Fat People

[quote name='camoor']You are making me pay for the weak-willed fatbodies of America through higher health insurance, so you better freaking believe it's my business. When you lower my health insurance costs so that I'm not paying for your lard ass, and then you get a job where I don't have to work with you, and you refrain from sitting next to me/jamming my body frame into the bus wall, then I'll stop commenting.[/QUOTE]
Weak-willed? How many thin/fit people do you know that walk 3-5 miles a day while dieting? As I've said before, all of the people I know (fat skinny or otherwise) all pretty much eat the same. The fatties aren't chugging donuts, and the skinnies aren't drinking bottled water and eating organic granola. Thin people aren't on the treadmill all day to maintain their figure either.

If anything, fat people have to be stronger-willed to deal with society's criticism, and people telling them to "try to be thin" when they already are dieting and excersizing.

"Hey Tim, can't you try to be straight? We shouldn't have to deal with your homosexuality, you aren't TRYING enough!"

"Hey Jemal, you can't stay out of the sun? You're a little too dark for our tastes, what the hell!"

It's in the GENES people! (most of the time)
 
For all the pop drinkers; I've lost 5 pounds just by switching to diet soda, which shows you just how pop I consume regularly. It's my subsititue for coffee, and 0 calories......the problem being the potential cancer and testicular shrinkage, but small potatos make the steak look bigger. I hope.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']America could be considdered the fittest society, and thus, we're prospering.
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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yea, thats why 2/3rds of the country is overweight, and we have one of the weakest public educational systems in the 'civilized' world. Either way- mentally or physically- this country is in shambles. There are kids in the 12th grade reading at a 5th grade level. People that can't do basic addition without a calculator. People that sue for spilling hot coffee on their own stupid ass. PEOPLE THAT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. Special drivers licenses for illegal aliens? MCFLY!?!?!?!

Yea, we're really the fuckin cream of the crop.
 
[quote name='Kayden']:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yea, thats why 2/3rds of the country is overweight, and we have one of the weakest public educational systems in the 'civilized' world. Either way- mentally or physically- this country is in shambles. There are kids in the 12th grade reading at a 5th grade level. People that can't do basic addition without a calculator. People that sue for spilling hot coffee on their own stupid ass. PEOPLE THAT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. Special drivers licenses for illegal aliens? MCFLY!?!?!?!

Yea, we're really the fuckin cream of the crop.[/QUOTE]
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You missed the entire point of my post, explaining how if you look at survival of the "fittest" in a human society, the definition of "fit" changes.

Ironic reply there chump.


EDIT: Btw, you just provided examples of the lower end of our society. I referenced that many times. We have upper crust, and lower crust. Our society is made up of the combined whole of our people, with more weight given to the influential people (read: upper crust). Don't base your assumptions on the lowest we have to offer.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']People don't seem to realise that a can of soda has 200 calories, and a bottle of soda is 2.5 cans...[/QUOTE]

Someone should tell them thats 1/4 of their recommended caloric intake for a day. :roll:


As for people that say we should let fat people be fat because they know a fat person and they're nice... Think about it this way. Do you want them dying of diabetes, heart attack, heart failure, breaking a step and failing, or any other number of things that could hard a person that weighs twice what they should?

If you really loved them would you want them to die from their own flubberassness? I've been friends with fat people. They are nice, but they are nice, but pose a serious threat to their health and any children they may have.

As far as walking a mile in their shoes... I was 220 when I was 13 and 5'4". I know what its like to be singled out and hated because I'm fat. Its not fun. Thats why I'm not saying "Hey Fatty McFatterson, YOU'RE FAT! HAHAHAHA!". I'm saying people should take care of themselves. I'm not cracking jokes to make myself feel better. I'm saying people should stop eating so damned much and exercise.
 
I thought you post was refering to the country as a whole. How is 2/3rds the 'lower end'? Are you implying that its ok for the majority of our country to be fat and stupid as long as the elite are in good order?



[quote name='evilmax17']:applause:

You missed the entire point of my post, explaining how if you look at survival of the "fittest" in a human society, the definition of "fit" changes.

Ironically reply there chump.

EDIT: Btw, you just provided examples of the lower end of our society. I referenced that many times. We have upper crust, and lower crust. Our society is made up of the combined whole of our people, with more weight given to the influential people (read: upper crust). Don't base your assumptions on the lowest we have to offer.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Kayden']I thought you post was refering to the country as a whole. How is 2/3rds the 'lower end'? Are you implying that its ok for the majority of our country to be fat and stupid as long as the elite are in good order?[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that weight has nothing to do with anything. Perhaps I misread your quote (although my guess is that you're missing the point of mine), but I thought you said/meant that you wanted to go back to a time of "survival of the fittest", where the most physically fit would take down the fat people, and the musclebound would reign supreme.

And as I explained above, there's a reason why it isn't that way.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']See, we as humans are the exception to the 'animal world'. Polar bears don't really differ from bear to bear, but we're different. People will differ from person to person, and the rich inventor will have many mental and physical differences from the criminal-burnout.[/quote]

Have you ever owned a pet? Animals differ from one to another just as much as people. Don't assume just because they don't speak that they aren't capable of having personalities.

[quote name='evilmax17']
Look at the underdeveloped third world countries. They've got the highest populations (haha and they're all thin!), but in the grand scheme of things they're "dying out". As a society, they haven't adapted to the modern world, and are thus falling behind. That isn't to say that it's genetically built into the people (persons), because you have people with these roots doing just fine in our ('fit') society.
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These people are dying out because we're crushing them out. We're demanding they come to our level when they obviously aren't ready. They're also starving themselves through over population and underproduction. That is survival of the fittest. They aren't smart enough to not hump like bunnies when they're starving already. It's not really thier fault we dragged them into the 20th century where they can't survive. You also have to take into account that they live in a desert. It's not meant for a lot of people. Instead of the healthiest living using their traditional methods, they are all suffering because we came in and are trying to keep them all alive. Thats horrible worded... uh... Two people can live the same amount of supplies for half as long. Instead of giving fewer of them a better quality of life, we insist that they all survive and have an over all lower quality of life. .... I think i've gone off my rocker here...

[quote name='evilmax17']
In a fist fight, the jail-jacked criminal would be the crap out of the rich fat inventor. But in the real world the human-factor comes in, and the fat inventor invents a gun, and kills the muscle thug.

It's all about them brains.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say survival of the fittest was limited to pure physical traits. Intelligence is important, but so is physical developement. Sure, your inventor can shoot the thug, but then he'll die of a heart attack caused by cheeseburgers and fueled by the anxiety of the life or death encounter.
 
You just assumed I meant physically fit. I want stupid people to die too. :lol:
I was focusing on the weight aspect because I was trying to stay on topic ( :shock: ) but I do agree that mental developement is just as important as physical health. I think its a shame to pass physical or mental deficits on. People with down syndrom dont reproduce and I don't think people chronic health disorders should either. However, in our society its 'wrong' to deny people their 'right' to have children. I really think procreation should be regulated. You need at least an IQ of 110 and to be atleast 90% of you ideal health/weight.



[quote name='evilmax17']I'm saying that weight has nothing to do with anything. Perhaps I misread your quote (although my guess is that you're missing the point of mine), but I thought you said/meant that you wanted to go back to a time of "survival of the fittest", where the most physically fit would take down the fat people, and the musclebound would reign supreme.

And as I explained above, there's a reason why it isn't that way.[/QUOTE]
 
Reality's Fringe said:
For all the pop drinkers; I've lost 5 pounds just by switching to diet soda, which shows you just how pop I consume regularly. It's my subsititue for coffee, and 0 calories......the problem being the potential cancer and testicular shrinkage, but small potatos make the steak look bigger. I hope.
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Soda makes me sick, I have a sensitive stomach. Hell, I can only had about 1 coffee a day for a few days before getting sick. I usually drink apple juice throughout the day and a coffee every other day or so, though my father drinks a coffee in the morning and some more at work, and the rest of the day is either water or diet pepsi. My mother drinks diet soda (lately pepsi one), and tea throughout the day mostly.

Kayden, you do realize that a large amount of these problems don't surface until after children, ya can't exactly go killing the offspring.
 
[quote name='Kayden']You just assumed I meant physically fit. I want stupid people to die too. :lol:
I was focusing on the weight aspect because I was trying to stay on topic ( :shock: ) but I do agree that mental developement is just as important as physical health. I think its a shame to pass physical or mental deficits on. People with down syndrom dont reproduce and I don't think people chronic health disorders should either. However, in our society its 'wrong' to deny people their 'right' to have children. I really think procreation should be regulated. You need at least an IQ of 110 and to be atleast 90% of you ideal health/weight.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on reproduction regulation, but I think you overvalue physical health and undervalue mental health.

For example:

A physically fit grecian god of a man who's dumb as a board doesn't do much good for society. Sure, he's better to look at than Lardo McTubTub, but who cares about that? He'll also live longer, but if he's not contributing, then who cares (in the grand scheme of things)?

Professor Fatty invents the flying car, thereby bettering our entire society. Sure, he's fat, and sure, he'll die a few years after he invents the car. Sucks for him and his family, but he's contributed to society and helped us.

Who would I rather have kids? The Professor. His kids might also be fat, but if they can invent the Teleportation Tube, then I won't mind if they kick of early too.

Of course I'm talking in hypothetical extremes, but you can get what I'm saying.

Now there's the fat dullards that are stereotypically represented in Alabama. I dunno what to do with them.
 
I see exactly what you're saying. I do hold mental well being about physical well being. I don't want people to have bodies sculpted from marble. I'm just saying don't be five foot even and pushin 3 bills. As far as the smart professor, maybe he should invent a treadmill too. :lol:

I'd rather have fat people live as apposed to stupid people. Being fat doesn't (usually) hurt anyone else, but being stupid can kill thousands. *cough*bushy*cough*

I don't want people to be the epitome of physical fitness nor the smartest people in the universe. I just want people to not get stuck in door ways and to understand how to OPEN the door. (sidenote- have you ever seen someone stand there tugging on a door for 3 minutes when theres a sign that says "push"? :wall: )


[quote name='evilmax17']I agree with you on reproduction regulation, but I think you overvalue physical health and undervalue mental health.

For example:

A physically fit grecian god of a man who's dumb as a board doesn't do much good for society. Sure, he's better to look at than Lardo McTubTub, but who cares about that? He'll also live longer, but if he's not contributing, then who cares (in the grand scheme of things)?

Professor Fatty invents the flying car, thereby bettering our entire society. Sure, he's fat, and sure, he'll die a few years after he invents the car. Sucks for him and his family, but he's contributed to society and helped us.

Who would I rather have kids? The Professor. His kids might also be fat, but if they can invent the Teleportation Tube, then I won't mind if they kick of early too.

Of course I'm talking in hypothetical extremes, but you can get what I'm saying.

Now there's the fat dullards that are stereotypically represented in Alabama. I dunno what to do with them.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='evilmax17']
It's in the GENES people! (most of the time)[/QUOTE]

Did you read my earlier reply at all? Do you have any facts to support this statement? I really think it usually ISN'T the genes - it's bad eating and exercise habits. Saying "Oh I'm just born that way I can't do anything about it" is just a poor excuse to be unhealthy. Yes, it comes easier for some than others, but 95% or so of all people can achieve normality.
 
[quote name='Backlash']Did you read my earlier reply at all? Do you have any facts to support this statement? I really think it usually ISN'T the genes - it's bad eating and exercise habits. Saying "Oh I'm just born that way I can't do anything about it" is just a poor excuse to be unhealthy. Yes, it comes easier for some than others, but 95% or so of all people can achieve normality.[/QUOTE]
I saw your post, and I'm just speaking from experience. Every fat person that I've ever known has been on a perpetual diet and excersize program, and most of the "in-shape" people I know have been known to eat whole pizzas by themselves, and play a game of basketball maybe once every 2 weeks. I've seen pictures of these people as kids, and the fat adults were fat as children, and the thin adults were thin as children.

And as I said before, what do you say to the fat kids? "Stop eating so much"? I guarentee that in most cases you'll find that the fat kids are eating just the same as the thin kids, and that it really boils down to a difference in the natural genetic metabolism (I do realize that there are cases of people just eating rediculous amounts of bad food, but this is the exception and not the rule).

Poll around people you know, thin people and fat people. Look at them when they were 10. Ask them what they do for excersize, and what they usually eat.

As a general rule of thumb, you just are the way you are without much you can do about it. Why do supermodels and sex symbols look the way they do? Do you think they do anything special to look pretty? No, they just look that way naturally, they got a good hand dealt to them. You can't teach somebody to look beautiful, and you can't teach a genetically fat person to be thin.

That's not to say that eating healthy and excersizing wouldn't be a bad idea, but it usually doesn't make much of a visual difference.
 
The fat people who are fat essentially due to their own doing tend to lose the weight, assuming they have enough willpower, when a serious attempt is made. But there are many people where that isn't the case.

The others will have a much, much more difficult time. And often the most feasible solution requires more time and money than many people have (and unlike camoor, most people realize that taking 2 or 3 hours out of the day is impossible for many people).
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The fat people who are fat essentially due to their own doing tend to lose the weight, assuming they have enough willpower, when a serious attempt is made. But there are many people where that isn't the case.

The others will have a much, much more difficult time. And often the most feasible solution requires more time and money than many people have (and unlike camoor, most people realize that taking 2 or 3 hours out of the day is impossible for many people).[/QUOTE]

Gee, it's funny how fat people always have enough time to go to the supermarket, KFC, or for their favorite TV show, but when it comes to a good exercise program suddenly the day is full up.

I'm not supporting eugenics here, I'm just saying that there is something that is making Americans think that being fat is OK, and we need to pull 2/3 of our population back from this destructive way of thinking.

Fat acceptance groups are the worst - only in America, people.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']And as I said before, what do you say to the fat kids? "Stop eating so much"? I guarentee that in most cases you'll find that the fat kids are eating just the same as the thin kids, and that it really boils down to a difference in the natural genetic metabolism (I do realize that there are cases of people just eating rediculous amounts of bad food, but this is the exception and not the rule).
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Thanks for the reply. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. But I'd still like to make these points :) :

1. Yeah kids tend to eat the same stuff. However, some kids can eat McDonalds and have no problem. Others get fat off of McDonalds. Well, then the latter group shouldn't eat McDonalds. I wouldn't drink milk if I was lactose intolerant.

2. Fat kids -> fat adults b/c they have the same lifestyle and eating habits that caused them to be fat kids in the first place. Same for skinny people. I'm not saying everyone needs to be skinny, but obesity is a real problem in this country (and in other parts of the world) and people need to be healthier (this isn't aobut appearance).

3. 90% of the fat people I know who "diet" a) are on some stupid fad diet instead of just eating healthier in general and/or b) aren't strict about it at all and cheat a ton. If you eat correctly you can lose weight - period.
 
Please explain this to me....

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[quote name='camoor']Gee, it's funny how fat people always have enough time to go to the supermarket, KFC, or for their favorite TV show, but when it comes to a good exercise program suddenly the day is full up.

I'm not supporting eugenics here, I'm just saying that there is something that is making Americans think that being fat is OK, and we need to pull 2/3 of our population back from this destructive way of thinking.

Fat acceptance groups are the worst - only in America, people.[/QUOTE]

Funny, out of those things my mother only has time for the supermarket, sometimes (about once a week). Normally I do my own shopping. Besides, the fact that you assume all fat people go to places like kfc shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Being fat is hardly acceptable, that's one of the main reasons there's such a high rate of eating disorders in women (it's small but growing for men)

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/eatingdisorders/a/edstats.htm
  • 0.5%-3.7% of females suffer from Anorexia Nervosa in their lifetime. (NIMH, 2000)
  • 1.1%-4.2% of females suffer from Bulimia Nervosa in their lifetime. (NIMH, 2000)
  • 2%-5% of the American population experience Binge Eating Disorder. (NIMH, 2000)
  • 10%-25% of all those battling anorexia will die as a direct result of the eating disorder. (ANAD)
  • Up to 19% of college aged women in America are bulimic. (Rader Programs)
  • Age Eating Disorder Statistics
    • 10% report onset at 10 years or younger (ANAD)
    • 33% report onset between ages of 11-15 (ANAD)
    • 43% report onset between ages of 16-20 (ANAD)
    • 86% report onset of illness by the age of 20 (ANAD)
    College Eating Disorder Statistics:
    • 19% or more of college aged women in America are bulimic. (Rader Programs)
    • As many as 10% of college women suffer from a clinical or nearly clinical eating disorder, including 5.1% who suffer from bulimia nervosa.
    • 25% of college-aged women binge purge to manage their weight.
    • 91% of women surveyed on a college campus had at one point dieted to control their weight. 22% of them were dieting often or always. (Kurth et al., 1995)
    • Studies indicate that by their first year of college, 4.5 to 18% of women and 0.4% of men have a history of bulimia and that as many as 1% of females between the ages of 12 and 18 have anorexia. (The National Center for Health Statistics)
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These eating disorders, while not nonexistant, where extremely rare before modern, image obsessed, times.If we started publicly humiliating fat people (encouraging it), then those above rates would sky rocket, and you still would have a lot of fat people. The only people who would benefit are psychologists and doctors who treat the physical and mental problems that would result.
 
A lot of the fat people I know are fat because they eat a lot. I had a friend in college that went out to eat every day.
 
If you wanna push the survival of the fittest genetics thing a bit more, people who have heart disease, cancer, are or were alcoholics, or have a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to have kids. And while we're at it, people with eating disorders are obviously weak-willed so while we're weeding out the fat people, we're also taking out people with weak minds...although I'm not too sure genetics play an instrumental role in that.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']If you wanna push the survival of the fittest genetics thing a bit more, people who have heart disease, cancer, are or were alcoholics, or have a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to have kids. And while we're at it, people with eating disorders are obviously weak-willed so while we're weeding out the fat people, we're also taking out people with weak minds...although I'm not too sure genetics play an instrumental role in that.[/QUOTE]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I like you're enthusiasm.... or would it be euthanism?
 
[quote name='vietgurl']If you wanna push the survival of the fittest genetics thing a bit more, people who have heart disease, cancer, are or were alcoholics, or have a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to have kids. And while we're at it, people with eating disorders are obviously weak-willed so while we're weeding out the fat people, we're also taking out people with weak minds...although I'm not too sure genetics play an instrumental role in that.[/QUOTE]

Now you're talking. :cool:
 
[quote name='Backlash']What about the people who get cancer from outside sources, like eating Sweet and Low? ;)[/QUOTE]

If we kill them then that god aweful peddler of powdered parrot poop will go out of business.

I hate sweet and low, sacrin and all that other "it tastes just like sugar" sugar. It only tastes like sugar after you let it ferment in a homeless guy's ass.

It also gives me headaches.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']If you wanna push the survival of the fittest genetics thing a bit more, people who have heart disease, cancer, are or were alcoholics, or have a mental illness shouldn't be allowed to have kids. And while we're at it, people with eating disorders are obviously weak-willed so while we're weeding out the fat people, we're also taking out people with weak minds...although I'm not too sure genetics play an instrumental role in that.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that's a level-headed arguement.

I don't want to pay for the additional health-care costs that fat people introduce, and disgusted by people who look like blobs with no necks, so I must be pro-eugenics.

There's a difference between letting capitalism work, and having an authoritarian government decide who gets to breed.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Someone should tell them thats 1/4 of their recommended caloric intake for a day. :roll:


As for people that say we should let fat people be fat because they know a fat person and they're nice... Think about it this way. Do you want them dying of diabetes, heart attack, heart failure, breaking a step and failing, or any other number of things that could hard a person that weighs twice what they should?

If you really loved them would you want them to die from their own flubberassness? I've been friends with fat people. They are nice, but they are nice, but pose a serious threat to their health and any children they may have.

As far as walking a mile in their shoes... I was 220 when I was 13 and 5'4". I know what its like to be singled out and hated because I'm fat. Its not fun. Thats why I'm not saying "Hey Fatty McFatterson, YOU'RE FAT! HAHAHAHA!". I'm saying people should take care of themselves. I'm not cracking jokes to make myself feel better. I'm saying people should stop eating so damned much and exercise.[/QUOTE]

You're really ignorant if you think that people would magically drop to the "acceptable" weight if they just "stopped eating so much and exercised." People have different genes and they react in different ways to things. I know people who eat very little but gain weight very easily. I know people, like my little brother, who can eat and eat and eat and eat and not gain any weight at all, all while not exercising either. The bottom line is live and let live. Even if someone wanted to be fat, which God knows most people don't because of the social stigma in this country, it's none of your fucking business.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Someone should tell them thats 1/4 of their recommended caloric intake for a day. :roll:


As for people that say we should let fat people be fat because they know a fat person and they're nice... Think about it this way. Do you want them dying of diabetes, heart attack, heart failure, breaking a step and failing, or any other number of things that could hard a person that weighs twice what they should?

If you really loved them would you want them to die from their own flubberassness? I've been friends with fat people. They are nice, but they are nice, but pose a serious threat to their health and any children they may have.

As far as walking a mile in their shoes... I was 220 when I was 13 and 5'4". I know what its like to be singled out and hated because I'm fat. Its not fun. Thats why I'm not saying "Hey Fatty McFatterson, YOU'RE FAT! HAHAHAHA!". I'm saying people should take care of themselves. I'm not cracking jokes to make myself feel better. I'm saying people should stop eating so damned much and exercise.[/QUOTE]

You're really ignorant if you think that people would magically drop to the "acceptable" weight if they just "stopped eating so much and exercised." People have different genes and they react in different ways to things. I know people who eat very little but gain weight very easily. I know people, like my little brother, who can eat and eat and eat and eat and not gain any weight at all, all while not exercising either. The bottom line is live and let live. Even if someone wanted to be fat, which God knows most people don't because of the social stigma in this country, it's none of your fucking business.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']The bottom line is live and let live. Even if someone wanted to be fat, which God knows most people don't because of the social stigma in this country, it's none of your fucking business.[/QUOTE]

If you're saying it's none of our business you've obviously never sat next to a fatty in coach on an airplane.
 
[quote name='evilmregg']If you're saying it's none of our business you've obviously never sat next to a fatty in coach on an airplane.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='evilmregg']If you're saying it's none of our business you've obviously never sat next to a fatty in coach on an airplane.[/QUOTE]

LOL - on the train today, a fat dude sat down next to me, jammed me into the window, and I could feel his sweat pouring through his pant leg.

I applaud the universe for it's wonderful sense of humor.
 
[quote name='camoor']LOL - on the train today, a fat dude sat down next to me, jammed me into the window, and I could feel his sweat pouring through his pant leg.

I applaud the universe for it's wonderful sense of humor.[/QUOTE]

That's the never-gentle bitch-slap of Karma. :D
 
There are just many things that decide if a person is fat:

Genetics
Thyroid Problem - Metabolism
Eating too much

And if you're over-weight, you have to figure out which one of those people you are.

I've seen examples of each one of these cases; but in truth, most problems are about eating too much.

For example I saw one family who has a fat son that's about 20 years old or so. He eats a lot of food, so I really doubt it's genetics. But then the dudes brother, who's about 14, is now overweight too. It's almost as the 20yr old is telling his brother (not verbally), "It's okay to be fat... I'm fat.. I don't mind." And then it just rolls down hill from there... fat dude get's married, has children, children then grow up fat.

And if you're a fat parent, most likely you're giving your children too much food aswell, because you really dont care if they are fat or not. You have the whole mindset, "Well, if Johnny wants to go to Mcdonalds then he should... why should I deny him Mcdonalds when I can eat there [at Mcdonalds] all the time?"

Also, there are so many people who have a diet and don't stick to it because they fall into the temptations. And a lot of people don't understand that you need diet *and* excercise to lose weight...

You can also look at third world countries who don't have any food, and obviously they're skinny. I doubt little Joey who eats 3 pieces of bread a day is 220 pounds...

Then you start thinking to yourself... "how did all these people get so fat?"

I think it's the media and you just look at all the TV ads for Mcdonals, Burger King, KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Dominoes, Boston Market... also commercials for ice cream and Lays potato chips. You have all these commercials being pounded on you and you don't even realize it...

And I'm probably one of the only few people who believes certain companies add stuff in their food to make it addictive... and that the FDC and food inspectors know about these things but don't care. Why? Because everyone wins.

Let's just say Lays has something in their chips to make them more addictive. The FDC (or whatever finds out). So, Lays Corp gives the FDC one million dollars to keep quiet. Pepsi gives one million to keep quiet, and so do other companies; because they will eventually all make more money. More chips will be bought therefor more soda will be bought, therefor people get fat and eat more food overall. Then weight loss companies and gyms gain more money because they have more people comming in to make income. It's all interconnected. We just don't know it--think about it.

Anyway, what I think we should do is educate our kids at a young age at school to eat healthy, and to teach parents to tell them to eat healthy as well. And maybe to not have those rewards like, "Hey Johnny, if you go clean you're room we'll go to Mcdonalds!!!" That's about it...
 
umm....... that's what my parents did, and I was still fat until a few years ago. I hate fried food, or being able to taste grease or butter on food. I eat 2 meals a day, and they're small meals, and I'm just about average.

There are many causes to weight, but each cause is to high a percentage to make blanket, idiotic statements like camoor is making.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']umm....... that's what my parents did, and I was still fat until a few years ago. I hate fried food, or being able to taste grease or butter on food. I eat 2 meals a day, and they're small meals, and I'm just about average.

There are many causes to weight, but each cause is to high a percentage to make blanket, idiotic statements like camoor is making.[/QUOTE]


So are you overwieght now or have you lost the pounds?
 
This, like every other 'discusion' here is pointless. All that really gets done is arguing until people lose interest. I'm out.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']And I'm probably one of the only few people who believes certain companies add stuff in their food to make it addictive... and that the FDC and food inspectors know about these things but don't care. Why? Because everyone wins.

Let's just say Lays has something in their chips to make them more addictive. The FDC (or whatever finds out). So, Lays Corp gives the FDC one million dollars to keep quiet. Pepsi gives one million to keep quiet, and so do other companies; because they will eventually all make more money. More chips will be bought therefor more soda will be bought, therefor people get fat and eat more food overall. Then weight loss companies and gyms gain more money because they have more people comming in to make income. It's all interconnected. We just don't know it--think about it.[/QUOTE]

I have no doubt that companies work to make their food addictive (IE a McDonalds coke jacks your apetite, then the BigMac goes down, instantly gratifying your sudden hunger with their who-knows-what fatburger), but I don't think it's an FDA conspiracy.

Never underestimate the laziness/sloppiness of a government agency.
 
[quote name='Kayden']This, like every other 'discusion' here is pointless. All that really gets done is arguing until people lose interest. I'm out.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. It's sad when you can't even get one American fatty to admit that they are fat because of the extra hohos that they sneak when they think noones looking. Statistically speaking, at least ONE of the fat whiners on this board is lying about how he became so corpulent.

Oooh it's genetics. Oooh I don't have time to get off the couch and run my ass a few miles up the road. Ooooh my best friend Johnny eats like a pig and he's skinny, no fair, no fair.

Geez, when did America become such a nation of whiners.

It's called tough love. We need ALOT more of it.
 
[quote name='dmpolska']So are you overwieght now or have you lost the pounds?[/QUOTE]

I lost weight by essentially eating 2 small meals a day (ate nothing over 2% daily fat), the only snack I ate was rice cakes, and total calorie count probably came in at about 12-1500. I did that for about 3 or 4 months, but I also had to ride my bike about an hour to work everyday (I was about 15 at the time). It wasn't a healthy diet, and most people couldn't do that (The fact I don't eat most meat, outside of a few fish, helped since I simply modified what I normally ate, I could essentially eat all the food I normally would still). Doing that for 3-4 months I lost about 25 pounds. I'd bet you that you couldn't stick to a diet like that for that long. That's the problem with most diets, they're too restrictive, don't have long term goals, and people get discouraged if they screw up instead of just viewing that mess up as a speed bump.

There was a period a few months ago where I gained about 5 pounds in a month, I figured out my calorie intake was about 2000-2200 a day for that period (about 1000-1300 from juice the rest from food). A college student shouldn't gain weight that fast.

I eat tons of pasta (with tomato sauce), but very few things with high fat content (so lots of carbs though). I don't eat land meat and only occasionally eat fish, and don't like most vegetables that much. I'm lucky that I don't have the taste for much of the high fat/high calorie food, snacks, candy etc. Essentially, I've been on a long term diet just to keep the weight down for years, a lesser version of the one I died when I was 15. My mother taught good eating habits (knowing that almost my whole family gains weight easily).

Also, one of the main ways I can keep the weight down is I know how to cook a lot of things. When I was at college, if I had just had a mealplan and didn't cook 95% of my meals there was no way I was gonna be able to control my weight, the food just wasn't available to do it. And when I buy food now, I buy most of it from wild oats and whole foods and pay probably twice the amount that I could pay if I didn't always buy healthier, low fat stuff. Many families couldn't afford to do that (I pay for it, my family couldn't really afford it either).

Though, for the record, I hate hoho's, twinkies, ding dongs, and any other ridiculous name snacks are called. They're disgusting.
 
Fall 2001: I weighed 185 pounds (same as now). About 9 months of all-you-can-eat and I was up to 210. Of course I wasn't happy with this, so I went back to (basically) my normal diet but pretty much stopped with the soft drinks. I ended up at 175 for the next fall, and eventually returned to my normal weight after I started letting some things back into my diet.
 
1000-1300 calories from juice! Look at the label for orange juice or apple juice sometime - it's got a ton of sugar. Anyone drinking that much juice should gain weight.
 
[quote name='Backlash']1000-1300 calories from juice! Look at the label for orange juice or apple juice sometime - it's got a ton of sugar. Anyone drinking that much juice should gain weight.[/QUOTE]

Considering that I don't drink anything else really (sometimes a coffee or green tea), and my overal calories are below the recommended level. I drink so much apple juice because I have a sensitive stomach. I hate water, but too much of it makes my stomach cramp. I get an upset stomach with carbonated drinks, more than a cup of coffee, tea, and I also often have problem with too much cranberry or organge juice. Apple juice not only doesn't cause problems, it also seems to reverse problems caused by drinking other things. Also, I drank more juice after I lost weight than before. My calorie intake overal has never been high, easily below the rest of my thinner friends.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Considering that I don't drink anything else really (sometimes a coffee or green tea), and my overal calories are below the recommended level. I drink so much apple juice because I have a sensitive stomach. I hate water, but too much of it makes my stomach cramp. I get an upset stomach with carbonated drinks, more than a cup of coffee, tea, and I also often have problem with too much cranberry or organge juice. Apple juice not only doesn't cause problems, it also seems to reverse problems caused by drinking other things. Also, I drank more juice after I lost weight than before. My calorie intake overal has never been high, easily below the rest of my thinner friends.[/QUOTE]

Weak stomach? Try the pepto dismal (as seen in Scorsese's "Cape Fear")

Pepto Dismal
One shot of the Pink Stuff
One shot of Jim Beam

That'll cure what ails ye.
 
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