinion too, everyone is entitled with opinion[/quote]

I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.
 
Besides, it's not only the Canadians think that America is evil now. Most of the world think that way now. If you don't believe me, well, you should read more news.
 
America IS evil. What's the problem here? That someone else is pointing it out?
 
[quote name='jmcc']America IS evil. What's the problem here? That someone else is pointing it out?[/quote]


Living here my whole life (USA) , I must say that I think greed is the first thing in everyone's life , what they want to get , what they already have. The funny part is when you die say bye-bye to all the SHIT you bought.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk']Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.[/quote]

Our startling dearth of supervillains doesn't mean we're not evil.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk']Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.[/quote]

Evil = Bad, wrong...Badong if you will.

How are they supposed to view a country that is engaging in a war that they started while at the same time making fun of Canadiens any chance they get, eh? Some people here in the states have an incredibly crappy view of the US why should people who get all thier information from forign (spelling, i know...) news think any different?
 
[quote name='Wshakspear'][quote name='PsyClerk']Sounds like a lot of folks need to learn what 'evil' means.[/quote]

Evil = Bad, wrong...Badong if you will.

How are they supposed to view a country that is engaging in a war that they started while at the same time making fun of Canadiens any chance they get, eh? Some people here in the states have an incredibly crappy view of the US why should people who get all thier information from forign (spelling, i know...) news think any different?[/quote]

While I'm sure that's what the Canadians were talking about it's not what makes us evil. We drain the world's resources more than any other nation and we have almost a complete disregard for the environment at home and abroad. Petty political actions like the Iraq invasion are small change in the grand scheme of how we're screwing up the planet.
 
[quote name='jmcc']While I'm sure that's what the Canadians were talking about it's not what makes us evil. We drain the world's resources more than any other nation and we have almost a complete disregard for the environment at home and abroad. Petty political actions like the Iraq invasion are small change in the grand scheme of how we're screwing up the planet.[/quote]

And right underneath his post, a tagline that encourages the consumerism that can be 'blamed' for that same resource drain, disregard for the environment, etc.

Oh sweet irony! Delicious like a warm sticky bun straight from the oven on a cold winter morn!

Only $1.99 at Hardee's!
 
Oh, belive me, i know. But watching the cbc, they do cover the iraq war quite a bit, and its not always in the nicest of light...unlike, say, FoxNews.

And im also getting annoyed ith people saying were the best country in the world because of free speech and the like. Really? So the FCC isnt making it so all radio sounds like Disney? So buisness run in Florida dont have the option of a smoking area, even if it means the decimation of said buisness?

I'm enjoying my little corner of the world here in my comic book store, but even we are getting pressured based on content. A law was passed, but thankfully the state prosecuters arnt holding to it, where not only if a book has a violent/sexual image on the cover has to be put out of kids eyes (mostly understandable), but any book that has bad things in it with a perfectly fine cover have to hidden away. What the shit is that?

I really should rant in the morning....im gonna go move stuff...
 
[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='jmcc']While I'm sure that's what the Canadians were talking about it's not what makes us evil. We drain the world's resources more than any other nation and we have almost a complete disregard for the environment at home and abroad. Petty political actions like the Iraq invasion are small change in the grand scheme of how we're screwing up the planet.[/quote]

And right underneath his post, a tagline that encourages the consumerism that can be 'blamed' for that same resource drain, disregard for the environment, etc.

Oh sweet irony! Delicious like a warm sticky bun straight from the oven on a cold winter morn!

Only $1.99 at Hardee's![/quote]

You shut your goddamned mouth, Psyclerk! The sticky bun is pure good! Never again mention it as anecdotal evidence of consumeristic evil!
 
[quote name='CTLesq']I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.[/quote]

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.

Evil sounds like a corny word to describe America, so I will instead say that it is an arrogant, wastful, destructive crybaby of a country. At least, some people in it and a lot of it's current leaders are. I know that a lot of people want to change the "destructive" and "wasteful" parts. I won't say that it isn't a fine place to live, but England and Canada and Australia and plenty of other countries are just as good. It's not necessarily the people, but it's the dumbfounding, completly against-policy actions of our president and his administration. This could be a perfectly fine country (as in, one that doesn't rape the planet and start random wars), but it's just the mindset that people like Bush have that's keeping this from being a country that I (or a lot of the rest of the world) can respect politically. Honestly, when there are millions of people that believe in what I quoted, what do you expect? For the world to think that that's really wonderful? Honestly, America's problems in world standing are it's own fault. There is so much that Bush has done wrong, none of the world-wide resentment of the US could possibly be a suprise. I want so bad for it to be a better country, and if people want the world to stop hating us...then quit being arrogant fools. Ug. I don't want to get into this any further. It's complicated. I don't hate America/American's, I just think some things need to be quite a bit different.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='CTLesq']I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.[/quote]

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.[/quote]

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL
 
If another country's population thinks we are 'evil' that implies that they are not, thus, logically, they believe they are better than the US.

Therefore, it has been put forth that if another country's population believes itself better than that of the US, then this is acceptable and should be considered normal. On the other hand, if the US population believes itself to be above that of another country's population, it is 'arrogance.'

Thanks for clearing that up, chief.

Verily.
 
[quote name='johnnyoski']CT[/quote]

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL[/quote]


What an ignorant post. Its a crying shame that our troops serve our country for jackasses that think like that ![/quote]

Funny as I am a CPT in the JAG Reserves thank you very much.

I fail to see how you can even remotely challenge my assertion of American cultural dominance.

Even the French have a Disney Land.
 
[quote name='Wshakspear']When Canada attacks, at least Conan O'Brien will be saved...[/quote]
Yeah, they loved him in Toronto. Them were some good shows.
 
Uh...saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them. And how do you define "better" exactly, anyway? But yeah, that makes no sense. Any way, fuck this topic. It's stupid and pointless. My take:


Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
ooh, they're red, white and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail To The Chief",
oh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,

It ain't me, it ain't me,
I ain't no senator's son,
It ain't me, it ain't me,
I ain't no fortunate one, no,
 
[quote name='Bann'][quote name='Wshakspear']When Canada attacks, at least Conan O'Brien will be saved...[/quote]
Yeah, they loved him in Toronto. Them were some good shows.[/quote]

I loved the race between the Seattle Space Needle and Toronto's CN Tower when the mounty tripped the space needle...too funny. damnit, now i want to watch those again
 
Those were good episodes. My favorite bit: when Adam Sandler was on, and every other guest on the show had been a Canadian, and he said something to the effect of:
"No, no, I'm a Canadian. I'm from...Sasquatchenon."
 
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='CTLesq']I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.[/quote]

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.[/quote]

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL[/quote]

what
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Uh...saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them.[/quote]

Certainly implies that the one making the statement is not evil. I know, tough concept. But we're pretty lax on grades around here.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']And how do you define "better" exactly, anyway?[/quote]

Hey, looks like someone read Clinton's book!

*rimshot*

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']But yeah, that makes no sense. Any way, shaq-fu this topic. It's stupid and pointless.[/quote]

Translation: I have no idea why I posted here in the first place. Since I can't make myself look cool, I'll skulk away.

Thank you, goodnight, we love you AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

/arrogant WORLD CITIZEN, thank you very much
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='CTLesq']I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.[/quote]

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.[/quote]

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL[/quote]

what[/quote]

Its very easy to follow.
 
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='ElwoodCuse'][quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='CTLesq']I didn't say they weren't entitled to an opinion. That I would pee all over it is another matter.[/quote]

That kind of thinking is the problem with Americans. Totally arrogant.[/quote]

You know why I am an arrogant American?

Because I can be.

You want to know why I know less about the world and the world knows more about me?

Because I am more important.

You know why? Cultural dominance.

You are all cultural colonies of the US.

I don't apoligize for being better. I don't have to.

CTL[/quote]

what[/quote]

Its very easy to follow.[/quote]

Yeah, it's like a Toby Keith song.
 
Is there something surprising from this? Its not like American politicians dont warn against Canadian/European style govts. Im sure at least 40% of Americans (and not just kids) think Canada is evil cause they think Canada is Socialist and if they are socialist, then they must be commie pinko bastards.
Coffee, saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion.....and CTL if you are looking for a challenge to American cultural dominance, look to the original post. If America Dominated there wouldnt be the criticism. We influence, more than other countries will admit, but less than you think.
 
[quote name='starman9000']We influence, more than other countries will admit, but less than you think.[/quote]

And often not in a positive way.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk']Certainly implies that the one making the statement is not evil. I know, tough concept. But we're pretty lax on grades around here.[/quote]

No. No it does not. Does calling someone good mean that you are implying that you yourself are not good? No. You can achknowledge things weather you are evil or good or whatever. Objectivity is not limited to the beholder being "good" or "evil." Oh, and thank you for calling me stupid in such a creative way. I really appreciate it, and now I respect you a lot more because of it. Obviously, it is necessary for you to do that to defend yourself and make your point.

[quote name='PsyClerk']Hey, looks like someone read Clinton's book!

*rimshot*[/quote]

No. No I did not. Hardly knew that it existed. Clever and presumptuous of you, though. TOUCHE. By "better," I was asking on what grounds.




[quote name='PsyClerk']Translation: I have no idea why I posted here in the first place. Since I can't make myself look cool, I'll skulk away.

Thank you, goodnight, we love you AAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL!

/arrogant WORLD CITIZEN, thank you very much[/quote]

No. There is nothing I can do to change your opinion. You don't care about other ideas. You don't want to hear it. So I would be wasting my time. I've said what I need to say, and I don't feel the need to make myself look "cool." So I guess that's all any of this is about, huh? Looking cool? Well, I'm glad to know that your politics/opinions are so deep.
 
[quote name='starman9000']Coffee, saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion[/quote]

Uh...Isn't that exactly what I said? Are you tyring to correct me or something? Or are you agreeing?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Oh, and thank you for calling me stupid in such a creative way.[/quote]

*sniff* No one's ever THANKED me before. God bless you sir/madam!

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No. No I did not. Hardly knew that it existed.[/quote]

Wow, that's a new one. Hardly knew it existed? What cave do you live in, 'cause I wanna move!

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No. There is nothing I can do to change your opinion. You don't care about other ideas. You don't want to hear it. So I would be wasting my time.[/quote]

Man, you should go read that post where that one guy calls that other guy presumptuous.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I've said what I need to say, and I don't feel the need to make myself look "cool." So I guess that's all any of this is about, huh? Looking cool? Well, I'm glad to know that your politics/opinions are so deep.[/quote]

Ah, don't worry about it too much, jerky. Though thanks for making it absolutely clear that you missed my point.
 
The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted. And anyone who doesn't believe we are the richest mofo's in the world has got problems. The only thing I wish is that we would freaking give back a lil to the world; ie: Africa...


And my personal bash: Anyone who doesn't like it in America, there's the door. Another great thing about America is that you can easily leave the country if you're a citizen. So stop whining and get the hell out. Or shut up and sit down. But of course, you're entitled to your amendment rights...
 
[quote name='nikkai']The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted.[/quote]

That argument is obnoxious. Why do people want to make people feel guilty for doing what they are allowed to do?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='starman9000']Coffee, saying another country is evil doesnt imply you are better it is a straight forward assertion[/quote]

Uh...Isn't that exactly what I said? Are you tyring to correct me or something? Or are you agreeing?[/quote]


Well I guess I misunderstood this statement: "Uh...saying that someone is evil does not imply that you are better than them."
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge'][quote name='nikkai']The fact that posts like this can happen is the beauty of America. We take this country for granted.[/quote]

That argument is obnoxious. Why do people want to make people feel guilty for doing what they are allowed to do?[/quote]

Um. What're you talking about? I'm being sincere. That's the problem with posting, people always think someone is being sarcastic when they're not. I guess I need the [sincere] [/sincere] tags to make sure they're not the [sacrcasm] [/sarcasm]. =P
 
[quote name='PsyClerk']
*sniff* No one's ever THANKED me before. God bless you sir/madam! [/quote]

Wow. How can I contend with such wit? That's the best argument I've ever heard! I feel like a real moron compared to this. Sarcasticly taking a sarcastic statement seriously rather than defending your view, now that's clever! Now I really want to take you seriously!

[quote name='PsyClerk']Wow, that's a new one. Hardly knew it existed? What cave do you live in, 'cause I wanna move! [/quote]

Oh ho! Funny! Taking me extremly literally! Good one. I mean I don't know anything about it. I've heard that he wrote a book of his memoirs, though.

[quote name='PsyClerk']Man, you should go read that post where that one guy calls that other guy presumptuous. [/quote]

Not "you" as in PsyClerk. "You" as in people like that. I guess I should have said "you people." Oh, and was it presumptuous of me to think that I couldn't change your opinion? So that means I can?

[quote name='PsyClerk']
Ah, don't worry about it too much, jerky. Though thanks for making it absolutely clear that you missed my point. [/quote]

What? You missed my point by implying, with your "translation" of me not wanting to be involved in this nonsense, that all I wanted to do was "look cool." I see your point, and I said I don't care enough to want to change you opinion, nor do I want to. Not my place. Obviously, though, your point includes making insulting me with such mind-numbing genius as "jerky." God. That's just genius.
 
Starman, both of our statements mean the same thing. I just didn't mention the assertion thing. Oh, and I said "someone" rather that "another country."

I said = Saying that someone/thing is evil does not imply that you think you are better than them

You said = Saying another country is evil does not imply you think you are better, it's a straight foward assertion.

How could you misunderstand me?
 
I think Ben Franklin said it best: "Watch out countries cause you know we don't love ya, America is one bad motherf.ucker. We's a low life pimp with a low life game, we needs a no life country with a strobe light frame."
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Starman, both of our statements mean the same thing. I just didn't mention the assertion thing. Oh, and I said "someone" rather that "another country."

I said = Saying that someone/thing is evil does not imply that you think you are better than them

You said = Saying another country is evil does not imply you think you are better, it's a straight foward assertion.

How could you misunderstand me?[/quote]

Pretty easily actually. Read what you said. You implied that the person making the statement doesnt think they are better. I actually dont think I misunderstood you. I think you dont even understand yourself.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Wow. How can I contend with such wit?[/quote]

Well, DUH! You can't!

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Oh ho! Funny! Taking me extremly literally! Good one. I mean I don't know anything about it. I've heard that he wrote a book of his memoirs, though.[/quote]

Vincent: What's a pilot?

Jules: Well, you know the shows on TV?

Vincent: I don't watch TV.

Jules: Yes, but you're aware that there's an invention called television, and on that invention, they show shows?

Made me think of that. Need to do some Pulp Fiction screen caps.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Not "you" as in PsyClerk. "You" as in people like that. I guess I should have said "you people." Oh, and was it presumptuous of me to think that I couldn't change your opinion? So that means I can?[/quote]

Are you SURE you didn't read Clinton's book?

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Obviously, though, your point includes making insulting me with such mind-numbing genius as "jerky." God. That's just genius.[/quote]

ISN'T it though? I sometimes amaze myself.

You know, for a guy that said this whole topic was stupid and pointless, you sure do post a lot on it.

BTW, if you haven't figured it out, pretty much everything I've posted on this topic (hell, almost all of CAG) is meant to be taken in a humorous (that is, non-serious) vein. You either have a poor sense of humor, or feel your position is so tenuous that you must defend it even from simple teasing. Either way, I hope you can find a good laugh somewhere. You appear to need it badly, like a Wizard in Gauntlet needs food.

And don't worry, you get exempt from my evil machinations from here on out. Sticks-in-the-mud turn me off.

Now, for the rest of you...WHO LOVES ME?!? Let's see a show of hands, and don't be bashful.

Be sure to order my new book, How To Be An Arrogant American, for only three easy payments of $29.95. Order now and we'll throw in a free illustrated book cover featuring 512 WACKY ways for Osama bin Laden to buy the farm!
 
[quote name='jmcc']I think Ben Franklin said it best: "Watch out countries cause you know we don't love ya, America is one bad motherf.ucker. We's a low life pimp with a low life game, we needs a no life country with a strobe light frame."[/quote]

Benny Frank (his street name) kept it real. I think he was from Compton.
 
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