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Man, this guy really sums up my feelings about fatties (maybe this will even out the anti-French threads ;) ):

http://www.zipperfish.com/rants/rants-fat.html

Americans are fat for one reason and one reason alone. It is acceptable. Smokers are shunned, and laws are based to stop it. Drug users are thrown in jail, and pot is illegal. Drinkers are also feeling the vice grip of society, no longer do we have the martini drinking "Brat Pack," and drinking deaths and accidents make the front page. One would not think twice to berate a smoker anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

"That's killing you, you know!" A non smoker often yells at a smoker. "And that second hand smoke is killing me. It's a disgusting habit."

Yet you would not imagine yelling at a fat person. "That's it fatty. Stuff some more in your big fat mouth. That donut is killing you, you know."

Obese people are disgusting. They hobble along on ankles that were never meant to support such weight. They need electronic wheel chairs and vehicles just to move around. They eat so much, it is unfathomable to think of the amount of food needed to maintain such a weight. Pounds and pounds of food. Gallons of liquid... soda & milk. Cookies and snacks, eating 5, 6, 7 times a day.

These people take up my place on a plane, hold up my space in lines, and want special treatment. Their flabby arms look like loaves of bread. Their butts stick out like shelves, their necks are like huge turkey gobblers. Just seeing them makes me want to puke

Yet saying this makes me wrong. Insensitive. A bigot. ...
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Yes. They aren't called MORBIDLY obese because they're a pleasure to look at. I don't buy the 'I can help it' defense. Look at other animals in the world. Have you ever seen an obese giraffe? A fat horse? Rhinos have thick skin, and a shitload of muscles. Walrusses need a thick layer of fat to survive in the freezing water, they are fat as a species. Humans don't have a valid reason to weigh 400 pounds and its fucking disgusting.
 
Ya, as we all know making fun of fat people causes them to loose weight :roll: . If you think you can get rid of fat people by making in more unacceptable (as it is not considered acceptable now), then you're clueless.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Ya, as we all know making fun of fat people causes them to loose weight :roll: . If you think you can get rid of fat people by making in more unacceptable (as it is not considered acceptable now), then you're clueless.[/QUOTE]

I'm not making fat jokes. I didn't insult anyone. I didn't say Rosey O'Donnel is so fuckin fat, she struck oil last time she wore high heels.

I said being 400 pounds is not healthy, not normal and in my mind, not acceptable.

But then I really dont give a damn if my distaste for fat people offends you or anyone else. I'm not hounding anyone saying they must lose weight. I just stated my agreement with the op. Speaking of which, also did not insult anyone.
 
Reality's Fringe said:
No one ever died of second hand fat(unless, you know, someone was crushed) and the same can be said for "Driving while disgustingly bovine".
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I just saw the other week where a toddler was crushed and killed by a fat woman who fell in DC.

Anyway, I work with a really fat dude and it's disgusting. The guy smells, everything on his desk is sticky, and he falls asleep when talking to you. He's already totalled two cars in the past year because he's fallen asleep on the road and his arms are pock marked with fat blotchy reddish-purple scabs from his diabetes shots. The man doesn't walk, he waddles, and yes - I've seen the buckets of fried chicken and ribs that this fatty eats.

It sucks because I shouldn't be forced to work with that, I'd much rather work with an occasional smoker or someone who enjoys a nip or two of vodka in the morning or afternoon.
 
Reality's Fringe said:
No one ever died of second hand fat(unless, you know, someone was crushed)
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You know, this struck me as very funny. I love the concept of "second hand fat".

Skinny husband marries skinny woman. Skinny husband stays that way, wife gets fat.

Wife complains "You don't make love to me anymore the way you used to."

Husband states, "I'm worried your second hand fat will make me go limp."
 
well, with some people it may be genetics, but i doubt there's some 450 pound lard-gene... unless someone in the family did an elephant...


wheeee making fun of fatties!


...also reading this article is making me hungry: i dont think thats right
 
[quote name='Kayden']I'm not making fat jokes. I didn't insult anyone. I didn't say Rosey O'Donnel is so fuckin fat, she struck oil last time she wore high heels.

I said being 400 pounds is not healthy, not normal and in my mind, not acceptable.

But then I really dont give a damn if my distaste for fat people offends you or anyone else. I'm not hounding anyone saying they must lose weight. I just stated my agreement with the op. Speaking of which, also did not insult anyone.[/QUOTE]

My comment was to the op and the person who wrote the article, whose suggestion was to essentially make it more socially unacceptable and more humiliating and that would help solve the problem.

Though, as to your work issue camoor, I really think that has more to do with the person and other, non fat related issues.
 
Its interesting. Most of my friends are fat. They seem to eat fatty foods- with little regard to their health. I myself gained a lot of weight a few years ago and now I am doing everything to change my physique. That inclueds eating salad everyday, not going to fast food joints, walking home instead of driving home, etc.

So in my new lifestyle of losing weight, I am often alienating my friends. Its like my friends are now my worst enemies.
 
I hate fat people and have no respect for them....unless they're Italian or Hawaiin, because that shit is in their genes.
 
[quote name='Rich']I hate fat people and have no respect for them....unless they're Italian or Hawaiin, because that shit is in their genes.[/QUOTE]

Yes, or ppl with a gland problem. However have you ever actually been to Italy - most people there are actually fairly skinny (as with most of Europe). For some reason, when you cross the Atlantic suddenly Italian food is loaded up on pasta/bread, the vegatables have been ditched, and it's acceptable for Italian-Americans look more like Mario then Luigi.

Samoans are just big people, but that's cool because they carry it well, and we certainly need linebackers for the foozball teams.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']My comment was to the op and the person who wrote the article, whose suggestion was to essentially make it more socially unacceptable and more humiliating and that would help solve the problem.

Though, as to your work issue camoor, I really think that has more to do with the person and other, non fat related issues.[/QUOTE]

As the article points out, smoking, drinking, and non-prescription drugs carry a social stigma - and guess what, they are all controlled to a reasonable degree. I just wish an anti-fat ad campaign could get a fraction of the money the anti-smoking people have. Nothing pisses me off more then "fat-acceptance" groups - I mean, I don't see a "alcoholic-acceptance" group.

And if you want to see what the result would be, look at Europe, China, or Japan - they don't have an out-of-control fatty problem.
 
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So in my new lifestyle of losing weight, I am often alienating my friends. Its like my friends are now my worst enemies.[/QUOTE]

Then they are probably just bitter that they are too weak to do what you are. That, or you're being a dick about it and rubbing it in their faces... its hard to say from here.
 
[quote name='camoor']As the article points out, smoking, drinking, and non-prescription drugs carry a social stigma[/QUOTE]

If you don't think being fat carries a social stigma, then you need to read the comments in this thread again. Do you know that the cheap and easy-to-prepare food is also the highest in fat and sugar? Do you have any idea how hard it is to lose weight? I would love to be able to lose all the weight I want. It's just not that easy. If it was, the diet industry wouldn't be so huge in America.

This has to be one of the most fucking retarded topics I have ever seen here.
 
I'm all for getting a tax and/or insurance break if you maintain a healthy lifestyle. Medical costs related to obesity, smoking, etc. are sky-rocketing, meaning that health care premiums have to go up. If I can prove that my weight and cholestrol are within normal levels, why shouldn't I get a break? It would encourage people to live healthier life-styles.
 
Dieting is a stupid term. Diet is what ever you eat. To say you're going on a diet would literally imply you weren't eating anything to begin with.

The reason 'diets' dont work is because people are weak willed. "Just this once wont hurt" would be true if 'just this once' wasn't every 30 minutes. People gain all the weight back because as soon as they reach their goal, they start shovelling food and stop exercising. If eating right and exercising didn't work, people wouldn't lose any weight to begin with. It does work, you just have to not stop doing it after you reach your goal.

The diet industry is so huge in America because people are fucking stupid. Losing weight is easy if you just put down the McDonalds and exercise regularly. My mom is 42 and she just lost like 50 pounds by changing her diet and exercising more. I lost 50 pounds myself in the 8th grade. How? I stopped eating fast food, I quit drinking pop and I got off my fat ass and started exercising. My grandpa is 65. He lost like 60 pounds and all he does is go for a walk everyday.

It't not that its that hard, its just that Americans are THAT lazy. There isn't a pill that will make you super buff while you weigh the couch down watching American Idol. That's why the diet industry is huge in this country. Everyone wants something for nothing.

Is getting the perfect body easy? No. I used to do over 400 sit ups a day and I still didn't get a 6 pack. However, I didn't have 20 extra pounds on my gut either.

Think being fat is 'normal'? Ok, pop quiz. Where do you see the most fat people, at the buffet or at the health club? Where do you see the most skinny people? Health club or buffet?

Puzzling....
 
[quote name='Kayden']Yes. They aren't called MORBIDLY obese because they're a pleasure to look at. I don't buy the 'I can help it' defense. Look at other animals in the world. Have you ever seen an obese giraffe? A fat horse? Rhinos have thick skin, and a shitload of muscles. Walrusses need a thick layer of fat to survive in the freezing water, they are fat as a species. Humans don't have a valid reason to weigh 400 pounds and its fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE]

Dude, seriously, you've never seen a fat horse? Or a fat dog? Hell, "fat cats" are so common-place as to beget their own idiom. There's plenty of pudge in the animal kingdom.

However, that doesn't excuse fat people. Barring a true medical reason (overactive thyroid can do it), eat less and move around a little more tubby. If you can't leave your bed anymore, and momma has to wash you with a rag on a stick, don't call Oprah and stop calling Domino's for Jebus' sake. Start eating some frigging lettuce and get your jiggly arse moving.
 
[quote name='Fanboy']Dude, seriously, you've never seen a fat horse? Or a fat dog? Hell, "fat cats" are so common-place as to beget their own idiom. There's plenty of pudge in the animal kingdom.[/QUOTE]

Those are all domesticated animals. It's their fucking owners' fault.

Speaking of fat cats:

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No, it's not mine. I have no pets. (though I'm currently taking care of a friend's parrot)
 
[quote name='Fanboy']Dude, seriously, you've never seen a fat horse? Or a fat dog? Hell, "fat cats" are so common-place as to beget their own idiom. There's plenty of pudge in the animal kingdom.[/QUOTE]

When domesticated, they can get fat. In the wild, very rarely.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']If you don't think being fat carries a social stigma, then you need to read the comments in this thread again. Do you know that the cheap and easy-to-prepare food is also the highest in fat and sugar? Do you have any idea how hard it is to lose weight? I would love to be able to lose all the weight I want. It's just not that easy. If it was, the diet industry wouldn't be so huge in America.



This has to be one of the most ing retarded topics I have ever seen here.[/QUOTE]



Oh come on now, MrBadExample, doesn’t it warm your heart to see there’s one issue where the left and the right of CAG can agree? The obese are, apparently, the elusive common enemy. ;)
 
[quote name='camoor']As the article points out, smoking, drinking, and non-prescription drugs carry a social stigma - and guess what, they are all controlled to a reasonable degree. I just wish an anti-fat ad campaign could get a fraction of the money the anti-smoking people have. Nothing pisses me off more then "fat-acceptance" groups - I mean, I don't see a "alcoholic-acceptance" group.

And if you want to see what the result would be, look at Europe, China, or Japan - they don't have an out-of-control fatty problem.[/QUOTE]

I see europe becoming fatter and fatter. The only reason smoking and alcohol campaigns get money is because your smoking is dangerous to me (second hand smoke) and so is your drinking (violence, drunk driving etc.) The premise for the article is wrong anyway, fat people are made fun of, and if things such as drinking aren't exactly looked down upon. Drinking is accepted, no one seems to care about drunk driving either, as long as your not falling over. But either way, this is a dumb topic. "Hey, let's point and laugh at the fat kid, that'll make him lose weight", that line of thinking is bullshit and doesn't work. If anything it makes them more upset and causes them to eat more.


Though mrbad also made another good point, try to go to a supermarket and buy healthy food, you'll spend a lot more money than you would for normal food. The more less money you have the harder it is not to get fat.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I'm all for getting a tax and/or insurance break if you maintain a healthy lifestyle. Medical costs related to obesity, smoking, etc. are sky-rocketing, meaning that health care premiums have to go up. If I can prove that my weight and cholestrol are within normal levels, why shouldn't I get a break? It would encourage people to live healthier life-styles.[/QUOTE]

I think this is a good idea. Health care costs are based on pretty generic things like age, sex, and whether you smoke or not. I'd love to get tested and provide more specific numbers if my costs would go down (and unhealthy people's costs should go up).
 
[quote name='Backlash']I think this is a good idea. Health care costs are based on pretty generic things like age, sex, and whether you smoke or not. I'd love to get tested and provide more specific numbers if my costs would go down (and unhealthy people's costs should go up).[/QUOTE]

Yeah, even if you have genetics going against you, be able to provide time sheets from a certified trainer showing that you at least participate at a gym and follow a workout.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I see europe becoming fatter and fatter. The only reason smoking and alcohol campaigns get money is because your smoking is dangerous to me (second hand smoke) and so is your drinking (violence, drunk driving etc.) The premise for the article is wrong anyway, fat people are made fun of, and if things such as drinking aren't exactly looked down upon. Drinking is accepted, no one seems to care about drunk driving either, as long as your not falling over. But either way, this is a dumb topic. "Hey, let's point and laugh at the fat kid, that'll make him lose weight", that line of thinking is bullshit and doesn't work. If anything it makes them more upset and causes them to eat more.


Though mrbad also made another good point, try to go to a supermarket and buy healthy food, you'll spend a lot more money than you would for normal food. The more less money you have the harder it is not to get fat.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. If you're out in public, I'm sure you've seen someone say to a smoker "you know that will kill you". And in the USA we have these "truth" ads running all the time about the danger of smoking. And bartenders can't serve a drunk.

But when it comes to overeating, noone can tell fattie to put down the box of 12 donuts without her getting in your face about it's her life and her body and you should accept it and oh, BTW here's a lawsuit from the fat acceptance group. Total BS, and I'm sick and tired of it.

I really like the idea of charging fat ppl more for their health insurance, I don't want to pay for some porker's diabetes needles just because they can't put down the 10th slice of boston creme pie.

Of course, I excuse the 2% of the population that has a medical problem or is from the siberian wilderness of Russia, where the people are naturally big.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I'm all for getting a tax and/or insurance break if you maintain a healthy lifestyle. Medical costs related to obesity, smoking, etc. are sky-rocketing, meaning that health care premiums have to go up. If I can prove that my weight and cholestrol are within normal levels, why shouldn't I get a break? It would encourage people to live healthier life-styles.[/QUOTE]

You do get a break in that you don't pay as much... I'm sure most health insurance costs more for the obese, particurally those with things like hypertension, high cholestrol, diabietes, etc. Also if you base it simply on weight then many people with a muscular build would be excluded as things like height/weight charts are horribly inaccurate in determining your weight range.
 
Most height weight charts call me borderline obese. At 6'4 I should weigh 180lbs. At 180 my mom threatened to put me in a hospital. At 210 GG thought I was still too thin.... so...
 
Basing it soley on weight is bad, thats why you should probably submit a physical too. The only people that would object are the ones that know they have a weight related problem.

I know you can have diabetes without being fat and you can be fat without having diabetes, but honestly, when someone needs insulin and they report their weight as 350... it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that theres a correlation.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']When domesticated, they can get fat. In the wild, very rarely.[/QUOTE]

I realize the animals I cited were domesticated, but Kayden's point was that -- blanket statement -- animals don't get fat.

Besides, wouldn't you consider most of the people around you domesticated? Then there must be some link between domestication, the availabilty of food, and obesity. Doesn't seem to matter whether you are a dog, cat or human being.

[quote name='MrBadExample']Do you know that the cheap and easy-to-prepare food is also the highest in fat and sugar? Do you have any idea how hard it is to lose weight? I would love to be able to lose all the weight I want. It's just not that easy.[/QUOTE]

Well boo hoo, Shirley. Sorry that changing your lifestyle might necessitate some effort and sacrifice.

Seriously, I would consider myself overweight, but I've found one of the best, easiest and *CAG*iest ways to drop the weight was to eat more rice and baked chicken (not a huge switch monetarily from pizza and fried chicken), take more walks and give up the damned soft drinks.

I still dabble in a Coke once in awhile, but I used to have one every day. That's some major calorie save-age right there.
 
[quote name='Fanboy']I still dabble in a Coke once in awhile...[/QUOTE]

That's actually a great way to lose weight, just look at the before and afters of Matthew Perry.
 
You're all idiots.

People are what they are. Look at a fat guy now, and look at them when they were in preschool, and I'll bet you they were fat then. So what, are you going to accuse a little kid of "eating too much?" Most (underline most) people are the way they are, + or - 20 or so pounds.

In my experience, fat people eat just like everyone else, and skinny people don't exclusively eat fruit and drink bottled water.

Most college students who drink beer every other day and down whole pizzas in a single sitting aren't fat. And how many fat people do you know that aren't on diets (that never seem to work)? It doesn't matter what you eat, your body is going to process it the way its going to process it.

Fat people are the last people that are acceptably mocked. We can't make fun of peoples' races any more, which means no more Black/Mexican/Polish jokes. Can't make fun of women any more either. So who's left? Fatties. And they're unfairly shouldering the brunt of insecure peoples' criticism.
 
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People are what they are. Look at a fat guy now, and look at them when they were in preschool, and I'll bet you they were fat then. So what, are you going to accuse a little kid of "eating too much?" Most (underline most) people are the way they are, + or - 20 or so pounds.

In my experience, fat people eat just like everyone else, and skinny people don't exclusively eat fruit and drink bottled water.

Most college students who drink beer every other day and down whole pizzas in a single sitting aren't fat. And how many fat people do you know that aren't on diets (that never seem to work)? It doesn't matter what you eat, your body is going to process it the way its going to process it.
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I disagree. I know tons of people (including like 80% of my extended family) who were skinny or normal when younger, and then got fat when they got older. Your example of the college kids is perfect. What happens? The body changes (metabolism slows down, etc) but the eating habits don't change.

Conversely, there are many succuess stories of fat people who have lost weight and are now healthy and attractive. Not as many as we'd like, but certainly enough to convince a rational person that it's possible for anyone (barring odd diseases - less than 1% probably).

You're basically saying that fat people don't need to take responsibility for their large size and poor health - that's a horrible attitude.
 
we dont need an army of Schwartsennagers (who, according to weigh:height is technically obese) marching down the street. If everyone drops/replaces a few unnecessarry things from their diets (that nightly cookie, the morning breakfast, etc.) and loses a few pounds, it could make a huge difference.

at that point its more preventing others from going obese than lowering weight. I don't really care what the guy said in the article, the whole cookie monster thing does help a bit: 3 year olds wont know any better and this way he's actually carrying a message
 
[quote name='Kayden']Most height weight charts call me borderline obese. At 6'4 I should weigh 180lbs. At 180 my mom threatened to put me in a hospital. At 210 GG thought I was still too thin.... so...[/QUOTE]

I'm about 6'3" 185, and people say I'm too thin. But if I had to choose either gaining 20 pounds or losing it, I'd lose it. :lol:

It takes alot of effort to work out (the only way I'd even consider gaining 20 lbs) and no effort to stop eating junk. :lol:
 
on a side note I think all foods should have calories on it not just in supermarkets, I know places do have it somewhere in the restuarants, but I think it should be on all the menus. Buts thats just my opinion on the obsese topic.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Yeah, even if you have genetics going against you, be able to provide time sheets from a certified trainer showing that you at least participate at a gym and follow a workout.[/QUOTE]

If you can't afford the gym (the cheapest around here is 200 bucks for a year), then you shouldn't be penalized for it. I can see giving people an insurance break, but they shouldn't penalize them for not attending.

I realize the animals I cited were domesticated, but Kayden's point was that -- blanket statement -- animals don't get fat.

Besides, wouldn't you consider most of the people around you domesticated? Then there must be some link between domestication, the availabilty of food, and obesity. Doesn't seem to matter whether you are a dog, cat or human being.
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If the animal is high ranking and the area has food they often get fat, if an animal is an an area with plenty of food they get fat (look at city pigeons). Animals get fat, they just don't often have the oppurtunity to.

Well boo hoo, Shirley. Sorry that changing your lifestyle might necessitate some effort and sacrifice.

Seriously, I would consider myself overweight, but I've found one of the best, easiest and *CAG*iest ways to drop the weight was to eat more rice and baked chicken (not a huge switch monetarily from pizza and fried chicken), take more walks and give up the damned soft drinks.

I still dabble in a Coke once in awhile, but I used to have one every day. That's some major calorie save-age right there.
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If healthy food cost more, a lot of people can't afford it. Besides, my mother eats twice a day (sometimes three, but the third is one of those drinks that replaces a meal), and usually small-normal amounts. She eats normal food basically, not real fattening stuff like cake and junk food (she doesn't eat land animals, just vegetables and fish) either. She's 5'2 and 240 pounds, but she eats less than most. She also walks the dog around the block 1-2 times a day as well. That's pretty much my whole family, even myself, if I ate 3 normal meals a day I'd be a blimp (as I used to and was fat). I eat twice, and usually around 1400-1800 calories a day (about 800-1100 in juice) and am about average for my size, with just a little stomach. One of my friends eats about 5 meals a day (often high fat/calorie too) and is a 6 foot twig. Not every diet works for everyone, and not every diet is feasible for everyone either.

Besides the genetic issue mentioned above, we really can't afford a gym membership (don't have the time or the money), but arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome (and something else I never remember) make it so she can't really anyway (being a telephone operator can cause a lot of problems, a few of her friend at work have similar problems), as one gets worse the more she uses her limbs and the other worsens the less she uses them (damned if ya do, damned if ya don't). But she was on disability for 8 months once cause he hands locked up at work, they wouldn't move at all so she had to go to the doctor (she had a brace on it for months afterward).

Though, in response to someone else, I don't think a nightly cookie is a problem (not that my fat parents eat a nightly cookier, or breakfast), and breakfast is important for helping kids learn, job performance etc.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']If healthy food cost more, a lot of people can't afford it. Besides, my mother eats twice a day (sometimes three, but the third is one of those drinks that replaces a meal), and usually small-normal amounts. She eats normal food basically, not real fattening stuff like cake and junk food (she doesn't eat land animals, just vegetables and fish) either. She's 5'2 and 240 pounds, but she eats less than most. She also walks the dog around the block 1-2 times a day as well.[/QUOTE]

When she walks 3-5 miles a day, every day, for a few months, cuts out almost all refined sugar from her diet, and starts the day with some low-impact tai-chi (I'm assuming she can afford the $20 DVD), then I may start to think about giving her a break on the new health insurance idea we're talking about.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']That's pretty much my whole family, even myself, if I ate 3 normal meals a day I'd be a blimp (as I used to and was fat). I eat twice, and usually around 1400-1800 calories a day (about 800-1100 in juice) and am about average for my size, with just a little stomach. One of my friends eats about 5 meals a day (often high fat/calorie too) and is a 6 foot twig. Not every diet works for everyone, and not every diet is feasible for everyone either.[/QUOTE]

One of my friends was born rich. Should I sit around and complain about how unfair it is, and how I will never be able to have the leg-up in society that they did?

[quote name='alonzomourning23']Besides the genetic issue mentioned above, we really can't afford a gym membership (don't have the time or the money), but arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome (and something else I never remember) make it so she can't really anyway (being a telephone operator can cause a lot of problems, a few of her friend at work have similar problems), as one gets worse the more she uses her limbs and the other worsens the less she uses them (damned if ya do, damned if ya don't). But she was on disability for 8 months once cause he hands locked up at work, they wouldn't move at all so she had to go to the doctor (she had a brace on it for months afterward).

Though, in response to someone else, I don't think a nightly cookie is a problem (not that my fat parents eat a nightly cookier, or breakfast), and breakfast is important for helping kids learn, job performance etc.[/QUOTE]

It's a sad story - can't she get some sort of headset/voice-activated phone deal?

Anyway - things like a nightly cookie ARE a problem when you're 5'2 and 240 pounds, although switching your breakfast and dinner foods may not be a bad idea...
 
[quote name='camoor']When she walks 3-5 miles a day, every day, for a few months, cuts out almost all refined sugar from her diet, and starts the day with some low-impact tai-chi (I'm assuming she can afford the $20 DVD), then I may start to think about giving her a break on the new health insurance idea we're talking about.[/quote]

She wouldn't be able to walk 3-5 miles a day, the problems she has with her joints would prevent it no matter how much better shape she was in (our block is about 45 houses), she often is in to much pain to do the second walk (I don't offer to do the night walk unless she asks, cause the walk is good for her health). Though you are also talking about involves people who have time, it would take at least 2 hours (assuming it was a more limited version, especially the walk), something many adults don't have. Some may have that luxury, but a lot don't. She normally doesn't rest until about 10:30 or so, usually until about 11:30 or 12 she watches tv then goes to bed and gets up at 6, gets ready does whatever needs to be done (there isn't 20 minutes to do tai chi) then goes to work.

Seriously, you don't know the first thing about weight, genetic predisposition, and the various other problems that can cause it or make certain exercises difficult or impossible. It's not a simple thing where you yell stop eating and that's the end of it, any doctor, psychologist etc. any professional who would deal with weight issues would tell you that. For example, my father was just on pregnazone as treatment for chronic gillian beret syndrome (a nerve problem that severely weakons your entire body and has the potential to immobilize you or leave you on a respiratory since your lungs are too weak), the doctor told him he would likely gain weight on it and he gained about 40 pounds over the 10 months he was taking it (and he had recently lost weight, he was done to about 220 from 250, he's 5'10). Weight is not a simply, cut and dry issue. There are many, many factors influencing it. Yes, some people it is their fault, but many people exist in various shades of grey.



One of my friends was born rich. Should I sit around and complain about how unfair it is, and how I will never be able to have the leg-up in society that they did?
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When people start telling you the only reason your poor is it's your fault you would counter it with relative information, that's what I did and that's what you do when people start blaming every poor person.



It's a sad story - can't she get some sort of headset/voice-activated phone deal?
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The problem is already there, it's not going away. Besides, you need to type (all day and fast) when you work for directory assistance.

Anyway - things like a nightly cookie ARE a problem when you're 5'2 and 240 pounds, although switching your breakfast and dinner foods may not be a bad idea...
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I said there's no nightly cookie, or anything comparable. I haven't seen a cake, cupcake or cookie in my house in years (with the exception of the single oatmeal fruit cookie I buy about once a month from wild oats). Hell the only ice cream like thing I ever have in my freezer is fat free frozen yogurt or sherbert, and usually it's for me.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']If you don't think being fat carries a social stigma, then you need to read the comments in this thread again. Do you know that the cheap and easy-to-prepare food is also the highest in fat and sugar? Do you have any idea how hard it is to lose weight? I would love to be able to lose all the weight I want. It's just not that easy. If it was, the diet industry wouldn't be so huge in America.[/QUOTE]

I have camoor on ignore, but I can get the gist of the stuff he posted from these replies. Any stupid fucker who thinks that being fat doesn't carry a social stigma should put on a fat suit for a day and see what happens. I see people being downright cruel to the larger folks among us all the time. Our society should learn to accept that someone else's body shape isn't really their business, we're all different, so shut the fuck up and mind your own business.


[quote name='MrBadExample']This has to be one of the most fucking retarded topics I have ever seen here.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Fat people are the last people that are acceptably mocked. We can't make fun of peoples' races any more, which means no more Black/Mexican/Polish jokes. Can't make fun of women any more either. So who's left? Fatties. And they're unfairly shouldering the brunt of insecure peoples' criticism.[/QUOTE]

Wish I could have put it that well.
 
I think I'm biased when it comes to this...not because I'm overweight (lol, gaining the freshman 15 actually shifted me from underweight to what is considered normal weight for my height) but because i know someone who used to be a bit chubby but because everyone kept making fun of her, she started dieting and eventually her diet turned into an eating disorder. I saw people who were really cruel to her, calling her fat, etc...that even after she lost weight by diet and exercise, she continue to overdo it because she continued to view herself as fat. You can say that it was because of her low self-esteem, but growing up with people calling you names for being overweight will probably mess up your self-esteem too.

Maybe instead of turning society against fat people, we should encourage fitness. We don't need to put anyone down; instead of accusing them of being fat like we accuse druggies, we should praise and encourage good health and make that the norm in our society. I dunno, just my two cents.
 
^^^ I have a cousin who has a severe eating disorder. Some people tend to be heavier, some lighter. Some are taller, some shorter. Some have wide hips, some narrow. Just shut the fuck up about it and stop attempting to shame people into eating disorders because they are considered "obese" according to a chart (that has been modified to add more and more people to that category over the years, I might add).
 
[quote name='vietgurl']Maybe instead of turning society against fat people, we should encourage fitness. We don't need to put anyone down; instead of accusing them of being fat like we accuse druggies, we should praise and encourage good health and make that the norm in our society. I dunno, just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

We tried that. Then we got ostricized that we weren't being sensitive to their needs. And fat people are druggies, atleast anyone that eats to be comforted. Eating releases endorphins which make you happy. So their eating to be happy is a very basic form of drug use because their using chemicals with the intent to alter their mood. On a side note, I find it hysterical when fat people eat to feel better about been called fat.

[quote name='elprincipe']^^^ I have a cousin who has a severe eating disorder. Some people tend to be heavier, some lighter. Some are taller, some shorter. Some have wide hips, some narrow. Just shut the fuck up about it and stop attempting to shame people into eating disorders because they are considered "obese" according to a chart (that has been modified to add more and more people to that category over the years, I might add).[/QUOTE]

Oh... so its the chart that makes peoples' asses 5 feet wide. Silly me, I thought it was the reserved booth at Old Country Buffet. I don't really give a damn about 20lbs. I don't find it attractive, but it's not bad. What I have a problem with is people that weigh 300+ If you are so fat you cant see your feet, you should be chained to a treadmill for a week. Theres no reason for your ass to ooze over TWO chairs.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']She wouldn't be able to walk 3-5 miles a day, the problems she has with her joints would prevent it no matter how much better shape she was in (our block is about 45 houses), she often is in to much pain to do the second walk (I don't offer to do the night walk unless she asks, cause the walk is good for her health).[/QUOTE]

Well, that, fatness, stupidity and all the other shit that makes up the rest of society is what makes me yearn for survival of the fittest. When animals kill each other thats the way the world works. When humans kill animals is 'doing nature a favor'. When humans or animals kill a human its a fucking travesty. How dare a dog bite you for yanking on its tail. The nerve of that bobcat that attacks someone when he was living on that persons mountain. :roll:

I think the reason there are no fat animals is because its not a good thing. Fat people make bigger targets and can't run as fast. Fatties get picked off. If being fat is a 'disease' then - in the animal kingdom- its not allowed to propagate.

Why do people feel the need to pass on their fault ridden genetic code? People that have diabetes and heart attacks and 8 kinds of cancer shouldn't have kids. I think the fact that they pass these traits on is more attrocious than anything I could say...

I'd say more, but I need to get ready for work.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I have camoor on ignore, but I can get the gist of the stuff he posted from these replies. Any stupid fucker who thinks that being fat doesn't carry a social stigma should put on a fat suit for a day and see what happens. I see people being downright cruel to the larger folks among us all the time. Our society should learn to accept that someone else's body shape isn't really their business, we're all different, so shut the fuck up and mind your own business.[/QUOTE]

You are making me pay for the weak-willed fatbodies of America through higher health insurance, so you better freaking believe it's my business. When you lower my health insurance costs so that I'm not paying for your lard ass, and then you get a job where I don't have to work with you, and you refrain from sitting next to me/jamming my body frame into the bus wall, then I'll stop commenting.

I saw something on the news where this nurse with no extenuating medical problems was so fat she couldn't do her job properly (kept jabbing people in the wrong place with needles, knocking down IV stands, etc) so the hospital let her go. Guess what - she sued and won.

I'm saying we need more ads about how to cut down on fat (maybe blast "Fat Dons" and "Burger King"), more activism (like people calmly discussing the ramifications of buying a dozen donuts a day), and more focus on exercise. Some of you pro-fat people talk like I want to put all these fatties on an island - cmon, let's be reasonable.
 
As a former/current fat person this is an issue I struggle with this daily. As a kid I grew up fat, I used to eat alot, I mean alot. I'd eat my breakfast then eat when my parents did as well. Well poor eating habits resulted in me being a fat adult.

Fat jokes, I've heard it all, and it was all unfair bullshit. I also used to get called $$$$$$, and spit at as well. Did it matter when they called me $$$$$$ or fat ass? Nah it was the same thing as far as I was concerned both were interchangable. Hate is hate just change the label.

Currently and for the past month or two I've been going to the gym everyday and work out for about 2-3 hours a day. I've changed my eating habits, and I look alot better for it. I'm alot healthier but it's still a work in progress.

You should actually try to understand what the person is going through before you just decide "yeah I hate them all" you have no idea what a struggle it is. But you do what you will just another drop in the bucket.

r1s3n
 
[quote name='Kayden']I think the reason there are no fat animals is because its not a good thing. Fat people make bigger targets and can't run as fast. Fatties get picked off.[/QUOTE]

Slightly OT, but that reminded me of this Denis Leary bit :lol:

That's what's wrong with this country. We always shoot the wrong guys. We shoot JFK, we shoot RFK, and it comes to Teddy, we go, "Ahh, leave him alone. He'll fuck it up himself, no problem. You know?" Biggest target in the whole God damn Kennedy family. He weighs about seven thousand pounds. You could shoot a bullet in Los Angeles and hit him in the ass in Boston five minutes later. He'd be standing on the lawn at the Kennedy compound going, "Ah Ah Ah Ah There's a bullet in my ass. Ah Ah ah ah
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[quote name='Kayden']Well, that, fatness, stupidity and all the other shit that makes up the rest of society is what makes me yearn for survival of the fittest. When animals kill each other thats the way the world works. When humans kill animals is 'doing nature a favor'. When humans or animals kill a human its a fucking travesty. How dare a dog bite you for yanking on its tail. The nerve of that bobcat that attacks someone when he was living on that persons mountain. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Uh, we have survival of the fittest there chum. But we're humans, and our "fittest" doesn't mean physical fitness.

If you're smart then you'll get ahead in the world. Wealth begets power, which begets women, which begets children. If you're smart, your genes will be passed on.

Of course, that's me looking at humanity in a positive light. If you want to look at people as animals (which is viable), you can look at the white-trash-trailer-families that have 12 kids a piece. Now, these kids aren't going to grow up to be anything beneficial to society, and half of them will be in jail, but their genes will be the most spread out. But as you should now, quality > quantity. Most of these trailer-kids will probably be skinny or have jail-muscles too (since you know, survival of the 'fittest' and all).

Another thought:

See, we as humans are the exception to the 'animal world'. Polar bears don't really differ from bear to bear, but we're different. People will differ from person to person, and the rich inventor will have many mental and physical differences from the criminal-burnout. It's the reason that we've built an actual 'society'. Our 'survival of the fittest' isn't on a person-by-person basis, but rather as a societal basis. America could be considdered the fittest society, and thus, we're prospering.

Look at the underdeveloped third world countries. They've got the highest populations (haha and they're all thin!), but in the grand scheme of things they're "dying out". As a society, they haven't adapted to the modern world, and are thus falling behind. That isn't to say that it's genetically built into the people (persons), because you have people with these roots doing just fine in our ('fit') society.

In conclusion:

In a fist fight, the jail-jacked criminal would be the crap out of the rich fat inventor. But in the real world the human-factor comes in, and the fat inventor invents a gun, and kills the muscle thug.

It's all about them brains.
 
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